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Another word that goes with decency is class. You essentially are talking about manners Mark, and there is a definite lack of them from the Obama administration. Diplomacy is a critical requirement for heads of state, even presidents. Someday, this deficit on the Obama administrations part, will come back to haunt them. For now, he can demonstrate with impunity, an “in your face” arrogance.

The tragedy of today for us, is his ability to be a hypocrite and succeed in fooling at least half of the country. A man who has no value for the beginning of life, will have no value for human failings and short comings on the continuum of life. People will see this in the coming years, when health care is rationed-the elderly and infirm will be first affected by this, after that, who knows? Ironically, abortions will not be on the rationing list.

with U.S. tax dollars. And decent presidents don’t as a matter of priority sign an executive order in the first three days of office to expand abortion. Barack Obama doesn’t really believe in reducing abortions like he told those Notre Dame students today. He believes in expanding abortions as a matter of priority. See that is the negative difference with this president. He is allowed to say one thing while obviously doing the other and people clap and stand to their feet saying hooorah while the president of Notre Dame hands him an honorary degree. See that is what is called moral relativism. It’s rampant in our culture.

Once again a leftist president brings up the old canard about making abortion, “safe, legal, and rare”. What a load of garbage. When has he voted for any piece of legislation that would do this? Where in any of his current plans is he proposing to do this? It is all just nice sounding words meaning nothing.

I am disappointed Obama was invited to Notre Dame. But, at the same time, Notre Dame has hosted as a graduation speaker Presidents George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George Bush Sr., and Ronald Reagan. Inviting people of high office to speak at the University is not the chief problem. The invitation itself is made out of the tradition of inviting the President, and confers no particular endorsement of Obama’s positions. I think the vast majority of those who were in favor of welcoming the POTUS took this viewpoint.

The chief problem was the fact they conferred an honorary degree on him. While the right thing to do would have been to not invite him as a keynote speaker, (I believe politicians by and large at grad events always piss off half the population, so its not a good choice), there was certainly no obligation to give him an honorary degree. That was atrocious. I myself have a ND Law degree, for which I worked hard, and now they throw one at someone whose values are antithetical to what the University stands for.

Most disappointing though were the actions of the Notre Dame Security Police which arrested peaceful protestors for trespassing and some for resisting arrest. The Gestappo like bandits who have made themselves a laughingstock in the past by arresting a 38 year old man for underage drinking at a tailgate party and other inappropriate acts, arrested people praying the rosary, a priest, and Norma McCorvey.

Obama supports, nay, promotes abortion. And infanticide. Any claim of “decency” seems moot in the face of those positions.

I am not a Catholic. But I have to ask, simply on a logical basis, why the Church permitted this.

I’m serious. Either Church doctrine is true and supported by the institution that believes in it, or it isn’t.

For the Church to NOT condemn those who thumb their noses at so basic a tenet as the sanctity of life seems completely illogical to me. And for the Church, in the person of a Catholic university, to honor such a man with a degree seems to defy all reason and logic

But then, I cannot understand why the Pope allows a Catholic such as Nancy Pelosi, whom he has met with, to continue to receive sacraments when she is defying Church doctrine on this subject.

And it sure isn’t about the students. It’s all about Obama. Always has been, always will be, and this is another in a series of prime examples.

Maybe the Catholic Church is trying to appeal to “moderates”. Looks like it’s going pretty well. I am sure their pews will be overflowing since Notre Dame reached across the aisle with their bireligionship.

It is a sad day in our Nation when the powers that be at Notre Dame would turn a blind eye to the fact that the man that they chose to give an honorary degree to is the most pro abortion President in history. He spoke of reaching a “common ground” on this issue. Disgusting! There is no common ground when it comes to the slaughter of innocent babies. Shame on you Obama. God help you!

I knew I had to keep my back side covered because some thug was coming out in the dark with dirty fighting. The only FAIR way to deal with obama is the same way obama has dealt with the United States taxpayers. obama -ACORN scummmer, kerry, kennedy, dodd, frank, dodd has raped the taxpayers and that was not FAIR. Abortion-squeezing the life out of a newborn isTORTURE.
Waterborading terrorists and non-uniformed thugs is NOT TORTUE.

Obama, in his address, mentioned those opposed to stem-cell research, but blatantly omitted the word “embryonic.”

ND’s president defended this whole commencement fiasco on the grounds of opening a dialogue with a president who holds an opposing viewpoint to Catholic teaching.

