So I’m pretty sure it’s not happening.

Because, you know, such a blatant undermining of the most basic tenents of rule-of-law, on a bill having such a large impact on the whole future of the United States, would be noteworthy enough to bring up in the hourly news.

At least you’d THINK so.

He’s got Congressmen Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan on with him.

hmmmmmm…..

to try and take the heat off …

is a real live Constitutional crisis. I swear, these Democrats are like a modern Ahab in pursuit of this putrid whale of a healthcare cramdown. Obsessed, relentless and ultimately, self-destructive.

= a very sorry image

Let me try:

I deem myself 1 ft. taller.

Darn, didn’t work.

Or how about this:

We deem Obamacare repealed.

I’d love someone to do it, just to see them shriek.

I said that the likelihood of UFOs existing was greater than that of principled Democrats. If this is true, we’ll see if I’m right. If there is such a thing, they will decry this.

Again, don’t hold your breath.

Start doing it now. Don’t wait for the courts. If this passes, nullify it with 30-40 states and progressive politics will be dead for a very, very long time.

The subject needs to become front and center. It is time to openly debate this in multiple forums across this nation. But first, we need to understand it:

http://tinyurl.com/ya3dc7f

It means that they do not have the votes and they know it!

When Obama took office, I said there were four bullets we had to dodge, Health care, card check, net neutrality, and cap and tax.

Looks like in just a few days we will have dodged them ALL!!

And that makes me so happy!

its a good sign they do not think they will ever get the votes. Lets hope this blows up in their faces before they even have a chance to execute.

contribution to a public forum moderated by the most powerful man in the world, was worrying about denture recycling.

Par for the course from the Caucus of the Insane and its speaker, Madame we need to pass it to find out what is in it. Come to think of it, she is right. How else do you find the engagement ring your dog swallowed and then excreted in a pile in the back yard? You wait for the dog to pass it.

While I *don’t* think they have the votes right now (or they’d be voting on this POS as I type), and while I hope they try something this stupid, never underestimate the Marxist’s ability to create subterfuge and ‘chatter’ to obfuscate what they’re really doing.

As stupid, moronic, and utterly devoid of any scruples whatsoever the Democrats are, I don’t thing that even *they* are that stupid.

But, then again….

They do someting daily to incite conservatives. I’m taking this with a large grain of salt.

I’m certain the Supreme Court is not however.

. . .a good sign. Desperation on the part of the enemy can’t be a bad thing. And even if they do manage to pass some legless unconstitutional mishmash, it can only work in our favor. Their ability to destroy themselves cannot be overestimated, because their fundamental philosophies are not grounded in Fact.

‘Click’… ‘click’

Such as football. So when the quarterback throws an incomplete pass in the endzone, we can consider it a score as long as another completion was made at some point in the game. This is going to be great.

Burn up the phone and fax lines to let them know that if they even THINK about trying this, Washington, D.C. will shut down due to the number of people who will be flooding into the city to protest.

Anyone know a top-notch lawyer who would be willing to draft a case on behalf of the American people to present to the judiciary - all the way to the Supremes - to declare this unconstitutional?

knows this is unconstitutional.

Old Nan doesn’t have the votes, so naturally they try to cheat. Unfortunately for them though, this isn’t a Minnesota senatorial election. This time, you can’t create the extra votes you need.

The more desperate Pelosi and her minions look, the better I feel.

The Dems have now, once and for all jumped the shark.

I suppose if they can constitutionally compel me to serve in the military they can compel me to pay for health insurance????

1. Write a bill to rename a bldg.
2. Let it pass both Houses.
3. Insert a substitute with cap and trade or whatever else they can’t pass.
4. Deem it to have passed already and send it to Obama.

Obama, Pelosi, Reid…”You lie!”

“It is obvious to any thinking person (and indeed even to members of Congress) ”

Well done, Leon.

Dateline 2025…. Housing consolidation becomes law !

The President has signed into law a major plank of his campaign. Under this new program, suburban homeowners will be offered the opportunity to exchange their property for Homesteads in the Pristine Planet housing developments being constructed by the Department of Housing and Urban Development which will concentrate the human footprint in urban centers and reduce human ecological impact to the planet.

Homeowners will receive credits toward moving expenses, job retention, energy consumption, and retirement annuities for displaying cooperation with the National Goals in regard to this important progression in civic responsibility. This critical initiative will enable the protective agencies to monitor and control crime, activities that are detrimental to the collective goals of minimal environmental impact, health habits, and anti-social behavior and thought patterns.

Failure to comply with the objectives of the program could result in the confiscation of all real and monetary property without compensation, and the assignment of living quarters in the Education Opportunity estates.

