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A Few Words on RedState and Mark Kirk

So last night, in a race that wasn’t particularly close, Congressman Mark Kirk soundly routed all his GOP primary opponents (including Tea Party favorite Patrick Hughes) in the bid for Barack Obama’s old Senate seat.  I know a lot of RedStaters were pulling for Hughes and/or have a lot of personal distate for Kirk.  This post is to hopefully help everyone understand our gameplan for the Illinois Senate Seat now that Kirk is the nominee.

First, let me say that I can certainly emphathize with anyone who can’t donate to or vote for Mark Kirk.  To begin with, Kirk is pro-choice, and my own personal pro-life convictions prevent me from donating to or voting for any avowedly pro-choice candidates.  Furthermore, it has long been RedState site policy to only endorse pro-life candidates, and that will not change in this race.  Furthermore, Kirk has cast a number of other votes (most recently on cap-and-tax) that have infuriated conservatives of all stripes.  I don’t believe anyone here at RedState would begrudge our readers some honest objections to supporting Kirk.

However …

There are a couple of points to be made about this race and how it turned out.  First, Kirk’s win was not the result of some nefarious party or NRSC conspiracy to suppress conservative candidates.  Mark Kirk simply was the best representative for GOP primary voters in Illinois, in the considered opinion of those voters.  You can’t even blame his win on a failure of the anti-Kirk sentiment to coalesce around a single candidate; Kirk comfortably topped 50 per cent, which means that even if it were a heads-up race between Kirk and Hughes, Kirk would have won comfortably.  For many years, Kirk has been successfully cultivating his political fortunes with Illinois voters (yes, even the Republican ones), and his win was deserved on the merits, and was accurately reflective of the Illinois GOP.  This is NOT a case where the primary system was short-circuited or where the “establishment” spent a bunch of money to flood out an equally-viable conservative alternative.  The primary voters in Illinois have spoken, and spoken loudly, and their choice should be respected.

Second, although Kirk can cast some pretty terrible votes, my impression of him is that he has a pretty good set of instincts and is far more loyal to the party than many current sitting GOP Senators. I think – although I am not sure – that a pretty significant part of his less-than-perfect voting pattern is due to electioneering.  I believe that, at least 4 years out of 6, Mark Kirk will be a pretty good Senator.  If not good, far better than many people are expecting, at least, especially for someone who will occupy a seat in Illinois.  Giannoulias, on the other hand, is a crook, and a liberal one at that, and moreover is a close and longstanding ally of both Obama and Blagojevich.  He will be a horrible, graft-grabbing Senator 6 years out of every 6 he is in office.  Even though I can’t personally support him, it’s facially obvious to me that Kirk winning would be the clear best result in this race, and anyone who tries to tell you there’s “no difference” between Kirk and Giannoulias needs a reality check. 

Third, if you (like me) simply can’t bring yourself to root for Kirk, or even to spend your energy kicking Giannoulias like the walking pinata that he is, spend your energy instead working to help someone you can support (like Rubio or Toomey) elected.  The wailing and gnashing of teeth in this case is counterproductive and – since there was a legitimate primary – completely uncalled for.  Here at RedState, we have work to do, and if you can’t get rowing for Mark Kirk, we want to encourage you to get rowing for someone else, instead of rowing against a result that can’t be changed at this point.

Thanks for your attention, and now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

COMMENTS

  • http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com/index.cgi IronDioPriest

    while I certainly understand principled opposition to a candidate, our two party system is the reality we live under.

    This is a never ending debate, so I don’t want it to even start, but I just thought I’d mention that since our nation is teetering on the edge of a radical transformation into something that none of us will recognize, maybe now is a moment in history when pragmatism should be looked at very closely by those of us who are inclined to adhere to principle.

    It does no good to eschew a candidate out of principled opposition to a policy or two, if our Republic ceases to exist because of the cumulative efforts of the party his opponent will fortify.

    I believe the situation is that dire, and the choices are that stark. Do we want America to continue to exist in a form that resembles the free society that made us a great nation? I assume that the answer of everyone here is a resounding “yes”. Then the choice is clear. The Democrat party must be neutered, marginalized, and minimized.

    Kirk might be a RINO liberal Republican. But majority status matters. Chairmanships matter. In my opinion, at this time in the history of conservative evolution, our focus should be on elevating and electing THE MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE WHO CAN WIN WITHIN ANY GIVEN DISTRICT OR STATE.

    In the Illinois Senate race, that candidate will be Mark Kirk.

    • redneck_hippie

      Honestly, what you expressed will resonate here, I hope and pray. We can vote for Kirk here in Illinois. Putting him in the senate will be a major blow to Obama/Pelosi/Reid, not to mention the alternative candidate, who is thoroughly disgusting.

    • jb13

      I agree regarding Kirk. Anyone who calls for ideological purity among Illinois Republican candidates has obviously never been to Illinois or is one of this “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!” kamikaze conservatives who believe that making a point is more important than winning elections, securing majorities and working within the system to set the country on its proper course.

      I find much of Kirk’s platform repulsive. And, as a pro-lifer, I would never vote for him if a pro-life candidate was also in the race. However, as usual in this left wing bastion, I and other conservatives must choose between the lesser of two evils.

      For me, the choice is easy now. Choose a guy who will at least agree with me 40-50 percent of the time, caucus with the GOP, and put us a step closer to making a conservative (or at least a moderate-leaning-to-the-right) majority leader in the U.S. Senate? Or choose Obama’s basketball buddy who is connected to the mob, ethically filthy, ultra liberal and, to top it all off, incompetent? I’ll take Kirk and my 40 percent, please.

      I understand that for you folks living in conservative fairylands like Utah or Alabama that you see no difference between Kirk and Obama. That’s fine. People who stand in the sunshine can’t look into a dark room and see things clearly. All they see is darkness. But if you stand in that dark room long enough, soon you can start distinguishing among the varying shades of gray. Is that a relativistic approach? In an ideal world, of course it is.

      But we do not live in an ideal world. In the real world, in which the only thing that matters is getting to 51 votes in the Senate, and we have a short list of available options at our disposal to do so, please consider doing your part. I will do mine.

      Mark Kirk for Senate

    • writeblock

      Majority status matters–and if we get there by including another rino, so be it. I relish the prospect of hearings, for instance, into the Obama Justice Dept.. And we could make life miserable for the EPA. Not to mention gumming up nominations to the Supreme Ct.

