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WI Judge Sumi Issues Temporary Restraining Order On Act 10

By: lineholder (Diary)  |  March 18th, 2011 at 04:48 PM  | 

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Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi has issued a temporary restraining order preventing Gov. Walker’s law, Act 10, from being enacted.

Ismael Ozanne, a Democrat and also the Dane County District Attorney, filed a complaint on Wednesday seeking to block the law because he said “a legislative committee violated the state’s open meetings law in passing the measure.” The committee voted for it March 9, the Legislature quickly passed it and Walker signed it March 11

Judge Sumi has made this decision on the basis that more time is needed for the court to make a ruling based on the merits of the case. The next hearing for the case is slated to be heard on March 29th, which is three days after the law is due to be posted. The decision to delay posting of the law was made by Democrat State Attorney General LaFollette.

“Assistant Attorney General Steven Means, who was part of the state’s legal team, said after the ruling that “we disagree with it.”

“And the reason they have appellate courts is because circuit court judges make errors, and they have in this case.”

Means said that the state will ask the state Appeals Court to overturn the temporary restraining order later Friday or early next week. He said the Appeals Court is not required to hear an appeal because a final decision has not been reached in the case.

Means said the state was prepared for Sumi’s decision. He said the state had a chance to substitute judges, but decided not to do so.

One option Republicans have is bringing the Legislature back to pass a similar or identical measure again. Lawmakers may be reluctant to take those tough votes again because they have taken relentless criticism and in the Assembly faced more than 60 hours of debate in opposition by Democrats.

But if they do try to pass it again, the prospect of Democrats boycotting the Senate again appears unlikely.

One Democratic senator, Tim Cullen of Janesville, said he would not leave the state again to try to block any possible repeat bill from passing. Republicans would need just one Democrat to stay to avoid any questions of quorum.”

Yet another challenge facing Gov. Walker’s team is this:

“While Judge Sumi will decide whether to permanently enjoin the law on March 29, the state’s Republican leadership is also facing other legal challenges. Because the Capitol building was in lockdown while the legislature voted on the union-busting bill, Judge John Albert is considering whether Department of Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch is in contempt of Albert’s Capitol access order. In late May, Judge Albert will decide whether to make permanent his temporary restraining order guaranteeing an open Capitol building. Additionally, the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission is considering an unfair labor practices complaint from the state employee union AFSCME, alleging Governor Walker has violated his duty to bargain in good faith.”

Public union sites along with HuffPo are buzzing about their “victory” regarding the “Union-Busting Bill”. These people are losing it, totally and completely losing their sanity.

Time will tell what course of action Gov. Walker and his team will pursue.

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  • juumanistra

    In order to obtain a TRO, the petitioning party must face suffering a harm which cannot be made whole with mere monetary damages if the TRO is not granted. What harms will be caused if Act 10 goes into effect? Public sector unions will receive lesser pension, health-insurance, and other benefits than they would have otherwise been able to negotiate for in the absence of Act 10. Given that all of said benefits are readily denominated monetarily, how exactly are those unions facing injuries which cannot be remedied with damages?

    Here’s hoping the appellate bench slaps the judge who issued the TRO around a bit, as the bases for issuing the TRO seem flimsy.

    • carolina

      according to sources in twitter. Also, according to twitter, the GOP will pursue the legal route as opposed to voting again.
      The next WI legislative doesn’t start until April 5th.
      Maybe if the pro-public union folks are ‘happy’ they will reduce their thuggery for a while. We can hope.

  • carolina

    The phone survey by Public Policy Polling of 642 registered voters across the country on March 10-13 found that Walker’s favorability among Republican voters was 55 percent positive and 11 percent negative, a spread of 44 points.

    That pushed Walker ahead of other possible Republican contenders such as former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who had a 42-point spread with 58 percent positive and 16 percent negative rating, and former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who polled 63 percent positive and 23 percent negative, a spread of 40 points.

    The poll showed former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney with a 21-point spread (47 percent positive, 26 percent negative) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 19 points (49 percent positive, 30 percent negative).
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    Too bad he is not polling that strongly in WI.

