Actually, the first half of this article from Peggy Noonan is not all that bad. But Ms. Noonan goes astray somewhere in between blaming Alaska Governor Sarah Palin for everything from all the ills of the Republican Party to the Kennedy assassination.
This is the part I cannot abide:
“Here’s why all this matters. The world is a dangerous place. It has never been more so, or more complicated, more straining of the reasoning powers of those with actual genius and true judgment. This is a time for conservative leaders who know how to think.
Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.
The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.”
Just how are the Democrats meeting these standards, Ms. Noonan? How is the boy-wonder president that you were so infatuated with not so long ago doing on that score? Not so great, eh?
Ms, Noonan, if you are so concerned all these catastrophe coming to be, try concentrating fire on those in power right now who are acting to bring them about as a matter of policy.

I agree with Noonan
I cannot keep my story straight on my political affiliation. Friday, July 10th at 8:54PM EDT (link)Her argument has nothing to do with the democrats.
She’s saying, and I agree, that Palin does not represent the GOP’s A-game. She is neither the best, nor the brightest we have to offer.
Palin quitting and becoming the next superstar pundit is good for the GOP. She’ is an excellent money raiser and a terrible national candidate.
http://www.redstate.com/jrichardson/2009/04/28/2008-the-year-of-obama/#comment-718
“The right’s inability to listen to news like this and adjust your message will spell the doom of your party.”
Redstate Pool: Over / Under on this guy
Jack_Savage Friday, July 10th at 9:14PM EDT (link)Veags line: Within his next ten comments.
I have the under.
You win :)
6eorge Jetson Friday, July 10th at 10:14PM EDT (link)Speaking of pools, we ought to have a pool for the number of “Let me be perfectly clear”s Zer∅ uses in his next major speech.
I thought the phrase was "let me make one thing perfectly clear"
civil_truth Saturday, July 11th at 3:46PM EDT (link)Oh wait, that was Richard Nixon.
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Awww, did somebody lose track of who they were supposed to be?
Moe Lane Friday, July 10th at 9:27PM EDT (link)I know, I know: it’s hard to pretend. But that’s OK: it’s over! You can go back to watching the President casually violate every libertarian principle in the book.
Blam.
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susanb55 Saturday, July 11th at 1:47PM EDT (link)Obama isn’t a libertarian. Few people are. I’m only concerned that he might violate his OWN principles.
That may be hard to do since he seems to have very few
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 1:56PM EDT (link)other than acquiring absolute power.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
susieDoubleNickel, you're not too bright, are you?
janis Saturday, July 11th at 2:02PM EDT (link)Moe didn’t call Obama a libertarian. No one in their right mind would. He was referring to the one who was posting deceptive comments.
Please try to keep up. And as ocleverone said to you–Obama doesn’t have principles to violate, just campaign promises to break. He’s just swell at doing that, or haven’t you noticed?
Who's the brightest then? nt
Rod_Patrick Friday, July 10th at 11:47PM EDT (link)Peggy sounds like she's been drinking.
NeoKong Friday, July 10th at 9:20PM EDT (link)Even I have a little more optimism than she does.
The opinion of a wise whitino male.
Peggy Noonan and her paper the WSJ just more birdcage liner...nt
JadedByPolitics Friday, July 10th at 9:21PM EDT (link)Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
not true about WSJ
Doc Holliday Friday, July 10th at 9:46PM EDT (link)Noonan was supposed to be a Republican, she changed sides, it happens once in a while with those who have no core.
Molon Labe!
ahh Doc but WSJ continues to allow her putrid....
JadedByPolitics Friday, July 10th at 10:45PM EDT (link)classless writing hey I love the WSJ I just won’t be purcasing it while she slings her swill on it’s pages……I mean it ’s my money and their financial decision they can decide if they want to continue to shed readers and become the next Newsweek ie: only writing for a select few.
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
understood Jaded
Doc Holliday Saturday, July 11th at 2:26PM EDT (link)I should have more disdain for Noonan, but somehow she slipped quickly past disdain to irrelevance. If she keeps attacking like this, then I guess it will be time to return fire. I think Noonan represents a group so small they have more leaders than followers.
Molon Labe!
