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The Permanent Campaign Gets Creepy

Where is the outrage from our liberal friends?

Imagine that the President of the United States is sending personal representatives to the homes of private citizens and asking them to sign a “pledge of support” for his Administration’s policies.  Imagine that those representatives are asking citizens for their names and e-mail addresses so that the “post-election” organization set up by the president can follow up with them; perhaps taking the addresses of those who refuse to sign. Imagine what the reaction of the online left would be to such activity.  Cries of “Fascism!” “Police state!” and “Voter intimidation!” would ring out from the online left in opposition to the Republican Administration’s tactic.

Now imagine that the president doing this is not a Republican, but is President Barack Obama.

President Obama’s appearance on “The Tonight Show”…was only a small part of the president’s so-called permanent campaign. A bigger move comes Saturday, when Obama will ask 13 million people on his campaign e-mail list to go door-to-door to raise support for his agenda.

The Pledge Project Canvass is an unprecedented effort by a president to reach beyond Congress and tap grassroots supporters for help. Volunteers recruited online by Obama’s Organizing for America, a post-election group, will ask citizens to sign a pledge in support of the president’s policies on energy, health care and education.

Those who pledge will be asked for their e-mail addresses so the Obama-ites can keep in touch.

“This is just the beginning for us,” said Jeremy Bird, deputy national director of Organizing for America, in an online video to Obama supporters this week.

During the 2004 campaign, attendees at Bush/Cheney events were asked to sign a form endorsing President Bush for reelection.  The forms were an attempt by the Republican Party to keep Democratic operatives from infiltrating campaign events and disrupting the campaign’s message.  Democrats and the Kerry/Edwards campaign derided Republicans for requiring the forms, saying that it was an effort to shield the president from difficult questions.

But the Bush/Cheney election campaign’s actions were positively mild compared to this effort by the sitting Obama Administration.  Privacy advocates should be screaming from the rafters about the prospect of a quasi-official representative of the government asking citizens to sign a pledge of support.  Voting rights groups should be fretting about government intimidation of the electorate.  But no.  Instead, we get election experts marveling at the community organizing skills of the new Big Brother president.

“What Obama is doing is a very new approach,” said Lawrence Jacobs, director of the Center for the Study of Politics and Governance at the University of Minnesota.

That approach began during the campaign, when Obama tapped into an array of social networking tools on sites such as Facebook and Twitter to rally voters and raise funds. This weekend’s effort is the next logical step, Bird said in an interview.

“This is taking that online social networking and moving it to offline social networking,” he said.

And where are our friends in the left blogosphere on this?  Surely, they did not approve of President Bush’s endorsement entry requirement from 2004.  Do they now align themselves with the idea of a sitting administration asking citizens to pledge their loyalty to one man’s policies?  Do they approve of jack-booted, clipboard-wielding, presidentially-authorized canvassers fanning out across the country collecting signatures and taking names?  Markos?  Josh?  Arianna?  Anybody?

The linked article tries to compare President Obama’s efforts to those of other presidents to drum up support for their initiatives.  Those efforts have all involved the president himself embarking on a publicity tour.  Obama has done that, too.  But no president has ever launched a signature pledge drive utilizing an army of volunteers tied to his official campaign organization outside of a reelection campaign.

However shrewd and revolutionary it may be from an organizing standpoint, the government is not, and ought not be a community organizing group. It’s creepy.  Campainging is what Obama does best, however.  We are likely to see many more pledge drives like this one, and equally likely to hear absolutely nothing about it from the media and the left.

Cross posted at Mark on the Right.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    No Solicitation Of Any Kind For Any Reason……. Especially Political.

    Please don’t pay any unneeded attention to the security and surveillance system…… Beware of the homeowner.

    Have A Nice Day. :)

  • johnCV

    It’s all warm and cudly till someone gets hurt…

    Bet they’re collecting signatures.

    • $peciallist

      “Because of Obama…I ate all the jelly doughnuts”

      i could go on…

      • redneck_hippie
        • janis

          They’re still a**holes.

        • $peciallist

          lol

          • redneck_hippie

            I went blind…get it?

          • janis

            .

          • redneck_hippie

            Because of Obama I need to buy a TelePrompTer, too!!!!

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            teleprompter (see trillions)

          • redneck_hippie

            of gaffe is. But yeah, we must not mistake the Master of the Universe for a buffoon. He will destsroy all that we hold most dear. I won’t forget that.

          • janis

            Bailouts for boots!

          • $peciallist

            how about some Thanks-for-nothins…

            Thin Federal Mints…

            Lyin Charlet Cremes…

            Slimoas…

            Tinfoils?…uggg

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
        • Mike gamecock DeVine
        • AKSteveB
          • janis

            same effect on a multitude of people. Who would have ever thought that he was similar to W? “You’re either with us or against us.”

            So firmly against. Eternally.