  • homefree1

    Aren’t you forgetting the savior of the Senate, Mr. Brown? He is pro-choice and Redstate did everything it could to support him. I think the point is more that Kirk and Brown are representative of their constituents and we conservatives need to be pragmatic when it comes to candidates that may not be to our personal liking, but who are the best we can hope for in the districts they hail from. If we do not learn to embrace this pragmatism, there will be third party candidates in too many races who will bring the RNC down in the Nov. elections. From a governing point of view I would much rather have an RNC majority in at least one house than a stronger DNC grip on the throat of this once great nation. We must remember that the Tea Party is not really a political party but it is a movement with the power to take back the country or destroy the country, the choice will be ours.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      We actually endorse few candidates.

      • homefree1

        I did not say he was endorsed by Redstate. He was however supported by many of the most prolific bloggers on this site, and for good reason.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          But endorsement implies a level of support Brown did not earn. Individual editors have their own standards.

          For example I have endorsed Chuck DeVore for Senate. The site has not seen fit to get involved in the California Senate primary though.

        • streiff

          of boosting favorite candidates on the front page. Don’t confuse that with site support or endorsement.

    • AceInTX

      My issues with Kirk is his participation with the Republican Main Street partnership and his acrid…in your face ani conservatism…Brown has so far not displayed any of these tendencies but if he does…I’ll be as equally in his face as I have been Snowe Collins, and Kirk…

      I’m planning on being hands off on this race…and won’t actively raise cain or oppose Kirk…but that has conditions because I will NOT sit quietly by and nod my head if he decides the way he runs is to hammer the base and actively attack conservatives either as a candidate or a sitting Senator.

      • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

        On the principle that if they’re going to be in the election booth anyway:)

        • AceInTX
    • writeblock

      Brown tilts pro-life, but is literally for choice. He has never been pro-abortion. This is very different from Kirk who is pro-abortion. That said, raising this issue is the wrong path to take regarding the 2010 election. We badly need to win a majority–even if it puts in office a rino from a blue state. Remember what happened in ’06? We won the Senate by one vote–and that gave Specter chairmanship of the Judicial Committee. It was Specter who made the deal with Santorum and Bush to usher conservative nominees through the Committee in return for their support for his election. Had we not had that one vote margin–which included that rino–we would not have Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Ct. today.

      • AceInTX
  • RedBeard

    But if I could vote in Illinois, I would still have to go to the polls and vote for Kirk as the lesser evil. Our republic is at stake if we don’t get the Dems under control.

  • neum432

    It is Bayh in Indiana, Conrad in North Dakota, Tester and Baucus in Montana, Lincoln in Arkansas and so on. I will take a Liberal Republican in Illinois over a “lap dog” Democrat in North Dakota any day!

    • Flagstaff

      And one might notice that with the writing on the wall, most of those you mention have decided to pretend to be Dinos. they’ve decided that they had better show at least some Conservative leanings or be defeated.

      My own belief is that it makes sense to support a Republican who is mostly conservative in any general election over a mostly liberal Democrat.

      Although pro/anti-life is the litmus test for many Republicans (and pro-life is given as a requirement for RedState ‘endorsement’), it is not for me. It is the FISCAL liberals who are doing the most damage to the country now. It’s imperative that we replace them with fiscal conservatives. If the time ever comes when a pro-choice/social-moderate Republican can cast an important vote in favor of protecting life, that is the time when the pro-life Republican leadership must do its job to ensure his concurrence.

      Kirk is the nominee. If you live in Illinois, vote for him.

    • Illinicon

      Graham in SC, Hutchison in TX, Voinovich in OH, Bennet in UT, Martinez/Lemoiux in FL, Alexander in TN, Isakson in GA, Lugar in IN. These are seats were good conservatives can win but we are stuck with RINOs. Flip all these GOP seats with good conservatives and win some of those D seats among with conservatives and we can deal with the Castles, Kirks and Maine gals of the world.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    The unusually early Ilinois pimary had the effect of giving this race more attention than it may deserve. If it were a special election or an off year election, I may invest in Kirk. But now the table is set, it is just one of hundreds. I wish Kirk well, but leave it to the people of Illinois. There is too much going on this November for me to follow closely.

    And the people of Illinois are entitled to elect whomever they wish. Kirk did win fair and square. As a Blue State Republican, I always thought one of the lamest arguments from the base is that moderate Republicans dilute the party brand. As if the electorate cant tell what the GOP stands for if 5% of its caucus is pro-choice.

    The Illinois GOP and residents are entitled to representation and they cannot just lie down and give their state to socialists, thieves and thugs because some conservatives, who live far outside the state dont approve of Kirk.

  • hoosierteacher

    Like you, I’ll never support a pro-abortion candidate. Your wisdom is clear – if one can’t support a republican in a particualr race, then one can support a GOP / pro-life candidate in another race.

    I suggest that anyone who has problems with Kirk consider supporting Dan Coates in Indiana. He is a true conservative (both fiscal and social), and makes up for the dissapointment of not getting Mike Pence into the race to unseat Even Bayh.

    Kirk is the best that can be hoped for in IL (as Leon points out), and ought to be supported by people that can support a pro-abortion candidate in the name of “pragmatism” over a pro-abortion democrat. For those who can’t “vote for evil” because of a moral conviction, move on to another race where your time and money will support the party and the conservative cause.

    More on Bayh here – http://www.redstate.com/hoosierteacher/2010/02/03/republicans-score-big-in-indiana/

  • AceInTX

    The first should be no surprise…for those who know me…

    To begin with, Kirk is pro-choice, and my own personal pro-life convictions prevent me from donating to or voting for any avowedly pro-choice candidates.

    The second requires some nuance from me for the purpose of consistency and principle:

    First, Kirk?s win was not the result of some nefarious party or NRSC conspiracy to suppress conservative candidates. Mark Kirk simply was the best representative for GOP primary voters in Illinois, in the considered opinion of those voters.

    Many of my objections to McCain, Scozzafava, Crist and others are that the Party machinery was employed to forcing them on us as candidates. I make a slight point of order here that the NRSC did openly support Kirk early on as I recall it…but that being said…it’s not like it has been for Crist.

    This is a dead race to me. I would like to see Kirk win if that’s what it takes to put Republicans over the top in 2010 and give us back control…but that is counter balanced by the worry of having the majority with Kirk and his ilk further damaging the Republican brand with fiscal and social conservatives by voting for Cap and Trade and playing patty cake with the Main Twins.