Agree with you there
Cheryl Saturday, July 11th at 1:26AM EDT (link)and I appreciate someone clicked on her WSJ opinion and read it, cause I sure won’t. With the exception of Thomas Frank, WSJ editorial writers are first class.
Note to Peggy Noonan
kowalski Friday, July 10th at 9:23PM EDT (link)The Obama Administration is about making America more competitive with France.
Think about that for a second, because it’s true.
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We're going to have
kowalski Friday, July 10th at 9:27PM EDT (link)We’re going to have double digit unemployment and low economic growth, and tremendous expansion of government under O for as long as people in the United States will tolerate it because it has simply been dictated that America is making France ashamed of itself. The only solution is to make America as uncompetitive as France is.
That is the only thing the next poltician in this country needs to understand, because it is the modus operandi of our current government. We wouldn’t want to shame the French for their top-down, elitist and hierarchical system that taxes away the work products of everyone in their realm — we want to emulate it!
That’s the Obama Plan. There is nothing more sophisticated to it than that. It is about establishing an oligarchy of governmental elites in this country that are a mirror of what France has. There is no further schooling necessary.
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Before Obama was elected.
Repair_Man_Jack Saturday, July 11th at 2:48PM EDT (link)Lance Armstrong used to kick their cheese-eating butts in Tour de France each year.
Hope is not a plan. Change is not always good.
If Peggy Noonan knew how to think
kowalski Friday, July 10th at 9:31PM EDT (link)She’d get off her asinine schtick about Sarah Palin and start thinking about how she’s going to help American society become something other than Barack Obama’s French Experiment.
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Some ideas/policies are so destructive that only the "gifted" can think
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 10th at 9:36PM EDT (link)them up.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
Peggy Noonan
edward_cropper Friday, July 10th at 9:39PM EDT (link)What Ms Noonan and other like minded thought sharers do not grasp is the fact that the average American doesn’t know his/her ass from a hole in the ground about genuine constitutional government nor do they want to.
Real leadership from whom.Neither party has yet to understand the common man and what is needed to resurrect our freedoms.
Neither party has the brains to take action because they do not have a clue what the problem is. The problem to a great extent is them
Edward Cropper
Isn't any wonder that she's earned the nickname "Peggy Noonbeam." nt
smagar Friday, July 10th at 9:40PM EDT (link)“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
snob is only 4 letters - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 10th at 9:43PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
Noonan is right
adamy Friday, July 10th at 9:51PM EDT (link)No one can seriously think that Palin is our A-game. She just doesn’t sound articulate. And she is not going to convince anyone in the center to vote our way.
Yes, Palin has been savagely and unfairly attacked, but a skillful politician and certainkly one that is ready to lead the party on a national ticket would have been better equipped to combat this.
They hated Reagan and he was able to speak to the people. He did so without Fox News and Rush Limbaugh doing his bidding. Fox News and Rush Limbaugh are great for getting the conservative message out - but I would much prefer someone that can operate under the pressures of a hostile media environment. And certainly I would prefer someone that doesn’t up and quit. You can dress it up all you like but that is what she did.
As far as I can tell, the nomination is Romney’s to lose. And I’m happy with that, unless or until someone better comes along.
Ah, And Off Comes The Mask...
IJB Friday, July 10th at 9:54PM EDT (link)In paragraph #4.
Shoo, fly.
FOX News & Rush Limbaugh doing his bidding?...
JadedByPolitics Friday, July 10th at 11:11PM EDT (link)so you just threw yourself right on the tracks of the idiot train….tool!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
doesn't "sound" articulate? - hmmm - more later - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 10th at 11:33PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
Looking forward to it.
Uma Richie Saturday, July 11th at 12:15AM EDT (link)There’s nothing like the perspective of the Phi Beta Kappa member from south of the Mason Dixon line.
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“We hold our heads high, despite the price we have paid, because freedom is priceless.” -Lech Walesa
adamy's phrase "doesn't sound articulate" is gramatically incorrect as a redundancy and evidences bigotry against those with regional accents - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 11:45AM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
and if you ever get Mike's voice mail
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 11:56AM EDT (link)I can assure you he has a “regional accent.”
And I don’t think ANYONE could make a case against his intelligence. [with the possible exception of his incomprehensible loyalty to the Atlanta Braves]
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
Basic english spoken here but I ain't prejudiced against that non-southern accent the rest of y'all emit
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 12:00PM EDT (link)14-year division win streak produced so many happy days!
