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When Petard Hoisting Goes Horribly Wrong

Lefties: Science is hard.

By: Leon H. Wolf (Diary)  |  February 21st, 2012 at 09:12 PM  | 

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It seldom ends well when stupid people try to be clever. The latest case in point involves some Democrats in the Georgia legislature:

This afternoon, the House Judiciary (Non-Civil) Committee will take up HB 954, a measure that would prohibit abortions on women who are more than 20 weeks pregnant. Current law prohibits abortions after the second trimester, or about 24 weeks.

** snip ** (please pardon the pun)

In response, House Democrats have scheduled a 3 p.m. Wednesday hearing at the state Capitol, to propose a bill that would ban Georgia males from seeking vasectomies. From the press release:

“Thousands of children are deprived of birth in this state every year because of the lack of state regulation over vasectomies,” said Rep. Yasmin Neal, author of the bill. “It is patently unfair that men can avoid unwanted fatherhood by presuming that their judgment over such matters is more valid than the judgment of the General Assembly, while women’s ability to decide is constantly up for debate throughout the United States.”

House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams added, “The Republican attack on women’s reproductive rights is unconscionable. What is more deplorable is the hypocrisy of HB 954’s author. If we follow his logic, we believe it is the obligation of this General Assembly to assert an equally invasive state interest in the reproductive habits of men and substitute the will of the government over the will of adult men.”

What really needs to be addressed here is the failure of the Georgia education system. Apparently, these people were mistakenly allowed out of junior high without learning the difference, in terms of the life cycle, between an unfertilized gamete and a viable fetus. I realize that I just used some words the the authors of this bill probably don’t understand so allow me to illustrate the difference between the two in pictures: this and this are fundamentally different in the eyes of both science and the law, and always have been, for reasons that should be obvious to anyone in possession of a human brain.

But there’s yet a more fundamental stupidity at work, here. Let us suppose that the authors of this bill are correct that a woman should have the right to not be pregnant by any means she chooses and at every stage of the reproductive process. See if you can spot the logical error in accomplishing this by outlawing vasectomies.

I’m betting you can.

 

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  • Darin_H

    they watched Legally Blonde at lunch that day.

    • heyitsme

      There is a huge difference between a life not begun and a life that has begun, to be killed. The argument re: vasectomy vs. abortion cannot remain unchallenged: A woman can have a hysterectomy or her vaginal tubes tied; equivalent to the vasectomy of a male.

  • deniser55

    The worst mistake I ever made in my life was the abortion I had when I was eighteen years old. Abortion had just become legal it was the spring of 1973 and this was my second pregnancy. My twins born three months early were still in Prenatal Intensive care. My sister-in-law(who was 6 years older) told us about the clinic and made arrangements to go with me the next day(it was walk, first come, first serve). I was taken into a room, given a hospital gown and told to get undressed. The next fifteen minutes changed my life forever, the guilt and shame I have carried since that day, has never left me.

    I am angry, I was young and NO ONE explained what was going to happen to me or even that the 13 weeks old fetus growing within was a person. They didn’t have sonograms back then. I have wonder way women, like myself couldn’t get together and sue for the pain and suffering we have endured after an abortion, so we can stop this from happening to others like me.
    Just wondering if any one out there as an answer?
    Denise

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      God forgives and can heal all pain, even though you may never fully forgive yourself. You may already be aware of groups like Silent No More, but if not, I’ve linked their website. It seems to have helped other women I know who regret their decision.

      SilentNoMore

      I pray that you will find the forgiveness and comfort you need.

    • sjzack

      If we confess and truly repent our sin, we can trust in God to forgive it. He loves us enough that He chose to die for us. Be grateful and forgive yourself. You were deceived by the Father of lies. But now, God has opened your eyes. He doesn’t love us from where we were but from where we are. So it doesn’t matter what we’ve done, but what we will do from this point on! By your post, it looks to me like your working to atone for your past by educating others in the present. That is the mark of a genuinely repentant heart. Seek healing and self-forgiveness from groups like Silent No More. Be at peace in Him.

    • godschosen

      His Name is Jesus Christ, and He is waiting for you……..and He is holding your child in His arms!!!!!!!! ……..

