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What is the duty of conservatives who supported Non-Romney

This post is Not addressed to Rombots —you can continue to keep you head in the sand.  Newt should continue to stay in the race & people should support him to keep Romney honest & slow down his run to the left! 

For the rest of us, we need to stand together & make our voices heard!

First of all, those of us who were in the Non-Romney camp should not back away from conservative principles because  Romney is Not a conservative.  There will be attempts by RINOs & republican establishment types, conservative media types to redfine conservative principles so that Romney is palatable to the conservatives & tea partyers….I already see post describing that he is “conservative enough” & followed by most likely how Regan was a moderate in many ways like Romney, etc…. remember 2008, it will be worse.     We should make sure that voices are heard -here & radio talk shows & letter to the editor etc.  One thing to compare Obama to Romney & another thing to say Romney is conservative!

As EE says, President Both Ways about Obama, Romney will be “Nominee Any way that day.  All the Non-Romney supporters should stay strong & make sure we hold this Etch a Sketch feet to the fire.  For example, if starts immigration reform support or say dream act, the Perry & Newt supporters should start calling all the talk show hosts (who will try cover it up!  they are first republicans & then conservatives!) & remind everyone what Romney said in the primaries & how he attacked Perry & Newt for their positions!   We should do the same for other issues where Romney took a conservative position in primary & would try to weasel his way to a liberal position. 

The most important thing for RS posters who supported Non-Romney including people like EE is that ” to make sure our support of the Republican nominee (Romney) is conditional upon his sticking to his positions that he promised in the primaries” & otherwise, there will no difference between Obama & Romney by the time November comes along!

Everyone around us will keep repeating   “it is Obama on the other side & we all know the damage he can wreck on this country & so we have to elect Romney!”  We will be asked to cut him some slack , give him some room to attract the moderates, people will say that that goal is more important the means or he will move back to the right after the elections etc. etc.  – as he keep going back on one issue after another.  From Rush, Hannity, & others, there will be chorus – whatever position he takes, it is OK, he is still better than Obama.  We have to stand up & say it is NOT OK!  If Romney camp figures that conservatives are a sap & take them for granted, there will Not be a difference in the positions of the two candidates, it will be Obama vs. Obama Lite!

If we keep on compromising on our principles because one more boogeyman routine, we have ourselves to blame for the past, current (most likely future) wasted opportunities.  What is the point of being a Obama Lite – the independents would rather vote for the real deal….it is our duty to keep our candidate honest by making sure we are not taken for granted by the Romney camp!

 

 

COMMENTS

  • samcoastie

    See texastaxpayer for an excellent example. Express your support for Romney in terms you really believe, no matter how limited in scope that support might be.

    If Romney continues his current rhetoric and then lives up to it in office will you care if he doesn’t really believe it at his core?

    • xymbaline

      Why should he? He’s going to tack to the left, you’ll vote for him and he’ll be the biggest Republican loser of my lifetime.

      • natek58

        It’s a FACT: When a person takes both sides of an issue, no matter what he does, he has gone back on his word.

        I would hope that if elected, Romney will go back on the promises he now makes and comes back to everything he said during the Republican primaries. Anyone think that is what is likely to happen?

        When we consider the long run, I think this (nominating Romney) is the absolute worst mistake the Republican Party has ever made. Win or Lose, we can’t win.

        • Kyle-MI

          Yes, he has changed his position, but that is not the same thing. Right now, he is running as a conservative, taking conservative stands on the issues. Why is everyone so quick to criticize him for something he hasn’t even done in this campaign?

          If he does flip, then (and only then) hit him with both barrels. I don’t think he will because he won’t win if he does. I have never believed the garbage about tacking to the center. It may work for the Dems, but the GOP does not get that kind of cover from the media.

          • Scope

            The main problem with Candidate Both Ways flipping now isn’t the main worry, it is the flopping he may do after he has already won the election. At that point there is no denying him the election, and at that point we are really screwed. Just as with Obama, we don’t get a do over because we already bought the damaged goods, the store closed down, and we can’t return the product for a refund or exchange.

          • APA Guy

            We preemptively give the enemy a victory because we THINK our guy will govern in a less-than-honest manner?

            That doesn’t pass the reason test on any level, Scope. It’s defeatist, to say the least. At least with Romney we have a chance. With Obama, there is NO chance.

          • natek58

            Between a rock and a hard place. The supporters of Romney/ObamaCare couldn’t be more gleefull. Their going to get to keep RomneyCare no matter which one of those bozos gets elected.