          • redneck_hippie

            That would make a fine protest sign.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • pilgrim

            “The bureaucrats at City Hall and in the Office of Economic Opportunity…sat back and waited for you to come rolling in with your certified angry militants, your guaranteed frustrated ghetto youth, looking like a bunch of wild men. Then you had your test confrontation. If you were outrageous enough, if you could shake up the bureaucrats so bad that their eyes froze into iceballs and their mouths twisted up into smiles of sheer physical panic, into shit-eating grins, so to speak–then they knew you were the real goods. They knew you were the right studs to give the poverty grants and community organizing jobs to.”

            from the Tom Wolfe’s 1970 essay “Mau-mauing the Flak Catchers”

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            so many of our elected and un-elected are so damn nice and unwilling to call out the immoral dem libs for what they are?

          • AKSteveB

            Once you find out the people you thought were “extreme” were right all along, a lot of other things fall into place. To be fair, my instincts have always been pretty conservative, but I had a lot of trouble with what I saw as a basic lack of competence on Pres. Bush’s end, and a very broken Republican party here in Alaska.

            The bottom line is that this is a two party system. This is also a two society country. Obama/Congress have made clear that they represent one of those societies, the one I see as looters and parasites. the Republicans, imperfect as they/we are represent the society that I belong to and wish to maintain. That fence I was sitting on was a Maginot Line.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • redneck_hippie

            And it is true, the battle lines are getting clearer each day the Ds remain in power. Fence sitting is becoming a luxury the American people can no longer afford. Literally.

          • janis

            I have two in-laws who voted for this guy. Haven’t discussed it with them since the election, but I’m willing to bet they are regretting that vote with all they are worth–which grows less by the day.

          • olsmithie

            because he said his finances always did better under Demoncratic administrations…

            Haven’t heard much from him lately..

            Regards

          • JadedByPolitics

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            but I did tell all here during the Bush years that the Dems were exponentially worse and I think I have been vindicated in 60 days

            two numbers

            Bush’s worst deficit $400B
            Obama’s this year $1,8T

          • AKSteveB

            of the VIetnam Era social revolution, but I always wondered why the adults back then didn’t simply take charge. What I’ve come to realize is that question was way too simplistic. Even a smart person can have it come together all around him without actually noticing the big picture.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            and Robert Bork’s

            The Tempting of America
            and
            Slouching Towards Gomorrah

          • Achance

            In the mid-Sixties, 40% of the Country’s population was 19 or under. Americans had purchasing power and affluence never before even contemplated. Frankly, the “adults” were simply overwhelmed by the demographic tsunami.

            The Sixties weren’t nearly as wild as they are portrayed. None of the acid rock or political bands ever dominated the charts. The Billboard #1 song of ’65 was Barry Sadler’s “Ballad of the Green Berets.” The Beatles and Stones had some hits once they moved to more political themes but by the late Sixties their heyday was behind them. Only the hardcore listed to the hard core or went to the demostrations or burnt draft cards or any of that stuff; its just that even a very small percentage of such a large group is still a very large group. Most of the children of the sixties finished high school or college, got married, got a job, had kids and tried to make it in the world of 20% mortgages and 10% inflation; the Seventies and early Eighties were hard on both marriages and attitudes.

            The overwhelming cultural changes came after the Sixties and only somewhat because of them. The draft kept a lot of people in college and got lots of people degrees they shouldn’t have and wouldn’t have gotten under other circumstances. A lot of those people who stayed in school to dodge the draft and got those PhDs were dedicated Lefties and they’ve become moreso in the ensuing years, they just dress better and can talk longer without dropping an F-bomb. There were enough of them to fundamentally change the educational system and academic culture, the results of which you are now seeing in Obamunism.

          • janis

            assume that all Boomers were hippies, doing drugs, protesting the Vietnam war, and copulating like minks instead of going to school, looking for a job and getting married. Many of us, probably the majority, looked upon the protests as something that other people did and were ashamed to have our soldiers treated as baby-killers.

            While many of us participated to one degree or another in the drug culture, most who did so left that behind to work, marry, have kids, and just grow up. To blame that generation wholesale for every single bad thing that is happening now is ridiculous. For most of us who grew up then, we knew an America that was much more free than it is today, and political correctness was just a distant malignancy on the horizon. We were allowed to take all kinds of chances growing up, from tree-climbing, to having BB guns, to bike-riding without a helmet, to running all over the neighborhood or countryside with siblings or friends. If you deserved an F on something at school, you got one. When you made an A, you knew that you had earned it. Self-esteem was earned by working for it.

            So for that generation, I will speak for them here:

            We are sickened beyond belief by what is happening to our country. And we are willing with everything we have and are to fight to stop this destruction of everything we hold dear. And you can be assured that it will be Boomers who are more than prepared to do exactly that—put it all on the line and bleed if that’s what it takes to save this land.

          • redneck_hippie

            I never revolted against the government in the 60′s either. I had no reason to revolt against even my parents, really. Their values guided me then and they still guide me now. Don’t lie, cheat or steal and love thy neighbor. Those who were deep into the counter-culture then are not much different from the kook fringe of today, only their slogans have changed.

