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Mike Castle Encounters the Birthers

Not sure if anyone won, but our movement is losing thanks to these people.

By: Leon H. Wolf (Diary)  |  July 21st, 2009 at 12:30 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Republicans have a very real chance in the 2010 elections to take the Senate seats formerly held by both Barack Obama and Joe Biden.  The candidates we have in those races (Mark Kirk and Mike Castle) are far from perfect from a conservative perspective, but both would certainly constitute an upgrade from the previous occupants of the seat. 

So Mike Castle, the guy with the shot to take Joe Biden’s seat, was out a couple weeks ago doing a town hall on health care reform.  Now, Mike Castle is terrible on this issue, and we will have to certainly hold his feet to the fire in order to keep him from voting for Obamacare.  Frankly, Mike Castle is terrible on a lot of substantive issues, and will require constant cajoling and encouragement from conservatives to stay on a decent path.  This town hall could have been an excellent opportunity to engage in some constructive shaping of Castle’s platform.  Instead, a bunch of jackass clowns showed up and turned the entire affair into a YouTube cause celebre for… the birther movement:

WASHINGTON — Rep. Mike Castle’s recent “listening session” in Georgetown is bringing him YouTube fame, but not because of the topic.

 

It’s because the Delaware Republican got booed after vouching for President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

 

The video of the June 30 town hall meeting on health care reform shows a woman toting an American flag and her own U.S. birth certificate asking why people are ignoring the president’s birth certificate. She said Obama is a citizen of Kenya, not the U.S.

 

The crowd applauded and cheered as she yelled, “I don’t want this flag to change! I want my country back!”

I really have no interest in debating the merits of this particular conspiracy theory in this post.  Therefore, I will posit, for the sake of argument, that the basic premise of the birther movement is correct.  Obama was born in Kenya and is not a “natural born citizen.”  Okay.  Now what?  What on earth do the birthers think will be done about it?

Do you people suppose that the Supreme Court will somehow order President Obama out of office?  I will bet you $100, and give you 1000:1 odds that that will never, ever happen.  They will decline to even entertain such a case.  I don’t think anyone in the country has standing to bring it, and even if they do, the Courts will prudentially decline to hear the case as a political question.  Book it, the courts are not getting involved in this; the place where we sort out the citizenship thing is at the ballot box and you already lost that fight.

Do you suppose that Congress will remove Obama from office through the impeachment process? You really think that there will be 67 Senators who will vote to actually remove Obama from office (to say nothing of 50% of the House voting to impeach him)? Let us be real.  Even if we granted that this would be grounds for impeachment proceedings (something of which I am not sure at all), it will never, ever happen politically.

However, even if we ignore the stark political reality that Obama is never, ever going to be chucked out of office (under any plan or mechanism) for this issue, what would be the end result if he were.  President Biden, that’s what.  Sorry, there is no provision in the Constitution for going back and re-doing the 2008 elections.  And whatever you think of Obama as President, surely you wouldn’t prefer to have Joe Biden as our Chief of State?

I will be brutally honest with you all: I signed up for a Google Alert on Mike Castle several months ago in hopes of having nice things to say about him in the event that he ran for Biden’s seat.  So far, I have come up completely blank.  There are a lot of good reasons to hold Castle’s feet to the fire, at least to the extent that we can make him understand that there are some things he has to tow the line on in order to keep the infinitesimal number of Republicans in Delaware.  But booing and heckling the guy on this ridiculous birther crap is embarrassing to us as a party and a movement, and doesn’t help advance the cause of anything.  Let’s keep our eye on the ball here – even if you’re predisposed to believe the birther stuff, please realize that nothing is ever going anywhere on that front, roll up your sleeves, and focus your energy somewhere that it has a chance to matter.

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  • Dave_in_Fla

    Dems didn’t lose because of Truthers, we aren’t going to lose because of Birthers.

    I know that is a minor point in your post, but the subtitle is a bit overboard.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      That’s pretty bad.

    • redstatebluestate123
      • Swamp_Yankee

        Hillary’s people were all over this, especially after it became clear she was going to lose. Between that point and the convention, they were looking for a coup and the birth certificate issue was their golden ticket.

        • redstatebluestate123
          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/06/zogby-poll-42-of-democrats-think-bush-caused-911-or-let-it-happen/

            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2009/08/04/flashback-35-democrats-think-bush-knew-9-11-attacks-advance

            Riiiiiight. I think that you’re pretty much done imploding here, moby.

            Blam.

    • lthurwitz

      The sensational nature of the birther claims make it a perfect story for the lazy media. Since the claims are demonstrably false, it’s an easy bit of “journalism” to give them air and make light of them. So we get a mountain of coverage over this weak little mole hill. And of course the laziest part of the journalism is to equate these fanatics with the conservative base. What to do? I think serious conservative leaders should stop pandering to this sect and maturely expose their foolishness.

      • doug9732

        Where’s the birth certificate? You know, the official document that says what hospital he was born at and which doctor officiated? Obama has spent a fortune in legal fees to avoid having to show it, so a very reasonable inference is it shows he was not born in the USA.

        It seems perfectly reasonable to me for any Republican, especially an officeholder, to simply refuse comment on this issue. But for a “Republican” to vouch for Obama’s natural-born-citizenship marks them as either a victim of the Stockholm syndrome, or else a covert Democrat.

  • alabamared

    6 of those with a GOP Congress, conservative people got used to having some say in government. Now, they have no say, and are reacting badly. They want things to be back to the way they were and, as the OP points out, that is not going to happen through anything but the ballot box. These nuclear tactics are simply pipe dreams.

    At a minimum, fringe movements like the Birthers take time and energy and attention away from the good stuff that the GOP is doing and trying to do.

    I mean, we can use all the votes we can get. And I can’t help but worry that there may be some number of “moderates” out there who are scared by Obamacare and maybe feeling some regrets about their 2008 vote and maybe willing to listen to us again . . . and then they see this Youtube and think “the GOP is still too out there for me. Obama and the Dems are the safer choice.” That’s a potential vote lost for 2010.

    Good post, Leon.

    • JadedByPolitics

      idiots and bottom feeder think 9-11 truthers and they gained a huge foothold in the leftards in Congress. These tools will NOT be receiving the kindness of GOP’er’s and there in lies the difference between the left and the RIGHT!

      If “moderates” look at the youtube video and decide that Obama is a safer “choice” then they are as STUPID as the day they voted for him!

  • justawhoaman

    t’s NOT about WHERE Obama was born… the fact is that Obama’s father was a Kenyan, a foreign British Colonial, in 1961. This means that Obama was a DUAL CITIZEN. There is no way that “natural born citizen” can be construed to mean dual. The whole purpose of singling out the requirements for President to include the language, natural born citizen, as opposed to citizen (every other electable position) is because the President MUST not have allegiance to any other country than the USA.

    THIS is why Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States. It has nothing to do with his birthplace… We are not “birthers”… it is not theory and no conspiracy. The Constitution is being smashed to smithereens and we simply want to have a legitimate President and, therefore, legitimate government…

    Please… please… please stand up for the Constitution.

    Justawhoaman

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      NT

      • bs
    • JadedByPolitics

      He was elected by citizen’s of the United States of America and instead of continuing this line of attack which of course makes citizen’s like yourself look like a french fry short of a happy meal you could perhaps put your energy into defeating the Democrats in the House getting rid of Nancy Pelosi etc.

      I guarantee you that recovering the country from an all out socialist assault will do more for the Constitution then having a small minority of people assaulting potential Republican candidates in an open forum will EVER DO!

      If you birther’s have any intelligence at all you will let the cases that are before the courts continue on and allow that Constitutional practice proceed while doing your due diligence as a Citizen to take back the Congress everyone will win in the end!

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
      • George Claghorn
      • Dan McLaughlin

        nt

        And as usual, great post by Leon.

      • aesthete
      • LibRick

        Whenever the mainstream media runs with the crazy conservative meme, I go to Redstate for a reality check.

        Leon’s diary post, you, and all the other respected heavyweights here really point out the counterproductive nature as well as the futility of this “birther” thing. I kind of figured you would.

        I just wish Redstate could get their consensus views on each issue out better to the American people. Erick and others are doing a great job but it seems hardly a whisper in the mass media echo chamber.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Clearly Congress will impeach Obama and remove him from office once the truth comes out, and John McCain will be installed in his place!

      • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

        “Good God!”

        • George Claghorn
          • Common_Cents

            Biden at least gaffes the truth quite often. Obama is a deliberately deceitful train wreck.

            Who cares if birthers attack Obama, let them. They hardly speak for the majority of conservatives.

            If Obama doesn’t respond he will suffer the effects of unchecked BushDerangement Syndrome. Bush was attacked 24/7 by numerous groups, fringe or not. He took the high road to disaster.

            Anyway, I see it as a rising distrust of government, period.

