Sometimes the most rabid protestors are the guiltiest of the sin they hate. Ulli Ryder in the New York Daily News has decided that Herman Cain is a racist. Ryder believes Cain is guilty of pandering to rich white conservatives and therefore he is furthering old racist stereotypes to the detriment of the African-American community. She thinks there are specific criteria that can determine a racist and Cain fits those criteria. However, does Ryder actually fit that rubric herself?
Susan Saulny of the New York Times quoted Ms. Ryder in a New York Times piece entitled, ‘Behind Cain’s humor, a question of seriousness.’ October 19, 2011. Ryder is quoted as saying:
“It makes the hair on my neck stand up,” said Ulli K. Ryder, a visiting scholar at the Center for the Study of Race and Ethnicity in America at Brown University. “The larger issue that a lot of people have, and I certainly have, is that he uses a certain kind of minstrelsy to play to white audiences. Referencing negative stereotypes in order to get heard to a white audience in the 21st century is really a problem.”
Take “shucky ducky.”
“It’s a nonsensical thing, down-home Southern black vernacular,” Ms. Ryder said. “It’s coded as a black vernacular and it’s uneducated black vernacular, so I find it really interesting that he would reference that, seeing as he is not that.”
Ryder is offended by the ‘ick’ factor of Cain using Southern black vernacular. She’s especially offended Cain uses it in front of white people. From this, she surmises Cain is acting as a minstrel to his audience. He’s using negative stereotypes to have access to the group he’s addressing. She’s especially annoyed that Cain, a highly educated man, would ‘revert’ to that kind of speech. For her, it seems Cain is using old stereotypes to ingratiate himself to white people.
The problem with Ryder is, she’s never heard Cain talk to people before. Herman Cain’s speech patterns are a mixture of articulate elocution and down-homespun plainspeak. Ryder has obviously been out to lunch because she thinks this is an act Cain is performing and not his own particular style of communicating. She sees his skin color, hears his words to a conservative audience, and using her own perspective immediately assumes the worst. If Cain is talking to conservatives, they must be white, rich, privileged, and therefore racist. Her immediate bias toward conservatives is the essence of racism. She presumes a set of negative facts based on nothing more than skin color. That’s racism.
Ryder’s remarks must have caused her some celebrity because it caused her to write a defense of her beliefs in the New York Daily News. ‘Herman Cain’s use of racial language is rhetoric we must refuse,’ Oct. 23, 2011. Ryder argues, “I stand by my claim that Cain‘s speech is like a form of minstrelsy. This is very different from President Obama, who some say speaks “black” when in front of all-black audiences. In Obama’s case, the use of folksy speech tells his audience: “I am like you and I understand you.” For Cain, the effect is the opposite: “I do not look like you and I am not a threat to you.” It seems the most important question is: Why is either of these strategies necessary in 2011?”
What an interesting differentiation between Obama and Cain. Cain, a black man raised in the South, has a style of speaking that incorporates educated diction with his own particular colloquialisms. Obama, raised in Indonesia, Hawaii, and here and there, doesn’t have a native language pattern. [Except Paqu-EE-Staan]. Upon moving to Chicago, in order to establish ‘street cred’, Obama affected his speech patterns in order to ‘reach’ the people. There is no authentic black vernacular in Obama’s vocabulary and tonal cadence without him artificially including one. While Cain is authentically a son of the African-American South, Obama is a hanger-on Chicago fraud, at least as far as language and linguistics goes. Ryder’s analysis is completely false. So what is Ryder really getting at?
If we look into Ryder’s previous writings, she begins to give us a taste of what her definition of racism truly is. In an analysis of Charlie Sheen’s unintelligible rantings about Jews and race, she argues this;
“Anti-racism requires an individual to actively work against inequality. It requires an individual to recognize the ways they have personally benefitted from an unequal society and strive to both reduce the amount of unearned privilege they receive and try to create a more equal society for everyone.”
Ulli Ryder in OpenSalon, ‘The Sheen Defense: Charlie Sheen and Multiracial Identity,’ March 12, 2011.
Ryder’s defines racism as not recognizing that racism is endemic to the system and isn’t working to eliminate “unearned privilege.” According to her definition, her job as race baiter is the only socio-political position that isn’t racist. Ryder’s living is making racism a driving force in the country and taking from some to give to others. Without a perception of pervasive racism, her position as race baiter would be inconsequential. So, she needs this artificial construct of racism to endure. Ryder also feeds off economic inequalities. Her definition makes inequality a capricious measure of personal worth, based on race. Therefore, it is she, and her fellow race baiters, who become the arbiters of who should have what.
Ryder simply proves that her warped sense of racism is blatant self-interest. Her position as an academic socio-political gadfly only exists as a result of a strange view of racism as a many-headed hydra and not as a social issue. In fact, Ryder’s racist view of the world is in diametrically opposed to that of the civil rights leaders of the past. While Ryder takes a cynical view of the America as a hostile battleground of hatred, others have seen it differently.
From ‘Rosa Parks, My Story,’ Parks writes, “I have spent over half my life teaching love and brotherhood, and I feel that it is better to continue to try to teach or live equality and love than it would be to have hatred or prejudice. Everyone living together in peace and harmony and love . . . that’s the goal we seek, and I think the more people there are who reach that state of mind, the better we will all be.” Parks is arguing that hearts aren’t changed by attacks and labels. Hearts are changed with greater understanding and by example. Parks’ goal was a world more harmonious and equal. Ryder’s dystopic world is one of constant conflict and recriminations, disorder and hate.
Herman Cain also sees the United States in a dynamic and positive way. He rejects Ryder’s viewpoint of endemic racism and said on Hannity, “I don’t have a lot of patience for people who want to blame racism on the fact that some people don’t make it in America.” The world of Democratic Party-legislated segregation is over. The social fabric of the United States has changed. Cain’s point is that African-Americans have achieved socio-economic success and that race is no longer the limiting factor it once was. In fact, his success is the embodiment of that promise. Cain sees the socio-economic climate of this country as now independent of racial barriers and open to success for all. His message is the one of hope while Ryder’s is the message of despair.
I’ll take Parks’ and Cain’s world over Ryder’s any day.
Crossposted at Looktruenorth.com
Moe Lane
Dan McLaughlin
Dan Spencer
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
Take off your bedroom slippers
paulplantowin Saturday, October 29th at 12:05PM EDT (link)Put on your marchin’ …
Barry (g’s optional) Obama
I love articles by these racist elite Dems – while trying to show how racist and manipulative Herman is they EMPHASIZE how color obsessed they are.
