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Someone at the RNC Must be Fired Over This.

Time to find out who.

By: Leon H. Wolf (Diary)  |  November 12th, 2009 at 09:14 PM  | 

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Let’s keep this simple.  Word got out today via Politico that the RNC’s health care package for their employees covers abortions. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, if you at any time have donated to the RNC since 1991 (when this policy apparently took place), some incremental portion of your donation went to the administrative costs of running the RNC, including employee salaries and benefits packages. Part of “benefits packages” in this context is apparently a health care package that pays for abortions.

For thirty years, we have fought tooth and nail to prevent our tax money from being used to pay for abortions. Turns out, we were apparently doing it through donating to the political party that was ostensibly on our side.  This betrayal is so fundamental to the majority of people who donate to the RNC that it’s almost unspeakable.  I have no doubt that many of the staffers there will miss the point, so allow me to make it clearly: you have caused every person who donated to support your livelihood to become involved in what they perceive to be a grave moral evil.

The RNC’s defense thus far seems to be excusable negligence; blaming it on some (surely departed) staffer who checked a box almost 20 years ago, and whoops, we weren’t careful enough. So sorry. It won’t happen again.

Not good enough.

Not even close.

Companies regularly renegotiate health contracts – every year or every two years at most. Someone, at the very least, a human resources person, looks over these contracts.  Or at least, that is their job.  If they were unclear about what it said, they have these things called lawyers who can help. 

In order for the RNC to regain the trust of their donors, they must disclose the names of all people involved in any way of the selection of their health care plan. And those people must be summarily fired. No severance packages, no golden parachutes; fired. For cause.

No pro-lifer in good conscience can give them a dime until this happens.

IF YOU HAVE DONATED TO THE RNC AT ANY TIME SINCE 1991 CALL THEM AT (202) 863-8500. GET NAMES. DEMAND REFUNDS UNLESS THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. IF THEY DON’T HEAR DIRECTLY FROM YOU THEY WILL DO NOTHING.

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  • bags64

    please say it isn’t.

  • nolan

    I’ve refused to give $ to the RCCC and RSCC for a while and everytime they’ve sent a solicitation, I’ve handwritten “Not until you start fighting for what we are supposeed to fight for” or something similar.
    This is ‘gonna be real interesting in the coming weeks. I suggest we hold off any third- party talk until after reid brings obamacare to the floor. The dems may do something stupid and shoot eachother over Stupak, but then again, they may smell blood in the water!

  • USNJIMRET

    And not before in the twenty years it has been on the books.
    Seems like something that could have, and might yet, really hurt the Republican party and it’s stance against abortion.
    Lord knows how much the left loves to completely defuse a discussion with a “Oh yeah, well YOU……”
    If anyone covered by this benefits package can be shown to have ever actually gotten an abortion…..flames and Oh crap!!
    And yes, anyone who ever donated a dime to the RNC has a right to at least a refund.
    Sometimes the level of stupidity in just incredible!

  • udtiger

    The Republican Party is blessed with the unique ability to call in the circular firing squad at the most inopportune moments.

  • http://davesnotepad.blogspot.com/ Dave

    …and I haven’t looked back since.

    The Republican Party renewed its leftward slide before Ronald Reagan had even left office.

    Too bad so many missed that.

    -Dave

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      You may have missed thait this is a Republican site.

      If you don’t like it, you should consider finding a different site.

      • keithcottingham

        I thought this was a conservative site.

        • Leon H. Wolf

          http://www.redstate.com/posting-rules/

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          Like it or lump it.

          • DONTREADONME

            subtitle to Redstate… A conservative and republican “thinktank”.

          • keithcottingham

            I enjoy this site thoroughly and wasn’t trying to get off-topic nor “stir the pudding.” Mea culpa.

            That said, good post – I sincerely hope the RNC can start giving us reasons to work with it.

          • conservativemusician

            But I’ve seen numerous posts on this site in recent days from Erick himself that have encouraged us to donate directly to candidates, not to the GOP establishment, because they have a tendency to endorse 1) left of center candidates, 2) candidates with little or no conservative values, or 3) candidates that aren’t conservative at all and are actually Democrats (Costaffava in NY, Christ in FL, etc. are two glaring examples of how the GOP establishment has let us down big time).

            I am a conservative through and through, but the RNC will not see a dime from me until they start flying right and representing the conservative base. Why should I throw away my hard earned money to people who do not have my best interests as a conservative at heart? I don’t think this makes me disloyal to either the Republican party or conservatives, so I will donate directly to conservative candidates in the primaries and then support whoever turns out to be the GOP nominee, like I did when I held my nose and voted for McCain. I will not desert the GOP, even though it has warts. Sound reasonable to you?

