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An Explanation

I am sure that most of you who regularly comment here have become aware of a situation that has erupted at the site over the last week concerning a number of long time members who have been banned. Since that time, some have been happy, and by far the more vocal have been upset, and there have been many requests for more information to help the commenters understand exactly what happened. As the person at the center of at least some of the controversy, it is my hope to shed at least some light on what happened. I have and had no desire to cast aspersions on anyone who is not here anymore, but after repeated calls for more information from the commenters for more information, I felt it necessary to at least say something.

For those who do not know, I have been a contributor and moderator at RedState since mid-2005. Like almost all the contributors and moderators, I do this on a volunteer basis. I have no thoughts or hope of receiving any monetary compensation from RedState at any time in the future, even through using RedState to get a job as a political consultant somewhere (a career in which I have dabbled and to which I will never return, as God is my witness). The people I have met on RedState, including Erick, Caleb, Thomas Crown, Paul Cella and numerous others, have become regular real life friends with whom I spend time as often as possible.

Although I do not get paid in money for my work at RedState, it would be dishonest to claim that I do not get any reward of any kind. I take immense pride in the work the site has done and the community it has built, and I always appreciate the ability to feel as though I am making a difference – even in a small way – in the political discourse in this country. I take the credibility and reputation of RedState seriously – we have not grown from zero to a site that gets 140K hits a day in six years by peddling hackery and falsehoods, and if we find ourselves associated with dreck on a consistent basis, we risk returning to zero again.

That brings us to the current controversy and the regrettable fallout therefrom. Unfortunately, this cannot be a full disclosure of the facts, because many of them occurred on an email list where the participants were sworn not to disclose the contents of any of the emails. And although many of the participants on the list are now dishonestly hiding behind that wall of secrecy as they snipe at RedState management now, I have no intention of breaking any confidences into which I have entered. Suffice it to say, I know that the gaming of the recommended list existed because I have seen it with my own eyes. And not just me, but several other RedState contributors also saw it with their own eyes.

This behavior, although perhaps an understandable outgrowth of solidarity amongst friends, was harmful to the site in a number of ways. In the first place, it caused new and talented writers to become discouraged from contributing to the site because no matter how talented or insightful their writing was, it became impossible to crack the recommended list at all, or at least for more than a couple hours (except in unusual cases). Second, the recommended list was originally intended as a tool for the front page contributors to easily identify diaries that possibly merited promotion to the front page, or even to consider folks who showed up regularly on the list for possible promotion to the front page. As the recommended list became more and more insular, it ceased to serve these purposes altogether.

Personally, I know that there were numerous occasions when I would look through the diaries late at night (as I sometimes do) for possible recommendations and promotions, and I would find an outstanding diary: witty, well-written, insightful, and covering a relevant topic. This diary would often have sat in the “diaries” column all day with no comments and no recommendations while diaries written by certain people (who happened to be favored by the list) rocketed up the list and stayed there for days at a time.

Another problem that I saw – again, saw with my own eyes – is that if a commenter disagreed (even in a polite or factual way) with a diary written by someone in the group, an email would go out asking those commenters to deal with a “troll” that had showed up in the diaries, and suddenly the comment would have a dozen nasty replies from long-term members of the site, usually belittling them for being a newbie and calling them stupid, etc.

As I watched this behavior unfold with growing concern, I also became aware of a new member of the group who had a tendency to write over-the-top and conspiratorial diaries. One such diary caught my attention in particular because it was picked up by FoxNation and attributed to RedState. While reading through the diary it became immediately apparent to me that the facts this particular diarist had uncovered did not at all add up to the conclusion she was peddling in her diary. I confronted her via email about this, whereupon she admitted that there was likely a much more innocuous explanation for the story than her screaming headline suggested, but that she had used a “gitcha” headline deliberately to get the attention of larger news organizations.

About that exact time, a commenter in a subsequent diary on the same topic raised some of the same legitimate concerns I had about the story, and was subjected to an orchestrated pile-on by members of the group. I know it was orchestrated because I saw the orchestration with my own eyes, and it was instigated by the author of the diary, who had admitted to me and the entire group that she was sensationalizing the story.

It became clear to me at this point that this particular poster had no interest in the well-being of RedState as a site other than to advance her own career as a muckracker. I was disgusted to see RedState commenters, who should have known better, piling on someone who had the temerity to disagree with her. I removed myself from the list and noted in public on the site that I would ban anyone involved in any more orchestrated group pile-ons. I also stated to the group my belief that the conspiracy theories needed to be toned down or at least peddled somewhere other than RedState. I had hoped that this would adequately convey to the problem diarist in question that this particular sort of story was not welcome at RedState anymore.

It did not.

Instead, it inexplicably prompted her to double down on the story in a third installment which was yet more outrageous than the first two. When I realized that she was continuing to use the site to raise her own profile despite the fact that she knew that the story was (in the most charitable view of events) an exaggeration, I snapped, and left an admittedly intemperate comment in the diary. Although the tone of this comment was not one of calm and reflection, I stand by the substance, and I also stand by the decision to call out someone whom I believed (and still do believe) was misusing a site into which I had poured a great deal of time and effort.

Those two actions created a rift between many of the frontpagers here (most notably including myself) on the one hand and that diarist and her supporters on the other hand that regrettably would never heal. They engaged in a course of conduct (which primarily occurred behind the scenes of RedState) which was designed to get back at me for confronting her in this manner. I am not going to rehash most of it here, but given that it is the subject of a substantial bit of discussion I will confirm that I did receive a certified letter at my workplace in which the diarist threatened to “invoke her lawyers” based on my actions at RedState.

Over time it became clear that the controversy would not die down and that the two groups would simply not be able to coexist in harmony at RedState. No community can abide a sustained campaign of backbiting for long, especially when a committed group seeks to foment dissension in the ranks. I offered to resign (if one can be said to resign from an unpaid position which does not technically exist) if it was thought to be in the best interest of the site, and this offer was declined. Thus the decision had to be made to remove the worst agitators from the scene, suffer the consequences, and move on as a site. They will not return. Although some have suggested that they were removed for no reason other than Rule 303, I can guarantee that this was a decision reached after literally weeks of deliberation and discussion, and hopes that perhaps the entire situation would blow over.

I know that many of you who have bothered to read this far probably hate me. I am a relatively thick-skinned individual, and although I wear the hatred of idiots like MMFA and NOW as a badge, it’s a different thing altogether to be hated by the people whom I’ve interacted with in the comments and at gatherings for the better part of 6 years. If any of you are wondering whether I am bothered by the disruption in harmony at the site and the fact that many people (correctly or incorrectly) believe me to be responsible for it, the answer is an unequivocal “yes.” I realize at this point I’m not going to do anything to change it with most of those people and the die is cast. I can only hope that the folks who have departed find success wherever they go and that they are able to help the conservative cause in the way they are best able. Perhaps this will be a case of good fences making good neighbors.

Meanwhile, here at RedState we march on. Traffic this week has been about exactly what it always is, and I’m sure it will be the next and the week after that. I am not nearly so naïve or proud that I think it would be any different if I left today. The work being done at RedState has reached critical mass – thanks to the tireless effort of so many people – and it will go on without any one of us, or even several of us. That observation, however, does not mean that we do not care, and that the people who run this site have not expended countless hours deliberating over how to best handle a conflict involving a relatively small number of people in the community.

It is appropriate that we take some time to grieve for fences broken and thus we have been extremely lenient in moderating the various disputes that have arisen since Sunday. To my knowledge not a single person has been banned for expressing disagreement with the site’s decision, no matter how stridently. I hope that the time will come soon, however, that we will move on and that those who are able and willing will re-engage for the fight that lies ahead.