Bring it on – Herman ‘ain’t no way’s tarred’ Hillary (soul sister) Clinton
Hypocrisy on parade showing who they really are.
Take off your bedroom slippers - "Herman, is that you?"
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 9:13PM EDT (link)Two women accused Cain of inappropriate behavior
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Cain and his supporters need to answer...
bzip Sunday, October 30th at 9:31PM EDT (link)Can we say that Cain needs be vetted fully.
Lets be clear here. Cain has no prior experience, no record to look back at to see how he would govern.
We have to then judge Cain by his words, by his actions and what we learn from his past.
Well now of it is very good. In Cains words and gaffes we can learn the following:
Cain was pro-choice or is pro-life
Cain supported TARP
Cain was for an electric fence or not
Cain is for exchanging GITMO prisoners or not
Cain is not for auditing the fed or not
Cain and racial baiting
Cain fellow blacks are brainwashed
In Cain’s policy proposal we learn and can judge:
Cain 999plan will raise taxes, start a new national sales tax and VAT.
Cain’s 999 plan will add empowerment zones, affirmative action.
In Cain’s CEO experience we can learn many conflicting stories one of which and there are others;
http://jayraskin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/checking-the-fact-checkers-on-herman-cain-and-godfathers-pizzas/
Now we learn from his past that: Two women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1cJXxRiu5
Couod some please tell me why the people of the United States of America should elect Cain?
Why we should choice Cain over a consistent, true conservative with over 10 years of governing experience?
The answers to these questions are clearly within the rights of voters to know and expect.
Bored now.
Finrod (Diary) Monday, October 31st at 2:06PM EDT (link)So why don’t you ever post anything positive about whichever candidate you support, bzip?
Or are you getting paid under the table to slam Herman Cain wherever you can?
Enquiring minds want to know.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Finrod avoiding questions much like Cain does
bzip Monday, October 31st at 3:41PM EDT (link)I always post positive things about the candidate I like.
I see you want to avoid the questions about Cain.
Perhaps you could please address why you support Cain and Why others hold support Cain (or is that too difficult for you)????
lukemathews, I read ryders'
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 12:25PM EDT (link)10/23 story…what a load of waffle. I’ve heard of not playing with a full deck, but for people who only have one card in their deck, the race card…it makes for a lousy game of solitatire.
I swear if I hear racist one more time about Mr. Cain, because he’s a black republican, or me because I’m a white republican I’m going to scream.
That man is going to to be firmly entrenched at 1600 pennsylvania avenue very soon, if I have to personally drag him across 12 state lines and plop his butt in the oval office chair myself. Now its personal.
tngal, there is a quote from art...
gekster (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 12:39PM EDT (link)To paraphrase:
We’ve been called racist for so long,
it doesn’t bother us anymore.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Must the polar opposite of leg tingle.
Xasteius (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 12:33PM EDT (link)nt
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Luke, I wonder how Ryder would explain
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 12:44PM EDT (link)Cain spending 2 days in Alabama in some of the smallest towns in our state where crowds gathered to hear him speak. I can sure tell you that the vast majority of the crowd I was with yesterday weren’t wealthy whites, myself included (on the wealthy part).
Well done.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
rightwingmom52
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 4:19PM EDT (link)for the same reason that millions poured out to hear a little known junior senator from Illinois speak.
Cain promises a lot, but has never delivered anything. That is what “motivational” speakers do. They are only required to motivate, now give actual examples of their ability to get accomplished what they claim they will do.
You are no different than the throngs who clammored to hear Obama.
retire05
retire05, you don't know me,
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 6:43PM EDT (link)or what I have done or am doing to promote conservatism from the local level all the way to the national level.
And I take that comment very personally. I’ve tried to keep things in perspective with comments like yours, and the name-calling and comparisons to those who think Obama is the Messiah, that it’s just politics, but this is just too much. First, I know very clearly who the Messiah is. Second, I don’t “clamor” to hear anyone, but I did attend RSG03 and wrote glowingly about speeches I heard from Ted Cruz, Michael Williams, Richard Murdock and Rick Perry. I’ve donated to all of their campaigns, along with Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, and many other conservatives across this country over the years.
I try to convince folks everywhere I go that conservatism is not just better for this country but also for their lives. I’ve made the point more than once to those I talk to who are not political junkies that although I currently support Cain, Perry is more conservative than Romney and why.
Further, you insulted a good number of the fine citizens of my state with your implication that we just don’t know any better. Must just be a bunch of dumb hicks, including the successful, local restaurant owner who opened his place up for the event.
About the only comparison I can make with Cain & Obama is the obvious one which has nothing to do with my support, despite another attack from some that I’m suffering from white guilt.
Keep it up if you like, but I’ll tell you here and now that I will not be bullied into voting for your candidate or anyone else’s.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
Cue the music to the sharks movie!
Scope (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 7:10PM EDT (link)All you Perry bullies aren’t gonna get me. I buried my head in the sand, and that’s where it is staying.
Glad to see you've finally figured out your place, Scope.
Finrod (Diary) Monday, October 31st at 2:08PM EDT (link)I’ve known you were one of Perry’s brute squad for a while now.
If you’re not getting paid to rip on Perry’s opponents, you’re getting ripped off. If you are getting paid, whoever is paying you is getting ripped off.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
rightwingmom52, you must be absolutely dizzy after such a large amount of spin
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 8:25PM EDT (link)So let me take this piece by piece:
“you don’t know me; but I did attend RSG03 and wrote glowingly about speeches I heard, etc.”
No, I don’t know you, but I also know that a person is a fool to make claims they are neither willing nor able to back up. Like who you have donated to. Unless you are willing to show a copies of your cancelled checks, proving your claims, it is just so much hyperbole on your part. And since you don’t know me, I will give you just a wee insight as to how I am; you make a claim to me, be prepared to back it up with solid proof.
“And I take that comment very personally.”
What comment? Or are specifics not your forte?
Name calling? Just who have I called a name. Again, specifics.
Messiah? I don’t believe I ever used that word. But then, if you would actually quote what I said, it makes all this nonsense of yours less effective, doesn’t it. Do you really think that was the comparison? Good God, woman. Take a course in Critical Thinking. The comparison was, since you seem unable to comprehend it, that Cain, like Obama, has no real record to run on and Cain supporters, as with Obama supporters, are operating on blind faith.
Also, I never said you “don’t know better” nor did I insult the citizens of your state since I am only speaking to one of them; you. And the mention of a restaurant owner? Once again, useless hyperbole. It served no purpose to mention anyone except from your prospective of bolstering your argument.
