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Scott Brown is … Scott Brown!

As a conservative Tea Party patriot I confess I joined the online enthusiasm over the special election to fill the late Senator Edward Kennedy’s seat. We who say we stand on principles were upended the afternoon of Thursday, July 15, 2010. The Tea Party endorsed candidate Scott Brown swung his vote in Senate for the financial reform bill. Should anyone be in shock?

We knew who Scott Brown was not.He was not Ted Kennedy. Moreover, we knew too much about who Scott Brown is. We had Mr. Brown’s raw biography chronicled from birth to military to magazine to state legislature. A former JAG, Scott Brown supported the troop surge as a necessary component to achieve victory. That gave his candidacy a too hasty patriotic salute.

Senator Brown’s stands, however, on social issues were and are clearly moderate. Though he would not reject The Defense of Marriage Act, Scott Brown avowed the issue of same sex relationships in his state was “settled.” Despite his stand against partial birth abortion and his stand for parental consent, for Scott Brown the case of Roe vs. Wade was the “law of the land,” a law social conservatives deem unconscionable as it undermines the constitutional protection of life.

As for his fiscal positions, Brown seemed circumspect, as his campaign claimed he would not push for taxes in “a severe recession.” In a September 2009 radio interview Candidate Brown, reflected on the year anniversary of the financial meltdown.

It’s all about the economy and jobs. Pulling back on the financial [regulations], I think if you do too much too soon, it doesn’t have a chance to catch up and see if we can work out of this ourselves through free enterprise, through private enterprise, intervention and creativity. So I’m all in favor of just holding back for a little bit and letting private enterprise try to get us out of this mess.

So Thursday “a little bit” of time was up. Senator Brown cast a deciding vote. Does it matter whether the Senator along with two other Republican Party Senators read the 2,315 pages of that bill? Few in Congress know the details. The President will sign this bill with its 350,000 worded regulations. In this vote Senator Brown averred his moderate, big government stance.

Though I couldn’t vote for him, nor did I fund his campaign, I confess. I blindly rooted for his victory. I did not wear my pince-nez of principles nor my Franklin founding spectacles. I could have read the fine print news articles and determined that Brown was and is Brown.

In this election year we need to be as wise and as well-read as Jesus Christ and Abe Lincoln. I pray we don’t become repeat offenders in future political campaigns.

COMMENTS

  • izoneguy

    Who pays for the new financial regulation bill?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/17/who-pays-for-the-new-financial-regulation-bill/

    This is so basic that people inside the Beltway never learn it. Costs imposed on businesses get passed to consumers. It doesn

  • JadedByPolitics

    He was elected as a FISCAL Conservative by the people of MA who quite like the rest of the Country was ready for the Federal Government to STOP the SPENDING! He by voting for this over 2K page bill has INCREASED Federal spending because there are too many NEW Federal Government JOBS in that bill to regulate the market. I certainly did not expect a Social Conservative however I like EVERYONE who supported him and the voters who voted for him expected a FISCAL Conservative and that the voters of MA did NOT get!

    • Swamp_Yankee

      That his opposition to the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell has helped keep repeal of DADT on the sidelines.

      http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2010/05/brown_to_vote_n.html

      Just like Ted Kennedy and Martha Coakley

      • Scope

        up things that you give Brown credit for that haven’t actually even happened yet. You say it hasn’t happened because of Scott Brown. You have credited him with stopping Amnesty and Global Warming legislation. They have not come up, yet, because we are in an election year where the Dims have already fallen on the sword for the O, and, cannot be asked to do so again if they have the first chance of re-election. That has nothing to do with Brown. The test will be after the elections when the D’s try pushing crap in the lame duck session. After Fin. Reform., GC was correct, Intrade will be voting on how he votes with those pieces of legislation, it is that much up in the air. Personally I believe it depends on who promises him the most. He has no principles, period.

        • Swamp_Yankee

          Time and votes. We know how ruthless they are. Without the health care delays, that bill would have passed as early as January. Brown’s election alone ate up over two months of the legislative calender. What do you think, they were just going to sit there. No, they would have jumped right into financial reform, and there would have been no negotiating and no filibuster and that would have passed in weeks.

          If Reid has 10 pieces of legislation he wants to push through, and he knows he can get Brown and Snowe and Collins on 3 of the 7, well guess what? He pushes those 3 forward, so it looks like they are voting with the Dems all the time. Obama called Brown to woo him on amnesty. They want it bad. But he wouldn’t budge. Just like they are wooing him on DISCLOSE.

          The threat of filibuster is working in many areas.

          Haystack has a front page piece about Obama whining about the GOP filibuster. Yes, the very real GOP filibuster. Who do you think is behind this:

          http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-obama-republicans,0,870945.story

          Its simple math. You cant do that without all 41.

          • Achance

            The “purists” here want candidates who’d have trouble carrying a majority white farming or ranching district in The South or intermountain West elected to the US Senate in urban, unionized, industrialized states. The only thing most of these “grassroots,” “true conservative” candidates are doing is making the World safe for people like Harry Reid. That SOB was ready to be embalmed until the “true conservate” got the nomination. Now, the “true conservatives” like these guys – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAGdoBcnjWQ&NR=1 – want to take out Senator Murkowski. Those guys couldn’t elect anybody in more than half a dozen districts in once very Red Alaska, but Miller is the darling of the “true conservatives.”