    • Martin Knight
    • Martin Knight
  • carolina

    The phone survey by Public Policy Polling of 642 registered voters across the country on March 10-13 found that Walker’s favorability among Republican voters was 55 percent positive and 11 percent negative, a spread of 44 points.

    That pushed Walker ahead of other possible Republican contenders such as former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who had a 42-point spread with 58 percent positive and 16 percent negative rating, and former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who polled 63 percent positive and 23 percent negative, a spread of 40 points.

    The poll showed former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney with a 21-point spread (47 percent positive, 26 percent negative) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 19 points (49 percent positive, 30 percent negative).
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    Too bad he is not polling that strongly in WI.

  • GregInFla

    And any session in which zero members of one party attend, I contend, can be considered a special session. And when the non-attending party is the Liberal party, I say it is quite special, and should be used to the fullest advantage. But heck, just pass it again. This can be passed without the Dems, no one is arguing that that was the problem. Announce it, give them (and the Heritage Inn) enough warning, and do it. Why fight it in the courts? There is no reason to do that.

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      This is going to be like fighting a death penalty case. Take one issue to court, when that one has no life left, then another issue will miraculously appear.

      • GregInFla

        Sue in favorable Fed District Court that use of reconciliation was against US Senate rules; that when Senator Reid replaced the entire bill that the House passed that increased pay for the military with his “amendment” that is known now as Obamacare, was against the Senate rules of doing business, that Obamacare had nothing to do with the House bill.

        Oh well, I guess I just don’t see what items these folks can sue over in WI except this rule-following issue. And any judge named “Sue-Me” just makes me (and most others) snicker.

        • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

          I’m pretty sure there are dozens of “rights” that have been violated. In addition, there are contracts in place and you can bet there will legal actions over the impact of the law on those.

  • bk

    He can tell them they’ll get their jobs back as soon as the Democrats are done with court challenges.

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      I’ll give you 8 to 5 he won’t do it. He IS a Republican after all. And he has to deal with people who don’t have half his spine.

      Republicans play nice. They also suck and lose.

  • Martin Knight

    They allowed the the Democrats, the Press and their union thug allies to completely dominate the information battlespace and swing public support behind them, and now, after everything, they’re going to have their victory stolen from them.

    This is the Bush White House and BushLied™ all over again.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    we won the PR battle and still are.

  • Martin Knight

    Not to dredge up old stuff, (and you know I got nothin’ but love for ya) but I remember you assuring everyone in 2008 that Obama could not possibly get elected because the American people would definitely see through the facade and never elect someone so far to the Left.

    Whoops!

    Americans, most especially swing voters who are not political junkies like us, won’t see what you don’t show them. Outside of FOX, the media has embargoed the behavior of the Dems and the union supporters. None of the death threats, horrible signage and the hair-raising threat letters sent out by the police unions have been shown on the news.

    So as far as the typical viewer is concerned, Gov. Walker just up and re-instituted Jim Crow against cops, teachers, nurses and firemen so he can cut checks to his wealthy benefactors from the WI state treasury. Walker and his folks have basically done nothing to counter this narrative.

    The polls say we’re losing the PR battle right now. Walker and his colleagues in the WI GOP need to get back on the battlefield.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Any time the issue gets strung out – like this one has and will continue to be – the Left wins. Mostly, I think, because people get tired of the drum beat and blame us and then turn off.

    Walker clearly lost the PR battle in WI, just watch for the results of the WiSC election coming up.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    with their feet so that only 6% of private sector employees are in unions and much less than half of govt employees nationwide are in unions and govt workers make up only around 15% of non-military employees. That was before the nation got to see recent examples of the Dem mainstream act the fool for 6 weeks in Madison.

    This kind of pessimism about the wisdom of the average voter is probably a factor in the GOP establishment’s wimpy strategies in DC all of my life.

  • congressworksforus

    Look at the poll out of New York. Almost 80% of New Yorkers believe workers should be hired and fired on merit, not seniority or tenure!