Not you, not jrhode, not tngal, have been able to tell me what in Herman Cain’s history tells you how he will govern. You can dance around all you want, but that is the bottom line. You support Cain based on nothing but what he has said, and you do seem foolish enough to not understand that Cain is out of his league. He has no experience in governing. And please, don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by saying his business acumen qualifies him to run a nation of over 300 million. It doesn’t.
Now, you need to develope a thicker skin if you are going to play with the adults. Not all will be as patient as I have been with you.
retire05
This from the guy who said Republicans are telling Hispanics that they hate them.
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:33PM EDT (link)I wouldn’t bother with him RWM. I don’t partake in this fights anymore, but I will give a heads up to someone I know is one of the good ones.
Molon Labe!
Doc, just what do you think the message to Hispanics
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 8:49PM EDT (link)was when the Republican candidates were beating up on Perry over in-state tuition? You obviously don’t know many Hispanics or you would know how they viewed that discussion.
The Pew Hispanic Center reported a survey of Hispanics that ask what was the one most important thing to them. By a large margin, they responded “Education.”
Then we have Herman Cain shooting his mouth off about an electrified fence and putting a sign on that fence that says “This will kill you” in Spanish.
If you think this is helping recruit educated, professional taxpayers to the GOP that happen to have a Hispanic heritage, you are deluting yourself. Why do you think an Arizona Hispanic Republican group is calling for Cain to withdraw from the election? Because they think what he said was just a joke?
retire05
If what you are saying is true
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:09PM EDT (link)and I only say stipulate for sake of argument; the legal Hispanics have changed, we have not. Not long ago, legal immigrants were among the toughest on illegals. If that has changed, and they want us to ignore our own laws, then they are going to have a long wait.
But none of this explains why you said twice that the Republican debates showed Hispanics that we hate them. We have laws in this nation, and we will enforce immigration laws.
Molon Labe!
Doc, you just don't seem to be able to understand, do you?
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 9:38PM EDT (link)When people talk about “illegals” the first thing that comes to anyone’s mind is some Mexican screaming “Aye, yi, yi” as they swim across the Rio Grand or cross over into the Arizona desert. But they never complain about the Chinese, the others, who come across that same border.
Legal Hispanics, and Hispanic Americans, have not changed their mind about the border, but the border and education are two separate issues. They understand that. I don’t know why you can’t.
retire05
you tell me I should never come to Texas
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:51PM EDT (link)but I am a Texan. You say I don’t know any Hispanics, but you are quite wrong again. You keep bringing up Chinese people and saying “everyone” thinks of screaming Mexicans when we talk of illegals.
My guess is you are from Texas, have not traveled very much, and are pretty new to political debate. That is just a guess because I don’t try to tell people who they are.
I think you need to tread a bit more lightly around here since you are new. You will learn that people can actually know Hispanics, be from Texas, and have different opinions than you do. Furthermore, Perry is running for president of the United States, not president of Texas. Anyone from any state has as much right to give their opinion about illegal immigration as do you. Once you realize that, it will be easier to “understand” things.,
Molon Labe!
Doc,
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 10:06PM EDT (link)I am a Texan. A Texan that has traveled most of the lower 48, as well as Ireland and Great Britain.
I bring up the Chinese because as of 2009, there were 1.9 million (got that? MILLION) illegal Chinese in our nation. But no one ever thinks about them.
No, I’m not new to the political debate. Have been involved in politics, campaigns, etc. for more years than I care to remember. And I will not “tread lightly” because you can’t handle the truth. Perhaps it is you who should tread lightly.
Oh, and I understand things quite well. I understand being insulted by someone who has little leg to stand on when it comes to rational debate.
retire05
heh
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:12PM EDT (link)this from the guy who said the Republicans candidates (I guess other than Perry” make Hispanics think we hate them.
You should be insulted, you came here insulting Republicans like a Kossack.
Molon Labe!
I think the Chinese will go for Perry
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:16PM EDT (link)He is the only one with a growth plan that could actually pay the Chinese back…
Or perhaps they really don’t want to be paid back – nudge, nudge, wink, wink
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Doc,
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 10:17PM EDT (link)from the stuff you post, the only Kossack here is you.
Only I doubt you can ride as well as they did.
retire05
retire, you are a troll, you will be outed soon enough
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:20PM EDT (link)The only reason I engaged you tonight was to get you off of others that do not know your short and caustic posting history. I did my job. Now, why don’t you go and jerk yourself a soda.
Molon Labe!
Doc,
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 10:27PM EDT (link)you engaged me tonight because you thought you could best me. Caustic? Since when is truth telling considered caustic? Or do you mean caustic to your opinions?
Come back when you mature a bit. And can learn to debate using rational thought and not insults.
retire05
One other thing, Doc
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 10:30PM EDT (link)accusing people of being a troll is a tactic that is used quite frequently by the left over at HuffingtonPost and DailyKos against anyone who disagrees with their political philosophies.
Congratulations. You have the liberal technique down pat.
retire05
I don't care if you're a troll or not
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:37PM EDT (link)You’re pretty rude and arrogant to a guy who has done nothing but give you friendly advice. Perry and Cain have made lots of people on this site unhinged; unhinged to the point of attacking former friends. I don’t know, but I do know that you make a habit of insulting the character of people who have honorable posting records to defend your guy. I don’t care if “your guy” is Perry, Cain, Romney or Paul: if you’re that attached, you need to take a step back and re-examine.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Really, aesthete?
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 10:43PM EDT (link)Who have I insulted? Is asking people to be able to defend their candidate’s record insulting? I have tried to provide actual facts to a lot of spin. If that offends you, or anyone else, then you are easily offended.
As to giving me friendly advise: when I want advise, I will ask a priest or a psychiatrist. Unrequested advise is simply arrogance in disguise.
retire05
Sometimes, retire05, it's enlightened self-interest.
acat (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:51PM EDT (link)As in “I really don’t want to be the one cleaning up the mess”.
Just wanted to point that out.
Mew
——
Caveat Suffragator
acat,
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 10:58PM EDT (link)I really have no problem who anyone supports in this circus we call primaries.
But I have an adversion to those who spin the truth to pump up their candidate.
I have read so many falsehoods on this website about what Governor Perry has said, or done, that it makes my head spin. I want people to be informed, to really look at the candidates, and judge them, not the way liberals do on pretty speeches and empty promises, but on the candidates records. And rational thinking people cannot do that if all they hear/read is false and misleading.