          • janis

            parents, but it was fairly mild all things considered. Throughout the 70′s and 80′s, I argued with them about the Republican party and, at least on the surface, held to liberal beliefs. Having a child and seeing him grow up in the Clinton years changed a lot of my fuzzy-headed thinking, probably because it was theoretical previously, but now I could see how morally bankrupt and unlivable those “beliefs” actually were when confronted by reality.

            As I have said here before, September 11, 2001 finished the job and, like AKSteveB said last night, I completely fell off the fence and never looked back. Once that happens, everything else falls into place and life becomes so much easier.

            Now my parents can’t believe how involved in politics I have become and how ardent a conservative I am. Funny, that.

          • Achance

            no imagination these children.

            I sorta went back and forth; too freak to be a Greek, too Greek to really be a freak. But I was a musician and had a bit of a taste for “recreational substances” and that like a mink thing janis was talking about. Never was much into the politics. Didn’t want to go to Vietnam, but not so much that I did anything to keep from going other than stay in school.

            Unless you went through it, you don’t know what small town draft boards were like; my hair was just long enough that every time I went home somebody would see me and the Board would reclassify me 1-A and I’d have to go through the drill to get my 2-S back. That’ll give you an attitude! But, nevertheless, I was still way to much the “Country Boy” with all that entailed to get into what was essentially an urban culture of the counter-culture. Anyway, I just stopped going home and when I wasn’t in school, I was in Atlanta or NO or down in FL making music; there’ll forever be a place in my heart for FSU coeds! Anyway, I hated school and when the lottery came along and I had a high number, I quit. By that time I was married (Georgia coed, not FSU), soon had a kid, and all that stuff just faded to gray.

          • janis

            remark. ~~Smile~~ But I also figured that you would pretty much agree with me about the rest of it. Being raised in Nashville during the 50′s and 60′s was not too much different than being raised in a small town in the South of that time. I have memories of farmers bringing their produce to town to sell on wagons pulled by horses or mules back in the late 50′s in Nashville.

            It is such a shame that my son, and now his children, never knew the joy of running around on a dusky summer evening with a crowd of other neighborhood kids, catching lightening bugs, playing Red Rover and Hide and Seek with not a single parent worried about where we were or what we were doing.

          • Achance

            When school was out I left after breakfast, maybe came home for dinner and supper and came in at dark or later. Nobody worried about us and if anybody was armed, and we usually were, it was for snakes and for hunting squrrils or rabbits or birds. Bicycles through the woods, later motorcycles, and old cars and trucks. When we got older, if the cops caught us with beer or with some girl we shouldn’t have been with, the most that happened is you got told to go home and they took your beer or gave you the “you know what her daddy would do to you” lecture.

            My daughter was raised mostly as an urban creature in ATL and Anchorage but we still got out in the woods a lot. We both worked so she was a latchstring kid and if she was supposed to be home by 3:30, if she hadn’t called by 3:40, I took off and was headed home. That’s one thing I really liked about Juneau, you didn’t have to worry about her safety here other than the things you worry about with any teenaged girl. When you have a boy, you worry about one boy in the neighborhood, when you have a girl, you worry about ALL boys in the neighborhood.

            Now, my step kids are another story; you couldn’t get them out of the house with a cattle prod! They all had to have 21 speed mountain bikes but the only time any of them ever saw dirt was for a couple of years there was about a three foot dirt gap between the end of my paved driveway and the paved road. Hated camping, hated going out on the boat – no TV. Now that they’re older they like the boat, especially if I’m buying the gas.

          • AKSteveB

            and yes like all of you, I had a lot more freedom than my daughter. We went to school, hung with our friends, definitely drank and partied our share in HS, didn’t have our lives organized by adults and were generally “good kids.”

            The thing for me was the realization from the first time my parents started taking me on trips to the rest of the country (and for those who don’t know ..even upstate New York is a VERY different world from the NYC area), I knew I wanted out. Even at that time I knew I was meant to be in a less urban place. My teenage rebellion if you want to call it that was to want to be on my own as young as I could and not just follow the “Nice Jewish Boy from the burbs” path of “go to a good college, then move on to become a doctor or a lawyer.” Politically I was Alex B. Keaton. I hated the Sing Kumbaya Orthodoxy even back then. My first activism was as a Student Govt. member at SUNY Stony Brook working to remove the forced “activity fee” payments to NYPIRG, the Ralph Nader PIRG there. We lost btw.

            When I got married, it was with the condition that we be out of the NYC area within 3 years. When that time I came I told my wife I was going with her or without her. She eventually showed up :)

          • redneck_hippie

            too, I guess. I was a Kansas transplant to the Chicago suburbs in ’60. That was enough of a culture shock to keep me from needing any more. Married one year out of high school and never took any interest in politics until ’92. Had Perot signs all over my car–the same car I drive today. Didn’t glue them on, so I guess it’s still safe for me to drive in Missouri (see Blue Collar Muse’s Diary of today).

            No mink habits and only one joint which my hippie brother-in-law talked me into. Not that I didn’t have plenty of opportunity for both, heh heh.

    • pitchfork

      and I thought I already had enough idiots knocking on my door

  • 10ksnooker

    It’s OK, didn’t you know that?