Father Jenkins, please tell me how you can have a reasoned debate with someone who isn’t honest in defining the points of disagreement from the start?

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http://president.nd.edu/events-and-communications/communications/fr-jenkins-statement-on-2009-commencement-speaker

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is that Obama can’t claim to stand for reducing abortions. He expanded it internationally with US tax dollars. That makes no sense in of itself. But it also reveals that Obama believes in it aggressively. The man even voted against a bill that in rare instances when an infant survived the ,doctors would be obligated to save it. This reveals a darkness we have never witnessed in our presidency before.

You’re absolutely right that Obama’s arrogant narcissism fueled his desire to appear at ND despite the costs to the university.

The left continues to beat us by redefining and twisting language to push and sell their ideas. For 8 years, you couldn’t hear GWB’s name without the word “idiot” getting snuck in there somewhere by some lefty. That became part of the general understanding of GWB.

I advocate for all of us on the right, that EVERY TIME you discuss The One, you include the word ARROGANT in there somewhere. That needs to become the major meme on Obama. We don’t have the MSM to help push this, but we do have one major advantage to pushing the Obama/arrogant theme over the Bush/idiot one: IT’S ACTUALLY TRUE!

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Catholic Neuman associations across American should not take this lying down. Football is a high profile activity, and ND is still the “face” of college football for many Americans. So how about every Neuman associations at rival schools demonstrating before ND away games? Draw attention to the fact that ND does not represent Church doctrine faithfully, and how shamefully it misrepresented it on 5/18/09. Say the Rosary and hold signs outside the stadium. Hand out literature documenting how ND does not support the sanctity of human life. Give the school some negative publicity it so richly deserves.

– Of course, many Neuman associations probably have Fr. Jenkins types for pastors.

That is pure fallacy and ND is not alone since other similar colleges are moving away (or at least distancing themselves) from church teachings. In fact, many colleges starting as Catholic or Christian learning institutions have viewed that identity as an albatross and barrier to attracting more “diverse” students. I was frankly shocked at the lengths to which this point was scripted on some recent visits. The pillars of doctrine are seen as an accoutrement or sideline- there if that sort of thing interests you.

The grand movement is towards a slow disassociation from their heritage. This is of course driven by a numbers and demographic game- premise being that broader appeal somehow translates into attracting better, more diverse students.

The weakness of their approach is that folks such as myself are amazed at such counter intellectual behavior- what do they believe made those into such prestigious institutions and bastions of collegial excellence? Do colleges realize they are trading one group of students for another- making them less diverse? What distinction does that school ultimately possess amongst the other “prestigious” institutions? Or do such colleges just anticipate their “brand” and established history will cause students to toss principal and beliefs to the wind? Sure. That is perhaps a good first lesson in propaganda or liberal inculcation, but not one for independent and well reasoned thinking.

As an issue and in church teaching, abortion is very black and white. Either one supports the killing of fetuses or one does not. Mr. Obama does, and has gone to great lengths in order to establish the process globally, including previous support of what can only be termed infanticide. Abortion was one of his first priorities and missed in the 100 day accolades. In sum, this is not meeting “halfway”, it is “get on board the train is about to leave”. Sorry, I won’t be buying the ticket.

Nonetheless, this is not really the debate or discussion we should be having and once again Mr. Obama, either purposefully or misguidedly, misses the point. You don’t “meet halfway” on abortion. An abortion detractor establishes first they are against the practice, fights against proliferation, federalization and any other means of making this an acceptable practice. But that posture can not be separated from what ultimately drives that individual. It is love, compassion and understanding for our fellow man, including those who are considering or had an abortion. It is NOT a posture or policy of vehement exclusion, isolation or stigma as many abortion advocates like to characterize those against this practice. People having or believing in abortion are not the enemy or excluded from our party, in fact they are already welcomed. They are potentially the misled, uninformed, confused, conflicted or pained who need compassion and understanding. And in the end, if we agree to disagree on the issue and leave it between them and God, which is where the final resolution rests- so be it. They are still welcome in my house.

As an aside, we used to call priests who act contrary to church teaching heretics. I guess that has gone out of vogue with Catholic Church leadership.

Anti-Palin Rs/Cs should do something about it if they want their Candidates to stand a chance by 2012.

You have put into words what I have been rumaging over for some time. I don’t read all the replys so please don’t accuse me of being Mareen Dowd-esq, but the epitome of irony is that a beauty contestsant can stand up for her confictions but a major Catholic university can’t.