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UAW Bosses Chased Out of Meeting by Local Membership

In Indianapolis, one UAW local membership’s collective decision to “take this job and shove it,” rather than to take less wages, has fueled some criticism over UAW’s international’s involvement in secret negotiations before finally throwing up their hands.

UAW leaders were chased out of UAW local 23′s membership meeting on Sunday as members refused to have a vote to re-open their contract in order to save their jobs.  From the World Socialist Web Site:

As soon as three UAW International representatives took the podium, they were met with boos and shouts of opposition from many of the 631 workers currently employed at the plant. The officials, attempting to speak at the only informational meeting on the proposed contract changes, were forced out within minutes of taking the floor.

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Workers at Local 23 voted 384-22 in May to reject reopening a previous contract, which had guaranteed that wages would remain intact in the event of a sale. GM first announced its intention to sell the plant in 2007, threatening to close it if it did not find a buyer.

Despite overwhelming opposition by the rank-and-file, UAW executives secretly continued negotiations with JD Norman, which they outlined in a document sent to workers last week.

“Within five minutes of its start, a loud chorus of autoworkers shouted ‘no,’” reported the Indianapolis Star. “They could be easily heard on the sidewalk outside the union hall. Three UAW officials soon rushed out of the union hall and departed in a Chevrolet Suburban with Michigan license plates.”

UAW Region 3 Director Maurice Davison, clearly shaken up by the event and expressing the general contempt of officials for the membership, told the Indiana Star Press that the incident was a “mob scene.”

As the three UAW officials were leaving the building, workers shouted out, “Take Kennedy with you!” referring to Local 23 president Ray Kennedy, who has supported the plan to reopen the contract.

“No means no and that’s it. We said no. We said no again. We don’t want a contract. Close it,” auto worker Todd New told WTHR, a local television station. “They get their regular pay,” he said, referring to the union officials, “Why do they want to cut ours?”

“No matter how many jobs we will have at this facility, they will be poverty level and many families will have to take advantage of government programs,” added auto worker Carly Burkhart Kirchner.

Auto worker Nick Ellis told local news station WISHTV, “You just can’t live on $15.50 an hour.”

Unlike the UAW membership meeting in California this past January, when UAW members were told to “Shut the f**k up” by their local leaders, the shoe seemed to be on the other foot for the UAW leaders in Indianapolis.

Unfortunately, it is almost guaranteed that their refusal to re-open their contract will lead to their unemployme, as General Motors will be announcing the closure of the plant as early as Tuesday or Wednesday.

[Photo credit: Bradleygee]

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COMMENTS

  • johnCV

    The union officials seem to understand the consequences of not negotiating with a bankrupt employer while the rank and file thugs do not.
    If they can’t live on those wages, wait till they try to live on unemployment as the plant closes and is moved to china.
    A radical re-alignment of labor is being forced onto the developed countries as they are forced to compete head on with the 3rd world and slave labor economies of china.
    The only answer is increased productivity and the knowledge that you either perform or get eaten. You get paid for what you produce, not what you negotiated. Union insistence on over paid positions and golden benefits are driving (have driven) mfg out if this country (coupled with reckless regulations, gov’t interference in the markets and punitive taxes). Small non-union mfgrs are not doing too badly right now.

    • pilgrim

      The rank and file workers know that a bankrupt employer can’t stay in business, and it is in their best interests for their severance packages to be negotiated. The thugs are the union management who only care about keeping or increasing the numbers of rank and file workers paying union dues. The union management never has a cut in their salary, and only care about what is best for them instead of what is best for the rank and file. The rank and file workers have finally figured out who the union management care the most about.

      • johnCV

        The union thug leaders and thug members The term applies across the board. Have the union leaders acted against the wishes of the rank and file members in raping US industries for unsustainable wages and benefits? The objective of union negotiations has been to extract the most rewards for the least efforts. The golden goose of US industry is dead.

        The rank and file workers know that a bankrupt employer can

        • pilgrim

          I originally thought you were calling the rank and file members thugs because they were turning on the union management and booing them, You call the rank and file thugs because they joined a union with the hopes that the union negotiators talked the industry into paying them more. You are entitled to have your opinion about what makes somebody a thug, but I just don’t share that opinion. The industry could have said no to the thug union management negotiators, so they can share in the blame of things becoming unsustainable.