    It’s common knowledge you cannot be rational and liberal at the same time.

  • Crowe

    Campaigning isn’t what I thought of here, but the only job he held for any length of time, that of Community Organizer. Rabble Rouser.

    Perhaps if those who don’t wish to be visited and solicited put lambs blood on the posts and lintel of our front door, the organizers will pass us by.

    The other thing that’s shocking here is that he’s also bypassing the media with this effort. When Reagan (you know, the Great Communicator, as opposed to the Great TelePrompTer Reader) wanted to get directly to the people he would speak to us via the media, and do so in an eloquent manner that the media couldn’t distort. Granted, the media situation was different then–the bias was there, but so was greater respect and comity; and there were far fewer outlets without 24-hour news stations and the internet. Obama supposedly is the media’s golden child, ready to carry the water and do his bidding at a moment’s notice. Why bypass them? Could it be that he doesn’t trust they’ll stay on his side when what he’ll really need are lemmings loyal to him personally? Media types, for all their sycophancy are more likely to be somewhat intelligent, free-thinking types and less likely to be simple followers–even when they’re doing their best impression of lemmings. Does he expect that as he continues running this country into the ground he’ll not be able to rely on the media to carry that water, but rather to dump it over his head? So he’ll need the mindless hoards who follow him just because he’s him

    Should be an interesting next few years…

  • securitymom

    nt

  • dittohead1

    …..but this is getting ridiculous. Don’t liberals do anything but circumvent SOP? There is no doubt in my mind that this is already backfiring on the social/democrats. College educated fools, following an affirmitive action pushed along fool. It figures.

  • PanMetron

    As one who left the Democratic Party partly over the heavy-handed and often intimidating behavior of Obama zealots in the primaries last year (both on the blogs and in the causes), this doesn’t surprise me at all. Castro has maintained a grip on Cuba for decades by having agents of the government essentially spying on every block. That isn’t “grassroots” politics. It’s left-wing fascism. Or, if you prefer, Chicago Deep-Dish Politics.

  • DerKrieger

    The result of some Obama drone knocking on my door.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    This looks like an effort to create a political movement with Barack as supreme leader that will be independent of the existing Democratic and Republicans parties – a movement solely designed to execute the President’s policies by people whose devotion is primarily to him, not to our system of government.

    This is cult of personality endeavor that America has never before encountered by a sitting President, the kind of movement that, like Hugo Chavez, Barack can use to bypass and intimidate opposition by claiming a base of popular support to go over the heads of political opponents and to stir up popular agitation to bring politicians into line.

    It gets even more scary if this gets integrated into a civlian defense force of volunteer forces – especially once you assemble lists of signers and non-signers, where the non-signers will be persumed enemies of the state.

    We see the model with Hugo Chavez – and we’ve seen it in past dictatorships that emerged via an electoral process rather than military coup.

    • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

      …or when the Obama organizers start implanting microchips in the foreheads or wrists of their pledged supporters. We know in advance how that scenario will play out…

      • mikefisk

        …for quite some time now, and even I am a bit surprised at the fact that Obama, once elected, is doing further action to invite those comparisons.

        What’s next, a “Hello President” TV show three hours a week on every channel?

        • janis

          Given that this man makes sure that he is front and center on almost a daily basis in one venue or another, he is surely angling for the kind of visibility that any other populist dictator manages. Wonder if he’ll end up having to get a set of Obama-doubles as Saddam did? Does anyone know if Chavez is doing that?

          And I had to giggle at the name of the show he might have–if Thomas Crown was still here, the name of the show would end up being “Hello Kitty”.

  • spedteacher

    We know the truth, and we won’t put up with this kind of crap for much longer. As a woman who in the past had relationship with an abusive man and then finally said, “go to he]]”, true Americans will also turn their backs on this government. No amount of abuse and intimidation by this administration will keep us in this “abusive relationship”. Kick the dog too many times, eventually the dog bites back, or something like that. But that is the truth. We will not succumb to blackmail, intimidation, or abuse without putting up a fight. As I said, true Americans have guts, and the other side will be surprised when we come out and show it. Reminds me of Tolkein’s Return of the King, when the Hobbits returned to the Shire and straightened things out with Saruman’s goons. Yes, a few were killed, but they got the message across. We all should read up on the Scouring of the Shire. This may be our “handbook”, as Alinsky is to the fruitcake in the oval office. Oh, and fruitcake needs to be washed down with plenty of TEA or one gags in the throat. So there!

    • zsmvf6

      and I was VERY disappointed that it didn’t make it into the movie.

      • spedteacher

        This chapter would have made a whole movie on its own. Perhaps one day it will. There would have been no way to include it into the Return of the King. The content was too large. My personal opinion.
        But, can’t you just see it: Sharkey and his goons are the president and his goons. The Hobbits are the Republicans – Conservatives who have come back only to see their country being trashed, and thus decide to take it back their way.
        We can do it. We are becoming one in our thinking, good thinking. The story of the Hundredth Monkey also comes to mind.
        The behavior of President Sharkey and his goons cannot go on for long before people of character and loyalty finally say “enough” and begin to form battle lines.