    I say all this to say…I am committing to doing no harm where this race is concerned…I won’t actively attack or trash Kirk unless he does something that is damaging the party as a whole…and our goals in 2010….on the other hand…I will not lift a finger to elect him either.

    • neum432

      nt

      • JadedByPolitics

        …..

      • AceInTX

        but I’m gritting my teeth and cringing in anticipation of the slap because that’s what I expect from Kirk…nt

        • neum432

          Of course in the Senate I would prefer 25 DeMint’s and maybe 20 Thune’s, then I could probably stomach 6 Kirk’s for a majority if then a monkey wrench could be thrown into the gears of the Obama’s agenda for the next few years.

    • celderkin

      AceInTX says “I will not lift a finger to elect him either…”

      Then we get Alex. Honestly, I would rather get most of what I want than nothing at all.

      PS I live here. Leon’s summary was exactly correct. I glad Erick used it as one of the highlighted posts.

  • wolfster38

    Dems vote can vote for republicans in Illinois primary. And the do. This is why Illinois always have bad Republican candidates. Thats why we have the RINO Kirk. Until this changes Illinois will be blue with red people!
    DEMs should not be able to vote in republican primaries !

    • konstantine

      I’m looking forward to seeing the facts that back up your claim.

      • wolfster38

        You walk into the polling place you pick your party. I could say I was a dem and vote for a dem, I could be a dem and vote for republican. This has been going on for years in Illinois. Why do you think theres a better turnout for Republicans in primaries than Dems? You pick witch party you are going to vote for.

        • konstantine

          Again, do you have a link to a legitimate source that can back up this claim?

          If you have an opinion that the democrats abandoned their own primary to vote for Kirk, that’s fine. But if there is some sort of evidence, real or statistical, I’d very much like to see it.

          • Illinicon

            than Republicans statewide according to some media reports. With competive races for Gov, Sen and alot of anti-Stroger sentiment among Cook County Dems, I doubt many D switched to R yesterday.

        • Michael Dugas

          But the actual Dem turnout was greater than the Republicans as far as the Senate Primary goes and visa versa with the Governors Primary.
          Seems to depend on the politician maybe.
          http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/results/index.html

    • Leon H. Wolf

      If the Dems didn’t have their own hotly contested primary. Or if there were any, you know, facts to support it at all.

      Again, Kirk won this thing in a walk. Whatever portion of crossover Ds there might have been, they didn’t give it to Kirk.

      • AceInTX

        do they have open primaries or not?

        • wolfster38

          Yes, open primaries in Illinois. Rush talked about this a few years ago.

          • AceInTX

            I understand Leon’s point that there was a contested primary on the Dem side…but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a significant number of Democrats that make the calculation that I don’t care who wins the Dem nod, I’ll vote for them in the general…but I’ll for the most liberal Republican I can find in the Republican primary…so it’s a win win for my ideology no matter what happens.

            Who knows if there are enough Dems to make the difference between Kirk and Hughes….but I don’t think it’s a ridiculous claim at all.

          • Leon H. Wolf

            It’s a ridiculous claim.

          • AceInTX

            I see your point…

            I don’t like open primaries…so I’m naturally inclined to jump on them….but to suggest Dems account for a 40% deficit is silly

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Are you getting involved in your local party leadership to work to change the rules?

      • Brian Hibbert

        The majority in the state house gets to set the rules of the party. Unfortunately, the state is currently run by Democrats. We can’t change the rules to be something likable until we change the majority party.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          We sued in California to prohibit Dems from voting in our primaries.

    • Brian Hibbert

      I suspect most people who pulled an R ballot this time were real Rs. There were some really tight Dem races too and most would have wanted to vote for their favorite corrupt Democrat for Governor.

      Kirk was picked by the NRSC and ILGOP as their preferred candidate early last year. The other candidates were late to the game and at a significant fundraising disadvantage.

      Also, I talked to many people who liked Kirk because he’s a veteran, or they liked his ads. I talked one guy who was told by Kirks campaign manager that he DIDN’T support cap and trade. My response was “Then why did he vote for it?!”

      Anyway, Kirk really did run an excellent campaign and that’s why he won. The local radio talk hosts made a comment about Kirk being the only candidate who called more than 1 day ahead to schedule guest appearances. This sounds like a small thing, but it makes an impact when YOU get a favorable morning show interview and your opponent doesn’t.

      P.S. I would also like to close the primaries. I’m just saying it wasn’t the reason Kirk won.

      • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

        Kirk was selected, your false preconceptions of our electorate notwithstanding. It happened just as he said.

        Luckily, we can get behind the very acceptable Bill Brady, and Kirk will benefit from our GOTV effort.

      • delicountessa

        Our own state legislature also had a Cap N Tax bill. It was, IMHO, a self-defense posture against the EPA. Now, however, they have done an about-face and voted that they will not comply with any CnT scheme.
        Personally, I didn’t get involved in this race. If there is someone that the majority of Tea Party/Constitutional Conservatives are behind, I will get involved (Rubio/Toomey) but if it’s more scattered, I will sit it out.

        • Brian Hibbert

          He was one of a handful of Republicans that voted FOR Cap and trade.

          If you’re in Illinois, I DO hope you’ll get involved. While Kirk is not my ideal candidate, the comparison between Kirk and Giannoulias leaves us NO CHOICE but to support Kirk and work HARD to get him elected.

          Elections are about choices. You get to pick the candidate that most closely matches your own views from among those that are on the ballot. If you choose to sit out you will give the seat to Giannoulias. I can think of nothing more tragic for this state and this country.

    • AceInTX
    • Scope

      In primary races, the Dems know they will have a Dem to vote for in the General. Hasn’t it been a part of the Dems playbook to cross-over and vote for what they see as the least liked Republican candidate. I wonder how many, if any, Republicans will stay home, rather than hold their nose. Isn’t that what happened with McCain, at least to a degree.

    • streiff

      as pointing out that the implication here doesn’t explain the very tight gubernatorial primary where the conservative candidate may win.

    • merryj1

      …no worse than vice versa. Some Republicans, including conservatives, pull a Dem Primary ballot to be able to influence some races (this drove me batty when a “conservative” Dem ran in the same Governor’s cycle as George Ryan, based on the thinking of “win-win” should the Dem ultimately win the General election). But it is NOT why Illinois “always has bad Republican nominees.” That is the fault of the Illinois Party, and the apathy of too many — MOST — Illinois voters.