    That’s NEW YORK for crying out loud.

    All the skeptics reading RedState need to realize that Joe Public really doesn’t like what he’s seeing from the unions…

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You’re smart enough to know that there’s a difference between the number of people who are IN a union and the opinions that are going to be pushed by the publicity here. Most, as in the vast majority, of people pay no attention to the actual issues. If they did Obama wouldn’t be President.

    I’m not pessimistic about the “average voter”. The issue in the upcoming election in WI is one of creating turnout. The unions will do it.

    Now is a time to be realistic. Only by being realistic can we assemble a winning strategy and that’s not happening right now.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    doubt that the we won the PR war given the images of the protesters on TV and the fact that the Dems fled the state. This is common sense that we shouldn’t let MSM polls soon after elections cause us to suspend. I cited the facts about membership because that indicates the level of sympathy for union workers even before this happening reminded people of why they don’t like them..

    People do pay attention to whiners acting the fool and that’s what they saw for over a month. I have no doubt on this one.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    WI is a lose.

    Want a win, OH is probably a win. IN remains to be seen.

    If we don’t at least make an effort to control the message we don’t have a chance.

  • Martin Knight

    Most people leaving a non-right-to-work state only know that the job market sucks there and they are moving to greener pastures without actually knowing why their new state has greener pastures in the first place.

    Witness the number of people who leave California only to vote for the same types of liberal Democrats that forced them to leave CA in the first place.

    You have a nice sunny disposition – but it makes you incorrigibly incapable of seeing the negative – that’s really not helpful. One gets the impression that a kid can fail every quiz in the term and you’d still be assuring him that he’ll get an A in the final with the same study habits.

    Quite frankly, you, of all people here, should have learned from 2006 and 2008 that “Ignore the Polls!!!” is not a viable strategy for political success. Polls shouldn’t be used to guide policy – but for the politicking and communicating, they simply can’t be done without.

    Bottomline; we’re losing the PR war.

    Switch away from FOX for a day or two and watch the coverage on the networks – the protesters are being portrayed as if they are refighting the Civil Rights battles of the ’60s and Walker and his GOP compadres in the legislature are the Dixiecrats.

    Walker, the brothers Fitzgerald, the WI GOP as a whole and their entire communications apparatus should be on national and state TV every day having press conferences, posting up YouTube videos, and actually making known what the media and the Dems have so far (except for the internet) successfully kept under the wraps – the unacceptable behavior of the unions.

    How the hell does anyone think Chris Christie is getting practically everything he wants in Blue NJ with a strong Democrat majority – he makes it painful for them to go against him. Is he doing it by being the strong silent type like Walker is attempting?

    Honestly, GC, and again – nothin’ but love for ya – any politician who hires you to be a political strategist is going to be thinking he’s going to win by 10 points the day before the election and find himself losing by 30 points when the votes are counted.

  • lineholder

    dominating the narrative rather than letting the left control it as they have in the past.

    Don’t agree with you that WI is a lost cause. Walker’s gotten support in unexpected places, such as the New Berlin School District. There are educators who see this as an opportunity not only to reduce deficits but also to increase education quality.

    They are standing with Walker, not the Unions.

    History can repeat itself, I know, but that doesn’t always mean that history WILL repeat itself. Past isn’t always prelude.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I can’t imagine that any statewide election is affected favorably for the Dems by what has transpired in WI, even WI itself, but as to local races there or anywhere, of course there could be local eccentricities and turnout issues for swing districts.

  • aesthete

    is that Walker also started out cutting taxes to corps: that is not at all a bad move in and of itself, but the timing made for an easy narrative for the left. I can’t tell you how many times I had lefties here triumphantly show me that clip of Jon Stewart and his annoying smirk ripping on Walker for cutting taxes to the rich in times of fiscal crisis. It was ridiculously easy for the left to say: corp tax cuts = irresponsible, thus Walker = hypocrite on fiscal crisis. It was also too easy to make the argument that collective bargaining rights had nothing to do with fiscal issues, and to tie both issues to a general narrative about Koch. We lost that one, and the timing of the tax cuts played a big role in that.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    1. This law will be tied up in State Court for at least six months. Then the US Dept of Labor will weigh in. Then there’s the Federal Court. Neither of us will likely live long enough to see it implemented.