          • JadedByPolitics

            called in? I believe he was whining yesterday about how mean those Democrats were to not even give his unemployment legislation a look see, yep that chit works well!

          • Achance

            It is easy to be a purist on a blog or about a state in which you don’t live and know nothing about. It is a lot harder when you’re the one who has to go find the fifty percent plus one, or the votes to over ride a veto. The world looks a lot different when you’re doing that than it does when you’re sitting around with the “true conservatives” assembling another circular firing squad to help defeat another Republican.

          • JadedByPolitics

            There was no expectation from the THOUSANDS who gave him 100′s of THOUSANDS of dollars when the RNC had written him off that he would ever be a Social Conservative however he said and I quote “The choice of U.S. Senator is going to turn on this critical issue: who can voters trust to cut wasteful spending, keep taxes low and get our economy moving again.”

            If I were a purist his stance on gay marriage and abortion would have STOPPED me cold however I recognized that the next couple election cycles would be on FISCAL Conservatism and thousands more like me put aside the social issues to support a man who said he was FISCALLY Conservative.

            Do I have chits? mmmm NO but so far Scott Brown doesn’t have any either, well maybe he will get that big old GE contract worth billions of dollars that the military doesn’t need to you know jack up OUR Countries debt even more but hey that is just the way things are down in DC and since that is the way it has always been I suppose that is the way it will always be because it certainly cannot be that Americans (purists) would want change or hope or anything like that RIGHT?

            I know you have been there done that and your experience is superior to the LOVE OF COUNTRY that WE purists have and OUR desire to see politicians who actually keep their word so I will keep working to elect those who make that promise and I will work to un-elect those who do not.

          • Achance

            It’s the tally sheet that whomever is carrying a bill carries around to first list his/her committed votes and, second, record what he had to give them to get the vote.

            He’s a caucus vote. The problems people have with some Republicans are a caucus discipline problem based on the fact that the Party needs candidates more than the candidates need the Party, and that is especially true of incumbents. Democrats have caucus discipline and they have Party discipline; their interest groups don’t go off the reservation trying to kill incumbents. The hard conservative side of of the Republican coalition likes fighting Republicans more than they like fighting Democrats and you have to either figure out how to get elected and stay elected without them or they force you into positions that guarantee the Democrat will win. That’s just the simple fact of it. The purists are all over Miller here in Alaska, but that guy couldn’t carry half a dozen districts in a general election and nominating him gives the seat to the D. So all the principled people here expect a freshman Senator in the minority to buck Dodd, Frank, and Comrade Obama in a state like MA?

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            …going after incumbents this year, though, Witness Lincoln in Arkansas.

          • Achance

            The unions work that way; they give you a chance to do the right thing and leave the pistol on your desk.

          • mbecker908

            the idea that the far left is responsible for Algore losing in 2000. That would be Nader and the Greens.

          • mbecker908

            The correct third parties, that is.

          • JadedByPolitics

            “their interest groups don

          • Achance

            I’ll guarantee you that VERY high level contact was made with Lincoln to try to get her to stay with the Party line before they attacked her. The Ds don’t have all these volunteer circular firing squad that so many self-styled “true conservatives” like so much.

          • Scope

            but I get a little angry with you when you even bother to respond to the know-it-alls. We have a few of them here for sure. Post your ideas and opinions, and, let your comments stand on their own. These people? will always try to carry you into the gutter where they live. You don’t belong their. I just love how some who live in a particular state, county, city, think that no one outside of their little world could possibly do some research on any topic, even though the world-wide web brings a wealth of information about whatever you can want to research. Jaded, let it go, they aren’t worth it.

          • mbecker908
          • Achance
          • Scope

            I have some good links to what is going around the web by the old guys on Redstate that desire to control the conversation. It’s juicy and correct.

          • mbecker908
          • Achance
          • Doc Holliday

            calling me a drunk among other things. I didn’t know he was making a list lol. I have stayed away from him, just to be safe.

          • Scope

            http://www.wikihow.com/Spell-Commonly-Misspelled-Words

          • Doc Holliday
          • Achance
          • Doc Holliday

            into a bunch of meta crap. this is a site for political friends, if you want to trash other members, join Kos.

          • Doc Holliday

            very personal ways. But I am big enough to ignore it. I have stayed away from you but you have not stayed away from attacking RS’ers. Dude, seriously, let it go. Don’t get banned over nothing, This is not exactly a diary to make your last stand on.

            I think you do offer some good ideas here. I am trying to be fair, I hate gang ups. I don’t speak for Achance, Mbeck, or anyone here. I am certainly not a RS “insider” even after 4+ years. Jaded is more of an insider than I am. I am just saying, let it drop, I don’t have to be saying this, but I am a maverick. I don’t want you out of here, I don’t want all this friction for no good reason. We all want conservatives to win right? This is the last thing I am going to say on the topic.

          • mbecker908

            where she has actual experience and personal knowledge. End of story.