      Tuesday’s election, for example, had a 26% turnout: that means that 74% of eligible Illinois voters voted by default for business-as-usual, and that 74% deserves what they get. Unfortunately, the rest of us also get what they deserve.

      There’s a reason, also, for open Primaries. Ideally, voters stay within the Party they intend to vote for, but a prohibition on switching Party preference doesn’t make sense — if a preferred candidate is running on another Party slate, anyone who wants to support that/those candidates should be able to do so.

  • gawntrail1

    It is obvious that the process played out in this race. The most Conservative candidate did not win the primary. But, that does not mean the more Conservative candidate cannot win the general.

    Between the two who NOW have a chance at the seat, the choice is obvious. An 80% friend (or for that matter a 60% or 40% friend) is a lot better than an 80% enemy. I agree wholly that we, as Conservatives of any stripe, look for commonality and use that to build momentum and numbers…………instead of letting the difference be the line in the sand that forces us into a choice between pretty good and perfect. Its like shopping:

    I want this;
    I can live with this;
    Fine, I’ll settle for this.

    Even if we don’t like it, its just the way it is……….again, we’re all adults.

    The fight was fought. There is nothing but sour grapes going to prevent anybody from pulling the lever for the R when it goes the way it is supposed to. Of course there are exceptions, but, short of this guy turning out to be on the take or something as revolting, I don’t see it.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    IL GOP, that guy, and their voters can all go screw themselves, and I’ll leave it at that.

  • rocketeer

    I’ve commented before, and am, perhaps, noted for being more interested in pro-life than conservative. But I did put my money where my mouth is, and spent three days helping Tom Morrison, beat Sue Bassi in the IL Rep 54 R primary.

    So although I’ll sit on my hands concerning Kirk, I do slightly more than complain and make life difficult for moderators at RS.

    An apology for my ‘just saying’ snarkiness? I apologize.

  • Nick Haynes

    I can’t help but disagree with you regarding whether you or Redstate will endorse or financially support a candidate.

    Put it this way: we consider ourselves the party of fiscal responsibility. We abhor earmarks and profligate spending. Additionally, we here at Redstate push for items like stricter ethical standards, stepping down the role of government, etc.

    Yet I’ll bet 2-to-1 that Redstate endorses Roy Blunt over Robin Carnahan here in Missouri, despite the fact that he’s ethically deficient and seems to have no problems spending our money haphazardly, so long as it’s spent on “Republican” items. He’s not a conservative; rather, he’s a Republican who will strongly adhere to the party lines no matter whether its a Reagan or a Rockefeller running the show. But it’s OK, though, because Blunt is pro-life.

    Don’t get it twisted; despite my distaste for Blunt, I’ll probably donate some to him if I can afford it, and I’ll vote for him in November. But why is our “line in the sand” abortion? I’m strongly pro-life, but my thought is that, if we are going to draw a line anywhere, it should be on areas where we have a strong majority support, and don’t have sharp divisions in the culture, especially in bluer areas. Otherwise, we play to win, we don’t leave our own out on the battlefield, and we then work on getting the people in that district and the representatives in that district more conservative once we’ve got someone in that seat and can afford to try and get a little more “pure”.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Not really in any danger of changing:

      http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/01/22/37-years-and-50-million-lives/

      Earmarks didn’t result in 1.2 million people legally killed in this country last year.

    • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

      Our line in the sand is life because those who view life as sacred have a fundamentally different world view than those who view life as disposable.

      It is not enough to be a guardian of a checkbook. If one is not a guardian of life, then at the fundamental core, the person is horribly flawed.

      We will not endorse any candidate who is not pro-life. That does not mean we will not support the candidate. It does not mean we will not talk positively about the candidate. See e.g. Scott Brown.

      But this site will not endorse any person who starts with a world view that frames the sacred as disposable.

      • Marcus_Traianus

        So I would first ask, what do we (or others including Kirk) believe “pro-choice” means? Is it represented by the hardcore feminists like NOW, who use that label as a codeword for abortion, anytime, anywhere as a Constitutional Right ? Or is it those who simply want a women to actually choose what she wants to do (with information from both sides) without mandate by law or government? Even amongst “Pro-choicers”, there seems to be a debate.

        Conversely, what is the “pro-life” movement goal? Is it to outlaw abortions and mandate them from existence? If so, that necessitates government intervention (either federal or state) which certainly seems conflicted with a stance that often seeks to remove government (at least the Federal government) from any role.

        It has been my personal experience that in course of what I believe is an ill informed, ill defined debate, our party loses many independents. Those folks truly don’t want any government role (or funding for that matter) but simply believe Republicans have a take-no-prisoners, make-no-compromises, zero-tolerance approach. That perception never gets corrected because the national platform either reflects a negotiated, ill-defined position or the translation is bewildering based on the orators proclivities.

        I have always explained it to friends thus: I personally am opposed to the practice of abortion and find it abhorrent. But I understand that ultimately that “choice” is between a person and God. I also believe it is never to be enabled, promoted, funded or otherwise endorsed by the government, either explicitly or implicitly.

        I simply don’t understand where the compromise point is clearly articulated and understandably repeated for those we want to reach out to.

        • The Grognard

          You stated: “Conversely, what is the ?pro-life? movement goal? Is it to outlaw abortions and mandate them from existence? If so, that necessitates government intervention (either federal or state) which certainly seems conflicted with a stance that often seeks to remove government (at least the Federal government) from any role.”

          The government has the duty, the responsibility, the obligation, to stop murder whenever possible.

          If I were to get together with my doctor and tell him that I wanted to off my 5 year old because she’s a “burden” and I want to exercise my “choice” to not have that child any longer, and then the doctor agreed, and I brought my 5 year old to the doctor and had the “procedure,” there would be two people going to jail.

          Being conservative and generally against intrusion by government into our lives is not the same as saying we should allow abortion because it is some kind of question about personal liberty.

          Abortion is, plain and simple, a conspiracy between a woman and a doctor to murder a child, and is sanctioned by our current form of government.

          What about the government’s intrusion into the life of the unborn child? Government sanction has denied that child of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, because it has allowed millions of murders, and the conspiracies to commit those murders, to happen.

          Murder is murder, and the only difference between killing an unborn child and a 5 year old is which side of the womb the child is on.