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
I am embarrassed to admit
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 12:09PM EDT (link)that my kidding GC about his voice mail message, “HI, this is Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike DeVine…” [turning the name Mike into a four syllable word], that caused him to change it….
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
LOL
mom2oneson Saturday, July 11th at 12:20PM EDT (link)My actual mom will be moving in with me soon..she can hardly understand my son on the phone. I may have to go to the dr with her. She is never going to understand the three syllable words one-vowel words!
You do understand that I was
Uma Richie Saturday, July 11th at 11:23PM EDT (link)complimenting you, right? I’ve been around long enough to know that accent bigotry usually earns a masterly smackdown from GC.
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“We hold our heads high, despite the price we have paid, because freedom is priceless.” -Lech Walesa
I really dislike
aesthete Friday, July 10th at 10:00PM EDT (link)how obsessed with class she is. Who, aside from possibly some Clinton Democrats or independents who supported Palin, was enthused that she was “so working-class”? Others on that list could have been written by a Dem. (”lack of appropriate modesty”, etc.) She did, however, do an admirable job of whacking the strawman that she established into oblivion.
I’m not in love with SP, but Peggy Noonan’s article is lacking in substance, unless there was an honest evaluation of her record and policies as Governor and Mayor nestled away someplace in the article (her “thoughtfulness” notwithstanding).
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
Class?
adamy Friday, July 10th at 10:09PM EDT (link)Who, aside from possibly some Clinton Democrats or independents who supported Palin, was enthused that she was “so working-class”?
But Palin’s supporters largely overlapped with Huckabee’s supporters in the primary. The same people that enthusiastically supported Huck (many, though far from all, evangelical Christians) were just fine with Huck going on about Wall Street greed.
Now, to be fair, Palin wasn’t nearly as eager to take Huckabee’s class warfare tack and talk about how political opponents of the same party reminded him of someone who just layed him off, but the same people enthused about Huck were the ones that were in attendance of the big Palin crowds.
So the “working class” enthusiasm was based in identity politics. That’s fine, as far as it goes. Mormons were enthused about Romney. Blacks and and a disproportionate number of pointy-headed college types were enthused about Obama. “Working class” people, families identified with Palin.
Reply To This is your friend, adamy.
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adamy Friday, July 10th at 10:24PM EDT (link)Sorry. I am just figuring this out.
Fair enough
aesthete Saturday, July 11th at 12:13AM EDT (link)I still say that it’s a strawman, inasmuch as dismantling Sarah Palin’s support goes. I’ve never considered Huckabee’s supporters as being particularly conservative or Republican (I remember that he got lots of support from statist Dems and independents), nor have I seen any evidence for the claim that Huckabee’s supporters transferred to Palin (though it does make sense logically), but in any case, a “nudge, nudge, wink wink” implication on the part of the McCain campaign isn’t, in my mind, enough to tar and feather Palin’s supporters as rubes who would only elect one of their own. I have a problem with such unfounded sentiments, even with my (elitist?) dislike of populism.
If you want a factual case against Mrs. Palin, Achance and AKSteve are your guys, but pretending that Noonan has a point, when what she really has are stylistic dislikes of Sarah Palin, legitimatizes those who make politics personal, as Ms. Noonan seems to be doing here.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
Great guilt-by-association smearing here (and moby venting)
civil_truth Saturday, July 11th at 2:16PM EDT (link)You’re the first commentator I’ve ever heard to accuse Sarah of pandering to the Huckabee crowd or to claim that the attraction of Republican voters to her was based on identity politics. And ther first sentence here is spin out of pure sow’s ears.
The reason is that Sarah comes from a totally different political orientation. Huckabee was a big government collectivist in practice, whereas Sarah comes from a far more libertarian bent - as befits her coming from Alaska.
Of course, if you’re used to liberal Democratic identity politics thinking - and therefore have a lack of understanding of the political views of conservative Christians because they’re from a “foreign country”, then of course you’ve got to fit Sarah’s support into a spurious class analysis.
So nice exposing yourself here…Time to head back to sites where you can play your identity politics games, but don’t do that here.
And Rightly So!
Peggy the dope
billcabot Saturday, July 11th at 8:57PM EDT (link)Peggy is an elitist fool.