    2. The Democrats now have a winning strategy in states where Republicans hold a majority in both houses. Leave town. In WI, Walker didn’t have the [anatomical reference] to split out the law and vote on it on day one. Then they didn’t arrest the Dems, they should have gone into IL and grabbed ‘em and they should have jailed them.

    3. They obviously weren’t prepared with any kind of legal strategy and not sure they’ve still got one.

    4. Democrats in IN are now in IL. Daniels is following Walker’s losing strategy.

    5. Check out Iowa. It’s going to be a carbon copy of WI and IN.

    6. It looks like Ohio may be a win, but I’m waiting to see. Bottom line Kasich slammed the legislation through and we now have to see what happens in the courts.

    7. Democrats and labor unions are now really mobilized. Just watch how much money flows into the Ds over the next six months. The fact that the RNC is still $21MM in the hole is a disaster in the making, between the unions and Obama’s group who are going to raise a billion dollars.

    8. How many death threats against Republicans so far in WI? Maybe dozens? How many people have been arrested? Oh, and at least one of perps is a very well know radio personality and has publicly admitted he sent the threat.

    9. So, Bottom Line. Just who is gearing up for war? Answer? Nobody who is in a position do actually do anything about it.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    PR failure reasons in WI, Walker were to lose his re-election bid (4 years from now) or that some Repubs lose re-election sooner in close districts due to union turnout, I still think the net effect of the Dems acting the fool in the skreets for 6 weeks is a HUGE net positive overall for the GOP and conservatives nationwide.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    wins the PR battle for us.

    I think you should retire from doing psychological profiles of me and return to your day job. Meanwhile, when discussing issues and arguments based on soon-after-elections in which conservatives won big, msm polls that tell us we just voted for things we don’t really favor, you might also want to express some humility and not construct all kinds of strawmen from extrapolations from my very narrowly defined conclusions about the net effect of the battle in Wisconsin to make the issue, ME. I am not the issue.

    Apparently you disagree with me on something, but since you chose to ignore my actual words to make an amorphous attack re the PR battle and attack a former campaign manager that was successful in advising a twice -elected member of Congress thru two contested elections, I don’t know exactly what we disagree on beyond your slavish MSM poll orthodoxy based on one moment in time.

    Putting a colon after the words “bottom line” was your strongest argument. How’s that for a sunny disposition?

    nuthin’ but love for you too…

  • Martin Knight

    … and quite frankly, I really doubt your usual “Ignore the Polls!!!” was the approach you took with your candidate.

    Now let’s get back to WI; what evidence do you have (other than the results in November you keep citing – though I have no idea how that is relevant to the current circumstances) that WI voters are now decidedly supporting Walker and the WI GOP thanks to union protesters “acting the fool” in Madison?

    In other words, how do you know we’re winning the PR battle since – as you have insisted for years now – polls are not indicators of public opinion?

    PS: If the unions are winning the battle for us, why should Walker get more aggressive? After all, everything is going swimmingly, ain’t it?

  • earlgrey

    Supreme Court? I believe MBecker is right that the unions are now mobilized to do this, but I don’t know what Walker could have done differently to keep the Unions from legislating throught the courts.

    Was this winnable anyway?

    If so, is it already a done deal that we lost or can someone knock some sense into Wlaker and Fitzgerald so they actualy take the effor tto make their case.

    Is the PR battle lost in the other states as well? TN seems to be taking a softer stance on their collective bargaining bill. Haslam woudl rather get something than nothing, but I woudl prefer he do more to limit the collective bargaining.

    I fear that Knigth and MBecker are right, but I have to admit it is getting tired of losing all the time.

    I enjoyed this post, but I wouldn’t call it the highlight of my day :) .