          • MF

            Extremely rarely, there is the case where the life of the mother and the life of the child cannot be saved simultaneously. Granted, one could say it’s not really abortion at that point. But for those cases, and I’m NOT talking about the *health*of the mother (and especially not the mental health, like those NARAL murderers want) , but truly her *life*, one sometimes has to choose. It probably only happens a handful of times a year, but it does happen.

            These types of cases are like when a house is on fire, and you know you can only pull one person out of the fire to save them, and the other one is not going to make it. Leaving one person is not murder. Likewise, choosing to save the mother instead of the child, if it is truly believe that only one is possible, is not murder.

          • Marcus_Traianus

            hence the placards stating that abortion equals murder. Despite the distressing analogy you make here with murder, that is one of the quintessential differences the law has yet to make.

            To restrict the use of abortions as a tool to deal with unwanted pregnancy is an admirable goal. Furthermore, to seek the repeal of Roe as a matter of denying there exists a Constitutional right to abortion (BTW, pure fiction and faulty Constitutional reasoning in my simple mind) and secondarily to throw this into a individual states rights context (again, where this belongs) are certainly also achievable, righteous goals.

            However, to state outright there is sufficient constitutional and legal pretext to enforce an outright ban on abortions under the pretext of being murder is contrary and somewhat sophistic to the counter argument, which seeks to enshrine those “rights” in a similar, yet opposite context.

            Frankly, I am personally of the opinion that sufficient evidence exists to show they are not federal constitutionally protected rights, but feel litigation as to whether they can exist in either a ban or sanctioned practice at the state level has been stifled by Roe.

            As previously noted, I do not support the practice of abortion. But also find it eventually a matter of individual states to litigate towards a solution which meets the relevant judicial and legislative tests vis a vis state constitutional processes or electoral solutions- whichever is most individually appropriate.

      • Nick Haynes

        the fact of the matter is not every single person who is pro-choice sees life as expendable or disposable. My mom is pro-choice, but she has and would never get one. But they don’t feel that view should be forced onto others. I disagree with their end conclusion, but I can see the reasoning behind that.

        But, if we make that “our hill to die on”, so to speak, at what point is one sufficiently “pro-life” enough to garner our endorsement and money?

        What about those who oppose legal abortion except for “hard choice” instances, such as rape/incest or legitimate health-of-the-mother concerns? If they supported legal abortion in those cases, would they then be deemed to have such a callous disregard for life that Redstate couldn’t support them?

        What about if someone opposes abortions (even the “hard-choice” cases), but thinks that embryonic stem-cell research is OK?

        What about someone who has no problem with Plan B?

        My personal view is that, if we’re going to demand a rigorous standard of the candidate before we endorse them here, we should hold it across the line. As I said in my first comment, I would think Roy Blunt would not have a hard time getting Redstate to endorse him, and its denizens to donate to his campaign. Meanwhile, I have a far greater problem with someone like him than someone like our new Senator-elect from Massachusetts, who might be pro-choice but seems to have a strong conservative streak and a tendency to not be corrupt. If we only pick and choose the issues that Redstate and the conservative community draw a line in the sand for, then we should probably aim for lines that garner a substantial majority support and aren’t entirely divisive.

        • Nick Haynes

          Redstate, under current policy, would not endorse, nor allow a front-page posting, by Barry (Friggin’) Goldwater. Just to show the variance in conservatives, even on “core” issues like abortion.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • Nick Haynes

            He never stopped believing in the same things he believed in during the 1960′s–he simply believed that certain elements of the conservative movement, most notably the religious right, had hijacked the movement for their own purposes.

            And, to be honest, I’m in partial agreement with him. I think it’s absolutely ludicrous that Mike Huckabee (while he never got much love on Redstate) had such a popularity with conservatives and Republicans, seemingly for no other reason than his stance as a strong Christian. Even on a rather sane site like Redstate, much of the opposition to Mitt Romney had nothing to do with his policy positions and everything to do with the fact that he is a Mormon.

            And the rise of Sarah Palin, among other things, seems to indicate that we as a movement have strayed from the intellectual bedrock that defined Goldwater’s era. Our conservative stalwarts, back in the day, could quote not only modern-day philosophers like Buckley and Kirk, but also the classical theoreticians like Locke and Smith. Today, our conservative “leaders” do things simply for the pursuit of power, and sound more like a free-market MadLib than a rational, thoughtful conservative.

            I’ll give it to Redstate–I love it here. I’ve been a commenter on this site going on 4 years, and I find it better now than then. But this, in my findings, is the rare bastion, either on the Internet or in general society. And, to be quite frank, it’s disheartening. Goldwater was right–many of us have left the roots of the movement, and until we get back to that point, the only reason we don’t deserve to wander in the wilderness is the danger liberals pose so long as they remain in power.

          • Third Street
  • fideist

    I agree with everything you said about Kirk. But what we really need from you is a statement about your touting Andy A. for Governor at a possible cost to Bill Brady. You steered good conservative voters away from voting for a solidly conservative candidate with a record to prove it. And now Brady is barely clinging to a lead of 750 votes. With most of the precincts left to be counted being from Cook County, in all likelihood Brady will be passed by Dillard. If that happens you share in the responsibility, along with Gateway Pundit.

    • Brian Hibbert

      As a Brady supporter, I agree that he would have had a wider margin if not for Adam A, but they should and did support the candidate that most matched their own views.

      That’s what primaries are for!

      • fideist

        AFAIK, the only difference between Andy and Brady was Brady had a voting record.

        • Brian Hibbert

          The editors at RS chose Adam.

          If you check my posting history, you’ll find that I argued for Brady instead. But I can’t really fault people for liking Adam. He appears to be a good solid conservative and was saying the right things at the right times.

          There were other differences between Adam and Brady, for example Adam seemed to think he could issue executive orders that would fix things in the state. I don’t think it’s that easy and suspect he’d have run into lawsuits at every turn, but that’s irrelevant now.

          Anyway, if Adam was in the same position as Brady, would you be arguing that it’s MY fault for stealing votes from Adam?

          • Brian Hibbert

            I’m in Tazewell county. East Peoria.

          • fideist

            I live in Wheaton, DuPage County.

            Cong-6 (Henry Hyde’s old seat) Peter Roskam is my congresscritter.

          • Brian Hibbert

            Latest count is showing 100% in with Brady having a 406 vote lead!