So elegant
Superheater Friday, July 10th at 10:15PM EDT (link)Sarah just needs to be more “elegant” to please Peggy.
Lock up Noonan with General Powell.
Lock up? No
Neil Stevens Friday, July 10th at 10:32PM EDT (link)We’re not Democrats. We don’t start talking about show trials of the opposition day 1 we get back in power.
We just point and laugh.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
Looking ahead
adamy Friday, July 10th at 10:37PM EDT (link)Regardless of whether or not Palin is presidential material, she certainly will come in handy if she’ll help campaign in generally red areas of the country that happened to elect Democrats to the House over the past couple of years.
Let her write her book and give speeches and make a little bit of money. She can campaign on behalf of our congressional candidates and maybe knock off a few so-called “conservative” Dems. Let her go to MD and knock off Kratovil. She can go to Texas and campaign. Maybe we can get rid of Chet Edwards and install a real Republican with her backing.
I think this is what is best. Everybody wins.
I think you're a sleeper troll
smagar Friday, July 10th at 10:52PM EDT (link)We’ll see…won’t we?
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Really?
adamy Friday, July 10th at 11:13PM EDT (link)A sleeper troll?
Because I am not impressed with Palin as a figurehead for our party? Because she is too easily caricatured as lacking intellectual depth - and that’s the last thing the party needs right now?
I voted for a Democrat once in my entire life (and I vote every election). The one Democrat that got my vote was a candidate for NY State Assembly that ran unopposed. Even that vote was cast while I held my nose.
It is possible to think that going with a candidate that can successfully communicate an economic message (as opposed to shouting ‘One of us!’) is the best way forward.
Let’s take a look at what happened over the past couple of decades.
In the 1980’s Reagan successfully communicated an economic message. he lowered the top marginal tax rate from 70 to 28 percent. He talked about lower spending and less regulation. He got his message across and won in a landslide.
In 1988, George H. Bush promised an end to the Reagan approach. He sought a kinder and gentler approach. He managed a victory largely on voter judgement of the prior eight years. But by 1992 the coalition was in shambles because Bush raised taxes and didn’t keep his promises and generally just caved to Democrats.
1994 and the Contract with America. Gingrich and company returned to basics and were rewarded with 52 seats in the House and control of that chamber and the senate. **This was the last time Republicans even bothered to try to talk about conservative fiscal and economic policies***
But after that…what happened? Dole was a squish and Clinton co-opted our message. We lost the presidency and we lost seats in congress.
1998 - the party focused on impeachment. Whatever one thinks of obstruction of justice and perjury - it was a stupid political strategy and one that allowed the Democrats to paint the GOP as obsessed with trivialities - and hypocritical to boot.
2000 - The party lost the suburbs and we barely won the presidency by a fluke. Thank God for “compassionate conservatism”. (Eye roll)
2002 - We won, but only because Democrats are so weak on security.
2004 - Same thing as 2002.
2006 and 2008 - The war did us in. But drunken-sailor spending made it worse.
So what does this all mean? Republicans win when they ARTICULATE conservative economic principles. Palin seems UTTERLY UNEQUIPPED to do this. When she spoke about the economy on the campaign trail it was nothing but vague generalities. She said that the Republicans are going to cut taxes on business and Democrats would raise taxes. That was true enough - but she never bothered to explain why that was important. It was like the idea escaped her. As shown above, it’s been a decade and a half since the party even spoke to economic issues. Palin didn’t even try and I get the sense that she didn’t even think about it.
It pains me to say that a large portion of the electorate WANTS businesses to be taxed just to “stick it to the man”. We need a wholesale reselling of economic conservatism and that’s the only way we are going to win. We have a golden opportunity now to teach the public and contrast with the Obama/ Democrat approach. The last thing we need to do is squander this opportunity with someone who can’t sell what we need to sell. THAT is why I am opposed to Sarah Palin and happy to see her leave public office.
Rational thought...what a concept
SteveLA Friday, July 10th at 11:25PM EDT (link)admay
A rational analysis of what it takes to win the highest office in the land, what a concept! Your arguments will be lost on those that really don’t care about issues of good governance or even real conservative governance. Nope, never mind compentancy and capability to actually run a government, those things are not important.
Resistance is futile…you will be assimilated….You Betcha.