I am beginning to think that there are those who think that anyone who posts here should have being liked as their primary goal.
retire05
There are ways to do that
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 11:23PM EDT (link)without being a jerk. Citations, asking questions, and making statements in as objective and unemotional a way as possible is both possible and makes it more likely that people will listen to what you have to say.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Being liked is well down on my list, retire05.
acat (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 11:28PM EDT (link)Like you, I want to see the truth about the candidates.
One truth about the candidates is that Cain is a very good speaker.
Another truth is that Cain has a better business background than Romney. (and a better understanding of the Federal Reserve than Ron Paul… but that’s not exactly a high bar…)
It’s equally a fact that Cain lacks government executive experience, and that his fundraising and budget is the weakest of the top three.
A more important truth is that, come the convention, we will have a single nominee, and we will all – Perry supporters, Cain supporters, Romney supporters, and the percentage of Ron Paul supporters who aren’t too stoned to remember election day – have to come together.
Lose the personal attacks.
Mew
——
Caveat Suffragator
I think it's long past time to call Hinz Rule on retire05. (n/t)
Finrod (Diary) Monday, October 31st at 2:11PM EDT (link).
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Don't worry about offending me
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 11:21PM EDT (link)It usually takes saying something about my faith along the lines of “you are not a true Christian”, or repeated injury, to really offend me.
Your style has tweaked me a bit, though: your response to rightwingmom had nothing to do with the point she was making, which was that it is not racist to support Cain. You slamming her as basically an Obama supporter was both a non sequitur and insult, since Obama supporters have a lot of baggage (creepy cult of personality stuff) that doesn’t apply to rwm. When she took umbrage to an insult obvious to anyone who has socialized with adults in any developed or developing nation, you pretended that she was stupid to read into your statement exactly the sort of implications what you intended her and everyone else to read into it.
WRT Doc, you bashed him for making the perfectly legitimate point that nothing that the Republicans said at the 2012 debates can be construed as hatred of Hispanics or any other ethnicity, and focused on only one part of his argument which may be wrong at present. Then you spent a good number of posts implying that he’s an idiot and a racist.
Since I’m both a Perry guy and an immigration/amnesty squish, I’d give you some friendly advice about how to improve your communication skills, but you’ve already made your sentiments there clear.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
aesthete, thank you.
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 1:27AM EDT (link)I was actually in the midst of a rather lengthy response to retire05, but you have so succinctly addressed the matter that I am going to hit the backspace key.
Thanks for sticking up for my character. We haven’t always seen eye to eye on various matters, but you and others know that I make an effort to be respectful. I appreciate that you acknowledged that on my behalf.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
No problem, rwm.
aesthete (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 3:21AM EDT (link)You and Doc are good eggs and deserve better than to be harassed on account of not enough enthusiasm for Perry by some internet goon.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Do you have any data source other than Pew?
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:23PM EDT (link)Pew’s inclined to trend liberal in their polling context, and it hasn’t carried much weight with Conservatives here at RS in the past. If you have another source that’s a bit more reliable, I’d be interested in seeing it.
The only information I’ve got on this issue is anecdotal, but it backs up what Doc has said about legal immigrants’ support for the law. The legal Hispanics I’ve talked to see themselves as being part of the 96% of the American population that is legal, and they don’t have favorable opinions of “special interests” pertaining to illegal immigrants.
lineholder, just how many Hispanics do you know?
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 9:42PM EDT (link)Pew asked a non-political question.
If I asked you:
What is the most important issue to you? Choose from:
jobs
education
taxes
medical care
Are you going to claim that question is liberal/conservative?
Now, tell me what state you live in. I would like to know how many Hispanics are in your state.
retire05
I've already answered your question
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:47PM EDT (link)about the state that I live in just within the last few days in a separate post, retire05. I specifically stated that all I have is anecdotal information. There was no effort on my part to make it seem to be anything than that. What I’ve stated about Pew is simply fact.
If you have another source that is more reliable, I’d be interested in taking a look at it.
lineholder,
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 10:15PM EDT (link)I offered Pew Hispanic Center because they do the most research on the Hispanic population in the U.S.
But feel free to do your own research.
retire05
I do, but was just asking in case there might be
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:20PM EDT (link)additional information on this that I missed.
retire05, here's the last 3 made.
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 2:04AM EDT (link)1. Link to https://stevefoley2012.nationbuilder.com/contribute, scroll down to the 5th name, Melody Warbington, and you’ll see my latest donation.
2. A cut and paste from my online debit account: 09/26/2011 SENATE PAC 877-838-9388 VADEBIT FOR CHECKCARD 8025406862 $50.00 $611.18 (I think this one is DeMint’s Senate Conservatives Fund as that’s the only senate Pac I contribute to on a regular basis, but it’s possible I donated to another one.)
3. A thank you from my email account for a contribution to Human Events. I did edit my email address so it doesn’t show up as a link, but nothing else:
Granted, these aren’t my donations to Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, or others, but it has been a couple of years ago since they were running. Do you really want me to go through my bank statements and post them for you? Because I’m certainly prepared to do so. I’d really prefer not to do so on a blog, but if you want to send me your email address, I’ll get a list to you. It’ll just take a little time. Sorry I haven’t made it on any big donor list. I try to spread what little I can give around.
As for the rest, aesthete very accurately summed up my position quite well. However, I’d like to point out that I did not accuse you of making the Messiah comment, but said “comments like yours and the name-calling, etc.” which was meant as “comments like yours in addition to the name-calling, etc.” Cain supporters here have been called everything from liars (me personally) to fools to being like Obama to being blind, or to viewing Cain as the or a Messiah (there’s only one), to being racist or full of white guilt to not doing our own research. I’ve personally been accused of having “ordered” folks at redstate to support my candidate and slapping their hands for not doing so, of being part of a clique out to get Perry and of being a mean old stepmom – all since I voice my support for Cain.
If you demand substance, where’s the substance in these?
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/14/morning-briefing-for-october-14-2011/#comment-134570
http://www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2011/10/10/785/#comment-5403
Here’s an example of the kind of responses I try to make if I challenge something. http://www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2011/10/10/785/#comment-5403
But I tell you what. You find one, just one, instance of me bashing Perry or attacking a Perry supporter, or telling a lie, and I’ll make an online donation to his campaign and email you the proof.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
rightwingmom52,
retire05 Sunday, October 30th at 11:05AM EDT (link)actually, after having been hacked, I think providing your name is a bit risky. But since you have already done that, I am not going to delve further into your identity. Why? Because I did the same thing you just did, and a month later my identity was stolen. I appreciate you wanting to back up your claims but you really should have just moved on. I hope you understand my concern. With that said:
Please, don’t lump me in with the name callers. I have tried to present you with questions that are going to be asked of any candidate’s supporters, no matter who they support. I have not lumped you in with anyone but jrhode and tngal who I asked the same question of and who also could not give a valid answer. And I have not participated in any of the things you say you have been accused of (white guilt, ect). If you are going to address me personally (as you did in the comnment title of your post) then please, don’t lay the sins of others at my feet.