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  • Common_Cents
    • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Socrates

      As a long-time Redstate diarist and member in good standing of the former list, I watched the events unfold with mixed emotions.

      This thing has hit me pretty hard. I’ve been posting here for five years now, and count several people here as real-life friends — including (for my part) Leon.

      Partly, it’s because I believe in accepting allies as they are, and not expecting too much from people. People have strengths and weaknesses — and that applies both to personal matters and policy perspectives. We don’t all agree on every issue or on how things should be done. In particular, we don’t all have the same ethical framework, as we have seen made clear.

      I apply that philosophy in dealing with conspiracy theorists. If we were to toss out everyone who believes things they can’t prove, there would be no one left, including me. I tend to reject such things when confronted with them, but we can’t do that for ourselves. It’s a human thing not to question what we don’t question.

      I didn’t like the groupthink piling on, especially during election season (and after) when a certain Christine O’Donnell supporter was attacked for being a Christine O’Donnell supporter. Rather than deal with arguments, people here (not all members of any clique that I know) attacked him for arguments he’d made in the past, or simply for backing someone who had lost. I don’t want to threadjack, so that’s all I will say.

      But the answer to the Recommended list is not to try to prevent people from lobbying their friends about it — that’s a fool’s errand. And if that’s the policy, why is there a twitter link? I tweet a diary, and it goes out to my twitter followers, not to the world.

      To paraphrase Justice Brandeis, the remedy to people forming cliques is more cliques. There is no resource shortage in recommendations, only in entries at the top. If the parameters for maintaining the list do not adequately serve the intended function, then the problem is with the algorithm, not the input.

      The problem here is that the site managers have created a policy of democracy, and do not like the formation of parties.

      Well, this is certainly more than I meant to say. I hope that it’s accepted in the spirit of friendship and not animosity, because that’s how it was written.

  • gekster

    I will not even come close to saying I understand what happened.
    I live by the rule that I am a guest in this house,
    and can give input, but I can not demand.
    Some whom I have called friend are gone, and so be it.
    But I think that as with any crash,
    you bury the dead,
    tend to the wounded,
    haul off the junk,
    clean up the street,
    and then move on.

  • acat

    I’m sure we won’t agree on everything going forward, but I respect your candor.

    You’re right, this doesn’t explain everything, but .. it would be foolish for us to expect that. To borrow from C.S. Lewis, we’re only told our own stories… and from what you have shared, it’s evident that there are a number of others involved, to whom these events look different. So what? Same thing could be said of commuters sharing a morning train ride.

    I will say this. The Red State response to this list is significantly different, and much more healthy, than the response to that other, more inifamous e-mail coordination cabal, Journolist….

    Best of luck, Leon.

    Mew

  • http://robbinsblog.wordpress.com NickLevi86

    Thanks Leon for the explanation. I had noticed recently that the comments had turned into a huge mess of pilings-on by certain members, repeatedly. Things were just getting stupid. I can only think that it was the background material you mention that got some banned, as many remain who are MUCH worse offenders in comments.

    One thing about the whole “civility” confusion though. Text is extremely limiting to the English language, and it can be impossible to tell what is mockery and what is hate. I was surprised to see Thomas so cutting, even it it was justified by behind-the-scenes crap.

    Perhaps offenders such a LIO would be better served with “DO NOT FEED TROLLS” labels than posts filled with invective.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    * intended in the ancient, positive sense of undeserved gracious action on behalf of those in an inferior position–a sense that appears to have strangely vanished around 234 years ago, but is still so fitting in certain contexts.

    One could even hope that the future RedState will provide more instruction than invective, strategy than sensation, discourse than destruction.

    • lineholder

      that I definitely agree with. Regardless of anything else, including all the possible conspiracy theories combined, we’ve got less than 18 months now before the next election.

      The left is ramping up their efforts to make sure that they get the votes they need to win. We seem to be relying more on….well, I’m not sure exactly what it is that we are relying on right now.

      There’s not a person amongst us who wants Obama to win a second term. On this point, we can definitely agree.

      So when you mention “instruction, strategy, and discourse”, I’m chomping at the bit to say “let’s go all in….if there was ever a time for it, this is it”.

      Conservatives have an amazing opportunity here, and this is what going to define not only what we’re made of as conservatives but it could influence what direction our country goes in for a while.

      Given the fact that this is my viewpoint, the events of the weekend were disappointing and discouraging, because we have more to offer than this and we’re capable of more than this. We were selling ourselves short, in public no less. (Sigh!!!)

      I’m just ready to get on with it, you know???

      • lineholder

        in case you haven’t noticed in the past few days, your female engagement in discussion has dropped off. I caught it, and I think some other women have as well.

        If I wasn’t so horrible with words, I’d try to put up a diary directed mostly at conservative females. Let’s get out there and take on some heavy-duty multi-tasking!!! Little less talk and a lot more action!!! I’m ready to do some classic networking. Let’s get abortion out of here and straighten out our schools….things that conservative females definitely care about it.

        Let the men-folk leave their egos at the door, please.

        Maybe setting this idea out there will give someone who has a greater gift with words than I possess a mission to strive for.

        • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

          “get abortion out of here” as in get rid of it– in the sense that we got rid of slavery and other evils –

          or are you saying get rid of it in the sense of not talking about it anymore? (see: Mitch Daniels)

          • lineholder

            eliminate it from practice as much as we can, but especially remove it from federal hands.

            I did NOT mean don’t talk about it and call “truces” over it.

            Does that clear it up? I hope so. And good to see you here, lady friend.

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            re: your earlier comment — yeah, I’d noticed some rather prickly male egos around here!

            And yeah, without really meaning to, I’d mostly stayed away the last few days — just kind of lost my appetite for it…. but I’m back in the fray! (Got all inspired watching Allen West and Andrew Breitbart take on the muzzies and the lefties, respectively!)

            Think Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Tammy Bruce, Marsha Blackburn, Jan Brewer!

          • lineholder

            feminism conservative style with the big C!!!.

            Look out, America, here we come!!!

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            sorry, too many years in Texas — tend to get carried away…

          • Scope

            the fact that there were also some very prickly females that added their bilge to the flame diary. Please look back at that diary and you will see that there were some female feline claws in that mix. No? One has decided that it’s safe to come out of hiding, and is posting diaries again. I’m all for women, as I am one, but, I don’t want to make it about a gender class warfare. That’s what the Libs do.

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            I was not in “hiding.” Not the way I roll. I’ve been sick, I’ve been busy, and I’ve had other things to do besides RS.

          • Scope

            were in hiding unless you post front page diaries.

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            Are you “pro-choice”?

            My pro-life pieces have been very well-received at RS.

            I seem to remember a lot of claws coming out towards ME the last time I posted something about Islam. There were some people who kept insisting that women being honor-killed, genitally mutilated, forced into marriages under pain of death, burqa-ed, prohibited from driving or going to school, etc., etc., was none of my damn business.

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            Am I right?

          • aesthete

            the idea of a burka ban said, you need a review of your reading comprehension skills.

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander
          • Scope

            heartlander. I’m as pro-life as they get. I’m sure you’ve seen many many men here talking about their belief in pro-life issues as well. My point about separating the genders, and putting one over the other, was in response to all of the guys coming out on here crying about being called misogynists here at RS. You’ve seen those comments recently. The battle between the sexes has been fought over here at RS for a long time, with one person even saying that Palin got to where she did with lateral moves. Believe me the claws came out in response to that comment. I am not a feminazi, and actually see that period in time as being a big part of the cultural shift. I’d much rather be in the fight against the Communists running the country, both the male and female species of them, without women touting their bona fides as though we need to explain ourselves, our intellect, and our guts. I don’t do the Helen Reddy thing with “I am women hear me roar” just to make sure women are recognized as equals. We already are, and have proven it.