  • wbhobbs

    legislators…

    • http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/lgartin wdgf

      …a “Late-term Post-partum Abortion.” That way, how could they refuse? :-)

  • http://www.ajharaldson.com lakeworthcane

    It’s best use is to illustrate the sheer, unadulterated, aggressive stupidity of the leftist voting block. These people seem motivated by, and they seem to swarm toward, any opportunity to condemn and dehumanize their opponents. They’re unwilling to listen to, or to even consider, opposing perspectives, preferring instead to merely dismiss them as racist, sexist, or whatever ill-defined, contemporary “sin” from the shallow bank of media-borne information they can conjure.

    So now leftist democrats in Georgia say it’s right and just to deny men vasectomies if women over 20 weeks pregnant cannot have abortions. This, on its face, defies all logic and reason.

    But logic and reason have no place in the leftist platform.

    It’s as if they’re saying, “Okay, if you’re going to deny us the right to throw away food, then we’re going to deny you the right to not cook it in the first place,” and they accept this as a logical, reasonable, sound, fair and just response.

    What?

    How can a nation ever succeed with such people? What do we do with such a large population of people who are not only screamingly ignorant, but also unwilling to even think? People who are not only capable of but more so willing, and even eager, to suspend their disbelief in their heroes’ words?

    They beg for smoothly-uttered lies so they needn’t hear the truth. They plead for verbal weaponry with which they can lash out at all who’d disrupt their comfort with fantasy. They yearn to be exploited. They’re not concerned with their own success: only with the failure of their perceived enemies.

    This is insanity on a grand scale: cheating, lying, destroying all opposing viewpoints, not to win, but just so others will also lose. They can’t swim, so as they drown, they drag down as many others who can.

    This is the arena in which our presidential election will take place. Its craziness is energetically stoked by powerful news media organizations.

    I read a widely-circulated column from a Czech newspaper that asserted: Obama’s foolishness can be undone, but what is the US to do with a populace that would elect him in the first place?

    I agree. Our problem isn’t our politicians. We can rid ourselves of them, however painstakingly. But what are we to do with such a large population of hostile, ignorant, unthinking people who actually desire to be exploited by unethical, power-mad despots?

    • godschosen

      VERY well said. Especially interesting (and scary) is the quote from the Czech newspaper. I believe there are only 2 reasons Obama would be re-elected, and both are quite spooky: 1) Americans are THAT ignorant, or 2) The election is rigged. …..Pray neither of those happen………….

  • dcwike

    There is a great alternative, risk free, non-invasive method of birth control for those who do not want children. It’s called abstinence from doing whatever produces a baby.

    About the only “man-made” alternative I would accept is the morning-after pill, which could be used by women who were raped. And, even THAT goes against my grain, so to speak, because I believe life begins at conception. Life is life and should be respected, no matter how it was conceived. There are many childless couples that would love to adopt.

    • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

      You can abstain all you want, just stop blocking my wife and I from using BC before we ready to have children.

      • Leon H. Wolf

        Please explain where anything in this person’s comment suggested that they were trying to “block” you and your wife from using birth control. The fact that the commenter is okay with the morning-after pill (which is a double dose of the birth control pill) pretty much shows that either you’re bad at reading comprehension or are a standard-fare Orwellian pro-choicer.

        • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

          “There is a great alternative, risk free, non-invasive method of birth control for those who do not want children. It?s called abstinence from doing whatever produces a baby.”

          • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

            Either you know that wasn’t an answer, or you’re too mentally challenged to survive here long.

          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            logicalmaniac clearly stated that he thinks the only acceptable use for BC is after you have been raped.

            Did you even read his comment? I’ll quote it again.

            ?There is a great alternative, risk free, non-invasive method of birth control for those who do not want children. It?s called abstinence from doing whatever produces a baby.?

            Then there is another commenter below who said he would outlaw vasectomies as well.

            ?I would support both bills?
            ?because both support God?s intention that we should be open to His gift of life?

            - sjzack

            Don’t attack me because people like sjzack and logicalmaniac are extremists.

            Also, I have been a member here for at least 5 years now, so I think I’ve survived for quite a while.

          • lineholder

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          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            I wish we could edit posts.

          • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

            Because your track record today puts you a hair’s breadth away from ending your five year run here.