I think Herman Cain is a good man. And like any self-made person, his story is admirable. But his is not the only story of success in this nation. Michael Dell is an equally successful story, and I would never vote for him for president. And his business acumen does not make him qualified, in my mind, to run an entire nation as large, and diverse, as ours. And forgive me if I can’t put much stock into what a candidate says, when they have no clue as to what they are really facing the minute they walk into the Oval Office. Even if Cain has served on a city council, or been a state representative, it would have given him some idea how the sausage is made. But he hasn’t, and being able to fire personnel who don’t agree with your business goals is nowhere near having to work with what will be a hostile bunch of Democrats like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. He can’t fire them. Sitting on a board of a company with a dozen people, who all have the same goal, putting the company in the black and earning profits for the stock holders, is one thing. Trying to manuver 400 Congressmen is quite something else.
Do I think Herman Cain would have made a good Congressman or Senator? Sure. He would have been a credit to those bodies. But he is too green about government to walk into the top office of our nations. It is just that simple.
And yes, I do find some similarities between Obama supporters and Cain supporters. Obama made great speeches (his speech writer was only 25 and brilliant) and he made a lot of promises he learned he could not keep. So I watched as the thongs gathered (almost one million in St. Louis alone) and wondered “What are they thinking about this untested guy?” And again, I ask myself what are you thinking about this untested guy?
You have nothing to go on with Cain. That is the reason none of you Cain supporters can tell what it is in his history that tells you how he will govern. I am not willing to take that chance just because someone is a motivational speaker and tells me what I want to hear. I am dead set against Romney. Why? His record. It gives me an indication of how he will govern if put into the Oval Office. With all the other candidates, Santorum, Bachmann, Gingrich, Paul, I can look at the bills they wrote, did they get then passed, etc., and I can pretty well determine from their histories what their positions are. And when they attack other candidates, I can look back on their record and see what position they took on that issue (like Santorum’s bill, S. 3564 that basically mirrors Rick Perry’s border stance.)
I also know this and this you may not like: there are 21.3 million registered Hispanic voters. In 2008, they voted 70/30 Democrat. In 2010, Hispanics voted 62/38 Democrat. That is an 8 point gain in just two years. Those of us in states with a large percentage of Hispanic voters have been working very hard to increase that number in 2012 by another 8 points, knowing that Hispanics are the fastest growing voter bloc because of their average age. With Hispanics voting 46% for a Republican, we would win the election, and off set the black vote, which will stay at least 90% Democrat. Think about what Texas has giving in Hispanic representation: Ted Cruz, now running for KBH’s seat; Francisco Canseco and Bill Flores, both solid conservatives. Canseco ran in a solid Hispanic district that was held by a Democrat, Ciro Rodriquez. Bill Flores defeated Chet Edwards, predicted by RCP to retain his seat. Cain will never carry the Hispanic vote, and whether any one likes it or not, Hispanics have now become a major player in elections. Cain also says he thinks he can garner 30% of the black vote. Perhaps he should talk to Tim Scott, Allen West or J.C. Watts about that. When push comes to shove, blacks will vote Democrat even if they have to vote for a white Democrat over a black Republican. It has been that way for decades and is not going to change anytime soon, at least not for the upcoming elections.
I will vote for road kill over Obama. That goes without saying. But Cain is not my first choice, or even my second or third choice. The learning curve for him will be just too steep.
I don’t bash you for who you support, although you, and others, seem to take it that way. I do think you are operating on pure emotion. How could you not? Cain has no record for you to defend. But that is your choice. As for me; I could care less what the candidates say, or how they say it. The proof is in the pudding,
retire05
You have outted yourself
noprisoners49 (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 8:00AM EDT (link)“Now, you need to develope a thicker skin if you are going to play with the adults. Not all will be as patient as I have been with you.” -retire05
Condescending
Patronizing
Insulting
But of course you really have nothing else to use against Cain supporters. However, this does not excuse your boorish behavior. Might I suggest some CBT sessions? Just a few…so you can learn to work and play well with others.
“Take no prisoners!” -T.E. Lawrence
noprisoners,
retire05 Sunday, October 30th at 11:14AM EDT (link)may I suggest you stay out of discussions between two other people?
No one likes a busy body.
Oh, and anyone who is going to participate in political discourse needs to be thick skinned. This ain’t beanbag.
retire05
Uh Oh retire05, now you get the "you don't know me" schtick
Scope (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 7:05PM EDT (link)How dare you point out an obvious about the Jr. Senator from IL, and compare him to Cain? You bad boy. Don’t you know how much these people are doing for conservatism, and organizing their communities to come out in support of their chosen candidate, Cain? How dare you name call (never heard you name call anyone) these stalwarts of conservatism? How dare you throw any monkey wrenches out against the next greatest thing that could hit American Idol soil. How dare you insult anyone who supports Cain. LOL
I guess you will be the next one on the please ban list. LOL
scope we may not be allowed over there, but ours is a welcoming
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 7:10PM EDT (link)post. All are welcome children, all are welcome.
Cain delivers, Obama destroys
noprisoners49 (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 7:48AM EDT (link)retire05, shall we compare Mr. Cain’s resume with Obama’s?
Mr. Cain:
• Bachelor’s degree in Mathematics.
• Master’s degree in Computer Science.
• Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).
• Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.
• VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation).
All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!
• Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company’s best performers.
• Godfather’s Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfather’s Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.
• In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfather’s Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again he reached the top of the ladder of another industry.
• He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side.
Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!
• Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.
• Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.
After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!
• Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think You’re Stupid.
• Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).
Obama:
Community organizer
State Senator
Lecturer
Author of several ghost written books
Any questions???
“Take no prisoners!” -T.E. Lawrence
I would love to have Cain as president
Ryan Larsen (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:42PM EDT (link)If I can’t have Romney, I’ll take Cain. Romney is my first of course.
“To be great is to be misunderstood” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Don't forget, Ryan. You were going to ...
acat (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:54PM EDT (link)look into your first choice’s association with Kjellander….
Cain is also on my top three list.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
acat, if he looked into that,
gekster (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:59PM EDT (link)he would see it would look bad for Romney, so he will just ignore it.