            This is just plain stupid (Romney as our nominee).

          • natek58

            Exactly, exactly, exactly!!

          • forgiven

            I am so afraid for our country with either of them at the helm. Romney is such a compromiser that he will be talked into anything and Obama simply is brainwashed by his past associations to truly not like our country. What a mess!

          • natek58

            When someone takes position A on one day and then a month or even a year later takes position B (the opposite of A) he has, by the definition of the word “has”, taken both positions on an issue.

            “Right now, he is running as a conservative, taking conservative stands on the issues.”

            So will he be a conservative if elected? Who knows? No-one does – not even Mitt Romney. His position is whatever the current wind says it should be. That’s NOT a true conservative. That’s someone that wants us to think he is a conservative – there is a vast difference.

  • APA Guy

    Of course, you may opt to be a narcissist and make this election all about YOU, but that’s between you and your conscience.

    • Scope

      Inflict guilt on those that don’t agree with you, make them into narcissist selfish creeps, tell them how unpatriotic they are if they don’t get on this train, and right now. Yes, we know, it worked very well with the liberals inflicting white guilt and racism on voters if they didn’t vote for the historic first black president.

      Hint hint! Let people come to terms in their own way, and in their own time. These guilt attacks insure that that process will take a whole lot longer, if it happens at all. Hush.

      • APA Guy

        STFU. Asking someone to consider the future of the country instead of staying home and pouting is hardly a “liberal” tactic. In fact, I would say the opposite is true. If you don’t believe me, just take a count of how many liberals STILL refuse to support Obama because he jettisoned the public option and single-payer. They were calling for a primary of a sitting president because they didn’t get exactly what they wanted, when thy wanted it.

        The diarist ASKED THE QUESTION, I chose to answer. That’s the nature of a blog.

        BTW, calling me a “liberal” or trying t tell me to “hush” (Are you serious with that BS? May as well take that free t-shirt and head home if so…) because you feel threatened by a challenge to put country ahead of pride.

        • APA Guy

          Calling me a

          • Scope

            So I’m to just SFU? OK, I’ll just sit back and watch you drive bigger and deeper wedges with those that are not there yet. Keep up the good work there big guy. Who’s the narcissist?

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            ummm that would be you and garfield.

          • Scope

            You’ve posted things that have made my hair stand up on the back of my neck, and I’m sure that was your feeling as well with some of my posts. We’ve managed to keep the peace between us, or at least to stay away from each other. Can’t you let anything alone? Do you think your opinions are so valid and warranted that you just have to interject your voice?

            You were not on Romney’s page either for a very long time, actually until very recently. You were in Newt’s camp, if I am not mistaken. I’ve knocked garfield for his delusions. I’ve acknowledged that Romney will be the nominee. I’ve asked that the rhetoric against those that have had a hard time jumping on the Romney bandwagon be given some time to get there. Maybe EE is even taking his time to “get there” with calling Romney “President Both Ways.”

            Don’t even go there with putting me in the same box as garfield. You have absolutely no reason to do that. Again, back off.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            The reality is that Mitt’s the nominee and we need to start working on Obama. I would never put anybody in garfield’s box, the guy is the standard for brain dead idiots. Looked to me like you were crawling in there all by yourself & I thought I’d toss you a wake up call. You don’t want to get caught up in this crap ’cause it won’t be pretty and I won’t have anything to do with the “not pretty”. You’re better than that.

          • garfieldjl

            He hasn’t met either requirement to win this, yet.
            1. Has Romney hit the magic number? — NO
            2. Is Romney the only candidate left in the race? — NO

            Since there are still two other candidates in this race, there is still the possibility Romney might end up not being the nominee.

            While the odds favor Romney, by definition he isn’t the nominee until either of the two conditions I’ve indicated have been met. That’s simply a fact, unless you are suggesting the GOP is going to ignore the 1144 rule too?

            Until he hits the magic number of delegates or Newt Gingrich drops out, I’m sorry but Romney is not the nominee. You can claim he’s most likely the nominee, but in the world of politics, things can change.

            Now, maybe you are of the mindset things are hopeless. That’s not my mindset, I’ve had to be this stubborn all my life where people tell me that I can’t do something, if I gave up then I would never have made it to college let alone graduate. I don’t really care if you have a problem with that.

            I still see there is a possibility for Romney not to be the nominee, and thus I’m not going to throw in the towel.

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          • gekster

            And I’m still waiting for an answer to my question.