            We can tap that pent up energy that many people have that feel the government is going over the line

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
          • IJB
          • George Claghorn

            But if he were to become president today, we would have to put up with him for another three years, and then clean up the damage afterwards.

            As I said to gamecock, it’s basically a question of which one is the “least bad”.

          • Common_Cents

            I doubt Biden would 1/10th as ambitious as Obama in “remaking” (read: destroying) America.

            Anyway, just a hypothetical discussion.

            It appears to me Obama will be a one and out flash in the pan.

            America will wake up from the utopian party and sweet talk of Obama to the hangover of reality to hopefully practice “safe voting” once again by vetting her future partners much more closely.

          • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom
          • mbecker908

            a braindead fool. You and yours who are trying to push this piece of mental masturbation are nothing more than a distraction.

            Go start your own website and stop dropping this kind of crap in our house.

            Like it not, BO is the President. Democrats control the Congress, lock stock and barrel. They are getting ready to pass a Marxist agenda and you idiots are wasting people’s time and energy with this stuff.

            You and your little friends are a total waste of oxygen.

          • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

            Hardly.

          • mbecker908

            You go to great lengths to align yourself with the biggest bunch of fruitcakes around. And don’t start with the “I just want to have legislation that requires all candidates to present their birth certificates…” bulls**t. That legislation is a total waste of time and it is a distraction from the real work that should be done.

            You and your ilk damage the credibility of the party just about every time you open your mouth.

          • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

            that of all the people here who have commented on this issue, I am worthy of the title of leader of the ‘birthers’?

            What is it about me that offends you so where other more vociferous “fruitcakes” as you say, have not been singled out?

            Is it perhaps something else about me that offends you? Perhaps I have said something in the past to offend you. If that is the case, I can assure you it was not intentional and I beg your pardon. I have no desire to be at odds with you. Aren’t we fellow Republicans? Shouldn’t we be allies?

          • mbecker908

            1. You are the individual – the single individual, I would add – at Redstate who has written multiple diaries in support of this witch hunt.
            2. At a time when the Party and the country are facing a war at home you are the equivalent of chicken little with your affectation for this subject.
            3. “Aren’t we fellow Republicans?” I have no idea what you are. What I do know, however, is that birthers hurt the credibility of the party, and distract everyone, including the leadership, from spending time on the real issues right now, and you align yourself with their cause.
            4. As far as #3 is concerned, Ron Paul says he’s a “Republican” too. Am I comparing you with Paul? Not necessarily, but neither of you is capable of a sustained rational argument and both of you are involved in activities that damage the brand.
            5. Allies? Heh. Fix your priorities then we’ll talk about that.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            They’ve been making Leon’s point all thread long, too.

          • mbecker908

            And, on another even more arcane subject, why won’t spellcheckers work in the “Comment title” line unless you right click and force a spellcheck (at least with Firefox)?

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            They probably default only to checking text areas, not text inputs.

          • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

            Politics is a funny thing. It’s not like war, it’s more like fishing. If you use the wrong bait, you go home empty handed. And if you make too much noise, you scare away all the fish, and again, you go home empty handed.

          • mbecker908

            head is well hidden from the sun.

            Politics is not like fishing. It IS war. And because of G.D. fools like you the Republicans haven’t been in the game. When you send a bunch of fishermen against an army the fishermen end up losing.

            And do NOT bounce in here with a theological interpretation of that statement because I’ll happily hand you your head (on second thought, I won’t – I’m not pulling your head into the sunlight).

            HR-1503 (assuming that’s the birther bill, and I’m not wasting my time to look it up) is a total waste of time and a 100% distraction. After that piece of legislative crap is flushed – and rightly so – maybe we should get into a big fight over whether or not to rename Reagan National Airport.

            You fool.

          • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

            But I’m glad we had this little chat, I feel like I know you a lot better now. It’s clear that there is some kind of unhappiness in your life so I will pray for peace and good health for you. Good night neighbor.

          • mbecker908

            1. It didn’t go over my head. It was simply meaningless and totally off point. And that is typical of posts from a troll.
            2. I have absolutely no unhappiness in my life and if I did, I wouldn’t want you dealing with it in any way, shape or form.
            3. When all is said and done, I’m probably the most “at peace” gut you will ever run into. And my health is excellent.
            4. I’m NOT your neighbor. We have an ordinance in our neighborhood keeps out braind dead fools..

            The only issue I’ve got that remains “unsolved” – and will remain so – is that I do not, nor have I ever been able to, tolerate fools and those who have no ability to prioritize. You are at or near the top of both lists.

          • George Claghorn
          • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

            But I have been called worse.

            And I will have you know that this is Leon’s diary, not mine. Mine have been about the current legislation (HR-1503) to prevent this sort of argument from happening in the future, which should be something you would support, would it not?

            Leon asked the question. “What on earth do the birthers think will be done about it?” Should I not have answered him?

          • mbecker908

            There is absolutely nothing about this subject, including that ridiculous piece of legislation that ranks as one of the biggest time wastes in the last few years, that is relevant to the reality of politics today.

            In the future, “rational” answers would be what would be expected, but based on your history that’s probably too much to ask.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Biden refers to the military operations in Iraq as preserving a great victory. That is huge and to his credit.

            Moreover, I think Biden actually cares about the liberty of average people and their standard of living and would be much more like Bill Clinton in doing what actually works on the economy, esp given the failure of the liberal policies and the dream of Utopia not appearing yet again.

          • George Claghorn

            But it’s basically a question of which one is the “least bad”.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
      • wallahi

        Clearly Congress will impeach Obama and remove him from office once the truth comes out, and John McCain will be installed in his place!

        No, the way it’s going to work is that the nation will be so shocked by the revelations about Obama that the Democrat congress is going to impeach him and Biden and install Sarah Palin as president with Cheney getting another few terms as veep.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
        • Leon H. Wolf
  • azaeroprof

    I agree with everything in your diary, Leon. This is not worth pursuing legally. Do I think it has been proven conclusively that Obama is indeed a natural-born citizen, no. But for the reasons you stated, this issue as an issue is closed.

    However, ignoring this issue and dismissing the ‘trufers’ as lunatics or, worse, Pauliacs, is NOT a successful strategy. In my everyday conversations and my attendance at GOP events, I have observed that this is not just a ‘kook’ phenomenon like the 9-11 trufers. Right or wrong, there are a HUGE number of folks, most of them ordinary citizens & party regulars and many of them elderly, who are convinced that Obama is a usurper. Is there some element of this that is racial? Probably. But the vast majority are just suspicious based on the Obama campaign’s reaction to the lawsuits.

    At some point, the leadership of the GOP (Steele,etc.) need to step forward (like, actually LEAD) and basically say what you say in your diary. This is a losing issue for us, but it is much like a festering wound. We need to aggressively clean out the existing infection so the wound can heal. Ignoring it will lead to gangrene, or worse.

    • Spartan4Life

      Just have surrogates bring it up. I think it really resonates with folks.

      Even my kids said, “Why doesn’t he just produce it?”

  • Spartan4Life

    If it is such a non-issue then why not just produce the damn thing?

    I say keep bringing it up because it adds to the perception that Obama is a pretender and helps keep his agenda bottled up.

    If my son wants to play little league he has to produce a birth certificate. If I can’t or won’t he is not allowed to play. It’s pretty simple.

    This may not be a sophisticated policy debate but there are millions of Americans who understand this kind of thing.

    If we trivialize the citizenship requirement in the constitution, don’t we trivialize the entire document?

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      …and it’s Leon’s point: it’s getting in the way of other things. How did going after Mike Castle on this make it more likely for us to put him in that seat?

      • Common_Cents
    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      health care. Of course, Obama was too young to witness his own birth. I have written extensively on this from a legal standpoint. I’m a lawyer. But suffice to say for now, the major points:

      natural born is not defined in the Constitution

      The 14th Amendment addresses citizenship, not natural born

      My conclusion re natural born is that so long as his mother was citizen at the moment of his birth it doesn’t matter where he was born

      Bill Kristol cited a Honolulu newspaper notice of Obama’s borth 2 days after his birthdate

      There is no evidence he wasn’t born in Hawaii

      more later and will provide links re the above on request

    • GremlinJones

      Google is your friend.

      I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Wolf – if this ridiculous fringe issue is what gets people fired up, well, I’m at a loss for words. Huge healthcare changes, the swelling of the government to unacceptable levels, the tax increases that are sure to come, etc., etc. Come on!

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        is one issued by the state of Hawaii that is the same for those born in the state and those not born in the state. The original has not been produced, but as I say above, I don’t think the place of his birth is critical. The citizenship of his parents is what controls and there is no evidence that his mother had renounced her citizenship.