That’s what he does.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
We don't have the right
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:05PM EDT (link)to see it if it’s bad for Romney.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Since his name is neither on the masthead at the top of this page...
acat (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:50PM EDT (link)nor on anything resembling a court order, while I respect your tongue-in-cheek, I’ll just keep pointing out that Romney is a rotten candidate.
Bob Dole says Bob Dole would do better than Mitt Romney.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
gekster, that's a foregone conclusion.
acat (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:06PM EDT (link)He can answer, but if he doesn’t I’ll just keep asking.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
I would love to have Perry as President
bzip Saturday, October 29th at 9:03PM EDT (link)Well the two seem to always agree with each other so I don’t see where Cain and Romney would be much different. At least Romney will be a bit better at getting the independents.
Still waiting on my question as well, Ryan.
SoFiMil (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 8:04AM EDT (link)Or are you still in the Mittness Protection Program? This entire campaign. Romney’s strategy is to place defense and ride it out, not do anything, and be the the sole survivor. Voting “present” won’t fool and awe conservative voters.
Another example of this is: “Is Romney for a flat/flatter tax?” Whatever his answer eventually is, Flipping Mitt will make himself ‘perfectly clear’ and say: “I’ve always been strongly for/strongly against (fill in the blank).”
Ryan, waiting for your answer to the following. Hurry up and poll test your answer, them get back to me. Sorry to all re lack of an imbed.
http://www.red state.com/ryanlarsen/2011/10/28/open-letter-to-redstate-part-iii-various-misunderstandings/#comment-447
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Excellent analysis and expose, luke
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 12:56PM EDT (link)nt
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
I will not be voting for Mr. Cain...
iidvbii Saturday, October 29th at 3:23PM EDT (link)Though I do like the man a great deal. I am also very pleased with the effect he is having on the looney left. Like Palin in 2008 Cain breaks the stereotypical mold and stand’s in direct defience of the left’s socio political narrative. It is interesting watching them try and continue to validate this belief while engaging in the very behavior they claim to guard against. The duplicity and hypocrisy of their beleif system is on full display folks, grabs some popcorn and enjoy the show.
In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?
The Intent of the Attack
lukematthews (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 4:46PM EDT (link)The Left is trying to keep some a rein on their identity political base. They have to keep their coalition groups on the plantation and your point about Palin is exactly right. Palin, Cain, Bachmann, and Sen. Marco Rubio demolish their argument that Republicans are all rich white men. The Washington ComPost attacks against Rubio are to try and paint him as ‘white’ and not Hispanic.
Excellent points all.
Mass. spent over $93ml in emergency health benis for illegal immigrants
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 3:51PM EDT (link)MA State Rep. James J. Lyons Jr. apparently did a sit in at the house chambers until he got an answer to a simple question. How much is the state shelling out for emergency med care for illegal immigrants. He finally got an answer.
“58-year-old Andover Republican — who bucked Beacon Hill by holding a sit-in in the House chambers two weeks ago — pried the shocking report from state officials. It showed that nearly 55,000 illegal immigrants received more than $93 million in MassHealth benefits for emergency medical services last year.”
Watchdogs predicted that the report is likely to inspire deeper questions about the state’s lavish spending on health care for illegals.”
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Easy to see how this would hurt Romney. But I also think it will open up discussion on everything re illegal immigration. Cain is tough on this issue.
I think most people “have a heart” per se when it comes to seeing another human in pain and want to help. But 93 mil for emergency care alone is not chump change. And we’re in a recession. We can’t afford everything right now.
Props to Lyons for staying tough till he got the answers he sought.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1376781
tngal, how about some facts?
retire05 Saturday, October 29th at 4:16PM EDT (link)“Cain is tough on this issue.”
How so? Give examples of how Cain has been tough on this issue. Track record, tngal, track record. Now just platitudes.
retire05
you're not interested retire
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 4:41PM EDT (link)so don’t even ask “How So?”
We are so tired of your baiting on -cain has no experience-. You’re incessant “When are you going to answer me? Why haven’t you answered my question? You haven’t given me an answer yet !!” on -cain supporters has gotten old.
Get a different meme or a better copywriter. Sorry you’re frustrated your candidate isn’t ranking higher in the polls. Tuff noogies. Why not get out and do something about that.
Have a nice day.
I have no dog in this particular hunt,
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:03PM EDT (link)but why not just answer the question? I like Herman Cain. Alot. But from my limited knowledge, most of his accomplishments are business related. I would love an example or three about how he is tough on any political or policy issue.
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
They can't because Cain hasn't really articulated
Tbone (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:15PM EDT (link)a political position on anything other than Hermy wants to run for President.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
uh Aaron, wasn't this suppose to go in the Perry post/thread?
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 5:04PM EDT (link)this is a Cain post/thread. I think. Or did you mean for it to be in the Cain thread?
“The only canidate mentioned in THIS post is Governor Rick Perry.” No. Not true.
And hey, ask them to quit calling us out and we’ll quit going. That simple. But I think this needs ot go in the Parry thread.
Can't answer you over there scope, those are the
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 6:07PM EDT (link)rules, I think.
Aaron feels there is hijacking going on over there. I made mention we wouldn’t go over there if we weren’t calledor baited. But Aaron’s post telling us we were on the wrong thread got removed (because it was on the wrong thread) and mine saying we wouldn’t go there if ya’ll wouldnt call us over there was also removed.
So , they don’t want us answering question over there. So I can’t answer you over there.. When people ask “Why do cain supporters believe”, or what is it about Cain blah blah…we will answer. Additionally, if you direct a question to us personally, like you have to me before and others. We will answer back.
It’s really not that complicated. Don’t ask about his stand on this or what he’s gong to do about that. And then when we answer, you guys odn’t like the answers and rebut and question again, then we rebut… then we get called down for anwering under the post.
As i said in my eearlier post on this thread I won’t post if you don’t call. But you probably didn’t see that as my post was removed. I did howeve post on the “other” thread near AAron’s which has now been put in its rightful place, and slightly above a post from Neil which was directed specifically at me.
See its a c’m here, C’m'here, c’mhere….oooo get away, get away, get away thing.
tngal, over here.
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 6:56PM EDT (link)I’d like to share some info with you re an event that may or may not get off the ground. Shoot me an email at warbington3 @ att dot net if you’re interested.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
rightwingmom
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 7:07PM EDT (link)If you see something in your inbox marked tnpi, its me.
did u get it right wing
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:07PM EDT (link)I sent an email. Is this thing your planning in North AL. ?
tngal- You are baiting the Perry supporters
Scope (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 7:20PM EDT (link)You’ve insulted Aaron along with a few other Cainiacs who have joined in with you. You have no idea what fire you are playing with. But good luck with your agenda.
ps tngal- I can very easily ignore you
Scope (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 7:21PM EDT (link)and all of your merry band of Cainiacs. Watch me.
tngal, you are wrong, sorry to say.
gekster (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 10:36AM EDT (link)He did not kick you off the diary, or say you couldn’t comment in that diary.