  • powertothepeople

    Martin, either I have missed many of your replies or you have been on vacation.

    But on this I have to disagree with you. I have some family in WI, including some seriously misguided souls who have always voted dem, and some friends who are a mix of voters and leanings. Every single one of them are disgusted with the union tactics, support Walker to some level, and want this over and want the unions done. And a few of them are even union employees with my brother in laws sister being a government union employee.

    The same sentiment is brewing over in MI and unions are running scared. They do not want to see the insurgent republican sway kill them off as well.

    While I would agree that there are elements, even maybe up to half of the population in the state, that side with the unions or have grown weary of the whole thing and are now leaning towards the unions, at least half the state, most likely more, are solidly with the union killing effort. They were disgusted with the democrats running, they are disgusted with the letters (veiled threats) the unions sent business and residents, and they have grown weary of the union overall with their biggest beef being the massive deficit (which they attribute partly to the union) and the cost the union brings to their daily lives.They are just tired of the whole organization. They may not like everything Walker and the republicans are doing and may not hate everything about the union, but overall they want this finished and finished the way Walker wants it finished.

    It is not as bad as you think it is there, and the people are not ready to revolt against the party and Walker. Now that is not saying he has free reign to do as he pleases or drag this on forever, but they side with him as a majority.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    because the people will see through his facade and see his inner socialist.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    the WI Gov and state GOP legislators will be a net positive overall across the country given the unsympathetic images of the dems fleeing the states and the whining of well-paid lib-dem-union protesters in the streets of Madison.

    I don’t really know what strawman you and MAK have constructed to turn this thread into a bash gamecock exercise and I don’t appreciate it, especially given all the caveats I have written that you both have ignored and even more especially given that I emailed you and asked you to call me so that I could ask a few questions of you and so get to the bottom of this vague thread more quickly before it devolved into this mess.

    I have made no specific race predictions on this re who won (as if its over) this PR battle that can never be calculated and quantified even after elections. You have ridiculed my citation of relevant stats with semantics and ignored my agreement that yes, I wish our elected leaders in WI had been even more aggressive.

    A serious discussion can still be had with DeVine about whatever point you want to make via a phone call to me, as requested, but no more in this sine qua non example of why I don’t spend as much time at RS as I used to.

    Clearly MAK’s sole purpose here is to make personal attacks against me and so I haven’t invited him to call me to more quickly get to the bottom of the matter, whatever that is.

    It seems that both you, he and I agree that it is a winning issue to be against the demands of the public sector unions. The only disagreement, if there is one, is on who is “winning” the PR battle in WI.

    You do seem to advocate doing nothing for fear of mobilizing the opposition? Isn’t this like the dems desire to take no action after 911 for fear of creating recruiting tools for terrorists?

    You make declaratory statements of doom with no evidence and you ridicule the stats I cite. I could pinch myself for wasting time again at Redstate by even responding here.

    The definition of rude is obviously different from down here in Dixie. I asked that you call me. You didn’t. Good job. It amazes me how you and MAK have ignored the precise words that I have typed and instead project what you imagine I say so that you can attack that. All too typical rude behavior at Redstate that I long ago opted out of.

    I have given advice in many capacities to actual campaigns that I have been paid by, none of which candidates lost. Two served in the US House. Others at the state and local level.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans, including those that voted in the GOP wave election in the US and WI last year, have no empathy for public sector unions, loathe screaming whining mobs, and loathe cowards that flee the state. TV images matter. The polls even now are mixed and moving our way, even if they are accurate, and surely we know by now that these soon after election MSM polls that tell us we oppose what we just voted for are simply all too discredited.

    Moreover, you two seem to agree with me that we ought to be more aggressive in attacking the unions?

    Yet it seems the most important goal of this MAK/Becker attack is to conflate my political instincts on this matter with my advocacy of conservative attacks on ObamaDems in 2008 when i refused to join the doom and gloom poll obsessions rather than keep trying to beat Obama despite McCain’s weakness.