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            …and I apologize for my petulance earlier.
            I agree completely with your sentiment here — although I never saw any of the guys crying about being called misogynists that you mention; that was probably before my time! (I’ve only been reading and commenting at RS for less than 6 months, and only posting diaries since November.

            I’m sorry to hear that there’s been such a battle of the sexes going on. But I was a feminist before I was a conservative and I admit I’ve got sensitive radar about that sometimes.

            Thanks for your thoughtful comment.

          • lineholder

            an issue of gender class warfare. Truthfully, I think females have to learn how to multitask on very practical matters. We can be really good at it, too. I was thinking about how great it would be if we could find a way to begin to put some of the practical ability (as one of our strengths) into a positive context during the next 18 months.

            But it seemed to me that females were withdrawing from the conversations going on, and I saw that as being a real loss for the side of conservatives.

            So I guess I did a little “cheerleading” from the bleachers, for lack of a better term.

            It’s wasn’t anything intended to be anything derogatory toward men per se.

            I like men. Life would be truly dull without them.

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            Was Scope’s little snark directed toward YOU? I thought she was dissing ME.

            One thing for sure. These comment threads are not for the faint of heart, or the thin of skin. I’m starting to wonder if it’s worth it. I’ve been on some rough-and-tumble comment threads before — but the only place I’ve ever personally encountered quite such sharp personal rebukes has been one time when I made the mistake of visiting ThinkProgress, the leftie site!

            And I know that I’ve snapped back in return — and I don’t like being that way. In my personal life, I have no enemies that I know of, people think I’m pretty nice — but then I come here and people are nasty to me, and I’m nasty right back — and then feel bad for lowering myself to that.

          • Scope

            Please see my comment to you above explaining my position on the women’s lib thing. Look back at some recent comments from the male species crying about being called misogynists. You haven’t been here when the battle of the sexes was being fought with one who really was a misogynist. I would say that most men here are not. I should have explained myself better in my original comment. Women have already won the battle, and I like to think that we are on the same page with the guys, and have already made the inroads against gender warfare. The guys that still see women as being of lesser value don’t get away with it here, and thankfully they are few, and they don’t last long.

            BTW- I like Palin very much and think she has done great things for our side, and will continue to do so. She isn’t my choice for president however, and I have explained all my reasons for that many times in the past. Actually, there isn’t anyone that excites me for the presidency who currently occupy the possible list.

          • Scope

            Sometimes dull would be a blessing. LOL Please see my comment to heartlander above explaining my position on the women thing.

    • Locked and Loaded

      Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

      Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

      If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

      Romans 12:16-18

      • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

        Good catch! The term also made it into the Westminster Larger Catechism about 36 years after the KJV:

        Answer 189: The preface of the Lord’s Prayer … teaches us, when we pray, to draw near to God with … due apprehensions of his sovereign power, majesty, and gracious condescension …

        as well as at least one hymn that I can recall from 1843:


        He is our Guide and Friend;
        To us He’ll condescend;
        His love shall never end.

        Come, Christians, Join to Sing, text by Christian H. Bateman

        and at several points in J.I. Packer’s 1958 Introductory Essay to John Owen’s “The Death of Death in the Death of Christ”:

        It is the glory of these invitations that it is an omnipotent King who gives them, just as it is a chief part of the glory of the enthroned Christ that he condescends still to utter them.

        But the term cannot be used without qualification on this side of the pond anymore. Not unlike our usage of “elite”–and for much the same reason as well. I have cringed for months as the derogatory usage of that term has skyrocketed here at RS–as if the ones who wield it don’t really want their doctors, pilots, mechanics, soldiers, governors, teachers and pastors to be of the highest caliber! Here I was thinking that was a hallmark of the other side!

        • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

          threw her coca-cola all over a guy who was sexually harassing her at a basketball game and shot darts at him with her eyes as she told him, “Don’t you EVER talk that way to me again.”

          It’s not always a virtue to be docile. Jesus came to proclaim, among other things, the dignity of the human individual. When people roll over and submit to abuse, it encourages and heartens the abusers. I just can’t believe that that’s right.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx
          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            …to L&L’s admonition to be peaceable.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx
          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            So sorry!
            Failed to follow the blue lines! Got onto the wrong sub-thread!
            Plus, I was being oversensitive.
            Plus, I’ve been sick, and think I’ll now just go to bed!

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx
          • Locked and Loaded

            I was hoping it would be an affirmation for Leon.

  • http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme

    Reco’d after only three tries. Sheesh!

    • conservativemusician

      I tried about 10 times and it wouldn’t work and I’ve tried recommending other diaries and it hasn’t worked for them either.

      However, I do highly recommend this diary as it is a great post.

      • rightwingmom52

        some advice from acat prompted me to try hitting shift+recommend. It refreshed the page and my recommend showed up. I have windows vista and am browsing with Firefox. Hope it works for you.

        • conservativemusician

          Worked like a charm. :-)

          • rightwingmom52
  • conservativemusician

    (n/t)

    • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

      I had no idea that all that was going on.
      All I knew is that some people were pissed at other people, and I was afraid maybe I’d done something wrong and was going to be banned!
      Thanks for clearing it up.

  • lineholder
  • Goldwater_Conservative

    I think I understand now

  • hoosierteacher

    I have some mixed views, and here they are.

    Most importantly, your word is good for me. I’ve read your work, and even e-mailed with you a couple of times. I even remember when you started law school. I have a lot of respect for you, and won’t question your account of the current episode. You said it, I buy it, done. Your word is good enough for me, and based on your account of this episode, your side is my side.

    On the other hand, at least one person on our side of this issue did nothing but post snarky comments against people and (in my mind) baited people constantly. Indeed, I can never seem to find a comment by the guy discusses politics, policies, or news. Its one attack right after another.

    That isn’t to say the guy isn’t on the right side of things, but that his very approach (banning threats, name calling, etc) just inflame the situation. That person didn’t seem to get a public slap down.

    An entirely different person comes to mind as well. This person (who was also on the correct side of the argument) received compliments after using terms like STFU, and those complimentary comments came from the site’s staff today, including Erick himself.

    This particular writer is one of my favorites, and has a great wit. But I daresay that if someone in opposition to your side had used some of the language and vitriol that this writer did, he would have been banned instead of complimented.

    There seems to be double standard for politeness on the site. A flame war can erupt because of a troll or a conspiracy theorist, but it can also flame when someone on the correct side of the issue stokes the fire by using hateful words.

    The former writer I’m talking about raced all over the comments sections making personal comments. The latter kept his powder dry, but when he made his comment it wasn’t too civil. That’s his perogative, and it is the perogative of the staff to “thank” him. But we’ll never reach an adult level of discourse if we don’t police our own side too.

    Again, thanks Leon. And rec’d.

    • Joshua Persons

      Nt

      • hoosierteacher

        …that is the problem at Red State (in my opinion). It is the tone here. I let my self get sucked into it, so I’m not blameless. But you can’t seem to read a post (front page or diary) or many comments without the tone being about attacking someone else for their views.

        Grown ups that would like some serious news or civil discussion get turned off. We get thousands of hits a day, so I guess anger sells. But if the tone on BOTH sides of any infighting at RS doesn’t calm down, nobody can point fingers.