          • garfieldjl

            I consider taking a chance with a candidate that conventional wisdom says isn’t likely to be the nominee at this stage is less risky, than having a candidate that we don’t know what he’ll do if he wins.

            The country is in dire straights, it can’t survive another Obama term, except through a miracle. Problem is I think Obama has done so much damage to this country, that we can’t simply win in November, we have to do a hard reverse course to undo the damage Obama has done. Otherwise this country is still going to be in dire straights if it doesn’t collapse anyways due to the damage.

            I really don’t see much to lose by continuing to support Gingrich, cause I think trusting that Romney will actually stick to Conservatism and fight to undo the damage is more of a gamble.

            I don’t think we can survive 4 years of the status quo, cause in case you haven’t noticed the situation we’re in now would be the status quo.

          • gekster

            Why no answer.
            Is there a problem.

            Well, I know the answer to that.
            There is, isn’t there.

          • garfieldjl

            In order to answer the question you posed, the way you worded it, I would have to accept some of the presumptions you made as being factually accurate, when that isn’t the case.

            It’s not my problem you used assumptions that happen to be false.

          • gekster

            You posted some quotes detrimental to Romney.

            I took one of the quotes you posted:

            [quote]4. Governor Romney inherited a state debt of 3 billion. He immediately cut spending and raised revenue cutting the deficit by 1.5 billion in the first year. At the end of 4 years he left the state with a balanced budget and a 2.3 billion

          • garfieldjl

            Have you ever taken a look at state issued bonds? It’s where you loan a state government money, they throw that loaned money into the equation and that balances the books.

            In the case of Romney’s Governorship, he was getting a lot of money for Romneycare from the Federal Government. He was raising taxes left and right to the point Democrats started objecting.

            The money he got at the Federal level to fund his little project known as Romneycare was part of why he could claim that he left the state with a surplus, even though when you look at reality, he actually left a bunch of debt that the next Governor would have to deal with, cause the Federal funding would no longer be there.

            That answer the question?

          • gekster

            garfield the tribble posted this earlier.

            [quote]4. Governor Romney inherited a state debt of 3 billion. He immediately cut spending and raised revenue cutting the deficit by 1.5 billion in the first year. At the end of 4 years he left the state with a balanced budget and a 2.3 billion

          • jakeofalltrades

          • gekster

            ;)

          • garfieldjl

            You can have debt and balance your books.

            You get a loan for a house, however you do have a balanced checkbook.

            In this case a lot of state governments may have debt, but that is because people bought Bonds.

            There are people out there that consider buying bonds from State Governments and the Federal Government to be safe fallback investments.

            While I don’t have access to MA’s budget sheets, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s what this “deficit” you are referring to was.

            Fact is, Massachusetts by law requires they run a balanced budget. That is a fact. So it wouldn’t be an accomplishment on Romney’s part, because he was required to balance the books. Fact is though he left the next governor many unfunded liabilities because the Federal Grants stopped coming for Romneycare.

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          • JSobieski

            The only way you are right is if there is some freak accident, or if some totally unforeseeable skeleton drops out of a closet.

            While Romney may not technically be the nominee, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out at this point that it would take a lot for him not to be the nominee.

          • garfieldjl

            Which I’m hoping he won’t.

            Then I will vote Republican in the General election against Obama. Hopefully Romney will have a VP that I can actually vote for.

            That’s it, I won’t put a bumper sticker on a car, no yard signs, no volunteering at phone banks, etc.

            I will point out things as I see them, based on facts. I consider facts and truth to be more important than being blindly partisan. Romney should have plenty he can go after Obama on that is factual, whether or not he can do so without looking like a hypocrit is another matter).

            Then it comes down to hoping that the people that pushed Romney on us didn’t end up handing Obama 4 more years.

      • cheetah2

        that is what I suggested earlier…

        • APA Guy

          That’s just plain nonsense…and Scope knows it.

          • Scope

            people skills that are lacking. I made that very clear.

          • EyeOnThePrize

            N.t.

        • Scope

          but those people don’t need to be pumped up with rose colored glasses. It will be a major goal just to get people to the voting booth, let alone trying to talk themselves into all of a sudden thinking Romney has turned into St. Romney. There is a difference.

          • cheetah2

            Just a look at the reality of the situation ought to be enough. I don’t believe Romney is a saint. That is why he was my second or third choice until now.

            Now he is my first choice because he is the only choice I have left unless I want to help Obama win by not voting or voting third party. Thank you, no.