            Scope’s problem is when she decides to use Google, reads one article and decides she has an opinion that is the fountain of knowledge and truth, when in fact she just shows herself off to be an ignorant fool. Her biggest problem is that she doesn’t know how to frame an argument.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            Seriously….

          • Doc Holliday

            you don’t know my history with Scope, I was trying to cool a situation down. I never responded to Scope until the comment about sending private emails about a Red State conspiracy. My hope is that Scope took my olive branch to heart.

            I am not sure what your game is here Swamp, if i remember correctly you and I have got on pretty well here. I don’t gang up on anyone, I speak for myself and will defend ANYONE when I think they are right whether it is popular or not.

            Swamp, I don’t want to fight with you, so why not just leave it alone.

          • Doc Holliday

            I am asking for peace. You want to keep taking shots, do it, if you really want to fight, you will get one. I don’t want to fight, but if you keep asking for one, you might just get what you asked for.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            This whole thread, I fought for my guy. Its funny that the only two people to jump in were achance and mbecker., huh, my momma always called me an old soul.

            Yeah, they jump on me at every thread because I protect my people. I protect my blood. They sh*t on Scott Brown and then when they are done the pissing on Scott Brown and they rant and rave like little little impetuous school children.

            My real name is Luke. If you really want a piece of me, I swear to God on the Holy Bible. its death or jail between us. You threaten me like that, you better back it up

            I love to fight. I put down a whole insurgent biker gang. I was appointed a 303 certified attorney in Mass one year after I got arrested for getting into a fight with a cop.

            My hands are broken. My heart is broken. I have nothing to live for but this, my country. Declare war on me and I will hunt you down like a stuck pig.

            Keep threatening me

          • Doc Holliday

            I was going to say how amazing it is that you feel so strongly about someone as milquetoast as Scott Brown. You insulted my peace offering to Scope, who is well to the right of me, and not your political ally.

            But since you went this far, you are getting into law enforcement areas. I would suggest you put the booze down and beg someone here to delete your last post.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            kid…

          • conservativecrusade

            handle it doc, The moment he opened his mouth proclaiming his internet toughness, made physical threats (over the safe internet) when none were stated at him, it became obvious he is a pathetic insecure Napoleon who is unstable. You can always tell the jokes when they so expand on their internet threats by stating all their toughness rather than just telling you they will whoop your ass. Guess they think the claims of kicking all the bikers to hell and fighting a cop will impress someone and make everyone shake in fear. Just move on and let the ones who deal with losers like this finish the fight!

          • Doc Holliday

            I was banned for 3 months because I said something positive to tbone after being told not to respond to his posts. This guy threatens to hunt me down and kill me, and it is like know one cares. I am sorry if I am going off, but I kind of feel like a schmuck at this point.

          • Doc Holliday

            I appreciate that you are one of the few that took this seriously. I would think I had more friends here, but maybe not. If this guy is not banned by morning, I will be calling the Massachusetts state police. If he is banned, I will let it go for a while. Maybe he can convince the directors to ban him, because I obviously can not.

            I will be calling the crime reporting unit at (508) 820-2115. I already have a page of information on this guy.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            … you go around throwing barbs, asserting authority, and then when you dont get your way and , someone is mean to you, you fold like a deck of cards in a earthquake.

            You, are no a man. I dont know what you are, but you are not a man. You start crap and then hide behind the police.

            What a pathetic coward

          • gekster

            Go watch a movie or something.
            Your slurring your spelling.
            You got to quit digging this hole your in.
            I’m not telling ya to, just some friendly advice.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            Well that port is small compared to where I come from. My port is much bigger then that port. The biggest in the country. My brothers are the sweetest and most foul people you’ll meet.

            I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to represent, my people from the local lobsterman to Scott Brown. I watch people on redstate all the time, just tell people what they want to hear to be cool,

            The quid pro quo gets tiring. At some point in time, a man must stand up and be a man. Do whatever, but the constant assault against my people of the Northeast corridor needs to be defended.

            I’m just one guy, if you cant handle me, this whole monument is pathetic. We already have sissies threatening to call the cops.

          • gekster

            I can’t figure if those guys are brave or stupid.
            The only port I’ve seen is port Huron, here in Michigan.
            It gets quit busy at times during the day, but I really like it at night, when it’s not so busy.
            I like sitting on the docks when the wind is calm, the moon is rising on a starfull summer night, and it’s so peaceful, it seams all is right with the world.
            The gentle lapping of the waves has a very calming effect, and I feel an inner peace.
            Times like that I know God is in his heaven.
            I can only imagine what it must be like to sit at the shores of the Atlantic when it is like that.
            I know that Lake Huron is no comparisan to the Atlantic, but it’s all I have here.

          • Doc Holliday

            I see you haven’t posted since our little back and forth. I hope you are doing ok and just taking a break. I still think you were out of line, but it is forgotten on this side. I think you were drinking a few, but so was I. In fact, several in the thread admitted as such.