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Competency over ideological purity
Mocking her mannerisms?
noufa Friday, July 10th at 11:53PM EDT (link)Real rational, SteveLA.
“Obama is not a centrist. He was never centrist. He is a uniter. He does reach across the aisle. But he always do so in pursuit of progressive ends.”
-Jonathan Stein of Mother Jones 1/31/08
5 (nt)
Neil Stevens Saturday, July 11th at 12:16AM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
Next you'll be saying she's the pretty cheerleader
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 11:39AM EDT (link)who never had to work for anything.
Oh, wait, that’s Art’s beef.
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
I agree adamy, except for one thing.
mbecker908 Friday, July 10th at 11:33PM EDT (link)It wasn’t “the war” that beat us in ‘06 and ‘08. “The War” is a winning issue if we have strong leadership that is willing to fight on the domestic front. We didn’t in ‘06 or ‘08. GWB spent most of the last five years of his administration hiding under his desk in the oval office afraid to take on the enemy on the home front.
If GWB had the foresight to see what Sarah Palin did and had resigned shortly after the 04 election we’d be living in a different world and BO would most likely not be anything but a lazy State Senator still voting “Present”. And President Cheney would have cleared the landscape.
That would have been awesome
aesthete Saturday, July 11th at 12:18AM EDT (link)President Cheney… that would have been the day. And if would have been a pretty darn good day, too.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
I Disagree
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 11:59AM EDT (link)Especially in 06. The war killed us. I know there is a lot of push back on that. But I think in ten years, when we look at what happened, it killed us. Pre-surge, Iraq was a sink hole. And the bodies bags were piling up too quick for most Americans to stomach.
Not Dead Yet!
And a reasonable argument can be made that you're right.
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 12:05PM EDT (link)I will never accept that argument. No effort was made to sell what we were doing, why we were doing it and no effort was made whatsoever to take on the enemies on the homefront so they had carte blanche to sell their lies and treason.
It wasn’t the war. It was the fact that GWB was a political coward that killed the party.
Political Coward?
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 12:10PM EDT (link)Bush was inarticulate. But I think history will wirte that if he was two things it was tht he was gracious and courageous.
Bush beleived what he believed and didnt put his finger to wind looking for the latest wind. He didnt care about polls.
I really respect Bush for his courage. Sometimes he was too gracious. He was usually inarticulate, but I cant call him a coward.
When hollywood, pop culture, all the media gangs up on you like they do Bush and Palin, its really hard to pierce that veil.
Not Dead Yet!
100% Political Coward.
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 12:47PM EDT (link)Bush did absolutely nothing. When the Dems threatened - on a multiple times a day basis - to defund the war effort, when they accused him of lying to get into the war, etc, etc, etc, he was absolutely not “inarticulate”, he was under his desk saying nothing. “Courage” is not a word that is consistent with the last five years of GWB’s administration. He was a pathetic coward and he made the way for the Democrats in ‘06 and Obama in ‘08.
“Gracious” is not a quality that you use when faced with treason. Bush was a good man and a pathetic President. And a coward of the first order.
He Held Press Conference After Press Conference
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 12:57PM EDT (link)To no avail. But he was out ther eall the time urging patience and commending the soldiers.
Not Dead Yet!
Swamp: The issue is that he never attacked his opponents ...
Martin Knight Saturday, July 11th at 3:09PM EDT (link)… he never challenged their assertions, never took the time to point out their lies and defend his decision to give the go order. Worse, his entire communications team was asleep at the switch.
Urging patience i.e. “Stay the course!” and commending the troops is all well and good, but it was far below what was called for.
mbecker is right in that sense; Bush needed to open another front of the war at home; the political front against his critics, but he didn’t.
There’s nothing to admire in that.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
He Held Press Conference After Press Conference
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 5:49PM EDT (link)and he didn’t say a damn thing. That’s why it was to no avail.
The guy is an absolute, dyed in the wool, full blooded political coward. It was absolutely shameful send our military to fight and possibly die and he didn’t have the courage to respond forcefully and truthfully to people like John Kerry, etal. GWB is a fine gentleman, but he was a pathetic President. Pathetic. The best that can be said of him would be that he was miles better than either of the Dems he beat.