        • Common_Cents

          I agree that it’s the tone towards each other on the same team that is deteriorating. This includes some of the mgt/mods not just us lowly commenters :)

    • Common_Cents
  • gekster

    good to see you again. :)

  • chbroussard

    While I’ve only been on Redstate for ~1-1/2 years, I enjoy reading it every morning with my coffee and have recommended it to numerous friends. So the incident was not only troubling but confusing, as no real facts were available to those of us not involved.

    While I know that one of my favorites is no longer a Redstater, I now have a better understanding of why. I appreciate the fact that you have shared insight with those of us not in the know, and think this will enable all of us to move forward.

    I have learned so much from this site, and the next year and a half is vital to the survival of our country. I agree with lineholder. We need to get on with it. We have much bigger fish to fry.

    Thank you for clearing the fog. Now…..let’s roll.

  • rightwingmom52

    and I certainly hope not, but I can only speak for myself. I said in another comment that I consider RS my “political church.” Members may disagree from time to time (not saying I disagree with you), but I think the vast majority of the folks here are on the same side and are here to learn and help one another in the fight for our country.

    I do struggle with praying for my enemies, and I’ve said some pretty un-Christian things about Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Lindsey Graham, et.al, in the heat of anger for which I’ve had to repent, but nothing that rises to the level of hate. If they can’t get me there, I doubt anyone here can.

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    Frankly, I’ve found this whole thing spooky, in a post-modern, disembodied way. Prior to the dust-up, I envisioned most of the folks who involved themselves here (-in especial, the Member Diaries section) as busy folks, with many and varied interests, with textured demands on their lives, who chatted and posted at whiles; Clearly, there was a core of folks that did the heavy lifting, but the rest of us were impassioned (to one degree or another) guests.

    It is now difficult for me to wrap my brain around the fact that, no, there is actually a group of folks out there in bloggerland that sit in the quiet corners of their homes (or wherever), for untold hours, tittering and conspiring with one another, and flame away at their keyboards, thinking they are actually carrying on some sort of human contact by typing what amounts to little 0′s and 1′s, and getting inflated egos by doing it.—And, to top it off, calling in the ambulance chasers when things go off the rails. It is more than a little creepy. Especially for a conservative site.

    I sensed that there might be some sort of chicanery going on, when, for example, a VB diary would post one minute, and be on the Recommended list twenty minutes later; Of course, I chalked it up more to my ignorance, and inexperience, especially when the vast bulk of Vassar diaries were enjoyable– sometimes stretching a tad for relevance, sometimes a little obtuse or folksy-homily, but almost always enjoyable and insightful to read nonetheless. More confusing and head-shaking to me is the loss of EPU, and the self-exiled texasgalt: These guys were wonderful.

    And, as a newbie, it WAS frustrating to attempt to bring a fresh view on a timely topic, invest a few hours on research and editing, and then watch your work spin down the memory hole with nary a peep. Of course, the other side of that coin was that this worked also as a carrot to make your work even better, to edit a little more clearly and so forth, so that next time a few more folks might be favorably impressed. But, your concerns for this reality were well-stated, in my view.

    So, anyway, thanks much for a (well written and cogent) Hayes Office version of “Inside Baseball”. The road ahead is much easier to navigate when you can see the guardrails.

    • streiff

      think about how quiet and pleasant most workplaces would be if you didn’t have a small group gossiping, backbiting, and keeping things in an uproar. If they just clocked in and clocked out life would be so easy.

    • itrytobenice

      But your post has brought me back out of the wood work. This is the reason my mom always said that a half truth functions much as a lie. People get the wrong impression.

      I was one of the notorious cabal from its inception. We were ‘live’ for several years and though only about half of the group was RedStaters, those of us who were active here were pretty active on the group list as well. We had at least 7 front pagers and moderators on our list, including one of the newest ones.

      We were absolutely *not* formed with any intention of manipulating RedState or the member diaries. We simply wanted to be able to further the conservative agenda and talk about stuff that is impolite or banned at RS. RS tries to be politically acceptable to the DC chattering classes so we can get the Congresscritters and other important people to post here, so we naturally can’t talk about some of the issues in a very free manner (just as a random example: the relationship between Islam and terrorism.) It just isn’t conducive to polite conversation.

      Plus we let ourselves cuss. And after McCain got the nomination, for some reason that seemed really important.

      Now, for the recommended diary list: Sure a lot of the good diarists were in the cabal and a lot of their stuff went right on up the food chain. But one of the things that provoked an invite to the list was good quality writing on RS. People who were regular writers and involved here became friends with one or more of us and we would recommend them for the group.

      But one of the things that we took very seriously was trolling the diaries for work that was getting ready to drop off without attention. Penguin, especially, made a special point to bring over at least two diaries a day that she thought were well written works by non-cabalists that needed some attention. Many other people did the same thing when they saw something good.

      I brought over yours and dhorowitz3′s when I spotted them (as well as many other random diaries which I spotted), as both of you impressed me as great writers. (Surely you noticed an occasional sudden spike in your recommends and comments) We didn’t all recommend everything that came over to the group. We didn’t find them all. We all have lives, jobs, children, spouses, and some of the cabalists have their own blogs as well. There were many days when I didn’t get to read any of the posts of the group for the whole day so whatever got brought over that day got ignored by me, and I’m positive I’m not alone in that.

      Leon acts like he knows everything that went on over there, but he only participated very rarely, and when he did it was generally right in the middle of a big brawl. Yes, we definitely had them. And like I said, we were allowed to cuss, so the gloves were not just off, they were flying all over the place.

      For a short period of time a certain diarist, who shall go unnamed but I’ll use the alias LIO to refer to that person, was a member of our cabal and it had a reaction similar to the reactions found in typical high school chemistry labs all over the country. She may personally be a nice person (I don’t know because I don’t know her at all), but shall we say…flammable? Leon’s actions during that particular fight were offensive to many of us and yes, he left the list after that. Not that we (or at least many of us) defended her at all, we just thought he acted like a … Well. Let’s just say we didn’t think he was a particularly high quality person right then.

      But if we were so bad, and so bad for RedState, why did the other six front pagers remain as active members?

      And I can remember several times that we got a snarky post from someone saying something like: “Look at this d@mn troll that got into my diary” but that was *very* rare. And for the times it did happen, it did seem like it congregated around a certain highly flammable diarist.

      All this other flame war nonsense that goes on here on RS is strictly and only because “Sarah Palin”. And that’s because she provokes passionate responses. (Plus for a while CPAC and teh gays.) It has absolutely nothing to do with the cabal. As a matter of fact, though we have fought about everything you can imagine, and quite vociferously, I can’t recall a single post ever about Sarah on the cabal list.

      And to address one other thing that just irritates the fire out of me, if Leon (or any other moderator) found so many great diaries that we missed, why the h377 didn’t he take it to either our list or the other super-secret moderator cabal-list and get it some recommends? Or put it on the front page? It wasn’t our full time job to look for overlooked diaries. It’s as much his responsibility as it is ours. And every one of the front pagers has a recommend button as well.