  • http://www.rollovermartin.com Lee Hempfling

    Card check in place already. How about that. But they are looking for the political party card…. not the union card…

    Compliance.

    Somebody please put a stop to this insanity before the country ceases to be the “United” states………………..

  • http://fairfaxgardener.blogspot.com ddstrain

    A “civilian defense force” as strong as the military…learning my Horst Wessel Song translation now [with the latest Obamunist revisions shown in brackets].

    Flag high! Ranks closed tight!
    The stormtroopers march with bold, firm step.
    Comrades shot by [Reps] and Reactionaries
    March in spirit within our ranks.
    Clear the streets for the brown battalions.
    Clear the streets for the stormtroop men!
    Millions already look hopefully up to the [Obama].
    The day is breaking for freedom and bread!
    For the last time now the call is sounded!
    Already we stand all ready to fight!
    Soon the [alt energy] banners will flutter over the barricades.
    Our bondage won’t last much longer!
    Flag high! Ranks closed tight!
    The stormtroopers march with calm, firm step.
    Comrades shot by [Reps] and Reactionaries
    March in spirit within our ranks.

    In all seriousness, although I don’t necessarily expect the Obama SA, I am expecting something akin to the Stasi and the informant networks.

    And the liberals will fall into line, marching to the drumbeat of the Chosen One, abrogating every ounce of freedom they have…all in the name of “fairness” and the spirit of lowest common denominator class warfare.

    “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”, – Alexis de Tocqueville

  • Old_Crow

    Continuing to enforce the habits from the campaign outreach efforts., keeps the volunteers engaged, keeps them from questioning too much and drifting away. Do not underestimate the power of this tactic – all successful socialist regimes use it.

    • Praying

      that’s why it scares the stuffing (OK, I was going to use another word there, but decided to be polite…) out of me…

    • redneck_hippie

      it is intended to distract (yes, I said the D word) the Obamunists from the facts on the ground. If they are canvassing out on the streets they are less likely to have the time to learn what the policies of their betters in DC will actually mean to their lives.

      In effect since nothing is going to change for them except higher unemployment, it is better to keep them happy doing busy work for their master.

      • redneck_hippie

        gives me pause. Guess depends on your definition of successful, socialist and regimes.

        • Mike gamecock DeVine

          fact of life

          • redneck_hippie

            if you will. The diff between the Ds and Rs on this is that Republicans mostly are generous with the gift of freedom to other nations.

            Ds not so much.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            for the Civil Rights Act/Voting Rights Act, and even that was passed with more GOP% support.

            seriously, I can’t think of one issue they have been right on sicne 1965

          • redneck_hippie

            for doing only one thing that I actually agreed with, which was the wilderness area he set aside. Ergo the hippie part of my name. The rest of his centrist acts were the result of the Gingrich congress & contract with America.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            His first budget. Read Woodward’s “The Agenda”.

            more later

          • Old_Crow

            lasting more that a few years. What Obama is doing is right out of socialist doctrine. Clinically, it results in mild form of brainwashing as the minds of his followers continue to ‘invest’ more efforts through outreach supporting him. They become blind to honest opposition and intelligent discussion of other viewpoints.

            Socialism, a an base for government is fatal over time. However, thugs can keep it on life support for quite some time given the right circumstances.

          • redneck_hippie

            habits made me tweak you on it. Commented mostly for our resident lurkers lest they mistake us for having Euroenvy. The One and his serfs have envy enough as it is.

            Here’s an uplifting thought. The lefties are waging class war on all of America. How can they win when their supreme master is absolutely classless?

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            suddenly realize that Obama is waging war on

            their Dads.

          • pitchfork

            The youth always have thrived off of chaos. Why bother?

  • Martin Knight

    … and completely mess up their lists.

    But otherwise, while I agree that this is creepy, and arguably violative of the concept of the secret ballot, it *is* canvassing.

    Rather than complaining about what Obama and his acolytes are doing, let’s get started with our own.

  • Tbone

    Turns out he is a Jehova Witness.

    • Mike gamecock DeVine

      much of a Christian either, and given his snub of Britain and answer to question #2 at first presser when he blamed America for Iran’s evil since 1979, it appears that his church’s veneration of Farrakhan was quite instructive.

    • janis

      a few years back. The dog population on the farm here had reached 5 and they all take great pleasure in greeting every single vehicle that comes down the driveway to the house. We live a tenth of a mile off the road, so we know when someone is coming out for a pretty good while before they get here.

      Can’t wait for either the ACORN census workers to show up or these clowns either. Betcha it doesn’t take but one trip with my canine friends to welcome them and they won’t be back. Applies to a majority of the county I live in and the counties on either side. Very rural and very well armed. Don’t like strangers much as a rule, particularly nosy liberal ones.

      • redneck_hippie

        were stalking the neighborhood and we called our friends kitty-cornered across the street. He met them at the door with his shotgun in hand – it was hilarious how fast they departed back down the hill!

        Note: the local JW hall is less than a mile from our street.