        • naraht

          In fact, for Natural Born, you need one parent or in the USA (which is how you get anchor babies). Obama could have been born on a German Airplane flying between Sweden and Spain over France to an American Mother and a Turkish Father and ended up with citizenship in all six countries. And still been eligible to run for President unless he specifically did something to cause his American Citizenship to be revoked.

          (While I’m not sure that the conditions apply to these particular countries, there are countries where being born in the air over them, or being in an airplane chartered to or having taken off or landing in all give citizenship)

          And

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            requirement for President in the original constitution.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      There seems to be an assumption by too many Americans that is mostly a staple of the left but that many Americans suffer from that only a judge in a court can decide constitutional issues. Not so. In fact, it is doubtful that the SCOTUS would take a natural born case, as it is mainly a political issue that other institution can decide (Electoral College and the Congress when it certies the vote) and because of the paucity of evidence for the legal requirements of same.

      The issue was decided in 2008.

      Now, if anyone can come up with evidence that Obama was not a citizenmuch less a naturla born citizen eligible for the Presidency, then I see no problem with pursuing same quietly in Kenya, but not in the courts or political shouting matches.

      But as I said, his rep as a liar is being cemented as we speak on other issues.

      Now, one thing I would not be surprised to learn is that his father was actually not the Kenyan he dreamed of, but rather was the old man his mom let him hang out with in Hawaii all the time…

    • George Claghorn

      Click to enlarge:

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        lack of the release of the original birth certificate with the feet and hand prints.

        I am not one of them, but

        just saying

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          I was born at 1159pm

          truly

          anal retentive nurse

          • http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme

            Anal retentive is harsh, unless she put 11:59:59.

            Mine says 6:45:35

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
        • George Claghorn

          The long form has all the other info.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            legally

            He has not released the hospital birth certificate

            period

      • Finrod

        The former is what people are wanting; the latter basically says ‘yes there’s a baby and it’s alive, but we don’t know much about the actual birth itself’. Others here have made this distinction better but it’s been long enough since this issue was kicked around here that I’m not sure where in the archives it is.

      • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

        A certificaTION is merely a fancy printout of a database entry printed at the time of the request.

        A real birth certificate is a historical document made within hours after birth and with witnesses names on it for verification.

        It’s the witnesses that make a statement true or not, not the fancy paper.

        So referring to that image as a “Birth Certificate” is not accurate or useful.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • IJB
          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • Dave_in_Fla

            I’m *I think* 100% in agreement with everything GC has said here. However, out of personal curiosity I looked around for the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate, per Hawaii statute. After reading through the actual law, there is a pretty significant difference. A COB can be issued to any Hawaii resident by walking into an office and saying “this is my child”. A BC is issued by a hospital when a child is born in their care.

            If Obama can’t produce a BC, that means he wasn’t born in a Hawaiian hospital. Note that I say can’t, not won’t. There are many other conspiracy theories that involve why he would refuse to produce a BC that he has.

            I could dig up the statute, but as others have said, it is irrelevant.

        • George Claghorn

          A short form is also referred to as a “Certificate of Live Birth.”

          The long form contains all of the details, such as footprints, etc.

          I suggest you read up on the difference.

          • Finrod

            .

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
        • mbecker908

          somehow capable of rational thought.

  • The_Rebel

    If they happen to be right and there is a smoking gun, maybe the courts will do nothing as will the Congress, but I assure you the American people will feel hoodwinked over their vote in 2008 and will take it out on Democrats in 2010 and 2012.

    But our candidates cannot allow their campaigns to be infiltrated by these groups. Weak management of the campaign can only lead to disaster.

  • rjhfl

    Perhaps these are merely people who want to see the Constitution enforced. Am I to infer from this article that (just like the liberals) we can pick and choose which parts of the Constitution we agree with based on our current desires? In my 62 years (actually it did not take me that long), I have learned that when someone goes to the trouble and expense to hide something to the extent that BHO has (college transcripts, birth certificates), there is always a reason. P.S., contrary to your article, we do not know what the result would be if he were discovered to be a non-citizen…this has never happened before. Perhaps the fallout from such a Constitutional crisis would help to wake up this country. What I do know is that all the people in Congress took an oath to uphold the Constitution. Let’s see them do it for a change. They had no problem investigating McCain’s eligibility. There are certainly many issues out there that need to be defeated/resolved. This is one of them. Perhaps it just makes some people feel smarter and more sophisticated to put down the many people who want to see this resolved.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Yeah, that was exactly the point of my post.

      You’re right, man, forget stopping Obamacare, Card Check, and Cap and Trade. Let’s fight this one tooth and nail for the sake of putting Biden in office. Makes great sense to me. What was I thinking?

      • rjhfl

        “You?re right, man, forget stopping Obamacare, Card Check, and Cap and Trade. Let?s fight this one tooth and nail for the sake of putting Biden in office. Makes great sense to me. What was I thinking?”

        Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Nowhere in my post did I imply that the other issues should be ignored…as a matter of fact, I stated the opposite. But at least now, I know where you are coming from, MAN. Have a nice day.

      • Common_Cents

        LEON, you seem to want your cake and eat it too. Getting the last word.

        If you believe Obama’s citizenship discussion is a distraction why write about it and perpetuate it? Then call foul if some disagree with you?

        If the birthers are the whackos then how is this issue going to interfere w/ the rest of us battling socialized medicine, card check, crap and tax, etc??? I hardly see this as being an either, or scenario.

        I see it either the issue is fringe and benign to conservative movement, or it is a legitimate issue.

        I’m not going to devote much time to this citizenship issue personally but who cares if others do. You have not really made the case that it is a big distraction, but rather shown sarcasm to people that disagree. (of course their are the moby’s and nuts that deserve to get blammed)

        I am a bit curious to get the ‘rest’ of the story on Obama, now that he has proven himself to be a downright deliberately deceitful plain faced liar in way over his head. Why would I believe anything he has said or represented in his past?

        When we get our elected elite telling us we need to spend even more to overcome a deficit, I don’t think they are intelligent enough to even properly vet a freakin birth certificate and legitimacy of a candidate either.

        • The_Rebel

          No one in this thread has said it any better.

    • George Claghorn

      It is political suicide, focusing on this and only this while simultaneously ignoring every major issue at the forefront of political debate at the moment.

      We will have another chance in 2012. Until then, we will have much more important tasks at hand.

      • IJB

        If the guys who want the Birthers to shut up take the tact that this issue is “not important”, not only will you not shut them up, you’ll lose a lot of us who don’t have strong opinions one way or the other.

        The truth is, the issue IS important, just by virtue of the fact that Obama & co. have never properly and conclusively addressed this issue, and it gets to the heart of the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the current political system.

        Now, if the anti-Birthers want to argue that there are better ways of addressing this issue than at a Town Hall meeting with a prospective Senate candidate, a lot of us might be willing to listen to that point.

        But if you’re going to claim the underlying issue isn’t important, just because you think some political/policy issue are “more important”, you’re going to lose a lot of us, and you’ll quite simply lose the argument, period.

        • http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme

          Important enough to allow our opponents to say, “Why would you listen to them? They’re birthers!” kind of important.

          Obamacare, Capn’ Tax, etc is where the energy should be directed.

          • IJB

            …You will lose this argument.

            I’m just sayin’.

            (P.S. And the Dems listening to the Troofers hurt them not a whit.)

    • load

      Their were two YouTube video’s. I admit the lady with the birth certificate was a little excitable but the second video really put Castle in defensive mode. Castle says he reads ALL the bills and he read the Cap and Tax bill, including the 300 page amendment, that’s bull.

      I don’t see Castle be the guy to take Biden’s seat. The people of Delaware saw him for what he was “gang of 8 traitor”. Let him get defeated in 2010 and then we move on.

      The birthers have a right to express their opinion just like you and I.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        The point just went so far over your head that the Hubble Space Telescope would have a hard time seeing it.

        • load

          I always try to learn something new everyday.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            And her kind are a disgrace to the party.

            The fact that you ignore the lunatic and instead start ranting about the Republican in the race, is unfortunate.

      • George Claghorn

        …that the Birthers couldn’t express their “believes”?

  • Taniwha

    Stipulating that Zero was foreign born, you wouldn’t think that would be worth fighting over? Really?

    I can understand people on our side who don’t want to have the discussion because they think it’s a trap — once enough people are in, he will show a ligitimate birth certificate from Hawaii, and our folks will be embarrassed. But I cannot understand someone who will stipulate a sitting POTUS is a foreign agent, and then actually say, in front of God and everybody, “What on earth do [people the author stipulates for the sake of argument are right] think will be done about it?”

    The military refusing his thus by-definition-unlawful orders is the obvious place it starts. That part is a no-brainer.

    We must know. Personally, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt, but when they recinded that guy’s orders rather than fight about it with actual discovery on the line, …no. I don’t buy it anymore. Nobody who had the proof in hand would ever do that. You just can’t run a military having a get-out-of-war card like that out there. And yet, he did just that rather than show his da** birth certificate.