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            As long as you see that, we’re good.

          • conservativemusician

            555

  • makemyday

    We really don’t want you guys to fail, we want to help you win. But I have to tell you sir, if you guys keep shooting yourselves in the foot we can do nothing for you. At least get a full investigation into what transpired when and why this was not corrected if indeed it was an oversite. I think an apology to all Pro-Lifers is the very least which we should expect. That being said, how in the h*ll can you legitimately call for health reform with no government sponsored abortion and allow abortions in your own health plan? Talk about the height of hypocrisy and we say the left is full it.

    • RedInABleuState
  • malbis

    …to the people in charge of the RNC than this?

    And I know that we are supposed not to voice sentiments like this, but how much are we expected to take? Support for Crist? Putting Scozzafava in as a Republican candidate in a district that has always voted Republican? Telling Conservatives to stop complaining and shooting the party in the foot because we are out of step with what it takes to win elections? Governing like tax-and-spend liberals when in power?

    Why should we be surprised at this? The party needs a thorough house-cleaning at the highest levels or they are going to go the way of the Whigs.

    From the 1940 feature film Ghost Breakers, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard:

    Scientist: “It?s worse than horrible, because a Zombie has no will of his own. You see them some times, walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.”

    Bob Hope: “You mean, like Democrats?”

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    …women on the RNC staff availed themselves of the benefit?

    If they stupidly paid for something no one used, meh, just stupid. But if someone on the RNC staff actually had an abortion, that’s a big deal.

  • jcincy

    Yet another reason to change campaign finance laws. It’s time to eliminate: the RNC, DNC etc… and every committee that simply launders money from the donor and distributes it to the candidates of THEIR choice.

    Let me give directly in any amount I want to the candidate of my choice. This eliminates the middle man and all the corruption that goes with it. Fully disclose on the internet every dollar donated.

    This would also help to eliminate the two party dominance that is killing our republic.

  • ktsub

    This is coming out now to drive another break in the conservative movement and the Republican Party, to the benifit of Democrats.

    They will correct this, but I am not at all suprised, some states require abortion services as part of insurance coverages. Hope this was a simple oversight, 20 years in the making.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      And doesn’t cover abortions is pretty good proof that this wasn’t mandated.

      I am less concerned with how this came out and why than I am that it’s happening.

    • Menlo

      If you read the article, you can see the CEO of Planned Parenthood is using it as a vehicle to make a phony argument against the Stupak Amendment.

      • joayn

        The Democrats, with the authors of the article, WANT to remove the Stupak amendment and will use any means to do it. They’re pulling an Alinsky.

        This is purely a political distraction to cause major upheaval and distract Repulicans from the real issue, and Republicans must not fall for it. Let Michael Steele iron this out, but do not let the Dems define us this way.

        I would prefer to find out exactly what is in the policy. If the policy is in California, for example, abortion is covered because of potential lawsuits. But I believe it’s available only for specific medical reasons. Policies differ from state to state.

        Just remember, this is not about abortion in a private policy, it’s about tax payer’s money being spent on abortions.

        • unfatmatt

          It doesn’t matter that it is coming out now for political reasons on the left, it matters that it happened in the first place.

  • jeffreywturner

    It really typifies how the elitist Republicans don’t really share the values of the rank and file conservatives.

    They probably see us as “bitterly clinging to our guns and religion” like another famous elitist.

    I don’t want to blame it on Steele just yet, seeing as how he has been there less than a year, but as someone already commented, at some point since this began, someone very high up within the organization HAD to sign off on this, and if this person is still employed there, he or she needs to be fired YESTERDAY, and Steele needs to issue an official, written apology, throwing the RNC on the mercy of all people with a soul.

  • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

    Better than that: Name a company that even puts abortion coverage in their standard sales lit. You probably can’t, because they don’t. It is typically included in one of the inpatient categories. I’d be willing to bet if everyone here called their group health insurance plans, they too would be subsidizing abortions through their premiums.

    • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

      …so they have no excuse to have failed to exercise due diligence.

      And yes, there are insurance policies around that don’t cover abortions – but you do have to look a bit harder for them.

    • SteveLA

      Brian

      I’m not even sure if a public company could get away with offering heath care without some soft of abortion coverage under the banner of reproductive care without being sued. But the RNC is not a public company, so that goes out the window.