Dateline 2025…. Housing consolidation becomes law !

The President has signed into law a major plank of his campaign. Under this new program, suburban homeowners will be offered the opportunity to exchange their property for Homesteads in the Pristine Planet housing developments being constructed by the Department of Housing and Urban Development which will concentrate the human footprint in urban centers and reduce human ecological impact to the planet.

Homeowners will receive credits toward moving expenses, job retention, energy consumption, and retirement annuities for displaying cooperation with the National Goals in regard to this important progression in civic responsibility. This critical initiative will enable the protective agencies to monitor and control crime, activities that are detrimental to the collective goals of minimal environmental impact, health habits, and anti-social behavior and thought patterns.

Failure to comply with the objectives of the program could result in the confiscation of all real and monetary property without compensation, and the assignment of living quarters in the Education Opportunity estates.

all my bills paid forever.

Now gimme my yacht.

ethical, honest, open congress ever, eh Pelosi? My my, what you and your miscreants have put this country through, Madam Speaker. If we go down, you go down. Maybe not immediately, but in time. Then your prodigy shall live in unending shame. Oh yeah baby, a storm’s a brewin’.

I agree with you that this is an unconstitutional maneuver, however it has nothing to do with “bicameralism plus presentment.” This doctrine is specific to the relationship between the legislature and the executive, but has very little to do with the relationship between the house and senate.

And lots of it.

Faster, please!

the trouble i have is not with them bending the law to suit themselfs and obama.its with the congress and the senate for not speaking up.we have to vote them out in 2010 and 2012.the constitution we save us thanks to our fore fathers in all their wisdom saw this coming.

This is clearly abuse of power.

healthcare legislation is

for healthcare legislation and mandates is fallacious. He is using the fact that states mandate seatbelts, auto insurance, etc. The cannot determine the difference in a privilede and a right and that these laws are rules adopted by states for these privileges. No one ifs forced to drive. It is a choice. You can walk, ride with others, take a taxi, traiin, but, horse or choose not to travel at all. You still have your freedom to choose. In this case there is no freedom as you are facing fines or imprisonment if you do not purchase a product supported by the government. He really knows this but is just offering an excuse that he hopes the masses of the informed will swallow. It will not meet constitutional review favoribly. I also informed him that the will be responsible for the outcry from the people including the civil unrest and likely violence that will follow. They do not care. He has been bought and paid for. I can hardly wait to find out what the is getting in return. You all need to call this guy and let him have it today.

PLEASE FIND A WAY TO GET REASONABLE PASSWORDS FOR THIS SITE. IT IS RIDICULOUS.

If the congressional “progressives” manage to obviate the Constitution, effectively making it null and void, what legal authority will remain to them?

When are we gonna storm the WH and take our country back?! We cannot allow this to go any further. They do whatever they want and we will elect the R’s in 2010 that will not repeal shit!

Not for voting for something. Arguably Obama would be illegally signing the law. Honestly, though, the best that can be hoped for really is just to have it thrown out. No one’s going to get fined or jailed.

Of course, impeachable offenses are whatever the House says they are …

But, unfortunately I believe you are mistaken as to your reasoning.

The phrase “in all [] Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays” refers to attempts to override a presidential veto.

Both the House and the Senate are free to create their own rules pertaining to the passage of bills Article 1, Sec. 5 “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings”

This is evidenced by the fact that quite a number of bills are passed by the Senate via Unanimous Consent. Yes, UC is used for other reasons to facilitate the smooth and timely functioning of the Senate, BUT, it can indeed be used to pass bills without an actual vote. No yeas or Nays are recorded nor is their a voice vote.

You could search google for “legislation passed by unanimous consent” and you will find many examples.

Here is one from Thomas:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN03325:@@@R

S.3325
Title: A bill to enhance remedies for violations of intellectual property laws, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] (introduced 7/24/2008) Cosponsors (21)
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 110-403 [GPO: Text, PDF]
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MAJOR ACTIONS:
7/24/2008 Introduced in Senate
9/15/2008 Committee on the Judiciary. Reported by Senator Leahy with amendments. Without written report.

9/26/2008 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Unanimous Consent.

9/28/2008 Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 381 - 41 (Roll no. 664).
9/28/2008 Cleared for White House.
10/2/2008 Presented to President.
10/13/2008 Signed by President.
10/13/2008 Became Public Law No: 110-403 [Text, PDF]

Note that while a vote total is listed for passage in the House, there isn’t one for the Senate. Instead, it lists that the bill was passed with Amendment by Unanimous Consent.

This is NOT to say that the Slaughter rule is indeed Constitutional or within the rules of the House. Rather, just pointing out that your supporting argument is factually incorrect.