    No. I don’t buy it. Let’s see the paper. You can call whatever names you like, but I say that someone who calls names rather than present case-closed proof he supposedly has, doesn’t.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Stipulating that Zero was foreign born, you wouldn?t think that would be worth fighting over? Really?

      Really.

    • George Claghorn

      The military refusing his thus by-definition-unlawful orders is the obvious place it starts. That part is a no-brainer.

      That is not the place to start. Major Stefan Frederick Cook’s refusal of orders — which he requested himself — was a direct and unabashed flaunting of the chain of command, which in itself was a borderline criminal act. He is, and rightfully so, going to be hauled away for a long, long time.

      • Taniwha

        Because before he can be “hauled away”, he will get a trial. That means the merits of his case will be addressed. With discovery.

        No way on earth they do that, buddy. That’s why they hounded his civilian boss into firing him — it’s the best they can do. There will be nothing more. Even throwing him out of the military other than honorable will get him a hearing eventually.

    • GremlinJones

      We’ve seen multiple intelligent posters in this thread claim that he hasn’t shown a birth certificate. He clearly has, back in 2008. A quick Google search reveals multiple first-hand accounts of people who have seen the original, the head of the hospital has certified that it is genuine, the local newspaper ran a birth announcement two days after his birth. What more do you want? Honestly, I don’t understand.

      I agree with the poster above that the Republican leadership needs to work to squash this conspiracy theory because the Left would like nothing more than to paint the whole party with the broad “crazy” brush.

      • http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme
      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        an explanation as to why the hospital’s original or copy has never been provided?

        I think even a copy of the hospital original would end this.

        • George Claghorn

          So I assume it’s not a possibility that we’ll ever see the original copy.

          • naraht

            I’m just wondering how much help to the Republican party people would be who believe that an elected Republican governor is part of the conspiracy to allow Obama to become president.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • naraht

            Before you posted this I didn’t realize that she was Jewish. Because I can’t imagine two governors who agree on more than her and Ed Rendell (D-PA)
            (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_American_governors)

            Sometimes I wonder whethere someone who believes in the truthfulness of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion more or less likely to be a birther than someone who doesn’t.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            But they control everything. Ask Kenny and Pejman. :-)

            (And of course your last sentence is why I’m mocking birtherism in this way :-)

          • naraht

            According to her biography on the Hawaii State Government site (http://hawaii.gov/gov/governor/biography)

            OTOH, I just found out that someone who I’ve known for over a year and thought I knew pretty well doesn’t believe that people ever landed on the moon in 1969.

            If the Jews control everything, then I need to ask my Rabbi why I haven’t gotten my orders. :)

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Maybe you’re supposed to be my handler.

          • naraht

            Yours is Barbara Boxer, which is fine because Jews don’t *really* care about anything in American Politics other than getting money to Israel.

            And bombing Iran.

          • aesthete
          • naraht

            I forgot about the funding for the effort to make the moon appear to have payes and an untrimmed beard.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            that is not designed to cover up a lie of Obama.

            Now, I think the lie does NOT show that he is NOT a natural born citizen. I think that it shows that Obama has been lying for years about who his father is and that he found out AFTER he wrote his first book.

            But there is NO legitimate reason for NOT un-sealing the original, and Obama could do that at any time.

          • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

            At least, according to Andy Martin.

            If the president finds that sufficiently embarrassing, he might just want to keep that information secret.

          • ocleverone

            Either that Frank Marshall Davis, Jr is his father or the father is omitted from the certificate.

          • Common_Cents
          • ocleverone

            I really think that there is an omission on the father name on the BC.

            I remember a comment he made (when the hunt for the oh so perfect dog was beginning) that basically said that it would be purebred no a “mutt like me”.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
          • http://www.marklaiminger.org Lammo

            . . . nothing disqualifying but certainly something embarrassing. Most likely trying to avoid having to return all of the proceeds from “Dreams From My Father” since it would turn out to be based on a lie.

      • Dave_in_Fla

        But I’m a sucker for making sure facts are used, even when irrelevant.

        Obama produced a Certificate of Live Birth. Obama did not produce a Birth Certificate. Per Hawaiian statute there is a difference between those two. A COB can be easily issued for a child of a Hawaiian parent who gives birth at home or out of state. A BC can only be issued by a Hawaiian hospital.

        If we keep this going, I’m going to be forced to post the statute, and I really don’t want to dig it up again.

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
      • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

        The TEA Partyers are protesting higher taxes. Do we avoid that issue too? Do we shun those people?

        We are playing right into the Dems hands if we let the Dems make the rules as to what issues are the “crazy” ones.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          If you try to comingle Tea parties and birtherism again I just might ban you.

          I won’t have you trying to hijack that movement for your conspiracy theories.

          • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

            I won’t pursue it

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
    • longwalker

      That reservist major was not excused from the overseas assignment because he claimed that Obama was not eligible to be president.

      As a single volunteer for a tour in either Iraq or Afghanistan, he could withdraw at any time prior to the date of embarkation under the Regulations.

      He pulled a “political stunt” by volunteering then refusing to go. His reason for refusing is not controling under the regulation. A individual, under the regulation, does not have to give a reason for refusing.

      I do not approve of any individual who deliberately “plays games” with the military for political purposes.

      • dave_in_atl

        That seems to be the point overlooked by the birthers in this situation.. This guy never had to go if he didn’t want to, and could resign up until the day of his deployment.

        There was no reason to sue if he didn’t want to go… all he had to do was ask. The military in response to the lawsuit decided he no longer wanted to go and rescinded his orders… Seeing as he lost his security clearance the private company that employed him had no further use for him and fired him.

        Down the road I suspect charges will also be filed as the military usually does not respond well to being made pawns in someones little game.

        • Taniwha

          The Major would be nothing but gleeful if they would file charges, because then he gets discovery. Every ‘birther’ on Earth would dance in the street if they filed charges. That’s the whole point.

          I’m still waiting for someone to give me a non-stupid sounding reason why Obama would not simply put an end to all this if he has an Hawaiian BC. For the record, “why should he? ” is not non-stupid sounding, but it’s definitely not as stupid as Obama’s own excuse — he’s afraid for his privacy. Right — because anyone who wants to steal an identity and get credit against it would just LOVE to walk into a store, and try to say he’s Barack Obama, President of the USA, now sell me the shirt on this credit card that says Barack Obama on it. Sure, that’ll work.

          C’mon, you guys, step up. Give a reason, even a theoretical one, that’s not ridiculous on it’s face, and doesn’t grow more ridiculous every day this matter keeps getting ink. It can all go away tomorrow. There must be a reason a guy who has the proof he’s right would not present it. Maybe I just lack imagination. Let’s have you guys who are so sure he’s on the up and up with no evidence at all take a whack at it.

          • dave_in_atl

            first… if you think that a military court would do anything but laugh this joker out of the room if he attempted his birther bull-crap you are as delusional as he is.

            with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;

            I would say a case could be made at the very least for the “otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance” either way though I hope this idiot hangs.

            Also I would add… “Sedition is a punishable offense under the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 94″

          • Taniwha

            CIC is US born, as that position requires, he’s entitled to discovery on that point. It’s not sedition to disobey an illegal order, and for it to be legal, he has to be shown to be US born.

            He’s the first POTUS-Elect for whom this is not settled fact. The only one without a historical marker at his place of birth, unless you count the one so many people in Mombasa claim is tight there in Kenya. They cannot make a finding of fact that his orders are legal without settling the matter once and for all. They can laugh all they want, but as of now, you still cannot lock someone up without due process in this country. Not even in the military.

            You will not get your wish. They will never prosecute, and entitle him to discovery.

            Still waiting on that non-stupid-sounding reason thing.

          • dave_in_atl

            Just admit it, even if you saw the long form birth certificate you would be 100% sure it was forged… Its not about his eligibility… its in your brain, your just unable to grasp a black president…. or your an idiot… either way you have issues.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            LEt’s watch the racism cracks.

          • dave_in_atl

            But this birther delusion has some very obvious racial connections. I would never go as far as to say every (or even most) birthers are racist, but when you get birther nonsense with the added sprinkle of Kenya, and Mombasa its hard not to draw conclusions.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Democrats do that, but I have a hard time doing it.

            I don’t let people get away with spreading the lie that anti-Obama stuff is racist. Even the kooky stuff.

            It’s a standard left wing smear against our side, so I have a higher standard for people who make it.

          • Taniwha

            …I wouldn’t believe your evidence?