            Now we have to get to work to build his support for November.

          • merryj1

            Roskam is my Congressman, also.

    • tngal

      Think about. it. yeah there was a strong push For Adam Angie-Effski (sorry, that’s how its spelled in my head) from some bloggers here as well as the Pundit. But his own internals had him pulling within 2 pts two days before the election. They were hoping to grab a couple votes with that and probably did. And Lech Walesa probably snagged a few votes for Adam and possibly away from Brady. Adam did pull votes away from Brady no doubt but the Adam hype came from a number of sources. Additionally, there were five other candidates who may have taken some of Brady’s numbers. Not sayin’ its right, just sayin’.

      • fideist

        Friend, if you believe leaked internal polls that go against all the public polls you will believe anything.

        Secondly, regarding the other candidate pulling votes from Brady, there were only two — Andy and Proft. McKenna and Ryan were pulling votes from Diller.

        Finally, none of the exculpates RedState and Gateway. Their touting Andy cost Brady, and if Brady loses, they are partly to blame.

        • Brian Hibbert

          based on the people I talked to offline. Most of the 9/12 folks liked Adam and were pushing him. The same for the Campaign for Liberty people. I’ll be talking with them and trying to get them to put their support behind Brady (or Dillard if it comes down to that but Brady is an easier sell). We have to get these groups behind our candidates if we want to keep Quinn from having another shot at a 50% tax hike.

  • itrytobenice

    I hope Kirk beats the crook.

    However, my money and my efforts will be going to other races. Races where I can *enthusiastically* support my candidate. I want Toomey, DeVore, Rubio, the guy running against Bayh, the guy running against Lincoln, Blunt.

    In a world of limited time and money, you have to make choices. If I were in IL, I’d vote for the R over the D and I’d even talk to my neighbors about it.

    For the rest of us…Charge!!!!

  • The Grognard

    So the long and short of this post is that YOU wouldn’t vote for Kirk, but that he’s the best the shot at putting an R in the Senate.

    Maybe you can clarify a bit. Do you expect pro-life voters to hold their nose and vote for Kirk, taking into account the need to return to the Rs to the Senate? If pro-lifers won’t vote for Kirk, will there be the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth that they cost the party a vote in that chamber? Will there be the usual nonsense about pro-life voters taking their ball and going home?

    Its nonsense to say that you wouldn’t vote or donate to a candidate, but expect those in Illinois to consider the national ramifications if they don’t vote for Kirk.

    • streiff

      those decisions are prudential judgments that each voter has to make. Personally, I’d vote for Kirk given the alternative .

      • Dan McLaughlin

        I’ve voted many a time for Rudy, Pataki, even (gag) Bloomberg. Leon sees things differently. But I believe most or all of the Contribs do pretty much agree on the thrust of this post – Kirk won his primary fair and square, so nothing is accomplished by throwing rocks at him now or supporting another candidate in the race.

      • Dan McLaughlin

        I’ve voted many a time for Rudy, Pataki, even (gag) Bloomberg. Leon sees things differently. But I believe most or all of the Contribs do pretty much agree on the thrust of this post – Kirk won his primary fair and square, so nothing is accomplished by throwing rocks at him now or supporting another candidate in the race.

        • The Grognard

          Its one thing to say that “we” should vote for the least worst candidate. I can understand saying that sometimes we have to hold our noses, and we can’t get a perfect candidate. No problem.

          But is utterly ridiculous to say “I” would never vote a guy like this, but expect others to be “rational” and “take one for the party.”

          I am adamantly pro-life, but I live in NY and I’d probably vote for Rudy (for example) if he ran for the senate or as governor, because overall he is better than the alternative. It’d be a a tough vote for me to make, and I’m not 100% sure I could pull that level.

          However, I would never try tell someone that I wouldn’t vote for a candidate, and then offer reasons why they should.

          Furthermore, its the same pathetic reasoning that gets fobbed off on pro-lifers all the time. Hold your nose and vote. Why is it that when we get a pro-lifer who might be a squish on the size of government, or taxes, or fiscal responsibility, aren’t the Fiscons told to “hold their nose and vote.”

          The bottom line is that life is not the top priority among Republicans, and that many folks are more concerned about their money than they are the dead children that litter the landscape.

          Its a strange, cruel, and pathetic state of the union when money matters are more important than the lives of a innocent babies.

          Folks are worried about health care getting crammed down their throats, but lets not get too worked up about those dead babies! We’ve got wallets to protect, afterall.

          And what’s even more pathetic about this is that Kirk is NOT a fiscon. He’s a crap and taxer AND a member of the death cult.

          But hey, what do I know? I wouldn’t vote for him either.

          You folks in Illinois and elsewhere had better think about all the good reason why need this guy in the Senate, however! Take one for the team!

          Its the same tired mantra that we get election cycle after election cycle. This guy isn’t as bad as the Demorat running. Oh, and I wouldn’t vote for this guy, but you folks should.

          Wish there was an eye rolling emoticon.

        • The Grognard

          Its one thing to say that “we” should vote for the least worst candidate. I can understand saying that sometimes we have to hold our noses, and we can’t get a perfect candidate. No problem.

          But is utterly ridiculous to say “I” would never vote a guy like this, but expect others to be “rational” and “take one for the party.”

          I am adamantly pro-life, but I live in NY and I’d probably vote for Rudy (for example) if he ran for the senate or as governor, because overall he is better than the alternative. It’d be a a tough vote for me to make, and I’m not 100% sure I could pull that level.

          However, I would never try tell someone that I wouldn’t vote for a candidate, and then offer reasons why they should.

          Furthermore, its the same pathetic reasoning that gets fobbed off on pro-lifers all the time. Hold your nose and vote. Why is it that when we get a pro-lifer who might be a squish on the size of government, or taxes, or fiscal responsibility, aren’t the Fiscons told to “hold their nose and vote.”

          The bottom line is that life is not the top priority among Republicans, and that many folks are more concerned about their money than they are the dead children that litter the landscape.

          Its a strange, cruel, and pathetic state of the union when money matters are more important than the lives of a innocent babies.

          Folks are worried about health care getting crammed down their throats, but lets not get too worked up about those dead babies! We’ve got wallets to protect, afterall.

          And what’s even more pathetic about this is that Kirk is NOT a fiscon. He’s a crap and taxer AND a member of the death cult.

          But hey, what do I know? I wouldn’t vote for him either.