        • janis

          20 years ago, just after moving here, the JW’s came out and I made the mistake of sitting on the porch and talking to them for 2 hours. Very bad mistake. They took that to indicate that I was fertile ground and just itching to join up if only they could just spend a little more time with me to seal the deal. So they kept showing up (only one dog then). Finally got tired of being politely evasive and when the leader, a male, asked me what my husband believed in, I blurted out” Moonshine whiskey and cheap blonds.”

          Never saw that particular van load of them again.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            similar theme re trolls…

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            avoidance techniques as well.

            I feel bad about it.

          • janis

            to your ideas, they only want to hear what you have to say so that they can turn it to their advantage. Finding the crack in your logic so they can exploit it. Like I said, I went two hours the first time, giving and taking opinion, anecdotes, knowledge of the Bible. You want to donate your time to employ your dazzling legal wordsmithery, go right ahead. Report back to redneck hippie and I and I’m sure we’ll both be happy to applaud your success at converting them.

            On the other hand, just remember that if YOU convert, they don’t approve of drinking. Just so you know…..

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            I suspect that we would complete each other.

            NO more later!!!

            take it for what its worth and wonder about it till 2013

          • janis

            And you better never invite becker over for supper without telling me first, because I’m NOT going to referee you two! ;-)

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            would be confined within walls!

            And I am confident, that with enough caveats, I would win the Bush argument!

          • mbecker908

            But I am a realist. And since you’ve already been thoroughly pounded on the Bush discussion, the only way you could win is with significant caveats that I’d likely never agree to.

            Would I rather have GWB than BO? You bet. Hell, I’d rather have Nixon or Ford than BO. And don’t forget, we have BO because of GWB and his steadfast refusal to exercise even the slightest bit of leadership in the last five years of his Presidency.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            Does the recent consensus in the media that we have won the Iraq War move you at all? Not to mention the fact on the ground that Iraq is an ally against al Qaida no matter what pols say?

            Certainly my mood this week and my next blog is one of pessimism, but I guess what defines me is that if everyone had given into pessimism in the past, there would have been no USA and no Lawyer DeVine!

            Realism/Pessimism rhetoric seems to me to usually lead to discouraging those that are required to make things better.

          • janis

            Gamecock and I are hosting a lovely sit down dinner for 12 featuring him, me, you, and 9 Jehovah’s Witnesses. I understand 6 of them love W and the other three went for Obama. Should be an invigorating evening.

            Bring a cup.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • janis

            no text

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            e-mail me

          • janis

            email address? Wasn’t in your profile.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            @yahoo.com

          • janis

            n/t

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            mikedevinelaw@yahoo.com

          • janis

            you get this one. (I so wish I had other options for internet service other than the local one that holds us all hostage. :-) )

          • mbecker908

            Actually, getting JW’s to leave is pretty easy. You don’t even need a shotgun. You simply walk out on the porch with them, grab their hands firmly and say, “You know, before you come in to my home we need to pray.” They will run like scalded cats.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • janis

            Although we haven’t seen any of them for quite some time in this neighborhood. I really would to sit down in person with you, gamecock, and Achance and just throw topics out there for discussion.

            Goodness, wouldn’t that be one for the books? Or, perhaps, as the line goes, “Goodness had nuthin’ to do with it.”

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • redneck_hippie

            their prosyletizing per se, it’s just that we live so close by that every time they get a new crop of converts, the first place they go is right through our neighborhood. After living here 30 years it gets somewhat annoying, ya know?

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            when I prepared for their visits and ended up dominating the conversations so much that they initiated their exits!

          • redneck_hippie

            at the Hall with a picture of my home and a big black line through it signifying, don’t waste your breath!

            Maybe I should make a plaque for the lintel quoting Wittgenstein, or something.

  • 1stRichard

    Suggestion

    1. Make our own counter pledge, I have see some doing that now

    2. In public, make a large sign ?Socialist?, with an arrow pointing down and stand behind them, follow them?

    3. Distribute our own flyers, I see we have some talented writers here. When they show up at your door hand them one back.

    Please knock on my door

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/pledgeproject

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/pledgeprojectcanvassguide/

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_knock_on_the_door.html

    http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-see-gathering-storm.html

    • pitchfork

      he is a huge beast with a mean disposition, but generally has better sense and a better coat of hair on his than his namesake

      • 1stRichard

        Lol, I am a huge beast my self, I was thinking greeting them with bloody machete in hand but I would have to clean the mess that drops from their pants?.

  • publiussteve

    Tell them before you will consider signing anything, they have to take a brief civics quiz:

    1) name the three branches of government

    2) how much did AIG contribute to Obama’s campaign?

    3) what’s the importance of the Buckley v. Valeo SC decision?

    Videotape and post on YouTube, Malkin, RedState etc.

    • redneck_hippie

      because I don’t remember the answer.

      Probably how many years have the democrats been in control of both houses of Congress and name the two houses of congress and each of their leaders.

  • Tbone

    See how all this stuff fits together?