            Heh. Sounds like YOU are the one who thinks any document eventually produced would be questionable. On the plus side, it sounds like you also fear he will eventually be forced to present SOMETHING…

            Look: there are document experts out there. That’s why Dan Rather went down. I’m sure if there’s anything obviously fishy, they’d take it from there. But I have to note, all the same — what kind of, ahem, *man*, resorts to “you wouldn’t believe me anyway” in advance, as a dodge against presenting evidence, and actually considers it a defense?

            Proving when and where someone was born is why we HAVE birth certificates. All he has to do is produce it.

            And STILL waiting on the non-stupid-sounding reason for not showing it if he has it.

          • dave_in_atl

            I will quit while I am ahead…. Before I say something really mean and get banned.

            As the old adage says…

            “Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

            I unfortunately… did not take its wise advice.

          • Taniwha

            As if you’d get anywhere by convincing little ol’ me, anyway.

            Look, hoss: People, and lots of them, will keep asking, until he joins every other president there’s ever been, and shows where he was born. If you guys think it will stop before then just because you call mean names, well… nothing I can say is going to help you out. The truth is there, and Zero is hiding it, at great, and ever-increasing personal and political expense. He obviously would rather have all this going on than to just present the darn thing. I wish I could think of an *innocent* reason he might feel that way, but I can’t. And evidently, nobody else can, either.

            We’ll get it eventually, and then we’ll know why.

  • nixfu

    I do not believe the conspiracy…however I did notice during the election that state-after-state-after-state basically said ‘its not my job’ to check a presidential candidates credentials..and everyone at the federal levels said ‘the states hold the elections’.

    So basically, you can be from mexico, russia, or mars and still run for president in the us and not a single person will ever ask you for proof of citizenship or any other documentation to backup the requirements as outlined in the Constitution.

    The states need to get some balls and demand the same documentation from federal office candidates on their ballots as the do for the dog catchers.

    THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE, with our election system if you ask me.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      I am sorry that I do not have a time machine that would allow me to go back in time to September 2008 and use my mind control ray on the population to undo that. Until a suitable means of time travel is invented maybe we could instead work to get Republicans who will oppose his agenda elected?

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        Until a suitable means of time travel is invented maybe we could instead work to get Republicans who will oppose his agenda elected?

        You know, getting involved and active with your local Republican Party, making phone calls, stuffing envelopes, walking precincts…etc. It’s much easier to look for a magic wand so I don’t miss any episodes of American Idol.

    • janis

      fix this situation. Not by demanding Obama’s birth certificate after the ’08 election, but by passing a resolution or law that requires an election commission to verify a candidate’s birth certificate in time for the 2012 elections. At last count, there were, I believe, at least 10 who had signed on as sponsors, including Marsha Blackburn-R, of Tennessee.

      That, I would think, would be a reasonable solution to this problem. But for all of you who think that this would be our magic “Get Out of Jail Free” card, you are doomed to disappointment at this point. As Leon and so many others have pointed out repeatedly, the SCOTUS will not take this up no matter who thinks they have standing. Congress is owned lock, stock and barrel by the very people who you’d need to throw the bum out. And, yeah, we already know what an integrity-ridden lot they are, and how much they love the Constitution.

      We’re stuck with the Zero through the next 3 years. Use our time productively and we can have clear-cut issues and info for the voters in 2010 and 2012. Waste time, money and energy on this one thing and we’ll be looking at Obama until 2016. Or longer.

  • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

    You are exactly right about what is and is not going to happen if the ‘birther’ movement succeeds Joe Biden would be (already is?) the President. However, I think you overlook a few things that I will illustrate.

    1. If 0 actually wasn’t born in the US (as alleged) AND if a sufficient number of States pass a law (which some are doing as we speak) requiring a candidate for President to surrender a copy of his original birth certificate before his name can appear on the ballot, then 0 won’t be on the ballot in enough states in 2012 to win, and therefore probably won’t even run for President again. In fact, even if only one large state passes such a law, rather than reveal his birth certificate, he won’t run. That will likely mean that Hillary will be the Dem’s likely candidate in 2012, now she is someone the GOP can defeat.

    2. Biden would be a better President than 0, no question about it. He has experience in both domestic and foreign affairs, and is conservative or moderate on a couple of issues and most importantly, he is not a communist. So that’s a plus for him already (as you can see, 0 has forced me tp drop my standards drastically) Now, of course a conservative Republican would be ideal, but in a choice between the evils, of an empty suit acting as a front man for the Red Army Faction and a doofus liberal, I’d rather have the doofus liberal.

    3. If the ‘birthers’ were successful in documenting that 0 was not born in the US, AND the GOP took control of the House in 2010, the House could hold hearings on the subject and the ensuing media circus/ liberal outrage/ conservative counter outrage, would likely force the man to resign as President because he would be hounded to death, one, because he lied to get the job; two, because he covered it up after he was in office; and three, because its a juicy scandal that would sell papers.

    4. Regarding the Castle incident; As they say in Hollywood, ‘Any publicity, even bad publicity, is good publicity. :)

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      You birthers are ready to tear down our chances to get your cult some notoriety. Anything for publicity.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        I doubt we could help but gain massive seats in 2010 even if we tried

        Obama is self destructing much faster than even this rooster optimist thought

        He is isncreasingly seen as a liar thx to the stimulus and now healh care bills that have provisions in them that Obama knew of and denied

        • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom
          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
        • 6eorge Jetson

          Methinks Zer∅’s policies are election killers. His best chance, IMO, is to fail on healthcare and cap & trade and then win on personality.

        • 6eorge Jetson

          • discerningconservative

            This one is an instant classic!!!!!

    • George Claghorn

      Let’s run candidates that can win against our opponents!

      Nah, that’s just crazy talk.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
    • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

      WOW!

      • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

        It could be argued that Joe would be better because he is more likely to do less harm because he will be less effective in advancing harmful programs.

        Much of course will depend on who his advisors are, because they will be the brains behind the operatioin.

        However, if Joe does become President, it won’t be from a “Birther” scenario.

        • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

          CT, have you already forgotten about the Divided Iraq stance?

          His “foreign policy credentials” wear a bit thin when you realize that he only has them for time served.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            …but stacked up against a committed Communist who’s determined to lead us into a Socialist hell – or worse, Joe is the lesser evil.

            But choosing between Obama and Biden bears a lot of resemblance to choosing between hanging and life imprisonment.

    • Richard Mullins

      5. You birthers are getting abit to kooky and furthermore Joe Biden is a really bad choice. It stick sticks his foot in his mouth more than Ann Richards did here in Texas.

  • http://deafconservative.wordpress.com Cheetah772

    Well…what do I mean that it’s a real and non-issue at the same time? Simple. To me, it’s a real issue, considering the Constitution is the source of legitimacy, and since it is also a legal document, wouldn’t it be prudent of us to make sure all qualifications of a presidential candidate are legal and eligible to run for president? If it’s not so, then we should call him on that one. Though in Obama’s case, it looked like nobody cared where he was born. All of that shows us how little knowledge most Americans have of their supposedly “sacred” Constitution. So, it’s a real issue and a grave concern for our country’s future.

    At the same time, it’s a non-issue, because as you have pointed out, it’s too late to do anything. Moreover, considering the fact that both chambers of Congress are Democratic majorities, it’s not like they will do anything to impeach and remove a Democratic President. We are much better off fighting Obama’s agenda, and make sure he’s a one-time wonder president…just like Carter.

    I have to confess to you, Leon, that Obama refusing to produce the actual birth certificate and other original documents (like college transcripts) does raise some questions about his background. However, neither of us, nor anybody else, can do anything about it. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but that is between Obama and God. Only God knows what is real or not, we’re only human beings, and limited in knowledge and power. Therefore, I would rather spend my energy on fighting on other issues that we know to be true and in every way more important than where Obama was born.

    That is all I will say on this subject. May God be with you in your fight to slow down Obama’s liberal agenda. We need every good man and woman to fight the good fight.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    Besides, the DNC made this document public months ago. Did you all miss it?
    .
    BC_O

    • IJB
    • Dave_in_Fla

      It is worth reading through this entire thread, just to see this!

  • skorrent1

    In that Town Meeting at all. He got booed when he claimed that he had read Cap & Tax before he voted for it. No one in the room believed him. He claimed he would never vote for a health care bill without reading it. No one in the room believed it. He claimed that CO2 was a threat to the planet. Very few in the room believed that. He was rightly booed when he stated that he knew Obama was a US citizen, without offering any proof.

    If the MSM focuses on the “birther” clip without showing his other stupidities, that’s not going to bring opprobrium on the GOP base, only on the MSM and Castle.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Careful, your ignorance is showing.

      Stop before you start to look even more like an idiot.

      • skorrent1

        Castle has no more direct knowledge of BO’s citizenship than I do. For him to declare positive personal knowledge is stupid. A would-be Senator who makes stupid statements should rightly be booed. Just as he was when he said he had read C & T before voting for it.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          Jooooooos installed a foreign insurgent in the White House, and Castle is mean for running for a seat that rightfully belongs to a Democrat.