What he did say was this:
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The only candidate mentioned in this post was Governor Rick Perry.
You all took it upon your self to attack the Governor and promote your chosen candidate. Now you complain about other commenters questioning him and you.
Too bad. You shouldn’t have brought him in to the discussion if you didn’t want to discuss him.
__________________________________________________________
Now show me the mix of words that said you could not post.
And I’m not saying anything, just trying to clear it up.
(if wanted, I have the full comment from Aaron)
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
gekster- That is just typical
Scope (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 11:34AM EDT (link)sensationalism, which cries out- Look at me, look at me. If that is the way the Cain supporters choose to draw attention to their candidate, they will wind up looking and sounding like the often disparaged Ron Paul supporters. How many times have you read that it’s Paul’s supporters that wind up causing anyone to just ignore Paul.
Just for the statistical record: Cain polls evenly with Perry On Rasmussen Report v. Obama
Xasteius (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 7:28PM EDT (link)Obama v. Perry: 45% v. 38%
Obama v. Cain: 44% v. 38%
And note this site polls likely voters v. registered voters and predicted the 2008 election to within 0.5%.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Cain needs...
intensity Saturday, October 29th at 7:49PM EDT (link)…a crash course on foreign politics and executive experience before he gets anywhere near the white house.
Cain is pro-choice . . .
redmymind (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:39PM EDT (link)but no worries. He’ll never get the nomination. Once the flirtation is over and the sheep finally wake up, they’ll know who to vote for. That said, let Cain have his day at the park. There’s time.
Cain's pro-life, but
Xasteius (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:05PM EDT (link)hismedia interviews are as good as Perry’s performances in the debates.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Well said, redmymind...
intensity Saturday, October 29th at 10:36PM EDT (link)…so when do you feel his poll numbers will start dropping??
November, . . . intensity . . . you'll see!
redmymind (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 1:58AM EDT (link)And this is the whole thing about the sensationalist media. They want everything fixed and determined “NOW” so that BHO can hone in on his prey, which he “prays” (IF he even prays at all, that is) to be either Cain or Romney: Cain for his lack of substance; Romney for his creepy lack of principles.
Remember, people are just starting to pay attention to the primary process. They’ll soon figure out who’s who and what each is made of . . . or NOT made of.
Perry’s actually doing the smart thing by keeping future debates an open question. Yes, he naturally draws criticism from the usual establishment drones (whether they are conscious of who they really are or not), BUT, two immediate advantages surface:
1. He keeps his opponents guessing.
2. He draws the fight to his own battlefield, determining his moves based on his OWN timeline and agenda and not that of others.
In essence, Perry is trying to create an unfair advantage over the others, and that’s exactly what you do when you want to win, hands down!
As for the charge of his “chickening out” of future debates, a consistent, solid debate performance on the one’s he chooses to participate in will dispel all doubts that this guy’s the real deal.
What I mean by “solid” debate performance as far as Perry is simply this:
1. Perry being Perry . . . not the rehearsed, overly handled, overly coached, overly processed, and “refined” Perry. (For all the rhetoric about Romney’s being a “slick” debator, I kinda get bored listening to him. He talks a lot, but says nothing I could take as being genuine. I actually prefer Perry’s gutsy, unpretentious style. But, if “smooth and slick” is what some really dig, they should re-elect BHO. BHO is a FAR better orator and debator than Romney could ever dream to be. BHO can actually “connect” with people. Mr. Roboto Romney just doesn’t have it, try as he might.)
2. Sticking to his positive core message, getting under his opponents’ skin enough to get them to lose composure, and deflecting any attempts to draw him into a trap.
I could go on and on, but the truth be told, Perry’s got a huge war chest and is surrounded by the sharpest seasoned minds who aren’t exactly known for “playing fair” and whose sole mission it is to make sure he wins!
“Walk-back” and “Flip-flop” may at best end up being wacky flavors at Ben & Jerry’s for folk of like temperament.
The National Right To Life Committee disagrees with you.
Finrod (Diary) Monday, October 31st at 2:20PM EDT (link)But keep on flogging that dead horse, cause you ain’t got nothing else:
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Finrod, another article about pro-life Cain
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Monday, October 31st at 2:29PM EDT (link)and his attacks on Planned Parenthood and the genocide of blacks…
LifeSiteNews.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
All the more reason . . .
redmymind (Diary) Monday, October 31st at 3:46PM EDT (link)for us to be concerned about the pro-choice answers he gave in the televised interviews . . . and his subsequently attemps to, in effect, “square the circle.”
lukematthews, I read an article recently
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:34PM EDT (link)entitled “Herman Cain, Outlier”. It was based on a theory being developed by the author that success in politics is dependent on specific parameters derived from historical statistical patterns. According to the author, Cain shouldn’t even be in this race at this stage of the progress, much less to be leading it…the odds are against him 1:300,000.
I started thinking about a lot of other outliers that have existed during human history. They’ve existed from just about aspect of life…philosophy, music, art, literature, and the field of science has had many of them. They contributed to many of societies greatest “breakthroughs”.
I wonder if they heard the same kinds of things Mr. Cain is hearing now…”you’re an outlier”, “what you’re suggesting can’t succeed”, “you can’t…”, “you can’t…”, “you can’t….”.
And some of our greatest nightmares, also.
Xasteius (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:15PM EDT (link)no text
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
I daresay you're thinking of it in the context of
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:28PM EDT (link)breakthroughs such as Napoleon and Hitler, huh? I wasn’t. I was thinking more along the lines of Franklin, Locke, Edison, Bohr, Curie, Aristotle, Wagner, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Shakespeare, Bell, Carver, Whitney, Confucius, Paul of Tarsus, Baird, Ford, etc.
But I’d imagine they heard more than their share of “you can’t…”, wouldn’t you? They defied the odds anyway.
Sunday Shows astounded Cain leads Iowa/national polls after they wrote him off last week
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 10:34AM EDT (link)amazing and feels right
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
It does, doesn't it, Mike?
lineholder (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 11:59AM EDT (link)I don’t see this as being that difficult to understand. The American people are sick and tired of the status quo that is bogging our nation down, and they associate the root cause of this status quo with government and politicians in general. Every some type of event occurs that emphasizes the outcomes of the actions of government, such as when unemployment increases due to regulatory measures implemented by government, it increase the intensity of that “anti” element in the political environment.