  • krish

    making sure that Romney does what he says now because conservative policies is the only way to save this country! I am not surprised you cannot see the obivous connection – what happens when you follow somebody blindly!

    I understand name calling etc. since as a Rombot you are worried that your guy would be forced to follow through on his words!

    • Scope

      with the Romney supporters is that they don’t only expect you to “do the right thing” and vote for the Republican nominee, but you dang well better do it with a big smile on your face, and start opening your wallet today to support his campaign.

      • Viet71

        Your guy Obama loves what you’re doing here. But it grabs only a few souls.

        Trashing Romney here is throwing meat to the hungry. You do it well, sort of.

        My question to you: Why do you want O to win? Is it a job for you? If so, I say, fine, and I hope you’re paid well.

      • txpat

        My check book is closed for this election.
        I will drag myself into the voting booth and vote for Romney,
        And then go throw up after the lever is pulled.
        I don’t expect to be wowed by Romney now until November.
        I’ll be a little trooper, and do my part in the general.
        Really that is all the Romney fans really need from me.

        • Bill S

          Wow, I coulda sworn it was 2008 again. Same insipid diaries, different year. But what happened last time the TrueConservatives™ spouted off like this? Four years of Barry.

          Thanks loads, 100%ers.

          • garfieldjl

            We have plenty of time, panic doesn’t help anyone. We know who we face in the General.

            We can keep going after Obama, it’s not like the Democrats will have a different candidate.

            It may actually benefit us to not have Romney be the nominee, cause let’s face it making commercials actually does take time and money. It would be hysterical if Team Obama made a bunch of commercials and spent millions attacking the wrong guy.

            If you’re concerned how about someone set up a SUPER PAC that props all the potential candidates against Obama, or just goes after Obama on the Keystone Pipeline, or Fast & Furious.

            Just let the process play itself out.

          • JSobieski

            The math is much stronger for Romney now than it was for Obama at this time in 2008.

            I don’t want Romney any more than you, but your hopes are so far fetched at this point that they constitute unhealthy fantasy.

            Conservativism is about being an adult, and making hard choices even when none of the options makes you particularly happy.

    • cheetah2

      If “Rombot” is not a disparaging insulting name I don’t know what is…

      • Scope

        we have had Perrybots, Cainbots, Gingrichbots, Santorumbots, and etc., but to call the Romney over zealous posters Rombots is disparaging? We’ve had Perrystate, Cainstate, Romneystate and everything in between as to EE in particular, but Rombots is offensive? Would future President Both Ways be a little more to your liking? or is that a curse word as well?

        • cheetah2

          Why do you assume I ever used any of them?

    • krish

      why do you blindly support Romney? From your postings, it is clear you have no clue on who Romney really is? Instead of coming with cogent arguments, all you try to do is try to shut others up!

      You would like Romney to go back to his liberal positions & that would make you happy, obviously!! If you think calling others Obama supportes or liberals, lets Romney off the hook, you are mistaken!

      By the way, if you want to do something constructive as a Romney supporter (am not using the other word that ends in “bot” ….since some think it is derogatory!) why Not make sure Romney stays right of center! Some of us here in RS want him to be center of right & coming up with ideas to hold thim there, while those of you (Romney supporters) are hurling attacks on us instead of joining us!

      Romney did the same to his fellow primary republican opponents & his supporters in RS are no diferent!

      • Scope

        the “reply to this” option. You are making free standing comments that no one has any clue of who you are talking to. Please, please use the “reply to this” button on the bottom of every post.

  • elayman

    Do what it takes to avoid catastrophe in the short term,, snap out of our funk and put the country on a sustainable course in four years. His comfort zone is the unprincipled middle but Romney has the competitive drive to succeed and it will take conservatives at his back to make it a reality.

  • krish

    N/T

  • Benta_Nordstrom

    While Mitt Romney is the likely nominee…he has not gotten the “numbers” he needs yet.
    We might as well keep on fighting for an Anti-Romney, we have nothing to lose. Obama and the MSM want to run against Romney…they know he is a weak candidate. They are not scared of him and they’ve allready begun trying to trash him for the general election. We should look again at which republican candidate is likely the most electable. We don’ t want a repeat of 2008!

    • garfieldjl

      That’s what I keep trying to tell people.

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        no text

    • jakeofalltrades

      • garfieldjl

        This is getting so predictable it’s sad, are you guys really Romney supporters or are you Obama supporters trying to pose as Republicans.

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        • EyeOnThePrize

          “, are you guys really Romney supporters or are you Obama supporters trying to pose as Republicans.”