      And if you doubt that the moderators can pull in some numbers from their off-RS communications, just look at the responses to this comment in an open thread:

      Erick, you generally seem more conservative
      sheila Friday, February 18th at 2:14PM EST (link)

      than pro-forma Republican. With that in mind, might I suggest that hosting guest columnists such as ?Leon Wolf? (thread about Lara Logan) is counter productive. As one commenter noted, Mr. Wolf?s initial column, and numerous ripostes to commenters, were in the vein of an exalted and all-knowing one speaking to those of minimal intelligence. This ?dissenters will not be tolerated because they?re wrong and hence evil? stance tends to be more identified with the Left, at present, although many on the putative right are hard at work to equal their left liberal brethren. I am increasingly giving a pass to numerous movement conservative websites because of the growing intolerance to any but the accepted viewpoint, based on classic liberal norms. I?m not a libertarian, or a neocon, or a Ron Paul adherent; I?m not a right liberal; neither am I particularly evil nor unintelligent nor even uneducated. I merely disagree with certain standard shibboleths, and if you are comfortable with others at your website dismissing dissenting voices as stupid and/or intolerant, then perhaps I should increasingly give Red State a pass too.

      Sheila
      Jeff Emanuel Friday, February 18th at 3:18PM EST (link)

      Perhaps you should educate yourself about RedState and its Contributors before you suggest that an individual with six years? service as a RedState Contributor and Moderator is a ?guest columnist? whose views should be unwelcome here.

      Just food for thought. I suggest you consume it.

      -JE

      you’re referring to the same Leon H. Wolf
      streiff Friday, February 18th at 3:18PM EST (link)

      who has been a regular front page writer since 2005? If so, I?d suggest you take that factoid into consideration.

      ?A man does what he can and endures what he must.?

      You’ve been here since…November?
      Dan McLaughlin Friday, February 18th at 3:18PM EST (link)

      I ask because Leon has been a front page Contributor on this site for more than six years.

      ?No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.? – Winston Churchill

      The truly entertaining bit is that *Leon* gets to be the squish.
      Moe Lane Friday, February 18th at 3:22PM EST (link)

      Dagnabbit, *I?m* the squish.

      Check out my blog at http://moelane.com/.
      http://moelane.com/filthy-lucre-filthy-lucre/
      http://twitter.com/moelane

      My (combined) wish list.

      Not only is Leon…
      hoosierteacher Friday, February 18th at 3:32PM EST (link)

      one of the earliest contributers at RS, but he was correct in his article.

      So let?s see Sheila; longtime contributor writes a post that new member Shelia doesn?t like, thus get rid of Leon. Just wow.

      I think you put as much mental effort into this crazy attack on Leon as you did on the attack against his article.

      Sad.

      ?Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep? – Defoe

      Leon
      Brian Faughnan Friday, February 18th at 3:32PM EST (link)

      You should click on the author?s name, If you click on his name, you will see his writing history. It?s better to be informed before popping off.

      sheila, you are my new favorite commenter
      Leon H. Wolf Friday, February 18th at 3:34PM EST (link)

      I look forward to your comments explaining how I am short, slender, and have a fulsome head of hair – but do try to space them out so as to maximize the entertainment value.

      ????
      They?re *illusions*, Michael. A trick is something a whore does for money. Or candy!

      It’s Friday, sheila
      E Pluribus Unum Friday, February 18th at 4:02PM EST (link)

      I must say, I chuckled so much over this at lunch that neighbors were afraid to look into my cube to see if my hands were on the desk.

      Kill the Terrorists
      Protect the Borders
      Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

      God bless you Sheila
      Erick Erickson Friday, February 18th at 5:40PM EST (link)

      I laughed and laughed at this.

      Leon is not just a front page contributor, he?s also a good friend and his post was most excellent.
      image

      Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

      Congrats, sheila
      Bill S Friday, February 18th at 7:44PM EST (link)

      You got more contributors to respond to a single post than I can remember. You gave us all a really good laugh. Now we refer to Leon as our resident liberal? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      ?It?s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.? – David St. Hubbins

      After doing a little research, I have discovered that “sheila” is a posting alias of
      Tbone Friday, February 18th at 8:05PM EST (link)

      someone named ?Harriet Miers?. Must be a history there???

      Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

      This is amazing.
      Christine (Trelaina) Friday, February 18th at 8:16PM EST (link)

      Darn shame she appears to be a drive-by commenter who doesn?t read replies.

      ?I would be a poor Commander in Chief?
      ? Barack Obama, July 3 2008

      Sheila, many are the names of Mithrandir; he comes seldom but when his help is needed -nt-
      CincoSolas_del_Bronx Friday, February 18th at 8:38PM EST (link)

      Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

      soli Deo gloria

      Just for the record
      Thomas Crown Friday, February 18th at 11:11PM EST (link)

      This made my day.

      By the way: Leon was right.

      ????
      We are all heroes, you and Boo and I. Hamsters and rangers everywhere, rejoice!

      5 (nt)
      Neil Stevens Friday, February 18th at 11:30PM EST (link)

      Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

      Which, if I counted it right, brought out 11 current or former front pagers. Now just imagine if their list was used to recommend user diaries that they found in the middle of the night that were wasting away in oblivion. Wouldn’t any of us here be thrilled to get that kind of attention?

      Anyway, I didn’t want you to go away from this brouhaha with the mistaken idea that our cabal was a bunch of evil people trying to take over the recommended list at RS and drive others before us, while we listened to their wails and the lamentations of their women (to paraphrase Conan). I read your works; I took them to the cabal when I spotted them; and we recommended them and commented on them. And you are not the only one who got that treatment. Not by a long shot.

      • Common_Cents

        Now I know what its like to be punked. lol.

        • itrytobenice

          Assuming I’m not forgetting even more, there are actually 11 front pagers/moderators who were a member of our group, 10 of whom remained after Leon left.

          • http://vladenblog.tumblr.com Steve Maley

            My invitation to join the cabal came two or three months before the first RedState Gathering, where I became a contributor. I was happy to get a chance to correspond with more of the active and enthusiastic diarists and commenters who I had come to know on these pages. Seems to me that my role there was more of a sideline observer, but in any regard I have definitely seen both sides.

            Ref. my recent diary on conspiracies. It is easy to connect the dots and see a conspiracy where there is none. While writing that diary, I fully expected someone to pop up and point out that irony wrt our internal cabal.

            The primary reason that the group came together, as I appreciate it, was to foster a sense of community among a subset of like-minded folks. It was part mutual admiration society and part support group. I honestly do not think there was a conscious attempt on anyone’s part, either to actively “game the system” for Recommended Diaries or to gang-tackle newbie commenters. But there was a “hey, look what I just wrote” quality about some of the emails, and for some of the members, that was the only reason for their participation.

            Those diaries often became the ones on the Recommended Diaries list. There were several times that I can remember that 80-100% of the Recommended Diaries section were from that small group.

            I do not doubt the sincerity of the individual recommendations. The writing was often deserving, insightful and well-written. What I am saying is that it is easy for me to see how an outside observer could look at the results and conclude that there was some “funny business” going on.

            I distinctly remember before joining the group that I was one of the diarists who complained long and loud that the Recommendation system being “broken”. In the old days, five or six reccos was enough to propel a diary halfway up the recco list, where it might stay for half a day before sinking back. The diaries with the most reccos stayed at the top of the list for maybe a day. Then, at some point, it began taking 12-15 reccos to even crack the list. Sometimes a diary would stick at the top of the list for nearly a week.

            It is very frustrating to have a good idea, spend 2-3 hours researching and writing a diary, only to have it sink off to oblivion (or “Bolivian”, if you’re Mike Tyson) with nobody noticing. Some of the old regulars who had quietly left RedState have returned in the last week or so, saying that the difficulty getting their writing noticed was the reason they had left in the first place. Their contribution is as good as or better than some of those who left in a snit, so I rate it a net gain.