      If I read this right, this “coverage” has been in place sense 1991, is it not then a question that should be asked of other past heads of the RNC of why it has been there for so long, or is just another excuse to beat on Steele for some folks?

      Who are the other past heads of the RNC, what did they know and when, legitimate questions if you are looking for accountability.

    • DONTREADONME

      a necessary inpatient procedure to save the patients life.

      • DONTREADONME

        insurance policy. Same goes with any infertility treatment unless it is to treat an underlying medical problem. Seems to me that they consider abortin to be an elective surgery unless medically necessary.

      • SteveLA

        ?The policy does not cover abortions unless the life of the mother is in danger,? the NRCC spokeswoman said.

        I don’t believe the current Republican party plank on abortion allows for exemptions for life of the mother, rape or incest, so coverage of an abortion when the mothers’ life is at risk is at odds with the stated party platform.

        • DONTREADONME

          life of the mother has never ever been an issue with the party platform.

          Next, I have the real problem with the golden calf that is the three reasons for abortion that you stated, I frankly think if its rape and incest you better have proof, or for that matter better get to emergency contraception ASAP. This BS that those are the death planks of the GOP is very deserving of someone from your geographical location, LA.

          BTW, I wasn’t arguing with anyone here.

          Lastly, SteveLA is there a moderate forum that you could go visit like Redstatelite? Do you like arguing with everyone? If so, you’re on the right website

          • martyinaz

            God, how I wish I could vote Libertarian, and know it would mean something. Since I was old enough to vote, I was a student of American history, an advocate of Austrian Economics and limited government. So, I am by all counts a true Libertarian. The problem has always been, I had to pick the lesser taskmaster; that?s the one who would deliver only ten lashes (Rs) instead of 20 (Ds). I would rather be free of our government, and receive NO lashes. But alas, we have a two party system. And voting my true conscience would only water down the chances of getting the lesser taskmaster.

            I have to put the question to you: What do you expect to happen in 2010? As a Libertarian who has had to move toward the center all my life, I think we, as first conservatives then Republicans, have a challenge ahead that without some compromise we will lose 2010 to even more Democrats. That thought is repulsive to me. Without a House majority we will be unable to silence Obama, and rid the House of Speaker Pelosi. I feel the answer is simple. We have got to soften up a little. If we cannot, our message will sound the same as it did a year ago. Do you honestly believe that hard-core conservatives can convince a majority of the voters, the same group who put Obama in office, to shift to the hard right and support staunch conservative candidates?

    • clement

      This was an opt-in plan. Someone checked a box to get the, uh, ‘premium’ coverage including abortions. They simply could have not have that covered quite easily.

      • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

        Having sat on the sales side of some of these situations, its typically something that gets overlooked.

    • Menlo

      I believe five states, including Missouri, prohibit insurance companies from including abortion coverage unless purchased as a separate rider. I’m not sure if that applies to group coverage.

      Also, like federal government plans, some state and local agencies exclude abortion coverage for their employees.

      I don’t think ANY individual or association policy covers elective abortion. Most group policies probably do as it is generally included wherever maternity coverage is.

    • eburke

      Next question?

  • pollux

    This is all CIGNA’s fault, the RNC just sent an email to the members of the RNC: “The story was published this afternoon with much of the information on our policy being provided by CIGNA.”

    The same memo says that, “He (Chairman M Steele) has been engaged by phone on this issue.”

    If he’s, “…engaged by phone…” and, “…takes this issue very seriously” and, “…review of our health insurance policy has been underway for some time…” as the memo says, this is totally CIGNA’s fault, not the RNC — how could the RNC keep track of something like this? Nobody would have even known if CIGNA had just hushed and covered this up.

    Here’s the guy at CIGNA (it’s publicly on their website) http://newsroom.cigna.com/contacts/
    Corporate and Financial News
    Chris Curran
    Telephone: 215.470.2414
    E-mail: chris.curran@cigna.com

    How do we start boycotting CIGNA?

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Yeah, if I were the RNC, I’d be pissed at Cigna. Myself, I’m pissed at the RNC.

      • pollux

        But Steele said, “Money from our loyal donors should not be used for this purpose,” Chairman Michael Steele said in a statement. “I don’t know why this policy existed in the past, but it will not exist under my administration.

        “Consider this issue settled.”

        Sounds like it’s settled with the RNC, if they don’t want a boycott of CIGNA I disagree but will go along since they know what’s best…

    • joayn

      is more like it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the employees find themselves out of jobs if the company can identify them. I seriously doubt Cigna will take this lightly. This is a major violation of their ethics and integrity policy regarding the safety of client records.