          A laborer wants to get what the market can bear for his labor whether it is severance or ongoing wage earnings, and the owner of the company wants to get what the market can bear for his finished product whether it is going out of business clearance or ongoing retail sales. Some might call it greedy feasting on the carcass, but I call it capitalism.

          • johnCV

            When unions were forming, I concede there was a need for them as capitalism had become tyrannical in its dealings with labor. Unions (with market demands and wise industrialists such as Ford) were able to redress fair pay for work performed.
            What unions became were tools for collectivists who used them to extort unearned wealth from producers by means of force. No reasonable person would deny a man the right sell his labor to the highest bidder – that’s the very foundation of capitalism. Where the thuggery comes in is when he demands compensation far beyond his worth and hire (elects) leadership to threaten the producer with harm (physical and economic) if those unreasonable demands are not met. Have there been producers who willingly gone along? Sure. Did they get what they deserve? Sure.

            With the ‘globalization’ of labor and markets, our competition has a clear advantage in many areas. We now find ourselves in a position where these union demands can no longer be met in a fiscally survivable manner. The only saving grace we have is our ability to increase productivity to offset our higher base costs. Unions are anathema to that concept by their very nature. They demand more for less and are adversarial to the producer. Since a producer can not discard the union, they move production off shore and live with the downside of (generally) lower quality, less flexibility and more difficult logistics. This is not a good long term solution for mfgrs either as they have now created their own competition.

            So when you have a losing position you either change your approach or use coercion to get what you want at the expense of someone else. I call that thuggery.

          • Achance

            Only 8% of the private sector workforce is unionized. That is less than it was in 1932 BEFORE passage of the National Labor Relations Act. That 8% is almost exclusively in industries that are heavily regulated by government, e.g., regulated utilities, transportation, automobiles, do most of their business with government, e.g., aerospace, defense, shipbuilding, some services, or are heavily funded by government, e.g., health care. This is not the adversarilal relationship that collective bargaining contemplates; the union(s) and management are “partners” in getting more from the government whether favored treatment, more business, or simply more money. I sat in horror as a VP for Labor Relations for a large CA healthcare provided bragged about how they had entered in a mutual recognition with SEIU so they could “partner” with SEIU to seek improvements in healthcare – code of course to get more money in CalCare and Medicare/Medicaid. No responsible employer representative would EVER voluntarily recognize SEIU, unless the alternative was to be organized by the IWW. In the construction industry, in Democrat controlled states and even in some Republican ones like mine, you are NOT likely to get that building permit for a large commercial building without coming to terms with the construction unions, the greenies, and the poverty pimps. If you have a project labor agreement, bleeding edge enviromental measures, and lots of training and affirmative action, you get your permits and your job sails right along without interference from OSHA, Wage and Hour, EEO, etc. If you try to tough it out, you’ll be the lead story every day with your unsafe sweatshop that discriminates against various minorities. There are only a few places in the Country where a union could actually organize a construction job, so they just organize the government.

            The public sector is even worse in the Blue States. When I was Alaska’s director of labor relations only I and the guy from CA were Republican appointees. All the rest of the heads of labor relations were either powerless technicians or Democrat activists, mostly hired straight from a union. I’ll never forget the CA head of Corrections telling me about having to appear before a legislative finance committee and facing the President of the Correctional Officers Association who was on leave of absence from his CO job to be President and on leave of absence from his President job to work as staff to the finance committee; talk about incest!

            Even with Republican governments, public employee unions have some powerful tools, the most powerful being that Republicans are afraid of them. Most wall to wall white collar unions aren’t really very powerful and can’t stand up to serious opposition. Unfortunately, they are powerful because they are thought to be powerful and people are very reluctant to seriously opose them. And some of them really are powerful. The threat from our licenced marine employees whenever we got in a serious beef with them was that if we put them out, their brothers and sisters on the Alaska trade tankers would honor their strike. Loss of that oil revenue gives too cold breath to the heat of deeds. Since oil, no governor has been willing to seriously take them on.