    • pitchfork

      thanks to the granola shooters who eduma-nutured them in High School

    • janis

      to make sure it’s not sucking up too much energy and, while they’re at it, they can just collect your guns and ammo. Long as they’re in the ‘hood and all, no use wasting more gas later.

      “Facism–we bring good things to life!”

      • Tbone

        Center Mass

        • Lammo

          :-)

  • Tbone

    evidently when Obama said “I won”, it was a question.

    • redneck_hippie

      that he was elected as a novelty, something cool to do? That his election did not give him a mandate and that most do not agree with his plans?

      • janis

        I think he believes down to his bones that he is just as cool as all his drones believe he is. He must be shocked to be getting some of the articles he is facing now, including the one that Paul Krugman just wrote about Geithner and his abysmal plan for the bank recovery.

        Poor Timmy. He shoulda paid his taxes years ago, then Obama wouldn’t have him right where he wants him–the sacrificial goat.

      • Mike gamecock DeVine

        his media sychophants that he can acheive fundamental changes in the law if he strikes now, while the popularity iron is hot and my conclusion is that he has and will get more unless the blue dogs unite and quick.

        And that the odds of reversing same are slim given the numbers, esp in the senate, within the next 6-8 years.

        I fear for my country as never before.

        This week was the scariest week in my life, save for maybe just after 911.

        major column coming tonight or Sunday am

        • janis

          every single week is the scariest of our lives. The tension and stress is just overwhelming.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
        • redneck_hippie

          week because I read that cap and trade is off the table until 2011. While the hockey stick graph of money supply is more than demoralizing, the overreaching has in my humble opinion reached the tipping point.

          And it’s time for the quarterly investment portfolio statements.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            with the dems revolting against a lot of this mass onslaught. That Bayh had 12-18 dem senators against the carbon crap was a huge matter.

            But there is so much being done, that I tremble…

            My next blog tonight or Sun am will list just things from THIS WEEK only…

            We are in a war for the survival of America.

          • redneck_hippie
          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            from the unelected. In other words, even Mark Sanford may not be free enough to lead the revolution required.

            I suggested months ago that we may need civil disobedience on oil drilling….

            more later

          • pitchfork

            it’s time that libertarians are given an equal seat at the GOP table

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • janis

            as a leader. Someone who fiercely believes in what we want to do, not someone who will use it as just a vehicle to get where they want to go to satisfy some personal ambition. Someone who doesn’t want to play the same old game that got us where we are now.

            Someone wise and not clever, someone truly good clear through who is willing to fight like a junkyard dog and not sell us out for crumbs.

          • pitchfork

            i’m afriad we may have to settle for Mitt Romney. (who is not a bad choice in my opinion)

          • redneck_hippie
          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • redneck_hippie

            I like him where he is now, organizing and funding ideas that are good for the country. Sort of an opposition leader in exile. Lord knows we need someone to take the helm and herd these cats into some semblance of cohesion/coherence.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            ideas on complex issues like health care

            he is great on religion as well

          • pitchfork

            He was playing footsie with the Brooks, Parker, Noonan crowd.

            I think Newt is a gifted conservative thinker, but his constant insistence to use the public arena and the party to promote himself ahead of the principles of conservativism make me question his leadership ability

          • redneck_hippie

            election and resulting destruction of principled governance at the federal level have taught Newt a thing or two about bipartisanship. If not, he needs to stay in exile until he learns it.

    • Mike gamecock DeVine

      notice that?

  • pitchfork

    ..

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    our conversation yesterday and this morning on one of mailloux’s threads.

    I’m afraid that if they do show up at my door, they’re not going to have a very good time. I have a dog who thinks he’s a misplaced descendant of Cujo, which is okay with me because they won’t know he’s as harmless as a newborn kitten. *grin*

    • janis

      know that. We used to have a dog who welcomed everyone with wagging tail and great big grin–until you tried to leave. We had to grab her by the collar many a time to keep her from snagging somebody’s pant legs while they tried to get in their vehicle. The guy who had to come out and read the electric meter finally got a pair of binoculars and just stayed in his truck after a couple of harrowing escapes.

      • Achance
      • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

        You should have heard him when the cable guy showed up. You would have thought the guy was going to end up mailed. After Tramp got it out of his system, he followed the guy around like they were best pals.

  • http://deafconservative.wordpress.com Cheetah772

    Nowadays, I can’t distinguish between Liberalism’s nearly 100 years of ongoing struggle to turn America into a socialist utopia and Obama’s “electoral” campaign.

    To me, Obama is more like a symptom of a true problem — liberalism attacking America’s foundations of liberty and capitalism, not to mention its relentless assaults on Christianity.

    The road to Hell is well paved with good intentions. Nonetheless, Obama’s intention to maintain a stable footing in electoral politics is fine with me. After all, we just can’t expect our opponents to roll over and play dead for us, can we? However, it is frightening to even consider a scenario where Obama’s intention may lead to a greater evil.

    No one expected socialism to have this much power since Teddy Roosevelt first proposed some radical, progressive ideas. Look where we are right now 100 years later. I shudder to think what America will look like 100 years from now…..