      This is bad, bad, bad for Cigna.

    • martyinaz

      Boycot CIGNA is a good idea . Here is an almost unbelievable fact on that insurance co. My son-in-law is a physician who once worked there in their HMO. .. until he found out they pay Dr.s a bonus if they withold expensive tests! Now THAT is an excellent reason to boycot them, that is if you value your life.

      • samdallas

        As much as I think socialized medicine is a disaster, anybody that thinks our current system is good is an idiot. CIGNA is AWFUL. We have had to fight them tooth and nail on every procedure. Their MO seems to be to stall and delay until you get tired or die. Sort of like a good angler.

  • RoscoeP

    Next thing I know my Redstate bookmark will take me straight to the HuffingtonPuffington. Of all the things that the RNC does wrong, this is where we make our stand? I’m just sayin’ . . . Rush is right when it comes to “one issue voters.”

    • Leon H. Wolf

      I’m not in a mood to defend myself to you or to be called a crypto-liberal. Probably the best thing for you to do is just walk away from the thread slowly.

      Rush is also right about moderates.

      • RoscoeP

        So if Rush is right about moderates, then you would agree, he’s right about one issue voters. Don’t let the RNC behind the curtain distract you from the true threat to the Republic. The RNC got some splainin’ to do, but they’ll just have to take a number.

        • JadedByPolitics

          this is about where the DOLLARS that good Republican Americans send to the RNC go to and if they are angry about the 900K to Sozzafava then I am quite sure they are ABSOLUTELY LIVID that it would go to support abortions!

          The RNC has a duty to spend those dollars they receive from well intentioned donors to where they can win elections not KILL babies!

      • leftylurker

        I’m going to tell everyone about you coming to my Winter Solstice party, drinking a bunch of wine spritzers, and singing L’Internationale.

  • mschmitt

    … that nobody — and I mean, nobody — working in the RNC over the last twenty or so years noticed that aborts were covered in their own packet and said to themselves, “hey, this seems like it could be a political problem for us down the road.”

    As the outsiders; are we to believe, then, (A) that nobody in the RNC reads anything, (B) that they couldn’t comprehend what they were reading, (C) that nobody saw it as a political problem (maybe just because they didn’t think they’d be found out), or (D) that they were they too afraid to speak up to leadership?

    And, really, regardless of whether you personally agree with the pro-life argument, which of those options are you most comfortable with?

    Sure, the Politico piece was timed to do maximum damage; but that doesn’t negate or forgive political stupidity on such a monumental scale.

    • sharonmcp

      “are we to believe, then, (A) that nobody in the RNC reads anything, (B) that they couldn?t comprehend what they were reading, (C) that nobody saw it as a political problem (maybe just because they didn?t think they?d be found out), or (D) that they were they too afraid to speak up to leadership?”

      After the Dede Scozzafava debaucle, I’m inclined to answer, yes, yes, yes and yes.

  • http://www.jeannie-ology.com jeannieology

    Shame on those hypocrites

    www.jeannie-ology.com

  • VinceP1974

    This is what I said over at Hot Air..

    Who gives a crap.

    Stop falling for your enemy?s ability to play you like a violin. Stop beating up your own side.

    Idiots, I swear.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      1) No one cares what you said at Hot Air.

      2) *I* give a crap. More importantly, the entirety of RedState’s management gives a crap about this issue.

      3) I suppose, in your infinite wisdom, that there is nothing the Republican party could to deserve being beaten up upon? Whatever they do, no matter how horrendous, should not be questioned or criticized? And doing so constitutes being “played like a violin?”

      4) Unfortunately for you, that’s one more insult to my intelligence than I’m willing to tolerate for the week. Goodbye. Complaints to the contact form.

      • qurys

        do I need to say more?

    • joayn

      Wait and see what happens. I think this looks worse for Cigna.

      Henny Pennys wear me out.

  • mrbobl7388

    between the Dems and the Reps. How many times have you heard someone say that and use it for their excuse not to vote? Well folks, THAT is why we are going to start electing CONSERVATIVES and NOT republicans. These old style republicans should feel the urge to follow their big grey mascots to the boneyard expire quietly. (Might be a good idea for real Conservatives to get a new symbol so there will be NO indication that they are part of the old gang). We need a massive effort for November 2010 to show both major parties that the Americans are AWAKE.
    TERM LIMITS NOW — DON’T REELECT ANYBODY

    • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

      How about A hand with a great big middle finger. That’s how I feel about all the liberals and all the rinos that enable them.