          • johnCV

            I read your posts for enjoyment and enlightenment. This really brings home the trouble we find ourselves in.

            There are only a few places in the Country where a union could actually organize a construction job, so they just organize the government.

            It seems that the unions ARE the government, with the most prodigious enforcement arm possible. Just heard today that the Teamsters are now looking for a taxpayer bailout of their retirement fund. I guess the since they gave it all to democrats, it’s only fair that the government should make them whole – and then some.

          • Achance
      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        of corrupt union management has produced spoiled union members from gamecock’s roost.

        In my many years as an attorney for the Carmen’s railroad workers union, I never saw the rank and file reach this level (not to mention the NY teachers and Greek govt workers level of decrepitude), but it eventually would happen.

        Granted my union and this union are not “government” but then again, since USObama took over GM to save the union, how can we say the “employer” is actually bankrupt when the USObama can print money?

        I must say that when I remind certain friends that are union apologists, they always demonize union leaders and/or blame management for pensions/contracts that bankrupt the company. The poor (huh, see what they make?) workers are NEVER at fault despite their perceived entitlement to ever increasing wages and benefits. The company be damned, and despite the fact that they elect the leaders and keep electing them.

  • pilgrim

    I respect and agree with your analysis about how things are done these days. It is no longer an adversarial divide pitting the union leaders and dues paying members against the management. Now the union leaders and management partner up to get government money. Some folks might say the blame should go to the majority of voters who put spineless weasels into office, but I think there just are not that many Andrew “one man with courage makes a majority” Jacksons left in the USA.

    • Achance

      especially Republicans, run screaming from confrontation and controversy. I spent my whole career with the State carrying the spear for political management. If you’re the spear carrier, you’re also the spear catcher. Even though for all but the last three and a half years, I was a career merit system employee, not an appointee, my head was on the auction block at every election.

      You’d find yourself in the situation where powerful constituencies and their associated legislators would be telling the Governor to take those employee unions down a notch, so you throw some concessions on the table. They’d start howling about the heartless employer and the next thing you knew one of those legislators would be on TV talking about how heavy-handed you were and offering to step in and restore peace and harmony.

      I always told my principals that I would never support causing a strike in any visible service without having made an agreement with the union and submitting it to the Legislature for approval. Quite literally, I would walk away from an impasse declaration and do “a tell me what it takes, boys,” I would agree to it, and then submit it to the Legislature. If they approved and funded it, it might not be good public policy but it was the will of the Legislature. If they refused to approve it, then they were in on the strike too and that would reduce, though not eliminate all the good advice from legislators on TV. And I’m not talking about advice from the minority, the unions own them, so you expect it from them; I’m talking about advice and criticism from Republicans who still foolishly think they can get a union to like them.

      And thanks for the kind words.

  • realskinny

    for many decades has had to join the UAW or lose their job. The locals are, or used to be,run by a small group who control the elections by, among other things, lying about when and where they are being held. The laid off workers will probably take home more from unemployment and “SUB pay”than from working—until the unemployment runs out.

    Unions were never “needed” for protection from “tyrannical” companies. Pay and working conditions improved during the non-union1920′s even faster than they improved during the union 1940′s. Progressives lied about the mythical Robber Barons and Sweatshops in the past just as they lie about everything today.

    Unions constitute a combination in restraint of trade. They extort above market compensation by preventing employers and workers from freely agreeing on conditions of employment. This restraint is enforced through violence and thuggery or in rent-seeking—government favors through law. Their members enjoy greater pay at the expense of non-union workers who cannot compete for the jobs “protected” by the union. The marginal increase in benefits received by the union worker will be matched by the marginal decrease in those received by the non-union worker (spread over a much larger population). You cannot solve this problem by putting everyone in a union either because over time the compensation for performing a task will equal the value of that task being performed.

    As Art indicates above, unions tend to be concentrated in certain areas, the most obvious being where political power overrides rational market forces.

    • Achance

      which did consider them a conspiracy in restraint of trade. That’s why there is explicit language in the NLRA and in state collective bargaining laws authorizing “concerted activity for mutual aid and protection” and legally requiring an employer to bargain. That ended the anti-trust angle for employers.