            There are many earnest, sincere and dedicated bloggers in that group. I count many of them as friends, some of them “virtual” friends since we have not had the pleasure of meeting face to face. You mentioned penguin, in particular. I agree that she has always been great about looking for quality material to promote, on and off the list.

            While I’m on a roll, let me add that I’m not a big fan of mods calling people out in the diaries, openly and publicly. On the other hand, some commenters require a lot of private reminding to mind their manners.

            We all need a thicker skin.

            The Directors run this place and have every right to set the tone as they see fit. All diarists, commenters and lurkers have the capacity to decide for themselves whether it is a comfortable and constructive site to participate in.

            One last comment. I have no use for anyone who would threaten, or even obliquely suggest, legal action against the folks that run this site. If it were up to me, I’d boot them so fast their heads would spin.

          • itrytobenice

            It’s probably been said here and I just absolutely missed it (because there’s been a LOT of stuff written about this that I haven’t read, having decided to go elsewhere for my political fix, at least for a time) but I want to make sure that anyone who reads my comment and the responses knows this.

            EPU, $peciallist and Vassar Bushmills were banned on the night of the long knives and I know for an absolute fact that they did not threaten legal action against the site or anyone else. I don’t have any communication with LIO, and I understand from talking to others that she did so, but I don’t want anyone to paint the other banned with that brush.

            I don’t know of anyone else who got a permanent ban on that night, but I know of the four that I do know, only one did anything like that. The others absolutely did not participate in any threats of anything: either legal, physical, mental, social or anything else.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
          • streetwise

            It existed to promote conservative activism. It did not act in lockstep. Some people were more active than others. Some people basically used it to pimp their own wares. Others really tried to to develop a community and were supportive of the work of others. The list was not focused exclusively on RS. Some people hardly participated at all.

            I had a chance to observe the RS luminaries who were part of the list. How to put this gently? Some did not cope well with an environment where their FP powers were inoperative.

            I found the list experience to be exhausting. I could not keep up with all the stuff that the collective wanted everyone to keep up with. The dramas were like the “Fasten your seatbelts” scene in “All About Eve”. The hangovers were worse.

            Finally, many of the controversial recurring recommends on diaries were NOT FROM THE LIST AT ALL. As I pointed out in my social media piece, there are proliferating networks in all social media. And networks overlap. A sole magic list that can explain away all the confusion inherent in new media is a comforting blankie, but hardly a thing for adults to believe in.

            I blame Obama for a lot of the destructive dynamics we have witnessed. He has been pushing an essentially socialist agenda, and we are freaking out. And as Oscar Wilde observed, socialism takes up too many evenings. We’re stuck with it, I guess.

          • itrytobenice

            We’re a lot like America. The founders formed the Constitutional Republic but bemoaned the formation of political parties.

            RS formed a social networking informational site and bemoan the formation of friendships (or call them cliques if you’re still all high-schoolish). And we overlap, integrate and fight much as the political parties do. Welcome to the jungle.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        We actually decided a couple of days ago that the contributors are going to make a stronger effort to participate in the rec system.

        Which isn’t to say we’re going to decide to gang rec. Not at all. We’ve asked the contributors just to make an independent effort to participate in the system.

        PS your 11 number is slightly overblown as there is no single line of communication that hits all 11. At least some of that was natural and not driven by a conversation about the given comment.

        • itrytobenice

          because at least two of those are former contributors and not current contributors.

          But that means two things: When a whole bunch of contributors get engaged in something, it draws attention; and that this particular comment generated enough interest on the ‘old-timers’ list (as opposed to the all-current-front-pagers list) to draw even Thomas out of the ethernets.

          And I’m glad they’ve decided to pay some attention to the members and their mad scribblings. I think they’ll discover that some of them are quite good and deserved more attention that you guys have given in the past.

          Unfortunately, they may also discover, as we did, that you have to wade through a lot of inconsequential stuff to find them. (Hence my dismay over the lack of the ‘above the fold’ method we used to have of screening stuff out. And I’m not griping. I understand that the change in platform made certain things difficult. I just still hate having lost it.)

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            I thought the whole Leon/LIO thing proved we pay attention.

            We just didn’t recommend very much. For a long while I’ve been recommending at a rate of about twice a month, and I’m thinking I’m about typical.

            So we’re going to fix that.

          • itrytobenice

            came along a lot more because of the big, hairy fight they had over the Chevron/Equador thing, don’t you? After that, the well was well and truly poisoned and the whole situation was just simmering, waiting to boil over at the first opportunity.

            Unfortunately, we all got caught in the splashing from the boil-over.

            And like I said, I’m glad you guys are going to begin to recommend. And hopefully comment more as well. It does seem as if most of the moderator comments are tied up in moderation, rather than actual participation in the subject of the diary. And most of you guys got to be moderators because you have something to contribute besides a blam stick.

      • conservativecurmudgeon

        I’ve not know (until now) who might have been involved in this “cabal” (I think I might use “league” or “club” or some such, actually, now that it’s been explained in a little more detail), and, in my above post, in response to Leon W, I was picturing a small group of folks, anyway. And, as I’ve said, almost to a person, most of the folks who have participated here are of a patriotic, thoughtful, conservative mind, and thus, the tendency toward “evil” in this context would be rather tiny, anyway. I never thought them “evil”

        Rather, I saw them as possibly self-important when consumed with thoughts of typing away and posting in the rather anonymous environs of the internet, and thinking it somehow equates to real human connectivity. Which, by the way, is why I LOVE ColdWarrior: He’s all about getting out from behind the keyboard and DOING something. But, you’ve explained rather concisely why it may not be so…

        So, that’s all. And therein lies part of the built-in handicap of the internet: It is at once the epitome of anonymity, and the epitome of self-exposure, and the twain cannot meet in any logical way. So, weirdness is a foul result. But, the whole place is man-scented, not God scented, anyway, so what else should we expect…?

        Thank you SO MUCH, by the way to giving such a well reasoned narrative for your stand. And also, thank you so much for the kind words in reference to the items I’ve written. It means a great deal to me.

        • itrytobenice

          As to our size, there were about 80 of us, and probably about half were on RS. The remainder were either writers on popular blogs or influential on twitter.

          And as others have stated, our primary purpose was to spread the word far and wide about conservatism. And by emailing each other, we were able to bring attention to a lot of blog posts, both here and on other sites and get them out on FB or twitter, plus cross linking them. By doing that we were hoping to increase our rankings on search engines and help each other find interesting information.

          Any conservative activist knows that you simply can’t find all the good posts out there and still have a life. Probably not even if you are willing to give up the life part of that. There is just not time in the day.

          eburke elaborates on this somewhat in his new diary, “A Matter of Honor” where some of the other members of our little coven outed themselves as well.

          • c17wife

            “….Rather, I saw them as possibly self-important when consumed with thoughts of typing away and posting in the rather anonymous environs of the internet, and thinking it somehow equates to real human connectivity…”

            This notion in particular really bothered me. Because that is the exact opposite of those that I know. Thanks for clearing that up.

          • itrytobenice

            I didn’t think this diary posted a very accurate picture of our little conservative enclave, which is why I burned all those pixels and minutes on these ridiculously, embarrassingly long posts.

            But I feel like I was involved with friends (for the most part) and didn’t like the inaccurate impression people were getting of my friends and their efforts.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            given the list of FP’ers, there was never, in the history of the group, a comment made to the effect that the group was trying to “game” anything. Had any RS moderator or contributor noted that it looked like we were gaming the system, it would have been addressed. It wasn’t because it never happened. And I just happen to have a complete archive of every email from the inception of the group.