          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            for taking issue with the extremist ideas being expressed, such being against birth control?

            If that is really the case, good luck with ever trying to be in majority again.

            It’s crap like this people mock conservatives over. This community can choose to embrace the extreme fringes rather then trying to actually develop solutions to problems.

            I’m one of the latter, so if you will kick me out for confronting such foolishness, then so be it.

          • streiff

            we’re waiting on the rest of the votes to be counted

          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            Can you elaborate why?

          • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

            And consider the merits of forbearance.

          • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

            …to figure that out.

          • aesthete

            between people who personally choose and advocate abstinence without the use of contraceptives (I’m not one of them), and people who want to ban them (I’m not one of those, either).

            I do agree that coupling abortion and contraception together as if they were one issue is both dishonest and bad politics, but in this case you’re overreacting: the only person advocating for a ban on contraceptives on this thread has been sjzack.

            @ Santorum supporters: ?/3′s reaction is the reaction that we’re going to continue to get from the general public if people like Santorum don’t learn how to articulate their views in a productive manner.

      • josephine

        I think that person is talking about teenagers. The media would have the conservatives believe that people like Santorum would keep people from using birth control. Actually the government has no business in our private personal “social” lives. They have worked their way in by offering to provide it free-this is all a ploy to be able to eventually control the use. They have now crossed the line with Obamacare and Romneycare. We have to have hair transplants and maternity benefits in our insurance even if we have plenty of hair and are 95 years old.
        These are Santorums personal habits and he has never legislated any of this.
        Newt certainly wouldn’t. They will just abolish the Planned Parenthood as it is now. I’m with Newt.

        • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

          When I constantly see people like (il)logicalmaniac making such statements, I have hard time believing that he is just one guy who misquoted himself.

          It’s pretty ironic that in a thread that is supposed to be about how pro-infanticide Democrats can’t tell the difference between responsible birth control and killing babies for convinence, we have pro-lifers popping up who can’t tell the difference either.

          • lineholder

            I’m guessing, from the comments you’ve made, that this is your general point. Sure, abstinence requires greater self-control. But medical science has already provided plenty of data suggesting the time frame during the menstrual cycle that abstinence would be suggested. There are always other methods that could be used, such as condoms or spermicide, if you just can’t wait and have to be gratified “right this very moment”.

            Why so defensive about BC?

          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            I am saying that logicalmaniac, and everyone who thinks like him,, need to mind their own business.

            “if you just can?t wait and have to be gratified ?right this very moment?.”

            This is the attitude I am appalled with. Why should my wife and I have to abstain from having sex WHILE BEING MARRIED for years while we are working on getting degrees, starting a career, buying a house, and making sure we are financially secure before having children?

            “Why so defensive about BC?”

            Why are you, and the others like you in this thread, so opposed to people in married relationships having sex without having children?

            Yes, I will get defensive when some busy-body moralizer tries to say it is wrong for me to have sex with wife.

          • lineholder

            No one has said that sex within marriage is wrong. You’re reading much more into people’s comments than what actually exists…which just goes to substantiate that you are on the defensive about this issue.

            What people are saying is that there are plenty of methodologies that can be put to use, including abstinence, without having to be so dependent on BC.

            Actually, whether you understand it or not, relying on self-control alone can open the door to more romance…more quality time spent together that doesn’t always happen when the primary focus is on gratification of sexual desires. It can actually strengthen and enhance a relationship in the long-run, Pi.

          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            I don’t need any help with love life. What I do need though is for people to

            If you want to go years being abstinent, that’s great for you, but I’m not. I’m married man and I’m not going to deprive myself of sex for 6 years after being married and for the rest of my life after I’m done having children to make people like you feel better – and I will never vote for a party that tries to legislate such nonsense.

            If it’s not wrong, they why are you opposed to people like me using BC? You insist that your not saying it’s wrong, but then you continue to say we shouldn’t be using it. Which is it?

          • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

            They are just presenting different perspectives on sex within marriage that they find meaningful in their lives. If you disagree with them, you can just put their suggestions on the proverbial boat and send it down the river.

            Forbearance is an undervalued virtue in today’s America. We all could employ it more often.