  • lockedandloaded

    I have to believe this applies to what Jesus was talking about when he said,

    “And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
    And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.” Mark 9:42-43

    How many gave to the RNC with childlike innocence, trusting that the organization would stand up for their values, namely, an abhorrence of abortion based on Christian understanding of Jesus’s and His Father’s love for their children?

    Time to cut off the RNC – and any who would betray us.

  • qurys

    out of Turbo Tax Tim’s tax defense. Didn’t check the right box? Surely you can’t be serious. Didn’t read the bill…surely you can’t be serious.
    Didn’t have all the facts….surely you can’t be serious. The army of stupidoes is cutting a swath through this fruited plain…and I for one….am having NO MORE OF IT.
    Paying for murder….NO…insuring murder….is not the business of the RNC…and there is no mere explanation or Mea Culpa that will make this one go away.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Frankly, nobody wants to see our party organizations emptied of the dead wood that led us into the current morass more than I. Secondarily, I am also very much personally opposed to abortion as is, I believe philosophically, the RNC.

    But as an up and coming lawyer, I would hope you are predisposed to asking questions first and shooting the guilty later. Personally, I always consider the source and am more interested in the remedy rather than cause of the malady. So I will give Steele a pass until hearing what will be done. By the way, this is not a shot at you personally since based on what I have read over the years in my opinion is you are a smart, passionate individual.

    Now, I checked both with my insurance company and some career benefits people in my own organization. You know what I heard? Crickets. These are good, knowledgeable people who just could not answer the questions since they never managed that level of detail. The insurance company? Our representative said the wording was so vague they were not certain how to answer. As of today, they advised I will have an answer next week. As an aside, I am not sitting by the phone.

    Lastly, I have a severe distaste for people with questionable motives, that provoke what they believe is predictable behavior by seeking out and publishing controversial tidbits with a goal of creating chaos. My opinion, this one doesn’t yet pass the sniff test and I will wait for full disclosure and action before seeking penalty for the guilty.

  • blondi2

    Yes I agree that this is a very important issue!It shows that they aren’t who they tell us they are.We’ have had enough of phonies,and if they can’t be truthful with us then they aren’t any different than the Dems.Not to change the subject,but next month Obama is meeting in Copenhagen to sign the Cap N Trade Bill.If this is signed by our so called Chief we will have the largest tax on us that we will never get out of! We will have turned over our Soverenty to the UN! I know everyone is talking about the elections next year,but this is going to happen next month! Call your Senators and tell them to stop this Now! We won’t have a government of our own to worry about voting for! This bill is much more than energy policies! It changes our currency, gives the UN authority over our lives and our troops,and our oceans will all be owned by the UN! They will be the ones calling the shots for what used to be America. Our troops are already wearing insegnias that call us the Northern Command Unite,with the colors of the UN on them.Obama will sign this bill,because he will be our dictator from then on! He doesn’t care about the elections,why should he! He will be our Dictator from now on! Wake up people,they are way ahead of us and causing deversions to keep us from knowing what is really going on. Remember December 7th.is when this signing will start to unfold! that That is 24 days away! 24 Days AWAY! We have much more important things to get our represenatives on right now! People Wake Up! This is a shell game ,look over there,so we can do this over here!THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE GOING TO GIVE UP AMERICA TO THE UN!!!!!! DO YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN? WELL IT IS HAPPENING NOW AS WE SPEAK!!!!CALL YOUR SENATORS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!! REMEMBER 24 DAYS AWAY!!!!!

    • pollux

      Really? December 7th? Pearl Harbor Day?

  • Duke

    Since the McLame debacle, I quit donating to the Republican Party. If I like a candidate for a given office I’ll send them a check directly. Why should I allow any proxy, whether GOP, UAW, or [fill in the blank] to determine where to spend my money, and what causes to support on my behalf?

    This abortion incident just goes to show why my approach is the correct way for all of us to support the correct candidate.

    Have a great Conservative weekend!

  • apatriot1

    Republicans used to represent the average conservative, but no more.

    They backed NAFTA and GATT which caused our manufacturing to leave the country, and left a vast amount of people unemployed.

    They backed illegal immigration, which caused us all to loose even more jobs, and caused us to have to pay for health care, schooling, welfare, and their crimes.

    They continually allow H1B visas even though almost all engineers are laid off, as most of the jobs went overseas (after NAFTA and GATT).

    When they were in the House, Senate and Presidency, did we see vouchers (so we can choose our child’s school) approved? NO!!!