      You really won’t find any unionized employers having an adversarial relationship with the union. Many will fight the union tooth and nail to prevent being organized, but they can pay a terrible price for that too, e.g., WalMart. Most of the safety complaints against airlines are really just safety or work to rule campaigns by the union(s). And if you try to build a big project non-union, you’re going to have your own personal OSHA, Wage and Hour, and EEO investigators.

    • pilgrim

      I know that the history of unions stems from folks starting up and taking over unions that were believers in Karl Marx doctrine. This is no good. What I wonder about is a hypothetical circumstance. What if a union was started and taken over by folks who were believers in Adam Smith doctrine? In this case the collective bargaining would occur with the intent of the workers getting paid as much as the market could bear, A union based on this doctrine would be for free trade instead of protectionism. I don’t think it has never been tried, but I don’t have a problem with it.

      • johnCV

        The main issue would be having the leadership accused of working against the interests of the members if they did not get what they expected. It would need to be a true partnership where the union explicitly demanded more productivity from its members, and enforced it through expulsion, if performance criteria were not met. Don’t see that happening. It would only take a few troublemakers to cause the system to lock up.

        At least we could be assured that the communist unions would not interfere or plant some thugs to stir up trouble….

      • Achance

        Much like the medieval guilds, they just made a deal with the owner that they’d provide all the labor at an agreed upon price. Who did what and how they did it was the “guild’s” business and they ran the job. So long as they perform according to contract, they got paid.

        There was a lot of communism in America by the 1890s and the government was starting to really get involved in labor relations, especially in the Northern industrializing states and in the big mining states in the West. Those of you in the East and South who’ve only seen the movie version of Western mining have no idea of the scale of industrialized mining in the richer mineral provinces in the West. For those of you who’ve seen pictures of downtown Juneau, the mountain that the Tram goes to, Mt. Roberts was once the largest and richest mining province in the World. There are over 700 miles of mine shaft inside that mountain.

        In any event, the more interest the government took in industrial relations, the more unionized it became and the more communist the unions became. By WWII many of them were simply Comintern fronts. In either ’46 or ’48, the Republican election rallying cry was “Had Enough?” They won, and the most consequential thing the ’48 Republican Congress did was pass the Taft-Hartley Amendments to the National Labor Relations Act and then later the Landrum-Griffing Amendments in ’57 or ’58, I think. Those damped down the communism and some of the excesses of the New Deal and War Production Board days.

        Now there is little prospect of a free market dynamic because as I discussed elsewhere, the industries that are unionized are not participants in the free market and the truly dominant force in unionization in America is public employees who, when unionized, constitute a Socialist Workers’ Party in the European tradition.

      • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

        While there was a “strike” involving sailors at the time of the country’s founding, it was the Philadelphia Cordwainer’s case of 1806 (12 years before Marx was born) that marked the first notable legal case:

        The history of the American labor movement can be traced through a series of trials that, stage by stage, mark its struggle to gain the right to organize. The earliest of these trials happened to involve shoe-and bootmakers. Of all these early trials, the one in 1806 of the Philadelphia Cordwainers is regarded as perhaps the most crucial.

        http://law.jrank.org/pages/2411/Philadelphia-Cordwainers-Trial-1806.html

        Now, if you ask me what teams went to the Super Bowl, I haven’t a clue… :)

  • lineholder

    Maybe someone can answer these questions for me.
    1). When union employees are placed on furlough, do they accept a reduction in pay?
    2). Suppose unionized employees are working “specialized” positions within a company. If the company decided to alter its operations and consolidate some of those positions, to increase efficiency and reduce costs, what kind of issues would the company face with the union?

    • Achance

      First, it depends on whether you have a sane employer that tries to represent its own interests. That isn’t commonly the case in the Blue states and it isn’t commonly the case in the “legacy” industries that remain unionized in the US. In the Blue states and legacy industries, there really isn’t the adversarial relationship that collective bargaining contemplates; the union and management really function as partners in trying to get more money and power from the taxpayers or shareholders. So, there are all sorts of crazy things in labor agreements in Blue states and in legacy industries.