Of course “we the people” want a breakthrough that alters the status quo. Our nation’s future depends on it.
Bachmann is toast in Iowa, if she doesn't do something fast
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:47PM EDT (link)But probably too late there even with a strong push.
The desmoines register put out its latest poll numbers..and Bachmann pulled 8 percent. Back in June they did the poll and she was at 22 percent. And she won the big Iowa straw poll. I’ve read where she is putting just about everything she can into this state to pull her numbers up, but judging by this it ain’t happening.
Numbers aren’t too good for Santorum or Huntsman either.
The caucuses are Jan 3rd. Two months. Is two months enough time to get some of these lower numbers up? Should only big money players take part at this point? Romney has all but locked in NH according to earlier polls so why would Bachman or Santorum waste resources there?
They’ll have a big story tomorrow but have put up the percentages on all candidates this evening. And RCP has them.
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/10/29/cain-romney-lead-new-iowa-poll/
We'll Bachman's Certainly Not Going to Win New Hampshire
reaganbuckley Saturday, October 29th at 8:50PM EDT (link)This from Fox News Website. Team NH resigns and writes…
“The manner in which some in the national team conducted themselves towards Team-NH was rude, unprofessional, dishonest, and at times cruel. But more concerning was how abrasive, discourteous, and dismissive some within the national team were towards many New Hampshire citizens,”
She can always go back to working for the IRS!
Banned by Der Kommissars!
Bachmann is nearly toast period.
Xasteius (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:14PM EDT (link)Frankly, I’ve almost completely lost my respect for her due to her performance in the primary.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Xasteius, the debates didn't go so well for
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 10:00PM EDT (link)her, agreed. I believe because she kept trying to turn back everything to repealing Obamacare. Didn’t matter what the question was. I know that’s a huge deal. Especially for her. And a lot of the new as well as veteran representatives that got in last election sort of rode in on a Repeal Obamacare message. While its still a good message, I don’t believe its dominating the dialogue now.
Oh, and her outfit last time. I couldn’t tell if she was trying to do an homage to our sailors, or what. But it did distract. Voters pay attention to stuff like that in debates. She looked nice in it, but maybe not at the venue.
Still I give her props for being a rock solid conservative and starting up the Tea Party Caucus. She does well when giving speeches and press releases, but then so does Obama.
I wasn't paying attention to her outfit, just the
Xasteius (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 11:55PM EDT (link)words coming out of her mouth,
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
I correct myself; Bachmann is not toast, but rather the Black Knight.
Xasteius (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 7:43PM EDT (link)Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
yes, its only a flesh wound.
tngal (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 7:49PM EDT (link)She could regrow her candidacy in 8 should do well with no problem.
(Provided she brings some shrubbery to the knights who say nee. Without the shrubbery, she’s going nowhere.)
I regret to inform you that any minority who leaves the Democratic Party plantation is a racist.
reaganbuckley Saturday, October 29th at 8:52PM EDT (link)no text
Banned by Der Kommissars!
was that in the contract reaganbuckley
tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 8:54PM EDT (link)Fine print?
reaganbuckley, have you heard about a group called
lineholder (Diary) Saturday, October 29th at 9:32PM EDT (link)“Raging Elephants”? This is a group of black Conservatives who apparently have decided that they want to speak out in convincing other blacks to leave that plantation. They’ve started a billboard campaign in a few states. One of the billboards is in Houston, and it reads “GOP Is The New Black”. It’s pretty interesting. You can see a picture of it here:
http://www.thegrio.com/politics/billboard-the-gop-is-the-new-black.php
Get Used to It
publious Sunday, October 30th at 1:07AM EDT (link)Re: "to the detriment of the African-American community"
bk (Diary) Sunday, October 30th at 9:10AM EDT (link)Yes, because they have prospered SO MUCH under the first black President.
The double standard you point out of praising (or at least ignoring) Obama when he condescendingly and consciously switches to “black-speak” is the same tired stuff we’ve seen from the press forever. Here’s an old example:
Reagan in the 80s: “Most of these homeless people have mental health issues.”
Press: “This proves how cold-hearted he is, trying to sweep them under the rug.”
Clinton in the 90s: “Most of these homeless people have mental health issues.”
Press: “This proves how insightful he is, trying to help solve their problems.”
It never ends.
I am a Perry supporter and will not be voting
runner12 (Diary) Monday, October 31st at 5:58PM EDT (link)for Cain, for various reasons. However, this attack by this woman is not only racist but completely illogical. Her bias is not even thinly veiled. The double standard is nauseating and makes her look utterly foolish.
Why not just come out and say that what Obama does is always right because he is a liberal and what a black consetvative does is always wrong? At least she would be honest if she said this. Instead she tries to make a bizarre argument as to why her bias is acceptable.
Amazing.
Ingraham: " This man is a good man. That is my gut. Woman’s intuition is what it is"
tngal (Diary) Tuesday, November 1st at 11:53AM EDT (link):aura Ingraham talked with Cain on her show this morning. They discussed inconsistancies, 10-days, and fundraising.
NRO has a condensed version for all those who keep returning to these things. Maybe you’ll get the answers you seek. Or maybe you’ll dismiss.
Interesting note: turns out yesterday was one of his biggest, if not the biggest single fundraising day he’s had online. Read somewhere it was 250,000.
Go Black Walnut!!!!! (i prefer butter pecan but black walnut’s pretty good)
forgot link
tngal (Diary) Tuesday, November 1st at 11:56AM EDT (link)crap. forgot the link. sorry.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/281834/cain-has-his-biggest-fundraising-day-nro-staff
Thanks for the link, tngal.
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Tuesday, November 1st at 12:02PM EDT (link)I’ve been eyeing the BlueBell Black Walnut at the grocery the last couple of trips, but keep buying the butter pecan. You’ve convinced me to give it a try next time. LOL!
On the way home from work last night, I heard several callers calling into Mark Levin saying they donated to Cain because of the attacks.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
We're The Racists
carolynr Tuesday, November 1st at 12:44PM EDT (link)Well…before you get all hot and bothered…why is this a race issue? This was made a race issue because of the MSM and the Conservatives doing a one up on Obama. Why, please tell me does sexual harassment have a color to it? Was it racist when Bill Clinton did it…NO. We continually help the left divide this country…let’s stop it. Herman…the way you handled this stinks. It has nothing to do with your color…it has to do with your judgment or that of your staff.
We’ve made this race about two black people instead of ideas and solutions. I’m more interested in the latter. BTW…I like Cain but I will vote for Perry…solutions and evidence.