          You want a Biden as President and Biden’s han d-picked successor as Senator.

          Whatever. Some of us prefer Republicans to win sometimes.

  • William_L

    Since.. we don’t care about that silly Constitution and all..

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Because you know, the whole Obama conspiracy to keep you down goes back to them.

      • nickinvirginia

        N/T

    • William_L

      Then who cares?

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
    • wallahi

      If we could pretend for a moment that we were having a serious discussion instead of entertaining theories that the earth is flat and we never landed on the moon, I think it’s worth asking whether the “natural born citizen” requirement is an anachronism worth changing.

      I’m not the biggest fan of Arnold the Politician, but in so many ways his life story is a Great American Story. It’s kind of a shame, IMHO, that he’s categorically barred from the presidency. Is there really any question whether he’s sufficiently loyal to the USA? What about John McCain? Is there any question that the lefties would be up in arms about McCain being born in Panama if he had won? What about George Romney?

  • http://dezignworx-ae.com tsquare

    This is what makes us different than the Democrats.

    These folks… this woman… gets up in a meeting and says what she says… and you guys want to muzzle her.

    Whoopie goes on The View yesterday and says that the moon landing was a hoax. Nothing is said about her being bat shit crazy, derailing health care and throwing her out of the Democratic Party.

    Let it go.

    Let every GOP leader issue their own ‘and the people spoke’ statement, let the birthers do what they do and let Obama stay up late worrying about it… whatever ‘it’ is.

    As the wise once said:

    ‘Bye boys! Have fun storming the castle!’
    Thank they’ll make it?
    It would take a miracle!’

    I’m off to have a MLT

  • nickinvirginia

    Don’t you think that if there was anything true to this Birther nonsense that Hillary Clinton would have brought it up during the primary? Does anyone doubt that? Furthermore, if you want to argue that “no, she wouldn’t cause they were in the same party,” (although I doubt that would have stopped her presidential ambitions) do you honestly think that John McCain’s campaign would have said nothing about it? If there was any scintilla of proof that Obama wasn’t born in this country John McCain’s campaign and Republican operatives would have been on that like white on rice.

    This “Birther” conspiracy is really sad and pathetic. Whats even sadder is that actual, “legitimate” newsmen like Lou Dobbs are giving credence to this garbage. The man was born in Hawaii on Agust 4, 1961. He has posted his birth certificate online and many fact check organizations have looked at the issue, and every single time found that the birth certificate is legitimate. I think there is a lot of racial undertones to this whole thing and it makes the GOP base look like loonies when crap like what happened at Mike Castle’s town hall meeting gets plastered all over the internet and the media.

    To those who believe this crap: GET A GRIP ON REALITY!

    • eburke

      this issue but I’m thinkin’ John McCain’s falure to bring it up probably isn’t the one you want to go with seeing as how John couldn’t bring himself to say much of anything except that “The One” would make a fine President.

      • Dave_in_Fla

        Not pushing the birth certificate issue is way, way, way, way down the list.

        Pretty much at the top of this list was, well, he’s McCain…

        • eburke

          John shouldn’t have come anywhere near this during the campaign. My only point was that the poster used McCain not using this issue as a ‘proof’ that it is a red herring. By that standard, Obama was a long standing member of the Senate, the banking debacle wasn’t the Dems fault, Obama was a moderate, and his past associations were with the most patriotic and loyal of Americans ’cause he didn’t bring any of those things up either.

          In other words, it’s probably not a good idea to use as ‘proof’ of anything whether or not Johnny Mac brought it up during the campaign because, well, he’s McCain.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Prove it.

      • nickinvirginia

        Leon also mentioned this in his post without extrapolating, but mostly this birther nonsense is followed with he is from Kenya, he is an Arab, muslim, etc. There is an animus toward his race/perceived foreign-ness, by these people. Lets be honest, I don’t really think so many people would have questioned this stuff – I saw 13-18% in some polls last year – if he was a white guy named John Smith or something like that.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          Let’s hear some names. Who are you saying is racist?

          • nickinvirginia

            No one in particular, I just think the Birthers, some of them, have a perceived racial animus against the President, because they think he is black, has a funny name, and they think he is foreign. I’m sorry, but I don’t know the name of crazy lady in red in the above video.

          • nickinvirginia

            because is black, has a funny name, and they think he is foreign. I?m sorry, but I don?t know the name of crazy lady in red in the above video.

    • George Claghorn

      Lou Dobbs has repeatedly schooled Orly Taitz, a birther attorney, on this issue on his show.

      • nickinvirginia

        but then last night, i think it was last night, he seemed to agree sort of with them. Last week on his show that “attorney” was schooled, but it was by a stand-in female anchor.

    • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

      For some reason, there are a few too many Republicans who seem to think it a good idea to get caught up in this nonsense.

  • http://www.meforum.org/ NittanyLion

    I agree with Leon that the Birther issue is a dumb one. It’s not something we want to encourage.

    In fact, I don’t even think they’re worth reprimanding. Most of the Birthers I’ve met are not going to stop just because you tell them to grow up. Criticizing them is a waste of our time and energy. Let’s quit worrying about Birthers/Truthers/LaRouchers/freakazoids and just promote our own ideas.

    After all, a knock is a plug…

  • WarEagle01

    Never have. It’s pretty certain that Barry was born in Hawaii. But even if he wasn’t, as long as his mother had not renounced her American citizenship prior to the birth, Barry was BORN A CITIZEN, which by my reading of the constitution means that he can run for president. Am I missing something here? The constitution says nothing about where someone needs to be born in order to run for the top elective office, as long as they were a citizen when they came into the world. I am in the military and my youngest daughter was born while I was stationed in Italy. She was BORN an American citizen so don’t tell me that she can’t run for president some day.

    • Jaimo

      apparently the law at the time was that if only one parent was a citizen at the time of the birth that parent had to reside in the U.S. for ten years prior to the birth with five of them being after the age of 16. Obama’s mother was just 18 at the time of Obama’s birth.

      Since that time, the laws have changed and the 4th amendment would cover him, since Hawaii was a State at the time of his birth, except no one will prove if he was actually born in Hawaii or not.

      I’d like to know how he traveled to Pakistan in the 80′s when an U.S. passport couldn’t be used. What country’s passport did he use? That might be the clue.

      I agree with one of the comments above, seems like an awful lot of money to spend to keep your college transcripts, school records, passport and medical information secret if you aren’t hiding something.

      • Common_Cents

        Regarding citizenship and Pakistan travel rules.

      • longwalker

        As Obama’s mother was 18 when he was born, it was impossible for her to have resided in the United States for five years after turning sixteen. An impossible qualification will not be enforced in any court.

        As to the passport question – it is a non-issue. Since Obma’s father was a Kenyan national, under Kenyan law, Obama is considered a Kenyan citizen. As Kenya is part of the British Commonwealth, Obama may be entitled to a British passport.

        While living in Indonesia, he was adopted by his mother’s second husband, an Indonesian national. Thus, under Indonesian law, he is a Indonesian citizen. He can legally and rightfully carry and use either a Kenyan or Indonesian passport and, possibily, a British passport without losing his American citizenship.

        Do some basic research and thinking. Members of my family, children of an Irish immigrant who bcame a United States citizen, have Irish passports as well as their American passports. In some places, it may be easier to travel using the Irish passport. It is perfectly legal – look it up.

        As long as one of his parents was an American citizen at the time of his birth, it does not matter, under the Constitution and the various naturlization laws, where he was born. Being a “natural born citizen” does not actually require being born in the United States.

        I suspect that Obama is keeping his records private because releasing them would destroy the illusion that he has cultivated. Just like Kerry’s releasing some of his military records and college transcripts in 2004 revealed that GWB, the “Animal House” frat boy, had a better scholastic record.

    • justawhoaman

      A citizen can run for any office in the country (except POTUS). The ONLY office that requires being “natural born citizen” is POTUS. A dual citizen is not a “natural born” citizen. Eligibility, explained in the Constitution (1787) using the term “natural born citizen” was based upon Vattel’s Law of Nations Book 1 Chapter 19 Section 212 published in 1758.

      There is currently a lawsuit to be heard by the Supreme Court in the fall to uphold this definition. Observing the current “lack of definition” does not mean that there should be no vetting of candidates… it does not mean that the term natural born citizen is irrelevant.

      Meanwhile, no one who is questioning the constitutionality of this “President” by asking for proof of his being eligible is trying to take any kind of attention away from the 2010 or the 2012 elections. We are supporting our conservative candidates where we can. We are trying to point out that we are currently in a Constitutional Crisis, that no law signed by this person will stand, no treaties are valid with an ineligible person in the White House. We are horrified that the Constitution means so little to those who object to our objections… and we are horrified that this country is being taken down by the Cloward Piven strategy so swiftly.

      justawhoaman

  • tankertodd

    It took me a grand total of like 15 seconds to locate a link to Obama’s actual birth certificate. Case closed.