            There was also no commentary relative to “promoting” group members to the exclusion of others. Specifically, the exact opposite happened (as you noted above), when you and several others on a regular basis pointed to great diaries that hadn’t gotten much attention. I haven’t counted, but I know that happened over the last year or so on pretty much a daily basis.

            And finally, with respect to “ganging up on commenters”, that happened exactly once. I put up an note about the idiot from Delaware who had been CO’Ds campaign manager who was off the rails. I responded to him and at one point Neil (not a member of the group) said in effect, have at him. I posted Neil’s comment and suggested it was excellent advice. It did attract some attention from a few of the members. In retrospect, aside from me, most of the people who went after the guy and his various sock puppets were not group members.

          • c17wife

            While I lay mostly dormant on the other side of the Atlantic, I did tons of reading and very little commenting on many diaries that I would have never even given the time of day without a tip from one of my old time RS kindred spirits.
            And some of those topics discussed helped me educate some of my military wife friends that were not politically aware. Did it change any minds in the end? I think so. And at the end of the day…isn’t this what we are supposed to be doing?

      • http://www.objectivistcenter.org/ Eric Olsen

        Taking it upon yourselves to be the arbiters what deserves attention when nary a one of you have been granted the authority to do so should answer anyone’s question as to why certain individuals are no longer with us.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I’ve been a moderator on some gaming sites and it’s a thankless job.

    I agree with your sentiment that it is too bad that we have severed some conservatives from our midst.

    Hopefully, the rest of us can get back to holding the toes of the GOP to the fire and defeating the Dems.

    • donnybrooke

      As a former moderator on gaming sites, you have my deepest sympathy.

    • rightwingmom52

      As the mother of a former teenager who frequented gaming sites, you have my sincerest apologies.

  • gop2010

    The worst thing about JournoList was the absolutely childish high-school level of behavior. I think it is the forum that creates the behavior, and seems to have borne out on the political right as well. Cliques are unhealthy.

    I was quite confused about this up to now. I now understand that it looked odd to us because the behavior that got these people banned didn’t really happen here. One uncivil piler-on looks much like another from our perspective. Thanks for the explanation.

    • 6eorge Jetson

      The Journolist involved MSM folks that hung out a shingle as impartial newsfolk while acting as advocates for the Left. A systemic scandal. To me that was the worst thing about the Journolist.

      As to the childish high-school behavior of the Journolist, well, any group of humans are susceptible to that.

      Systematic and willful misrepresentation of the group as a whole (Journolist)? Unacceptable and intolerable from the Group.

      In regards to the specifics, I’ll quote Obama from the Skip Gates incident: “I don?t know ? not having been there and not seeing all the facts.” Unlike Obama, I’ll stop there. However, I think it’s safe to classify this RedState incident as one of individuals or factions jockeying within the larger enterprise/mission. You can’t stop this from happening at the Group level, you can only hope to manage it.

  • http://www.hickpolitics.com Dave Poff (haystack)

    As an aspiring Catholic who is currently learning about Reconciliation and Penance and Acts of Contrition, I’m reminded by your post of what these things mean in the larger context; speaking aloud to God (through a Priest) and admitting our weaknesses (to Him and to ourselves) while asking forgiveness and receiving instruction on how to amend our many transgression(s) so we can redouble our efforts to go forth and sin no more.

    It’s an idea that even non-Catholics can relate to, and something we imperfect creatures can only try, over time, to accomplish.

    As a 6 year member of RedState-both on the left and the right side of the page I have come to know (and become good friends with) a great many people…most of whom I pray still remember me in a more-positive-than-negative light. Your list of recommenders in this diary reflects this is how things have worked out for you here, as well.

    Because of RedState I have come to know many fine people on our side of the political divide, and have watched folks find ways to come together to fight the good fight. This recent series of events really only has an effect on the matter of venue for folks…and your reminder is a good one: if not here, then somewhere else and we wish you well.

    People change, they move on, they redirect, and they start anew. RedState is changing, and this necessarily means that not everyone will find the same value in the Mothership they once did. Others will. And so it goes.

    What happened over the past few weeks…and this weekend’s RedState version of the10th plague, was terrible and it didn’t need to happen… not, at least, in the way that it happened. But it did, and we all made our choices on how to process the events as they unfolded…we sure can’t be upset at folks getting emotional when RedState has been the very place we’ve encouraged people to go when they are fired up about an issue…but it is what it is.

    There will be, as you say, people that come after us just as there are people that have gone before us…and the beat goes on. Some of us are gone, willingly or otherwise, and some hang on. My only regret, for those that tried to say their last goodbye to the people they’d considered their “friends in the fight” in recent years, is that there was a basic inability to respect their last words and let them go in peace. The mockery, from both sides, was a low moment.

    I hope you guys address that going forward.

    • c17wife

      in a positive light. :-)
      Money quote right here…and why this grieves me so…

      “What happened over the past few weeks?and this weekend?s RedState version of the10th plague, was terrible and it didn?t need to happen? not, at least, in the way that it happened.”

      There was just no need. No need at all.

  • Doc Holliday

    I did a pretty good job of guessing for an outsider. All except for the crazy court order.

    I had to recco this for the reference to “rule .303″

  • nilram

    I think I found the “intemperate comment” to which you refer and frankly don’t think you were out of line. Especially if what you say above is true.

    In reading the comments on that diary, I was saddened to see the names of long time posters who quite frankly should know better. And honestly, I think banning the lot of them would not have been out of line, sad but not inappropriate.

    Anyway, this was a great diary, and consider the events of the last week or so, I think it was greatly needed. I thank you again for posting this and highly recommend this to anyone interested in the events of the last week.

    • nilram

      I meant to add this earlier but forgot.

      I’ve been here for ~5 years. (It’d be really nice if I could check :) I used to think that there were times that the moderators were too quick to ban people. Now I’m reevaluating that notion and think maybe moderators are being too lenient.

  • StandardCandle

    Unfortunately many of the complaints have been primarily based upon the emotion of losing a few respected participants in the community. The reality is “Be respectful, or be banned.” was violated the moment that individuals were no longer representing individual thoughts, but became part of group think.

    Things like this happen Leon… Don’t sweat it… the “Kraken” episode will have been forgotten entirely by the next outlandish thing Obama says using a teleprompter, among all the adults in the room.

    And for those that continue to hold on to their false sense of “unfairness” can go suck a rotten “total egalitarian” egg.

    But hey you know, that’s just like…my opinion, man.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    This helped a lot. It is a shame that it came to this.

    I understand the site’s desire to be lenient for awhile and let people be upset…but I hope the return to normal comes sooner than later for the Directors. The childishness and hero worship (approaching RONPAUL!!! levels once or twice) over the past few days has been really frustrating.

  • streetwise

    2) Divine Providence hath given us the delete key for a reason

    3) Like diamonds, polished or in the rough, blog conversations last forever. Or for a very long time, anyway.

    Recco’d as an attempt to move on.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    Maybe this will get me to start writing diaries again. I didn’t know what was going on, but I did experience the “rapidly sinking diary syndrome”.

    • Darin_H

      Not only did I basically stop writing diaries, I really stopped reading them too (I don’t care for cliques anyways). And yes, it was obvious that they were gaming the system.

      • http://vladenblog.tumblr.com Steve Maley
  • Wubbies World

    I missed most of the drama you wrote about -thankfully.

    I am glad your still here.

  • kowalski

    One thing I think might be helpful at least in the short term is to have more of the front pagers and longstanding editors and founders of Redstate contribute entries into the diaries list without them automatically appearing on the front page.

    It would be a little bit of “reverse polarity.”