            I think I understand how you were feeling that night, my understanding was from reading your posts again. You were kind of worked up that “everyone” was “attacking” Scott Brown. And at some point you felt as if this was some kind of attack on your background, state, region, culture, and family. I can assure you NO ONE here meant anything of the kind, I know I did not. I did not even know about your culture, his culture, in fact I did not even know what a “Swamp Yankee” was at the time.

            I am not posting this to embarrass you, I am posting to say I hope all is well with you. I have been at points where I felt a bunch of people here did not understand me and were against me. I have also said things I soon regretted. I know I regret our argument.

            anyway, this is the Doc wishing you well, and hoping you come back if that is what you want. cheers.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            … I’m just tired of gettin bullied around here. Its Saturday, and I’m drinking heavily. That’s how I react to local stuff. Sorry moderators, everyone. I know its just the internet, but thats how I react when people threaten me. Its a gut thing. Now I really feel like an *sshole.

          • Doc Holliday

            I feel sorry for you, I really do. But you went way, way over the line. I have never seen anything like this here.

          • conservativecrusade

            of the Napoleon complex. Just move on and let him think he impressed someone with his claims of god like toughness!

          • Doc Holliday

            I actually feel sorry for the guy.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            Are you going to Austin????

          • Doc Holliday

            but I guess no one cares at this site about that. Dude, did you read my post? How can you possibly be keeping this up? What is the meaning of this? I get the directors are doing nothing, but why keep going. If you want to get banned call a director a bad name, stop threatening mere “readers”.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            …. Believe it kid, I was a prosecutor in Bristol County. Wait, we are not in Mass anymore… we are in the land of internet tough guys. I forgot.

          • gekster

            and come back tommorrow when I’m sure everyone will have a bit more common sense.
            I have no dog in this, just hate the cicular firing squad thing.

          • Doc Holliday

            I understand drinking and being out of line, but this is beyond the pale, he threatened me with death. I am getting all the info on him I can get right now. This is no freaking joke.

          • gekster
          • conservativecrusade

            Get real!

          • Swamp_Yankee

            Hanging around redstate for four years. You think you so cool apparently. You are out of your league, douchebag.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            Your so cool and tough… lets do it right now… Boson Common. You, ypu F*cking Queer.. Stand up to your sh*t.

            .I will be there I’m right next door.

            We will see how impressed you are in person.

          • JSobieski

            by your behavior. Why not just sleep it off?

          • Swamp_Yankee

            ….

          • JSobieski

            nt

          • Swamp_Yankee

            The worst thing that ever happened to me is when my mom got dragged into my life. My great aunts called my mom “a pint of peanuts”

            You guys bitch and whine… then leave..dont listen.. or read.

            They came after me one day… , they flew in from Florida. They came just to kill me because I was affiliated with the wrong crowd, I was a a teenager and I had a hit on my life.

            My poor mama. They took baseball bats to her window, they harassed her to no end, They tried to intimidate my “pint of peanuts”,. My momma had no idea what was even going on.

            The only thing or take, or the only reason I bring it up/ Just to let people know its political. Not personal

            Unlike the yahoo conservatives, Sobieski, I tripled majored in History, PoliSci and Legal Studies. I finished with three majors in 4 years and graduated with honors, Most so-called- conservatives were busy jagging off

            Patience with the rookies, rookies will be rookies…. Patience for the new block of heroes who steps up to be the next generation of conservative warriors

          • JSobieski

            My parents lived in Poland during WWII. My mom’s first memory is of a German officer cleaning his boots while sitting in my grandfather’s chair. My college roommate’s dad was as Auschwitz at the tender age of 14. You think you are the only one with a tough childhood?

            I majored in engineering, have a law degree, and started a law firm specializing in technology-based legal issues.. So what? We each have problems and we each have accomplishments.

            Keep the friendly fire to a minimum, otherwise, you become what the military refers to as a liability. Why take a political disagreement about Senator Brown and turn it into an attempt at a physical confrontation?

            As you pointed out above, you have been drinking. If drinking makes you this combative over the political fortunes of Senator Brown, I suggest you refrain from drinking and posting.

            Seriously, it is painful to see someone spiral out of control—and from your previous comments, that is precisely what has happened.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            My father is half Pole, so is my my mother. They were both half Portuguese too.

            I love the way I grew up and its so weird to watch the NB waterfront get perverted by media.

            NB is the biggest port in the country, bigger then all the Alaska ports and the Louisiana ports.

            Its a Portuguese /Polishcommunity. I’m half and half. My Dad was half Pole and Port NB. My Mom was half Pole an Port out of Fall Reeve.

            And if know my people, the raw, working, non-privileged Poles and Ports like I do, you wouldn’t judge us like you are right now.

            Nastrovia!!!

            Back to the gutter, back to the ghettos, back where we belong. Just shut your mouth and dont talk to loud you Sypeks and Cebulas…Just bow down and take it it and never ask questions you dumb Poles, you Sypeks and Cebula…

            But I’m a a new generation,and my people who lived and died and died in the mills so I could do something better will not have passed in vain.

            I dont care about your last name or whether you visited Poland. I am am a Cebula and I am from New Bedford. Every single day I am thankful . Y ou really want to fight, you will get one.