    Can’t never could do nothing and so I will always fight to win with the conservative message I know is right and that this center-right nation is ready to respond to rather than give up on elections 2-3 months out because of polls. i will not join in pre-election crippling of our candidates just so I can be thought of as a sophisticated political observer. ie a scoffer. I loathe scoffers.

    I find the use of -ing words in this context quite vague as -ing implies an ongoing action and that one can only know who was winning after someone has won, and neither of you have ever defined what criteria would be used to decide who won what.

    Becker and MAK, anyone can read a poll today and extrapolate that out to advocate gloom, doom , inaction or watered down policy advocacy. I am a conservative advocate bent of shaping opinion to what it ought to be. I am not impressed that one can read a poll and post the link. I know about the polls and hey MAK, nothing I have said in this thread has anything to do with what i would advise a candidate in a particular race without knowing more and for you to extrapolate such an attack on my credibility in such a way is simply sorry on your part.

    This is the penultimate sentence I will type or read in this thread because I don’t play these snarky games at Redstate anymore and haven’t for 2 years and I’m quite disappointed that you didn’t honor my request for a phone call and instead chose to continue the confusion…I suspect that MAK’s attacks are due to my excoriation of his months (over a year?) ago advocacy Americans choosing to make sharia law, the law of the land, from many months ago, but quite frankly, I don’ care.

    No more later, go talk to MAK and feel free to continue to bash me and defend yourselves here, albeit without my attention and now On to other issues other than me, if you all will allow that.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You’re entitled to your opinion and you’re entitled to make your case. You’ve done that. We’ll see who’s right, and for what it’s worth, I sincerely hope your right.

  • Martin Knight

    Really? Huh?!

    This isn’t about bashing you; you’re actually one of my favorite people here. And I certainly hope you’re right that everything is going accordingly to plan in WI.

    But …

    All the evidence points to Walker and his GOP buddies dropping the ball on the public persuasion part of things. They ignored the typical political consultant’s advice and passed the bill. But now, for some reason, they’re listening to the consultants and trying to hide until it “blows over” when they should be aggressively defending it.

  • Martin Knight
  • Martin Knight

    I have some contacts in WI and their impression is not the same at all.

    In fact, one of them was pretty much on the other side of the issue until I asked him to tell me exactly what he didn’t like about the bill. And it turned out that he was angry that the bill did a lot of things that it actually didn’t do – he was completely misinformed.

    In other words, the unions seem to be getting the bulk of their mainstream public support on misinformation and the media carefully shielding their more loathsome antics from the public in print and broadcast.

    If Walker and his peeps in the Legislature do not come out to defend their bill to the people of WI, and publicly highlight and castigate the unions’ ugly tactics, their victory in passing the bill is going to end up being Pyrrhic.

  • powertothepeople

    100% that a PR war must be waged by Walker and he needs to expose the left and the the union. I would go further and say that Walker needs to attack the union on every front and do whatever it takes to make them look like Hitler personified. But as a general rule, and there are exceptions, people know what is going on and have taken sides. There are some uniformed, and you are right, those are who Walker needs to advertise to.

  • Martin Knight

    And where we agree – that Walker needs to step up on the PR war – is a lot more important than where we disagree.

    And thus, as Reagan would agree, we must be friends. :-)

  • powertothepeople

    Friends we “be” and as usual, you are right.

    Some of us have forgotten the easily swayed folks. We could go to war today with Libya, not lose a single troop or piece of equipment, kill all but 10 of his troops, and have him in custody, and the leftist groups would advertise the effort this way.

    American committing genocide against the weak Libyans, America is a big bully, Libyan leader being illegally detained and tortured, American wasting needed resources fighting this costly illegal war, Ask Bush, he knows all about the leftist PR machine,

    They would be full of poo but a large portion of society would buy into their BS. Walker is doing the right thing overall but needs to hit the airways with all the dirt I am sure he has collected. We may not like them or like to admit it, but in order to keep winning we need the simple minded, sway with the wind, last thing they heard voters.

  • Martin Knight

    I do believe sir, that we’re on the same page.