          You folks in Illinois and elsewhere had better think about all the good reason why need this guy in the Senate, however! Take one for the team!

          Its the same tired mantra that we get election cycle after election cycle. This guy isn’t as bad as the Demorat running. Oh, and I wouldn’t vote for this guy, but you folks should.

          Wish there was an eye rolling emoticon.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Political contests, by their very nature are exercises in popular approbation. Therefore to believe that each candidate will fulfill all of our fundamental beliefs is an exercise in futile postulation.

    One does however, expect that such a candidate will fulfill the set of rudimentary beliefs that identify us as a distinct party, which coincidentally is the primary banner Mr. Kirk ran under- we assume for our philosophical congruity.

    Which leads us to ponder if his taking of the name “Republican” is a matter of political expediency in this contemporary environment? I certainly don’t know enough about him to say such is the case. It is also unclear to me if the current party platform, assumed to ascend from our core philosophical beliefs, labels Kirk an apostate for being pro-choice? Or is he simply a misguided brother whom we coddle as one of our own to peacefully coexist?

    All points which need great clarity as we begin to reassert our parties’ distinctive philosophical viewpoint with the electorate. For certainly one can successfully argue that such crepuscular treatment of our core values have led to our exile with the denizens of this Republic.

    I therefore welcome Mr. Kirk to the debate.

  • redneck_hippie

    to Alexi 35.

    via Illinois Review

    http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2010/02/kirk-47-giannoulias-35.html

    That said, I’d prefer a conservative candidate. Because morality and conscience dictate protection of life, But I’ll be hanged if I’ll sit home on Nov. 2nd.

  • rwb_hoosier

    There are two ways to elect someone. You can vote for them or you can not vote for their opponent. Stop this stupidity of, “I can’t vote for this candidate because of one single issue.” If you don’t vote for him, you help the democrat win and that is far more worse for pro-life than electing a republican who is pro-choice. Don’t you get that?

    Didn’t you learn anything from 2006? A bunch of self-righteous conservatives said, “We’re going to teach republicans a lesson for not being conservative enough. Look what happened. Their misguided “punishment vote” brought us Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and helped bring in Obama. Who got punished here, dummies? You don’t punish someone by shooting yourself in the head.

    Get out there and vote for Kirk. Look at the bigger picture and don’t help elect the liberal because of your “integrity”. There is nothing noble about helping elect a liberal.

    • Brian Hibbert
  • Dave_in_Fla

    Blatantly stolen from the front page at Ace:

    Magellan Strategies for Mark Kirk (R) 2/2/10; 885 likely voters, 3.3% margin of error Mode: Automated phone (Magellan memo)

    Illinois

    2010 Senate
    Kirk 47%, Giannoulias 35%

    Favorable / Unfavorable
    Mark Kirk: 31 / 26
    Alexi Giannoulias: 24 / 39
    Barack Obama: 51 / 45

  • furious

    …like, for instance, Lincoln Chafee or Arlen Specter?

    Oh, yeah, the GOP can do MUCH worse than Mark Kirk. The downside is if, after 2010, a moderate like Kirk (or, as seems unlikely, Charlie Crist) is the 41st or 50th GOP Senator.

  • spainishirish

    This shouldn’t even be an issue this year.

  • theoneandonlyfinn

    it is understandable to act like a three year old being told to eat their peas. If we were looking at 5 or six seats and maxing at that, the anger is very justifiable and would be worth the loss.

    There are people so vehemantly opposed to any gay rights they won’t vote for Campbell on THAT BASIS ALONE here in California, even if it meant robbing the United States of the opportunity to boot Babs.
    But the winds are at our backs in a way we may never see again (picking up over 10 seats in ONE election)

    The road to 51 at this point is filled with so-called moderates.

    We are likely to get DE,ND,NV,AR,CO,PA. 47.
    Indiana is iffy,but doable with Coats. 48.

    The REALISTIC options left are:
    Illinois, New York, Wisconsin, Washington, California.
    You need 3 of these 5 to get to 51 and control of the Senate.
    the front runners and POTENTIAL front runners in 3 of these states are moderate, pro-choice candidates.

    With this knowledge in mind, I chose the pragmatic approach.

    I will vote conservative in the primary, and support WHOEVER WINS in the general.

    The thought of a Durbin-run Senate, frankly, should strike more fear in the hearts of conservatives and pro lifers than HAVING a few GOPers push us over the top who betray our social views, as deep as they must be.

    This is single handedly the BEST article I have seen on this sticky issue. Good work Leon.

  • illinois

    Here in Illinoisssssssss………while I would love to vote for conservative Repubs like Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, etc, etc. We’re here in deep blue Illinoissssssssss……..so we gots to work with what we got. Kirk’s the best alternative we have…….that we have a chance to get elected here in Illinoisssssssssssssssss. Like Erick says, if you all can’t stomach him…..then go help candidates in other states. For us here in Illinois…….where Melissa Bean is our rep, Durbin and Burris our current senators and Quinn our gov……………Kirk looks dog gone good to us!

  • dajeeps

    I don’t have a problem with candidates whose personal opinions on abortion aew that it’s a choice as long as they are not advocating it or fighting at cross purposes with the party. I like the idea of conservatism attracting multitudes to the banner and I welcome those with differing opinions on a variety of issues as long as their intent is to accept us as the party with strong conservative roots and not become a roadblock. If the intent is to join us in hopes of changing us and/or they attack us then I’d more than likely side with others who do not want them around.

    I don’t support/vote/volunteer for pro-life candidates just because they are pro-life, however. I don’t feel I’ve ever gotten anywhere by placing such limitations on my activism, but have gotten a lot of other things I did not want and almost nothing else I did want in exchange. I think it’s mainly because I’ve been fighting the wrong thing.

    In retrospect, it appears to me that the abortion issue arose out of the decades long creep toward socialism. Population control is a big thing for socialists, and because the ideology as whole does not square with the constitution in any respect, I believe it is a big lie when these limo-libs say they are for the right of an individual to choose. I think I know where they plan(ed) to head with it and it has nothing to do with individual rights, otherwise they would not have be interested in the issue at all. Avocation of it is simply a means to an end.

    Socialism is the body and abortion is but one of its organs. The body must be defeated as a first order of business before, I believe, we can ever have a hope of ridding ourselves of this sidecar social ill that is predicated upon a lie and many others that come with it in the process of restoring constitutional order to the Federal govt.