          • JSobieski

            Why you insist on picking fights, I don’t understand. I am not judging you as a person, I was judging your conduct last night.

            You make all sorts of assumptions about everyone you deal with, while accusing them of doing the same. You really should try calming down, avoiding blogging while drinking, and take a fresh look at the person you want to be.

          • hickorystick

            you did a great job in the off-year election of SB. I understand your frustration with people tearing down what you built up. People in the South, don’t understand the ostricism you recieve when you say you are a Republican, while saying in a big city in the north half.
            I don’t know if it’s a job or a girl, but hang in there.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            I was a corporate lawyer for two fortune 100 companies. Whats painful to me is to see people treat the “blogosphere” like real life.

            That sad. That’s pathetic. People hanging around a blog for friendship and meting, and its ten time worse when they critique drinkers. Pathetic.

          • Doc Holliday

            I guess what you said was no big deal. I am not waiting for any “directors” to come to my defense, that is a weak position, not my thing. My advice to you is to get some help and be careful what you say online, you threatened my life and that is a crime.

            I am NOT going to report it, that is my decision. It would be nice if you apologize, but only if you mean it. Either way, don’t do that to me again. I might just leave the site myself because this is no longer an enjoyable pastime. Good luck to ya sir.

          • Achance

            I contributed my part of the days festivities by going back and forth with Jaded and scope, never a useful exercise. Anyway, I’ve had a glass in my hand all day and I haven’t gotten as far into this as you guys, so maybe it is time to back away; none of this is real. It is time for beddie-bye, and tomorrow will be a better day.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            My life is officially in the gutter.

          • dajeeps

            Then he is doing his job.

            Party politics seems to me to be a big part of the problem where people have to be bribed to vote for things they wouldn’t otherwise so they can go back home and say something like, “Yeah I did vote for that but I also brought home all this money.” The power brokering off the backs of Joe Average has got to stop somewhere and our reps need to start representing the people who sent them to D.C. in the first place.

            Regardless of what others might think about Scott Brown, I would much rather have him than the two steaming piles in the Senate from my state– Schumer and Gilibrand who don’t give a hoot about what anyone wants but themselves.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            … but since its my backyard, I figure I need to stand my ground.

            Its nice and all that people are becoming involved with their local parties. I just get a kick out of people telling me what the people of Massachusetts really want. I joined my Republican town committee 15 years ago and been to the last 4 state conventions. I even created my own PAC when I was 23 to help get local candidates elected. I’ve knocked on thousands of thousands doors.

            But I’ve learned at redstate that if you just run a real conservative, they win every time!!! The simplicity of that strategy escaped me all these years.

      • JadedByPolitics

        exactly, it doesn’t. The bottom line is that ALL around the Country even in BLUE area’s a Republican or Democrat who LIES well and tells the voters they will STOP spending and budget like those families have to will WIN and then lo and behold they get to DC and they have been proven to be a LIAR! That don’t work anymore, this is a 24/u7 society and their LIES are there for all to see. I am thrilled to have busted the Democrats in the mouth with his win however Scott Brown is a LIAR!

        • Swamp_Yankee

          I was simply pointing out the fact that you expected nothing from him on social issues.

          By the way, Massachusetts voters support the bill by a 70% margin. I love it when people from out of state speak on behalf of a whole state that they know little about.

          You know what a lie is?

          A lie is when arrogant politicians like Obama, Reid and Pelosi push legislation through even though poll after poll show the people dont want it. To defy the will of the people and then pretend that you are acting on behalf of the will of the people.

          Well, welcome to Massachusetts.

          Brown is the manifestation of the will of the people. Its not a conservative state. It would be a LIE for him to say he’s the “people’s senator” and then vote with the GOP a 100% of the time because that is not what the people want or expect.

          That’s what you would call a LIE. He said he would independently, not be beholden to party bosses and listen to the people. To bow down to the party whip would make him a LIAR. To act like a conservative ideologue would make him a LIAR.

          • JadedByPolitics

            since they “like” what Scott Brown is doing. Then you can come back and tell US that Scott Brown is beloved by the people and will continue voting with the will of the people. He certainly USED the TEA Party though didn’t he? he is a master politician for sure.

          • mbecker908

            And in ’12, the people of MA will vote overwhelmingly for TheOne. But unless they’ve got a good candidate, Brown has a pretty good shot at getting reelected. It will be about who they run against him.

            Brown didn’t USE anybody. He said he’d vote against OCare, he did. He offered the people outside of MA the opportunity – thanks ONLY to the fact that Martha was the worst candidate for US Senate in 250 years – to take the seat held by TK and give BO a blue eye in the process. There was a fair amount of commentary at the time of the election that he wasn’t a conservative and wouldn’t hue the right side of the line. I can’t imagine why this vote is a surprise. A disappointment sure, but a surprise, not hardly.

    • Scope

      There is no question that Brown was elected for his fiscal conservative promises. As izoneguy said, he is toast when he comes up for re-election. That is what we mean by “Hold Their Feet To The Fire.” We surely will.

      • JadedByPolitics

        rely on the NRSC or the RNC for more then 500K the next time because the TEA Party and the GRASSROOTS will NOT be sending him a dime! One thing Americans can agree on is that LIARS do not deserve their hard earned dollars! You say it in a campaign you better damn well DO IT when elected.