            (*with the possible exception of sjzack)

          • lineholder

            How long have you been married, Pi? It depends on the individuals, and their level of maturity and understanding, I suppose. I’m older. And a female who has been married twice, mind you. All I can give you is advice of what NOT to do very much so learned the hard way, I’m afraid.

            I like sex. I like it alot, actually. I have something of a passionate nature to boot, Pi, which tends to complicate matters more than I care to admit. But yes, I’ve been in abstinence mode for quite a while (if ten years qualifies as such).

            In both of my marriages, I married to men who had strong sex drives (nothing wrong with that) but very little understanding of women in general, much less to appreciate a woman’s need for simple romance now and then without being expected for it to automatically lead to the bedroom.

            If I had to do over it again, I’d have made it a point to just very openly ask for more romance and more quality time…just simple time talking about life or books or history or art or movies…just a sharing of thoughts and ideas, more than anything else.

            But I was as simple-minded as they come, and very much so inclined to be overly-responsible for the needs of others far above being genuinely honest with myself first and foremost about any needs that I might have.

            I developed what may have been one of the worst cases of “object to the serve the purpose” ever known in the history of mankind. Because there wasn’t much to those relationships beyond sex. Sad to say, but true all the same. It did a lot of damage, mentally and emotionally and even spiritually, Pi. More than I like to talk about.

            Just keep it in mind, then, if you will. And I mean you no harm in the comments I’ve made.

            I have to go to work now. Have a good evening.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            here.

            And you’ll note that Uma and I discuss the “joys” of marriage.

          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            How would using such a device (besides the obvious lack of effectiveness) be any different the using an oral contraceptive?

            Both would be done to prevent pregnancy.

            Furthermore, what difference would it make to anyone outside my wife and I which method we chose?

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            Nobody’s trying to tell you and your wife what to do or what methods to use. The GOP, including Santorum, is not trying to legislate birth control. Just pointing out there are various methods, abstinence being one of many (the only one that’s 100% effective).

            I’m not Catholic, and I have no objection to methods which are not abortifacients. I do object to methods that kill unborn babies. I object to having taxdollars pay for those methods. I object to the government telling religious folks their objections don’t matter. And I object to the government mandate that birth control be doled out free of charge to women. Nothing from the government is ever free of charge to the taxpayer.

        • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

          “I would support both bills…
          ?because both support God?s intention that we should be open to His gift of life”

          - sjzack

      • godschosen

        ……to use whatever you want. But please don’t force me and others to buy it for you. I used to like illegal drugs, but I can’t (and couldn’t) imagine even asking anyone to buy them for me.

  • josephine

    First, Doug McKillip is a Democrat who changed his party alliance within weeks of winning the election as a longterm Dem. He said it was so give him more of a voice in the legislature. That’s a quote.
    Yasmine is really stupid if she thinks the males in this state will allow the State Gov’t to regulate vasectomies. It is a permanent procedure. It would regulate the males ability to reproduce. This is just wild.Who is this nazi. This reminds me of that movie about the last pregnant woman in the world.
    I don’t think that the gov’t should have anything to do with paying for abortions. I think if you fool around, then if you have a pregnancy, then you should be responsible for paying for it.
    I believe in orphanages and foster parents. We only hear about the bad ones. This legislature is embarrassing.

  • Dave_A

    Even if abortion were absolutely illegal, women would still have the option to undergo the female equivalent to a vasectomy.

    That’s the logical flaw in the above argument…

  • sjzack

    …because both support God’s intention that we should be open to His gift of life and to be fruitful and multiply (within the bounds of marriage for the care and support of our spouses and children). But clearly there is a distinction between taking the life of a child who comes into existence at the point of conception and that of preventing fertilization. (And yes, I get the point that under the democrats’ plan, and extending the logic, females can demand sterilization of men.) The main point is that we ALL can exercise CHOICE when it comes to pregnancies. But once we act in such a way that a life comes into existence, we have already made that choice.

  • http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/ Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

    ….shouldn’t we require a basic competency test for all candidates? This is just embarassing.

  • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

    nt

    • sulmak

      if they were trying to outlaw tube tying or removal of the uterus.

      • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

        Not the diary itself.

  • romeg

    with the embarrassment that is John Lewis, these clown pop up.

    The only thing more troubling is that the state of GA is populated by morons that elect their fellow morons to high office.

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