    Socialists are the enemies of freedom and constitutional order, not pro-choice Republicans who have been nominated in a fair and honest primary election. So, like some, I acquiesce with the realization that should socialism completely devour our republic, any hope we’ve ever had regarding this issue will be lost when all of a sudden the choice becomes a mandate and many other things that used to also be choices no longer are.

  • eldstenorge

    All I can say is THANK GOD I DO NOT HAVE TO VOTE IN ILLINOIS. Illinois showed yesterday, how corrupt and bad that state is, much worse than the soviet commonwealth of Massachusetts. And, there is a huge difference between Scott Brown and Mark Kirk. Scott Brown stands with us in opposition to Partial Birth Abortion (murder) while Mark Kirk does not. Scott Brown is for parental notification and against federal funding of abortion. And, I believe Scott Brown will end up probably 70% with us, which is quite a ways from 40%, if we are lucky, that Kirk will be with us. And, Kirk has thrown his arrogance and liberalism in the faces of conservatives. He thinks we have nowhere else to go so he will get conservative votes no matter how he treats us because the other candidate is probably worse. Well, we have forgotten our roots. American was founded on Christian principles. Why are we not turning to God and asking for his help? John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Why is America is trouble right now? Consider the words of John Adams and you need not wonder any longer.

  • avgamerican

    I thought I was being pragmatic when I voted for Schwarzneggar in CA. What I learned was that Schwarzneggar was just as liberal as Davis and was unable to even influence the dem control over fiscal policy. I am open minded when it comes to seeing the worse of two evils, but that doesn’t mean that we are going to win back the Republican Party in the long runt. I am going to repeat what I have been saying since I came on red state. Real conservatism has shrunk. Statistics about conservatives being in the majority doesn’t hold water or we wouldn’t be here in the first place. Now, I did here something positive about Kirk. Since his meeting with business leaders he has learned that he was wrong about supporting Cap and Trade. We will see. I hope this is true.

    • JSobieski

      its just that he has rolled over ever since. You don’t have to happy about how things turned out, but I wouldn’t necessarily regret your vote either.

      Has any governor in a blue state done more to take on the unions? He was really impressive . . . for about 6 months.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        You don’t hire a Democrat CoS and appoint more Democrats than Republican to the bench just because you’re afraid of retribution.

        You do it because you truly believe conservatives are “right wing crazies” and that you are “embarrassed” that good President Clinton was impeached just for slandering a woman and using the power of the Presidency to cover up for your own adultery.

        • JSobieski

          You can’t deny that

          • Achance

            he looked around and saw he didn’t have a friend in the World. I don’t blame him for taking comfort where he could find it, and it sure wasn’t with the Repubicans either in CA or Nationally.

            I’ve seen the same movie: carry the Republicans’ water, get embroiled in controversy doing it, and they’re the first ones to go the the media about how you shouldn’t have done what they told you to do.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            I don’t buy that excuse for a second, and it doesn’t explain appointing Democrat judges, either.

            He’s a lefty. A pro-mass infanticide, pro-tax, pro-globowarmism lefty.

          • JSobieski

            and his 4 ballot initiatives were the most conservative things I have seen come out of a blue state in my lifetime

            Arnold likes being liked, and I think that has more to do with it than hating conservatives. Arnold definitely didn’t hate Reagan, he just doesn’t subscribe to a lot of it . . . at least not anymore.

            Arnold is a hollywood guy, and hollywood guys have a need to be liked that rivals Clinton’s. Reagan was immune to that, as Reagan was seemingly immune to a lot of bad things.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Once we establish that he hated us as far back as the Impeachment, what we did or didn’t do a decade later isn’t relevant.

          • JSobieski

            even if they were doomed to fail in California. They were the kind of policies that Newt would present as part of American Solutions, or other sources for conservative reform.

            The proposed reforms were conservative, but instead of taking the opportunity that Reagan took in 64 by supporting a losing election proposition for the purpose of educating the country, we instead were relatively silent and let those ideas die a painful death.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            I live here. I wrote about them at RedState.

          • JSobieski

            Not sure if Arnold told people like Bush or Congressional Republican leadership to stay out or what, but in retrospect, I wish we as a movement had done more

          • avgamerican

            He has taken a stand against Proposition 8. He is pro-choice. He believes in advancing global warming initiatives ahead of current federal law. In the middle of huge CA deficits he signed bills into law requiring reprint of school text books to include homosexual indoctrination. He is as radical as Pelosi and Boxer. The fact is CA has no real conservative candidates that could win a governatorial election at this stage in post modernism. I think if we could come up with a Scott Brown or a Mark Kirk here in CA, it would make us look great. But that is the reality.

          • JSobieski

            In that period of time, he was working on conservative reforms, but for whatever reason, the issues got little attention nationally–that was my primary point

  • carolyna

    We were faced with a similar dilemma in MA, where Scott Brown is clearly pro-choice, with several important caveats: he does not support tax-payer funded abortions, partial birth abortion, and supports parental notification. He’s not a perfect conservative, but compared to the alternative — Martha Coakley was to the left of Ted Kennedy — it was no contest. We cannot let the perfect stand in the way of the good if we want to have a hope of preserving our constitutional republic. In the meantime, we must continue to work on changing people’s hearts re: the pro-life issue.

    • mikerazar
  • patriotparty1

    This is a Chicago machine win. The tea partiers still cannot overcome the machine. The mob bankster won over the rest of the condidates for the dems.
    The Hillbuzz guys pointed out that we could tell how powerfull the machine and Obama still are in Il by who won. Well with this guy winning, it shows that the machine is still in charge.

    Kirk is also the one they WANTED to win the repub nomination because they already have their plans to take him out right before the election by outing him from the closet.

    So there you have it. The dems win, and still control Illinois.

    Game over, and the STUPID republican party never even played!

  • eldstenorge

    So, you are saying, Mark Kirk is gay?

    • proudgop

      I think we have to be careful when we accuse people of being something they already have denied not being

      Thats really low part of politics

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • olddog

    A republican in Hawaii’s special election, anyone know about him? and the winner take all (most votes) of Hawaii election law. Just asking, could be another brown, he has 90 days till election and not known, off the island of Oahu much! Running against two democrats though.
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    One Old Dog

    • gekster

      From nationalreviewonline:

      http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzA4NjI4NDlkYzE4NjY5Mjc0OWM1NmQ2ZmYzZmZjNzU=