        BTW this is how PATHETIC Scott Brown is, he has given a win to the Democrats and they in turn did not even give short shrift to his unemployment benefits legislation and they are CLUBBING him and the rest of the Republicans as EVIL for not giving those unemployed workers their money! I suspect all that bending over has left Mr Brown quite sore!

        • From ME to You

          he will probably, no, definitely anger a large portion of the people who voted for him the first time.

          If he trends left he’ll lose the marginal conservatives, If he trends right he’ll get demolished by the democrat machine

          Massachusetts is VERY liberal. That Scoot brown won is testament to the fact that Martha Coakley was a terrible candidate. She was so bad the some democrats couldn’t stand her and couldn’t bring themselves to vote for her.

          I seriously doubt that Mr.Brown will be reelected unless the Democrats nominate a turnip.

          • From ME to You
  • Doc Holliday

    Maybe I read too fast, or maybe it is not very clear. Either way, Scott Brown has been a huge disappointment. He can never please the left, and he is trying to piss off the right. That tells me he will be a one partial termer.

    • Swamp_Yankee

      There’s been a couple of times when Brown voted with Dems and everyone predicted collapse, but this is the reality on the ground (and not internet message boards and blogs) in late June,:

      http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/06/28/brown_outpolls_kerry_obama/

      “Asked their opinion of Brown, 55 percent of those polled said they view him favorably, only 18 percent unfavorably. His rating among Republicans is 79 percent favorable, 3 percent unfavorable. And 55 percent of independents

      • Doc Holliday

        and if he is just a RINO and a number to us, he is preferable to a Democrat. I still predict he will lose the next election unless he changes course. The entrenched Demo machine in MA. is still there. Brown won partly because he excited Obama opponents across the country who sent him money, he will not have that next time.

      • Doc Holliday

        he got elected saying he would oppose Obama’s socialist policies. Has he done that? If he were a General promoted to stop the enemy, would you say he did his job?

        I don’t really care if he opposes gay marriage or not, I want him to start opposing SOMETHING Obama is doing. I also want him to start leading on SOMETHING we conservatives care about. Is he leading on military issues? Is he leading on ANY issues? The only time I hear his name is when he folds again.

        • Swamp_Yankee

          then I might suggest the GOP is in big trouble.

          But there’s more then DADT. I just brought that up as one of the many things where he has thrown his weight behind the GOP that go unnoticed. Remember when Obama kept trying to push immigration forward. They wanted that desperately and pushed Brown, who in turn they hoped could turn the Maine girls.
          Just another example of Brown rebuffing the liberal agenda:

          http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36112.html

          My point is that for all the things he helps, no one notices. But the few things he folds, people act like impetuous children. I never figured that he would vote with the party leadership a 100% of the time.

          I’ll remind people that your not going to get a milquetoast Dem in 2012. One bad thing Brown did is that he forced Dems to sharpen their teeth. Those who root for Brown’s demise, empower a future liberal Democratic Senator of the most radical, vicious, and anti-American kind.

          And it just so happens that national security isn’t a prominent theme right now. Those people who would root against a true Patriot and a man who will protect this country and enable an appeasement liberal who hates this country to win a US Senate seat are the real phony conservatives in my book.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            so my spelling and grammar sucks. I’ve got clients coming in.

          • Doc Holliday

            support your man, correct me when I am not informed, but stop all the accusations throughout this thread, they are not helping.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            … are over generalized because I am arguing with a bunch of people at once. I wasn’t really addressed to you per se. I’m not sure which part offended you, but I stand by what I say.

          • Doc Holliday

            others with respect.

            Here are some things you said in this thread:

            “But I

        • hickorystick

          Scoot Brown will be a role player. The issues of the Northeast are different form the South or Midwest. I personally think the Republican Party is shooting itself in the foot by demanding a uniform conservatism across the country. Each region needs to define it’s issues based on it’s own values, culture and history. Otherwise your asking a candidate to rub the fur of the voters the wrong way. It isn’t within SB’s power to change the MA voter anyway.

          • Doc Holliday

            and interpret it as you have. And I think anyone who sits in the US Senate should try to be someone of consequence.

          • hickorystick

            I don’t understand why you should care one way or the other.
            -”Either way, Scott Brown has been a huge disappointment. He can never please the left, and he is trying to piss off the right. That tells me he will be a one partial termer.-”
            SB voted in favor because his state benefits by controlling financing for other states. They train the Ivy League thieves, and they set up corporations to steal the wealth of the rest of America. That’s their racket. That’s why Barney want’s control of the Banks. the Senate is nothing more than a gang of Cattle Wrestlers. I couldn’t care less what their stated ideology is. I just wan’t to know where the money is going.
            The nice thing about the vote, is it allows you to put a bullet (political) in your own Senators head once in a while. If a Senator can scuttle Federal interference and wrusltling more often than not, then I’m happy. But I have no control over another states Senator. I am having some success in getting rid of Patty Murray though.
            Speaking of money, she is an anti-war candidate who swears she is the biggest supporter of Boeing. I wonder what exactly, she thinks Boeing does?