    Besides, if Obama isn’t President, do we REALLY want Biden in the role? Are you KIDDING me? I’d take Obama over that moron any day. Biden is the best life insurance policy a president could ever have. Every time Biden opens his mouth, a nutjob scratches Obama off his list.

    (And America is too important to advocate the assassination of any public official, just in case anyone construes otherwise of my humorous comment above. I wish Obama a long and happy life, with the same outcome, but less busy than Jimmy Carter’s)

    • Dave_in_Fla

      Not going to explain it a 3rd time.

    • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom
    • naraht

      To have one of his Children lose a race for Senate in Nevada? :) :)

  • Jaimo

    We could have a terrorist organization operating in this Country and they could put up a candidate that was actually born in afghanistan, but “they say” he was born here, no one checks and we elect him.

    Then said President plots to destroy our great Country from within, would that be ok “because he was elected by the people”. Why do we have these rules if no one is going to bother following them.

    Let’s run Charles Manson next time, I’m sure there’s a rule against murderers holding public office, oops, sorry strike that.

    Oh, TankerTodd the 15 seconds you took to find a birth certificate on factcheck.org was proven 10 months ago as being fake, there was even a story about it, and also for your information since you bothered to take those 15 seconds to research it, Factcheck.org is funded by the Annenberg Challenge whom Bill Ayers and Barack Obama worked for, so any information coming from them would, in any normal human’s eyes would be suspect.

    I would take “Don’t Mess With Joe” Biden over Obama if Obama is not a legal U.S. citizen. Biden may be dumb, we’ve had dumb Presidents before, Lord knows, but I’d rather have dumb than an evil one that is purposely trying to destroy this Country.

  • sargeantshooter

    If the constitution means what it says, not just sort of suggests, but actually means something, then of course the “birthers” are right to be concerned. You can’t be just a little bit pregnant, and you can’t just be a little bit of a natural born citizen. Part of the reason we have so many of the problems we face today is nobody stood up in the past and forced liberals to show what justification the constitution made for most of the programs they want to inflict on the American people. Should this be a primary concern for the GOP? Nope, but I can’t see how you can denigrate the “birthers” as being like the 9-11 conspiracy nuts. The truthers had absolutely no evidence, the birthers have the evidence of all the money Barry has been spending to fight all the court cases aimed at getting his birth certificate released.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Evidence would be, say, eyewitnesses to his being born someplace other than Hawaii.

      But you people have nothing but your own imaginations.

      • skorrent1

        Like multiple witnesses hearing his grandma say several times that she was present in Mombasa when he was born.

        Maybe not conclusive proof, she may be dotty, but it is evidence.

        • nickinvirginia

          hearsay coming from his grandmother in Kenya vs. multiple fact checking, a birth certificate and many announcements of his birth in Hawaiian newspapers…..cooooome on….this must be one of the grandest conspiracies ever concocted or, simply, its false. I’ll go with the latter.

          • skorrent1

            Those who attempt to rebut the “birthers” can’t even get their facts straight.

            We have multiple witnesses to the statement of a professed eyewitness to his birth in Kenya, versus no one who claims to be an eyewitness in HI, even with a standing $10,000 reward for proof of eyewitness. We have someone in HI who remembers being told by a doctor who was told by another doctor that a woman with a name like Stanley had a baby (or had had a baby, or was going to have a baby),

            The “multiple fact checking” had two internet postings of BO’s birth in one hospital in Honolulu, while a different hospital had posted a letter from BO saying he was born there. All three postings were up for months before a “birther” noted the discrepancy. Oops!

            Poor nick still doesn’t get the difference btw a COLB and a birth certificate.

            No doubt the Obamas were legal residents of HI at the time. It would not be unusual to want the hometown newspapers to announce Junior’s birth, no matter where it took place. Interestingly, none of the announcements mentioned the hospital of birth.

            Two bureaucrats in solid blue HI said they are satisfied that BO was born somewhere in HI, without saying where or describing what they saw. Was it a COLB or a BC? They won’t say.

            Was he born in Kenya or Hawaii? I don’t know. He claims (now) to have been born in Kapi’olani Medical Center, Honolulu. If so, there is a regular, signed, witnessed Birth Certificate sitting in the records of Kapi’olani this very night. For some reason he won’t let anyone see it.

            We don’t have a conspiracy, we have one very stubborn man who refuses (like Clinton with his medical records and Kerry with his military records) to release his records.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Anyone who tries to argue with you is wasting his time.

            Just go buy some more tin foil.

        • George Claghorn

          …Obama’s grandmother is dead. So, it’s inconclusive evidence, because there is no way to verify it.

  • justawhoaman

    BTW, WHAT movement is being lost thanks to “these people”? If you think that showing what liars the democruds are at every turn is not helpful, you are naive. And to what singular “movement” do you refer???

    I will only agree that screaming out in a public forum may not be the best way to represent your interest in constitutionality [rolling my eyes to the sky and taking a deep breath] but showing this Obama guy to be a fraud can only help make more people mad enough to call their congressmen and threaten the democruds to think about NOT passing Crap and Tax and ObamaCare. After all, didn’t Mike Castle support these bills???

    That is why I am involved in the movement to show that Obama is not a natural born citizen. It should bother EVERYONE that he has so completely scrubbed all of his records from public view… and I do mean ALL.

    Meanwhile, I AM calling my Congressmen to vote NO on all these socialist measures. I don’t mention the birth certificate NOR the NBC issue… that is not being voted on yet!

    Justa

    • George Claghorn

      ..that your spittle-flecked rants are really accomplishing anything.

      The entire Birther “movement” shouted about this endlessly during the campaign. Everyone heard it. And yet, somehow, Obama won.

      • skorrent1

        Take a quick skim over the posts here and see where the foaming mouths are. Seems to me the most personal attacks are directed at the “birthers.”

        The subject never made the MSM during the campaign, as you know. It’s just now getting traction, with even Rush laughing that neither God nor Obama have birth certificates. Even posters here on RS are not up to speed, referring to the COLB as a BC. Much as I admire GC, I wonder why he insists that Ann Dunham would make BO a “natural-born” citizen, when the law at the time insisted that the mother be at least 21for that to be so. Much of the criticism of the “birther” position just ignores the facts as they now stand.

        As to the effect on the GOP, it reminds me of the undercurrents of ’92-’93 when Clinton’s womanizing, Whitewater, and Vince Foster were bubbling up. It didn’t keep the GOP, under a strong leader, from taking over without mentioning the bubbles. But they were there. I certainly don’t want the GOP to pull another impeachment fiasco. (When you start out to kill the King, KILL THE KING!) But those who were convinced of a Mena, AR, conspiracy at the time did the GOP no harm, and distracted the left more than the right.

        • George Claghorn

          Just know that this incessant screeching on a trivial matter is a losing strategy. You are not going to get Obama removed from office, scream as you might about how unjust it is for him to serve as president.

          Frankly, I’ll be waiting until we get another chance in 2012.

          • skorrent1

            Grandkids run out of intelligent thought that’s what I hear from them:

            “Oh, whatever.”

          • George Claghorn

            …are you going to address a single point I’ve made in this entire thread, or are you just going to make plaintive cries about the titles of my comments?

            However, if it makes you happy, you can substitute “Oh, whatever” for:

            – This is an unwinnable war.

            – Choose your battles wisely.

            – Are you really willing to make *this* the GOP’s hill to die on?

            Or:

            – Come back when your IQ has surpassed that of a toaster.

          • skorrent1

            If you’re not smart enough to realize that I directly rebutted your assertion that “everyone heard it” during the campaign, you shouldn’t be throwing IQ stones.

            If you’re not smart enough to understand that I consider this not a “hill to die on” or even a war to fight but a thorn in the side of Teh One, and a continuing embarrassment for the Dems, then I suggest you stick your finger in the toaster to see if it’s done.

  • CowboyUp4419

    For all the people out there who still think the birth certificate is an issue, let’s ignore the facts for a moment (since you all seem to be so willing to do so :-/ Is the issue of the birth certificate the best weapon we have to go after Obama? He wasted almost $800 billion dollars on a “stimulus” bill that’s done nothing to revive the economy, he’s poured billions more down the GM and Chrysler memory holes as a sop to his union buddies, he’s currently pushing legislation that will nationalize 1/7 of the US economy and put government in control of our health care and he’s waiting to sign a cap-and-tax bill that will cost the American people trillions of dollars based off the scientifically flimsy idea that human carbon dioxide emissions are warming the planet. He’s doing all that and the best we can come up with is a crackpot unsupported notion he might not have been born in Honolulu? I’d like to think we’re better than that. I’d prefer to beat the left in the arena of ideas. Lord knows they’re making it easy for us.