      Furlough is pretty much a public sector concept. In the private sector, you’re either working or you’re laid off and not working. In industries that have drastically reduced their workforce, there are negotiated agreements that provide some pay for laid off employees for some period of time. It really is just a creature of contract. Some industries have periods of retooling or model changes, notably but not exclusively the auto industry, and the regular workforce isn’t needed in those periods. In some instances, this is considered the vacation time and employees get their leave or vacation pay. There are some instances where there is some sort of pay for employees who have no work in these periods and, again, it is a creature of contract and is negotiable.

      In the public sector, employees normally have a work day and work week guaranteed in statute, regulation, or contract; sometimes in all three. Reducing an employee’s work day or workweek is called a furlough. Furlough is distinguished from layoff by the fact that a furlough is for a time certain and a layoff is a period without work but from which there is an expectation of return to work but not at a time certain.

      Most labor agreements have elaborate provisions controlling how employees are laid off and those provisions vary from employer to employer. Seniority is the most common determinant and it normally goes by classification seniority and often has some provision for a more senior employee to “bump” a less senior employee at another location to avoid being laid off. Generally, a union seeks as much notice as possible before employees are laid off and sometimes there is some sort of pay package upon lay off. Most agreements require that all temporary and contract employees be laid off or dismissed before any permanent employees can be laid off. Where unionized employers get in trouble with layoffs is there are lots of chickens&*t managers who use an economic layoff as an excuse for getting rid of an employee who isn’t performing well or who they just don’t like. Unions will grieve alleging that the economic layoff is a pretext and that the employee’s layoff is a constructive discharge. Often the union is right and it can be expensive and embarassing to the employer. I’ve done a few unpleasant labor arbitrations where I as the employer’s representative was the last person to find out that the supervisor/manager who laid off the employee had very loudly said to all who would listen, “I’m going to get rid of that SOB.”

      Where you have a guaranteed work day and workweek and an expectation of continued work, you have to bargain reducing that workday or work week or eliminating the expection of continued work Employers often get in trouble by trying to furlough employees due to lack of funds without bargaining the terms of the furlough. I wrote a diary here a year or so ago about how California was just giving its employees a paid vacation rather than furloughing them because they hadn’t bargained the furluough. Hate to have been so right; the judge awarded the back pay as any labor relations practitioner would have expected. Gotta wonder who was advising Aahnold or whether it was all just done for show.

      The reason employers like furloughs rather than lay off is that it is cheaper. A laid off employee is basically severed from employment and retains only the right to return if needed by the employer, usually in seniority order. Of particular importance to public employers with their elaborate leave and retirement schemes, a laid off employee is entitled to pay for all their accrued leave and, if they desire, their accrued retirement contributions. Since public employers commonly are laying off employees for lack of funds, they don’t have the money to pay off all the accrued benefits, so they try to furlough rather than lay off. I danced with this all during the late ’80s and early 90s during the oil price crash. We simply couldn’t afford to lay off employees because we couldn’t afford to pay off their accrued benefits, so we eliminated all sorts of things because we couldn’t afford to lay off the employees.

      So the short answer to question 2 is that you can do all sorts of things to “increase efficiency and reduce costs” but you have to bargain most of them with the union. If you can’t get the union’s agreement you in the best cases face a grievance that goes to arbitration and possibly to court or you can try to unilaterally implement your changes after bargaining to impasse but you certainly face an unfair labor practice complaint to the state or federal labor board that you may or may not win. In some instance, even if under contract, an attempted unilateral change will give the union a right to strike, so you might face that as well, though most unions won’t strike because they know that is giving the employer what it wants; the employees not working and not getting paid.

      As you’ve prabably figured out by now, it can be a complicated business.

  • Deskpilot

    in their entirety have just been awarded a Bachelors Degree in Labor Relations.
    Exceptional teachings professors. Thanks for the education.

    • Achance

      Trouble is; the answer is always, it depends. There aren’t a whole lot of people in America who know more about public sector labor relations than I do, but there are very few situations for which I can give you a guaranteed answer.

  • Flagstaff

    and I Dugg it.

    Deskpilot has a point. If it’s possible, this should be added to RedState University.