          • EyeOnThePrize

            How long do we have to go through this!?!?!?

          • garfieldjl

            I am a Conservative, I’m not exactly thrilled with the idea of a Romney actually getting the nomination (there is still a chance he won’t btw), mbecker and a few others are supposedly now Romney supporters.

            How does it benefit Romney for them to start insulting and bullying the people that Romney will need the support of in the General Election in order to win. Such tactics are more apt to get people to stay home.

            It doesn’t benefit Romney one bit.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            5

          • garfieldjl

            Case and point.

            Instead of building up Romney, they resort to ridiculing people that Romney will need votes from in order to win.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            nt

          • JSobieski

            will find themselves trapped in an elevator for the next 7 months.

            The two of you deserve each other. I do confess that one should be able to expect more class out of the victor than the vanquished, but the two you of make great carricatures of inane politics.

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          • Gretskie

            The duty of non-Romney supporters is….. To remain Non-Romney!
            Vote for Gingrich. He is the best choice. If you were for Santorum don’t go to Romney, go to Gingrich. Romney can’t win if everybody goes to Gingrich. The more support for Gingrich, the less the support for Romney. Gingrich has the experience and the guts we need in a president right now. We don

          • JSobieski

            that Romney is the nominee.

            If the Michigan primary still lay ahead, I still wouldn’t vote for Romney in the primary.

            However, I wouldn’t be attacking him at this point either.

            The time to convince people of a non-Romney has largely passed.

            It is virtually mathematically impossible for Newt to win the nomination.

            Moreover, even if Romney were to fall 10 or even 100 delegates short, he would still be the nominee—only he would be forced to run with a non-optimal running mate.

            Being conservative is ultimately about being an adult, and dealing with the options that we are presented with.

          • gekster

            It is a standing rule at RedState.

            And you may not like Romney, but anybody would be better than Obama.

          • Gretskie

            This is still the time to gather behind the candidate that you think would be the best president. We’re not voting in the general right now, this is the primary season. I wonder how well Perry, Santorum, Gingrich and others would have done if people hadn’t voted based on the liberal media’s “electability” opinions, but on principles and character. We should all have the opportunity to vote for who we think is best, instead of being coereced into supporting who others say is “able to win”. Romney hasn’t won yet, thankfully, so there’s still hope. At least we still have Gingrich.

            And, in turn, some may not like Gingrich, but Gingrich would be 10 times better than Romney. How can people think Romney is our “best chance”? Four years ago when McCain couldn’t beat Obama, Romney couldn’t even beat McCain! It’s unreasonable to think that Romney can beat Obama now.
            Our best hope for victory over Obama is someone other than Romney.

          • Filibuster Keaton

            Even Biden?

      • aesthete

        I’m shocked and slightly sickened that he hasn’t been offered a job making commercials for Toyota… or something.

        I would watch the dickens out of those commercials, is what I’m trying to say.

        • rabun1016

          Then go ahead and sit it out. Many “non-Romney” people have lined up behind him as the best chance to beat Obama even though Romney has many, many flaws. He is still ten times better than Obama, at his worst against Obama’s best.

    • aesthete

      We’re stuck with Romney — for better or (more likely) worse.

      Exactly who do you think can prevent Romney from winning? Ron “fleet-footed” Paul? Or the guy who has been polling lower than Ronnie?

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  • aesthete

    Look, I agree that certain portions of the conservative movement can be self-indulgent or self-important at times. This manifests itself through its constant glorification of terribly unqualified candidates, rather uncritical look at the world, a lack of self-reflection, going out of its way to marginalize and forcing candidates to focus on things that aren’t productive.

    Making sure that a promise made by a less-than-reliable politician, is a promise kept, is not in the least bit self-indulgent or narcissistic: it’s the core of what activism is about. Pres Bush had the mostly uncritical support of conservatives right until that was the *only* core of support that he had — and he didn’t deserve it. More importantly, it wasn’t pragmatic for the conservative movement to invest itself so fully in the Bush administration and its priorities, without a return on investment commensurate with the expense. Learning from that experience, and not tethering the conservative movement to one man with no redeeming features besides a very marginal improvement on one of the worst Presidents of the modern era, is vital for the movement’s future success. Conservative ideas, detached from politicians and the baggage that the conservative movement insists on attaching to them, are fairly popular: look at how the Tea Party did (before it was co-opted). Conservatives are less popular and effective when they are (or are perceived to be) apologists for corporatism, the Republican party, and specific personages in either grouping.