    • Mike gamecock DeVine

      Slouching book that was instrumental in my conversion but that book shows how much we have declined despite the Reagan revolution and how hard it is to stop the gradual decline of the affluent west.

      Plus, we can’t underestimate the danger of permanent danger as in the late 60s when libs seized control with huge majorities after JFK’s death.

      • pitchfork

        if I were a political stock trader, I would be buying GOP shares hand over fist right now

        • Mike gamecock DeVine

          I just worry that we can’t win big enough fast enough to REVERSE the damage they will do unless we can actually stop some legislation now!

          It takes a filibuster proof senate and the white house

          and look at the damage dems have done on energy since 1978

          • djemi

            Not that that will do much good as long as BOs numbers are where they are

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • djemi

            More has to be done.

            Did you see this
            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/03/21/maher-glenn-beck-increasing-chance-horrible-action-obama

          • AKSteveB

            important economic issue to block, in order to stop the most irrevocable of the damage.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            of workers sign cards to certify union

          • Achance

            The word was that Costco, Starbucks, and some other company would support card check if the threshold for recognition was upped to 70%. Those are both Democrat/union friendly companies, so I don’t know what this means.

            In reality, the 50% recognition piece is the less important piece of the legislation. First, a union needs either overwhelming support or overwhelming apathy in the membership. A union needs compelled dues as quickly as possible after recognition: it costs a lot to organize a unit and negtiate the first agreement. If they only have 50% of the employees on board with them and try to put the whole unit under a compelled dues system, they have a built in dissident group that can make the leadership miserable and make it difficult to ratify agreements. I’ve held all along that the big companies won’t oppose this legislation so long as they can be assured that their competitors will be organized as well. They don’t care what labor costs so long as it costs their competitors the same.

            The important part of EFCA is the compelled arbitration. Any union would sacrifice the card check piece in a heartbeat to know that if they could win an election, they’d have an agreement undoubtedly with a union security clause within 120 days or so and security for the next two years. That takes away the employer’s primary tool for decertifying a new union; dragging out the negotiations until the current one year insulation period is over. Then if after a year there is no agreement, nobody much is paying dues, and if the employer has been smart, the workforce has lost its ardor for the union, the employer moves to decertify the union as the exclusive representative.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            has the potential to greatly increase unionization and cause violence if its tried among non-receptive audiences.

            Both aspects are very bad.

          • olsmithie

            for the organizing drives I have dealt with in the past.

            When you get tired of threats and having children shot while sleeping in their bed, you will sign.
            (All documented by our New Yawk Lawyers.)

            During 2 organizing drives that I dealt with,the Stealworkers got plenty of cards signed, then mysteriously, when the secret ballot occurred, they always came up short.

            Imagine that.

            Card check is a free ride in anywhere they please.
            Threats and intimidation work fairly well.

            Card check is a bigger deal than most folks think.

            Regards

        • redneck_hippie
        • djemi

          Although with want BOs up to right now, I think that the backlash is already on its way.

  • http://www.scottbomb.com scottbomb

    Who knows, we just might win an election on two?

    I don’t like it any more than anyone else here but what’s stopping the RNC from doing the same thing?

    • djemi

      What is it now $2bill to Acorn so they can pay for the boats on the ground knocking on doors.

    • Lammo

      n/t

  • dwarfmama

    I checked the website this morning, and there were 11 people signed up to go canvassing. The population in this county is about a quarter-million, so they weren’t going to cover much of it. This is a pretty conservative state, though. Was there higher turn-out elsewhere?

  • djemi

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/03/21/maher-glenn-beck-increasing-chance-horrible-action-obama

    I’m not sure how to express my feelings about this one, just the straight up hypocrocy, unreal.

  • paulincolo

    The email I am giving to the obama brown shirts and the JW:

    Paul@obamaisthedevil.com

  • rick554

    I feel disenfranchised!!! I had not 1 obamatron come to visit yesterday! Maybe they werent interested in the feelings and sensibilities of a white, male, professional construction worker. I have an email address I woulda given them. Alas, my dobie, Dick Cheny l l was outside yesterday, but I’ll keep him in until I see the Obamanauts in my neighborhood.
    Signed,
    Disenfranchised and unloved by the ONE,
    Rick 554

    • $peciallist

      we need a Million white, male, professional construction worker March!

      A Caucasian is a terrible thing to waste…

      how about a United white, male, professional construction worker College fund?

      Dick cheney the doberman…lol

  • furious

    …in support of Our Leader’s policies, or shall we tear up your ration card and residency permit right now?”

    You think I’m joking? The Block Safety Committees are forming now.

  • red4ever

    Did you know there are Obamites who truly believe that conservative organizations are paying people to go on blogs and newsppaper websites in order to post negative things about The One. Unlike, the true believers who proselytize for free. Nope, the only way to get counters to the Message is to pay people to do it. And of course, no one would do it on their own, it must be at the direction of the right wing conspiracy. To this I have just one thing to say — Where’s my check???

    • randy streu

      if we’re supposed to be getting paid, evidently the USGOP hasn’t gotten the memo.