          • Doc Holliday

            I guess I was just bothered that what I thought was just political opinion was responded to as rooting against Brown. Heck, I am rooting for the guy. But there has to be a reason those MA Dems voted for him. They didn’t want what they have had for so long or they would have stayed with the Dem.

          • hickorystick

            They can be a rascally bunch, which I respect. One of his planks was pro-torture of all things. He did his homework. We lose a bunch of seats because the Pols go with advisors strategies, instead of what the voters are telling them. McCain spent years going to Townhalls, and none of it was reflected in his campaign.
            I am excited about taking out Murray. It will be a good example for the whole west coast. I hope Didier can get the nomination, but he needs to learn how to speak to a city, before he can gather enough votes. He has a lot stronger back than Rossi.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        he replaced Ted Kennedy, in Massachusetts by running against ObamaCare and KSM trials in NY; and he is, and has been, very useful moral voice at times against Obama.

        more later

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I have no problem with him at all. I have no problem with the few moderate Republicans we might get elected in very liberal areas, except to say that we ought NEVER give them any sort of positions of power within the party.

    I have much more of a problem with a squishy big government Rino from a conservative area, like for instance Lindsey Graham. Those are the guys who kill us, They stab us in the back over and over again.

  • SteveLA

    Does Scott Brown represent and reflect the voters of Mass well, at least the ones that aren’t bat s*** crazy liberals? To me that’s the real question.

    My view, the answer is yes, no matter how much Eeyore Republicans who don’t get the point that not everyone everywhere is as conservative as they and their region of the country might be. Someone I agree with better than some high percent of the time is way better than someone I disagree with just about all the time.

  • independentvoteril

    I too helped out in the Scott Brown campaign.. as far as I can see he like the rest are just another Obama yes man.. I am totally disappointed in him, I am conservative yes but I was a total Democrat until 2006 who went INDEPENDENT.. not a hard core right person by any means and Scott Brown is shameful it’s like the Kennedy’s are still in office..

  • C. Marie

    because he was slow to speak up and contrarian.
    I do not begrudge the lion’s tail state voters, nor the candidate
    they chose. The voters knew their moderate flavor and Mr. Brown fit it.
    As a political person I need to know my core flavor and choose well
    the candidates that best fits my core flavor so as to be wise as I communicate for her or him.
    No, they will not be perfect, but neither am I.

  • gafisher

    As has been said, Scott Brown isn’t Teddy Kennedy, who voted liberal all the time. He’s not Martha Coakley, who would have voted liberal every time. Scott Brown might support some, even many liberal views, but his record is not one of doing so blindly and mechanically. True, he’s also not Ronald Reagan, nor is he the mythical quintessential conservative against whom we measure even Reagan himself, but let’s not lose sight of the fact that, though the Brown victory didn’t mean conservatism won the war, it most certainly means we won a major, perhaps pivotal, battle.

    “Le mieux est l’ennemi du bien.”

  • JSobieski

    Brown’s campaign was as far as I could tell, about the following:
    (1) Don’t be a mindless robot and vote for the Dem, make politicians earn your vote
    (2) Vote for me, and I will stop Obamacare
    (3) I am a supply-sider, just like JFK.

    Elected politicians need to be true to their states/districts, but they also need to be true to their campaign promises/themes. I think (3) is somewhat infringed by the financial reform vote, but it wasn’t a direct hit.

  • redware

    that cannot be trusted to advance a conservative agenda because-either he is unprincipled,ie does not have an underlying philosophy upon which to base his political decisions,or is totally dependent on non-conservatives to secure reelection and stay in power.Power does corrupt! I for one was thrilled at his election only because I thought we could stop Obamacare.Well we know that didn’t work.So now I just hold him in the same contempt as McCain,Graham,Snowe,Collins et al.When will we learn these creeps cannot be trusted,are not our friends,and certainly do not deserve to be propped up in any way by the “but they’re better than” crowd.We get that they are,but shouldn’t have to hear it.What we should hear is a consistent call for their heads.I am always amazed when people who call rhemseves conservatives come on this site and feel compelled to praise these fools every time they tack right,conveniently failing to bring up their egregious attempts to sabatoge the conservative agenda on critical issues.John McCamnesty does not deserve our praise and I don’t care how bad a candidate JD Hayworth is-conservatives should not be tricked by this fraudulent POS.Give me a Hayworth in the Senate anyday over a Scott Brown or a John McCain.

  • From ME to You

    no…wait a minute…I guess it depends what kind of flame! I am NOT advocating setting any liberal aflame just firing them , as in “here are you walking papers, ther’s the door” type of firing!

    Seriously though, as Mainer, the fact that we can get ANYBODY with an R after their name is a major miracle!

    If you would check out the Maine Senators’ opponents you would find that at least with Senators Snowe and Collins you get them to vote with you 50-60 percent of the time.

    Had any of their opponents been elected every liberal wet-dream legislation would have been a slam dunk!

  • mbecker908

    You want JD? You can get him really cheap in about five weeks. He’ll be available for any of those “jobs we thought Americans wouldn’t do” because he will get crushed in the AZ primary.