    Now they caused conservatives to pay for abortions which is abhorrent to conservatives.

    Well, either the Republicans need to go back to square one and be leaders who support conservative values, or we need to get behind those who will.

    • aesthete

      WRT free trade and the “sending our jobs overseas” canard.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Who’d a thunk the Democrats wouldn’t stoop to that in a pinch?

    I am prolife and yet I pay for abortions … oops, I pay local taxes and our left-liberal local Govt officials fund it, against our will … and actually WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE of many involved.

    I am not surprised the liberals are trying to smear/target the RNC over this … I am surprised that we have Redstate falling for it too though. This is likely a case of simple IGNORANCE, that whatever package they signed up for had those ‘benefits’ and it was signed on the dotted line. As such, while someone might need to chastised and the problem corrected, over-reacting is folly. Fix the problem and announce clearly that WHATEVER is in the RNC health insurance has zero bearing on ObamaCare.

    Think first and get the data before jumping to conclusions. And dont let a phony ad hominem argument from the other side drive us.

  • chuckwagon2u

    So we now learn the RNC is really Pro-Abortion. What a lark. All the press,hot air and sucking up to the so called Christian Conservatives when all along they are providing insurance to cover abortion. No wonder they want to dump conservatives and become MODERATES with their WIDE NET CASTING.
    If this country doesn’t form a true party to represent theirviews there will be a One party system before you can even spell ABORTION.

    Now that the truth is coming out it is time to start cleaning political houses.

  • jayburd

    There’s room in the big tent for everybody,,,,,except unborn babies.

  • blondi2

    If McCaine is the best that the Repubs can come up with,or Scossafava, then there is no Republican party.If it hadn’t been for Palin,McCaine would have had no stance at all! She woke up the people,gave them hope,and made them believe in politicians at least until they started telling her what to say.They should have had her do all the talking,She should have been the presidential electorate.McCaine is so middle that he is unnecessary!He is for gay rights,immigration,abortion,and apparently big government.He doesn’t have a clue what the Republicans want, for that matter neither do most of the Republicans.They have gone completely away from what we want,and they don’t even know it!People,Obama is going to sign CapN Trade December 7th.-18th.,09! If he does we will be giving up our soverenty and our constitutionand all our money and freedom to the UN! Please call your reps now and tell them to stop this !NOW! We will not be able to take it back ever! No matter who we vote in,the UN will be telling us what to do from now on,and our soldiers too! We will be loosing our freedom! We will be a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT! Please call them over and over until they see we really need to stop this! We don’t have very much time!Call them ,fax them,email them! Stop him before it is too late!We will not be able to take it back once it is signed!What makes me so mad about this is that OBAMA,PALOSI,and REID are doing this without even asking the American people! AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY ARE HIDEING IT FROM US! THIS IS TREASON!!!!!!!!!THIS IS AN ACT AGAINST AMERICA!!!!!!!!THIS IS AN ACT AGAINST FREEDOM! STOP THEM BEFORE IT IS TOOO LATE!!!!!!!!THE DEMOCRAT LIBERALS WILL BE IN POWER PERMANENTLY!!!!!!!!!!!OBAMA WILL BE OUR DICTATOR!!!!!!!!!!!FOREVER!!!!!!!HUGO CHAVEZ!!!!!Please stop them NOW!!!!!!!!!

  • blondi2

    I don’t understand why you keep telling me I have said this before! Do you not see the urgency of this matter? I don’t understand why you act like this is not important! Is it because you don’t believe it? Please tell me why this seems to be a non issue to you!!!!!! 21 days from now we could loose everything and this isn’t important? I would really like an answer from Redstate on this matter.

    • mom2oneson
      • penguin2

        the global Climate Change pact to be signed by major countries in Copenhagen in December. Moby/troll because she can’t spell McCain, no paragraphs, shilling for Sarah in a silly manner and general all around, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, shouting at us.

        • mom2oneson

          I was feeling so bad, I thought maybe people didn’t notice a concern she was really worried about.

  • muffin
    • mom2oneson

      I think it’s a term coined at RS. I think it’s someone that appears with conservative intentions but really isn’t or is just here to cause problems sort of under disguise. I’m not 100% sure though, just to give an answer since I saw your question. It’s not a good thing. Sometimes people are accused of being a moby but they aren’t but usually they are. It’s not a good label I know that for sure.

  • muffin

    I thought it might be an acronym or something like that. I tried looking it up at Net Lingo, but it wasn’t there.