    • skorrent1

      In 2008 because of his strength in “the arena of ideas”, you must be the only one!

      As long as BO continues to hide his records he has given us a stick to beat him with, just as Kerry’s refusal to release his military records allowed the Swift Boat attack to continue.

      I don’t want the Republican Party to take up this as a main theme, lest it turn out to be a trap, but I’m perfectly willing to see Dems try to defend against it, and have Rush and Ann and Laura make jokes about it. Ridicule is politically powerful stuff, which is what the Dems are trying to use against the “birthers”, just as they tried against the Swift Boaters.

  • lkdavis

    is not losing. We can’t just pick what parts to uphold. The Founders were crystal clear about being a ‘Natural-born citizen’. They had a reason for doing this. Maybe Obama is a citizen and maybe he isn’t. This could be settled quickly and easily. WHY DOESN’T HE JUST RELEASE THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION AND BE DONE WITH IT? WHY FIGHT SO HARD TO KEEP IT HIDDEN?
    The danger is if we ignore this part of the Constitution, what part is ignored next? Will it be the 1st amendment? 2nd? 22nd ( presidential term limits)? How about the 24th (poll tax)? Can’t you see an ‘emergency’ where they declare a need for more money that results in a fee to vote based on your income, ethnicity, or even party affiliation? Don’t laugh. As we have seen, anything is possible with this administration.
    THINK ABOUT IT.

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist. Just putting a thought out there for you to think about.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    My quick two cents. I respect the truth and those that seek. Is it a winning or even important political issue, no.

    And I think there are two issues. 1) The Constitution; and 2) Obama as a ‘Manchurian’ Muslim.

    The former is legit. The latter is stupid. That’s what really makes birthers look silly. Plus it de-legitimizes Obama’s real subversive nature, as a neo-Marxist. You can’t be a Muslim and a liberal or a Marxists. That just makes Right Wingers look zany, when they throw every negative label under the sun on him.

    He’s a product of Harvard and Hyde Park, not Kenya or Jakarta. He’s not a disciple of Mohammad. He is a disciple of Bill Ayers. And that?s bad enough.

    • dave_in_atl

      Possibly the most reasoned post in this entire thread.

    • penguin2

      on something we can do nothing about. He was voted in, nothing is going to change that. His replacements would be just as bad, Biden, Pelosi, though Biden would give us more laughs),

      To me, he has been the stealth candidate all along. I have questions about his college and medical records that have been hidden away. No one has produced anything; college transcripts, papers, passport info. I believe they created this empty suit and fooled the American people. It is a done, dead deal. Though I do think that people being suspicious about him can work to our advantage.

      People are upset with Obama, and are latching on to anything and everything to aid them in finding relief because of their anger at being duped. We just need to help channel that anger to make the right arguments.

      • lkdavis

        he would probably find a way to nuke himself during a speech to Congress.

      • The_Rebel

        We had our chance in 2008 to fully vet everything you mentioned, yet we let the MSM and the Dems roll right over us. If they can elect this empty suit and deceive the American people once, they can certainly do it again. We can have all of the right arguments but still have a flawed candidate like McCain.

        We saw how MoveOn.org and others controlled the media agenda during the last election. Obama was the least vetted presidential candidate in our history. If we cannot control the means of delivery of our message, then the American people can be fooled again.

        We need to find another Lee Atwater, with his “take-no-prisoners” style of politics. Imagine for a moment that the prisoners were released from Gitmo in the next year or so, and that some were released in the U.S. Imagine also that one or more of them commit acts of murder, torture, or terrorism. The person we need running this party would do what Lee Atwater did in 1988 with the Willie Horton furlough. Atwater was a cold-blooded strategist. Until we get rid of our mamby pamby, look over-the-shoulder strategists, being right on all of the issues won’t help us win.

        • penguin2

          The people. The MSM and all the Dems and some Rep. were all complicit in hiding who he really is and what he believed. No matter what information trickled out there, the people would not listen.

          Since the election, and his coming to office a couple of million more jobs have been lost, he has passed huge spending bills running up the deficit and there is a residual ‘bad taste’ in people’s mouths related to the takeover by him of the auto industry. The news that is getting out there now about health care and cap and trade(tax), will also add to the recognition of his Socialist agenda. People are slowly seeing that the Stimulus bills were payoffs to his supporters. I have also heard that this may be a “jobless” recovery. That is not going to go down well.

          We weren’t having tea parties prior to the election; he had an unpopular party and president and the natural cycle of parties changing out of the White House after eight years. He had “the perfect storm.” I’m praying and hoping and willing to work to make sure that we will have the “perfect storm” the next time.

          You’re right, I would like to see GOP “namby-pamby” behavior go away.

    • George Claghorn
  • Tbone

    this subject seems to have out distanced most other more “serious” topics.

    As such, I just want to note that the dumbest, most slobbery, tinfoil hat wearing “birther’s” vote counts exactly the same as yours.

    This is a political reality.

  • Richard Mullins
  • BAW

    But this article and a great number of the comments strike we as going after the “birthers” like LGF goes after “creationists.”

    I don’t “belong” to either group but I find such “attacks” offensive.

    I have a lot of other thoughts and things I might like to say but since I may be overreacting, I won’t.

  • http://cib4me.blogspot.com mrdadx6

    People referred to as “Birthers” suspect that BHO may not be legally a natural-born citizen, as required of the POTUS by the Constitution.

    People who think “Birthers” are stupid, think that we should focus on republican wins, rather than issues that make us sound like we’re nutjobs when the media interview us on TV.

    I’m sorry, I’ll take constitutionality over popularity any day.

    Oh, darn, proving he’s not a natural born citizen won’t get him removed from office, you say? Well, heck, no point in getting all up-in-arms about strictly sticking to our Constitution, then. Lets focus our efforts on winning, because that’s more important!

    Republicans are losers because 1) they care more about being popular and not “sounding crazy” in the media, mostly because they don’t know how to get directly to the people, 2) because they aren’t willing to play hardball with the opposition, and let SWSNBN get run over by a steamroller without saying boo to a goose, and 3) because they only want to “win” so they can implement their policies, not because they actually have principles, like a steadfast adherence to the US Constitution.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Go back to Daily Kos, troll, if you think Republicans are such losers.

      PS: The Jooooooos are watching.

    • 6eorge Jetson

      nt

      • roscopico

        “Let me be clear…”
        “As I’ve said repeatedly…”
        “Now let me be perfectly honest…”

  • Jack_Savage

    Neither one has a birth certificate.

    I tell that joke for a reason, and having said that, here is what I believe the difference is between “birthers” and “truthers”.

    1) The above joke is kinda funny, and it sticks.
    2) The truther’s claims were implausible on their face, and made them look like unpatriotic idiots. The birther’s claims have really not been disproven, and stick due to the simple unwillingness of Obama to produce what normal people consider a birth certificate. Sort of a “hell, if I can do it, why can’t he?” And getting back to the joke, I am here to tell you it works at the water cooler,and if it works at the water cooler, it’s not good for the subject of the joke.
    3) The reason he doesn’t produce what would be deemed satisfactory is probably the same embarrassing type of reason Kerry didn’t produce his Yale records (worse grades than W), which only adds fuel to the fire.

    In conclusion, as GC has said the mother’s nationality is the controlling factor *legally*, and that issue is settled. Obama won the election, period, and nothing can or should be done about it other than working our butts off for 2010.

    But this is not a legal issue, so I must disagree with Leon. The issue is easily understood by the huddled masses and just lends credence (believe it or not) to the perception that Obama is some hologram that came from nowhere and is a product of the press and a great marketing campaign. I don’t see where that is harmful to us in the long run provided we….

    ….distance ourselves from the birthers (like Castle did), concentrate on the big things, but benefit from whatever damage they inflict. Americans really love a good conspiracy theory, and from the very heated reactions to the Castle thing on left wing TV tonight, this is a bit of a thorn for Obama.

    Hey – I thought of another one. You know why Obama doesn’t want to enroll in government run health-care? He’s not a citizen.

    Gotta go. There’s a joooo looking in my window.

    • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

      but you forget that non-citizens are covered by Obamacare.

      It’s funny anyway.

  • JX12

    There seems to have been a lot of energy spent here arguing over the adverse impact birthers may be having on the chances of a Republican winning Joe Biden’s seat. That’s all well and good, but based on Leon Wolf’s own observations about Mike Castle in the original post, I’m having a hard time understanding how he can win that seat anyway – birthers or no birthers.

    He’s a RINO. How the GOP sees the benefit in running a RINO (even in Delaware) is beyond me. That fact alone could seriously cripple his candidacy because the base will not unite behind him.

    Seems to me the birthers could do little more to hurt Mike Castle’s candidacy than he’s already done to himself with his own record.