    I don’t like McCain at all and either Shadegg or Flake might have beaten him. JD and his campaign are an institutional joke here. The guy got tossed from CD05 because the voters have a visceral, personal dislike for the guy.

    I’m not fond of Scott Brown’s vote, but you’re not getting anybody any more “conservative” than him in MA. Face it, the only reason he got elected was because his opponent acted like the seat belonged to the Ds and would just be passed down. If she’d have run a campaign she’d have won.

    As far as Collins and Snowe go, please name me a conservative candidate in Maine that we can run against either of them in a primary. Same for Graham. Name one.

    Your opinion of JD is about as irrelevant as the fact that you probably wouldn’t like the weather in Phoenix today, gonna be a cold wave – only 109. Your opinion doesn’t matter and the main reason is that JD has spent the last 16 years focused on making a jerk of himself in public and he’s been very successful. After he got tossed by the voters he tried his hand at talk radio and his show in Phoenix was, at best, marginal. It was so marginal he couldn’t even interest anyone in syndicating it – and he’s got big national name recognition with that target audience. He’s done, get over it and move on.

    If you want to do something positive, try to find a conservative candidate where you live who can be groomed to take out a Democrat.

  • SteveLA

    mbecker

    I’m hoping you give us at least a little blow by blow on today’s debate between Johnny Mac and JD what’s his name.

    Maybe JD will take time out of the debate to Pimp his “Free Government Money” scam.

  • redware

    is as relevant as any of yours.Your dismissive and often berating comments replete with namecalling(just go back to all your posts and count them) are not conducive to the free exchange of ideas we should be encouraging.My point still stands-we can either make excuses and prop them up or attack them for the unprincipled frauds they are.I’ll still take Hayworth,cheap or for free for that matter.As for grooming somebody here in South Carolina-wer’e trying-and the target will be Lindsey Graham.

  • mbecker908

    in today’s local news. You can watch the videos on the Channel 3 website and the closest to “commentary” would be reprints of the AP article.

    JD and McCain just pissed in the general direction of each other and nobody really got wet. There are a couple of local blogs with no traffic who are touting how JD crushed McCain. He didn’t lay a glove on him (and McCain didn’t do any damage either) and he really needed to generate BIG headlines about how he crushed McCain.

    Part 2 is tonight. Nobody will watch it either. I doubt it will generate any ink tomorrow.

    The only thing I’m really interested in is the ratings. I can’t believe anybody watched.

  • tngal

    in a diary . Seems that most of the pundits I’ve read today aren’t from Arizona so they won’t be voting. Those posting opinions in the various papers weren’t necessarily talking about how the debate went rather they had their minds made up already and used the opportunity to bash one of the other candidates.

  • mbecker908

    Non-event.

  • mbecker908

    you mouth off about crap you know absolutely nothing about. I don’t. I’ve never berated South Carolina voters for electing Graham and I’ve never bothered to waste bandwidth on clap-trap about him when he had a primary opponent who had no freaking chance.

    Nobody is “propping anybody up”or “encouraging them”. I’m just pointing out the reality of this primary. And over the last seven months or so I’ve cited the political history of both candidates, the demographics of the state, the various interest groups that Hayworth would have to win and why he can’t. I’ve also noted the differences in available campaign funds (which happen to be a big factor right now), and the impact of the various endorsements both candidates have. I’ve also made no bones about the fact that I don’t like McCain personally, I don’t like his voting record and I don’t like his policy preferences pretty much across the board. This election, unfortunately, isn’t about McCain, it’s about Hayworth and there’s been nothing done to change that and there will be nothing done in the next five weeks.

    You are nothing but a pathetic whiner. You want to waste words on McCain when he’s going to win in a walk – and absolutely nobody has presented even one scenario that shows that JD might win, let alone “can” win – and you try to toss off your uninformed opinions as facts or some sort of tactical genius. Your “point” is nothing but mental masturbation. Get over it.

    If you really wanted to make “a point” you might go back and challenge any of my facts or assumptions that I’ve repeatedly used to conclude that McCain would trounce JD. It would be refreshing, nobody else has even tried. The closest anybody has come is to assume that a whole bunch of potential McCain voters will stay home and energized JD voters will show up. We’ll see about that.

    And you can have Hayworth. You may even get him. He used to be a weatherman on a TV station in SC (so said Gamecock) and when he gets done embarrassing himself in this primary that may the only job available to him. See if you can talk him into running against Graham. Of course you’ll probably have to pay off his left over debt from this campaign to do that.

  • redware
  • C. Marie

    please! (or is their a gentlewoman in the boxing ring?)
    I believe one corner is in the painted desert and the other is on the white sands of the Atlantic beach. In the Arizona race I have no fires in either camp. But I do think that the Senator will still be Senator when the dust settles.

  • mbecker908

    And you are incapable of constructing an argument based on facts, history and stated assumptions.

    Ergo, you are left being a pathetic whiner.

  • mbecker908

    This idiot runs around shooting his ignorant mouth off and it’s a slow Saturday.

  • redware

    to hijack your diary with personal bickering.