    I happen to be a Rush fan, both kinds.

    I was really happy to see Mike Krempasky comment in the diaries section the other day, it really made me feel good to see him writing something that didn’t immediately get bumpt to front page status. In other words I think it’s a positive thing for the front pagers to mix things up in diaries and comments because it encourages other people to work harder on their pieces. It certainly did when I first started commenting on Redstate.

    Trevino, that goes for you too. I miss the craft of your writing.

    And by all means if that doesn’t work, don’t just bring out the Kraken and Thor’s Hammer, I want to see the freakin’ Spiked Pipes ;) .

    • kowalski

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R56qgreCRhQ

      “Everybody got mixed feelings…”

      And it’s true.

    • kowalski

      Also falls on me to start writing again in something other than goofball random spurts. I haven’t been a real contributing force to Redstate recently and it’s because I haven’t tried hard enough. I’m going to give RS more of my better hours in the near future and I suggest all of the people who recommended this diary do also.

    • Common_Cents
  • Fla Mom

    I’m too busy ‘mom-ing’ and living my life to be on here as much as I’d like, so I had little if any idea what was going on. It’s nice to be treated as an adult who can hear and accept a reasonable explanation.

    Fla Mom

  • ocleverone

    I have stayed out of this for the most part . (Okay, I did react to her thanking everyone for making her diary one of the most read diaries evah.)

    I stayed out of it because of trust. Trust that the directors had more information and there was more to the behind the scenes than was currently out there.

    Someone on a thread, compared RS to LGF. I don’t think that this a fair comparison. First because this site has always been hands down much more comprehensive and filled with more critical thinking skills. Second, LGF’s choice of direction was based on one man. The Directors represent several strong members who would speak out if needed.

    I was/am a moderator on a political site. In the old days, the site was filled with wonderful and thought provoking postings and there was an excellent exchange of information and ideas.

    A few new posters came with sensationalistic and sometimes unfactual posts. Many of the regulars would comment in agreement to these posts and unless someone said “wait a minute”, the thread would be fired up with everyone agreeing regardless if there was substance or logic in the thread. It seems to be in the nature of many to want to be part of the band wagon.

    Slowly, over the past few years, the other site has evolved to a bunch of disgruntled, tin foil hat wearing posters who made Ron Paul look like a global banker for the Federal Reserve.

    The insightful and those with critical thinking skills faded away, leaving very little traffic other than those that sit behind a keyboard, whine and never met a conspiracy theory they didn’t like.

    I have no clue about the gaming of the system but I trust the Directors enough to accept their position and the reasons whether information is let or not.

    I have always enjoyed your work and would like to thank you and others on this site for making me better prepared.

    I am not the smartest book on the shelf but thanks to RedState and some terrific people, I no longer look like a half finished coloring book either.

    • jimmyg

      You hit the nail on the head as far as your observations as to where this site was headed without the intervention of the Directors. It was my observation that if one of the clique made a claim that was factually incorrect, and that was pointed out, the whistle sounded, and the piling on started.

      • ocleverone

        gaming of the system – I just thought it was the band wagon effect in play.

        Many times I was confused about the piling on but I thought most of the time it was because people who get very passionate about politics.

        But I did see a distintigration of decorum and that was sad.

  • runner12

    It was done with grace and tact, which is often difficult to do in these circiumstances. Well done :)

  • earlgrey

    I was thinking about this recently and how even the threat of legal action can cause a group or organization to shut something down (unless they are tied to big money liberal of course hehe).

    Your post was helpful.

  • http://www.coloradans4palin.com bjwilson83

    My only question is, why is anybody on the right engaging in Journolist type behavior in the first place?

  • Vegas_Rick

    nt

  • Spiral

    I didn’t know much about the controversy. But I get the feeling that those folks would never have been banned had they not seriously stepped out of line.

    We are all on the same team here, really. I realize that it will be hard for many of us, including me, to remember this when the primary season is underway. In any case, reading this post of yours has made me realize how much I appreciate Red State and how unique it is. So, if things get tense over the next year, I’ll remember that this is a rare and special web site.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    Leon mentioned pile-ons. But he was saying that the conspiracy types attacked the skeptics.

    I personally am unfamiliar with those threads. My experience has been precisely the opposite. Sometimes I have tried to connect the dots — e.g., the very real connections between leftists and radical Islam — and boy, did I get attacked! You’d think I was talking about black helicopters or something. Yet all I was doing was making the very same points made by heavyweight people such as David Horowitz and Andrew McCarthy. And in fact, I think I’m pretty conscientious about LINKING to those people — in part, because I want people to go to those links and find out more information on their own; in part, to establish my credibility, i.e., I’m not making stuff up.

    When I got attacked, I referred my critics to the links I’d put in, so they could check things out for themselves. But they boasted about refusing to even look at my links, and asked me to shut up.

  • Jack_Savage

    I didn’t require an explanation, but appreciate it. I am kinda stunned, really. It also makes certain things make sense as I was on the short end of the pile-on stick a couple of times (even though I really didn’t care).

    I guess the point here is to have principles, and act on them. Figure out what is right, and do it. If we can manage that, then short term crap doesn’t amount to anything in the long run. Sticking to principles makes for a very soft pillow, I have found.

  • Cheryl

    I went back and read the diary and it really was a lot of bull. To you and all the site moderators, thanks for keeping Redstate real.

  • stephaniet

    *heavy sigh*

    That’s what I get for being gone for months.

  • Mike Ferguson

    That was more explanation than should have been expected or was required. The fact that someone in the moderator group was willing and/or felt the need to give an explanation shows me that it was not a decision made lightly nor made in haste, anger, or angst.

    Being a supervisor, in the past, I have experienced what a divisive person or Clique can do to a good group/team. Also, as a supervisor I have learned that the best way to handle that kind of behavior is with decisive action. The only thing I can say that is more constructive criticism than a negative is that it may have been allowed to go on a bit to long, but not knowing all that actually happened and in what time frame I can’t really even say that with any conviction.

    I will also say that I had noticed a distinct change in the tone of the site over the past several months and had noticed the dog piles, though I confess to not really noticing the clique, mainly from lack of really trying to figure it out.

    In the end everyone should realize that this happens in any group of people. People come and go, whether by choice or by being driven away, it is part of the way humans are made.

    Leon thank you and all the others for the work you do to keep us informed and educated and I will see everyone in the comments soon.

    Good Day and God Bless.
    Mike

  • Common_Cents

    After various posts have come out from people on the list saying there wasn’t any recco shenanigans going on, but mgt and others say there was. So why wasn’t the whole list banned? Or was it just 3 people banned who were doing it?

  • Crowe

    nt

  • mbauer

    Why not edit the algorithm for front page posts to account for events like that which caused this drama. The more one person recommends a single diarist, the less of an effect that has.
    Hindsight is best, and as a casual reader, who agrees with you (Leon) about the broader picture of your diary (not enough diversity in the rec list, and groups attacking differing opinions too quickly) why not cut off at the source what really gave unfair power to these groups. There is no need for people to sub organize on a sight like this in the fashion that was done. It’s like a high school clique.
    -Matt

  • KC

    If someone comes to Redstates with the sole purpose of seeking recs, then….

    ….they are here for the wrong reason.

  • rick554

    The work of REDSTATE is far too important to let the site get side-tracked like that. I’d say REDSTATE HQ handled the prob just fine.
    Personally, I consider it an honor and privledge to even be allowed to log in or comment.
    Let’s continue on and beat back the hordes that are assaulting our Country.
    GOD bless our TROOPS!!!