We are now paying the price for his cowardice, and we’ll continue to pay it until some leader rises up and calls a traitor and a liar “a traitor and a liar” instead of “my good and and honorable friend from MA”.
well the cowardice is party wide
Doc Holliday Saturday, July 11th at 5:55PM EDT (link)sure we see a tough speech once in a while to a partisan crowd. But do we see anything resembling the Reagan machine? Do we see ideas people fighting back against the MSM, NEA, unions, Hollyweird, etc? All I see is a party fighting itself and afraid to speak the truth for the fear of losing some demonrat proclaimed constituency.
Molon Labe!
The cowardice is party wide for a reason.
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 6:05PM EDT (link)And a simple reason at that: NO LEADERSHIP.
Reagan machine? There was no Reagan machine. There was Reagan the Leader and there were people who were willing to follow. If a Leader shows up, he will have followers. So far all we’ve seen are co-conspirators and head cases with egos.
I am not taking anything away from Reagan the leader
Doc Holliday Saturday, July 11th at 6:18PM EDT (link)But there was a Reagan machine made up of capable, creative, conservatives who helped him win. Since 2004, we have been losing, it has become the new normal. Fine we need a leader, but every time someone pops up many of us shoot them down. Our foes are institutionalized, and they should be institutionalized lol. What we need are people who are willing to fight and KNOW HOW to fight and win! I don’t see that, do you?
Molon Labe!
I don't see anyone even willing to fight,
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 6:36PM EDT (link)let alone know anything about winning. No one.
We need a leader who understands that politics now is bloodsport and is willing to play for keeps.
One of the reasons why I have no interest in Sarah Palin anymore is her stated reason for resigning. “Too hard on my family.” OK. But you just forfeited your right to play. We need someone who will draw blood without regard to the personal price and until that individual shows up and proves they are willing to heap both political and personal destruction on the opposition, we’re in for a long walk in the desert.
agreed mbeck
Doc Holliday Saturday, July 11th at 6:41PM EDT (link)I think Palin could be a good fundraiser, I think the presidency is out of reach.
Molon Labe!
It's still too soon to tell, Doc
pilgrim Saturday, July 11th at 6:57PM EDT (link)She’s 45 years old. I am willing to just sit back and watch what if anything she can work at doing. There were not a lot of folks who thought Ronald Reagan was going to be President when he was her age. It was not easy for him, and he worked very hard on what he would say and how he would say it. He made it seem very easy, but it actually took a lot of hard work.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
I don't think so. Certainly for the near/intermediate term
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 7:02PM EDT (link)like maybe the next three election cycles at least. See here.
It isn't enough to be "willing to fight" at the individual or candidate level.
Achance Saturday, July 11th at 7:18PM EDT (link)Frankly, in today’s Republican Party if you get into a fight whether you started it or not, whether you are right or wrong you get abandoned and kicked to the curb. Hell, half the Party will join whoever is beating on you. Until that changes, one has to be crazy to want to fight.
There’s a reason, I quickly reappeared here after saying I was going dark for awhile to do some stuff with the new Anchorage Mayor; I don’t know who ran the fasted, me from the Rotary Club Republicans or them from me and all over 5000 words that actually reported the truth of the situation they faced and which were deemed too controversial to see the light of day or be spoken in polite company. Who wants to be associated with these wusses?
In Vino Veritas
Yes Art, you have hinted at this before several times
civil_truth Saturday, July 11th at 7:31PM EDT (link)…that the Anchorage Republicans are still in denial that the political climate has changed such that the Democrat/left totalitarians are running rampant in their efforts to establish a one-party state and the old rules no longer apply.
This inability to discern the weather and the propensity to shoot the messenger (weather forecaster) are perhaps a greater danger the continuance of our republic than the leftists, because the former spikes efforts to create an effective opposition when people start catching on to what is going on in Washington.
And Rightly So!
This one area where we are in staunch agreement.
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 12:12PM EDT (link)I will never understand the Bush administrations reluctance to defend itself. I can’t remenber a President who wasted the bully pulpit on such a grand scale.
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Don't you think it was more the failure of Bush to sell the war, rather than the war itself coupled with
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 12:07PM EDT (link)a complacency about an economy that had been so good for so long that it was taken for granted? And that the later coupled with Bush’s communication failures and our collective war ignorance caused too many to buy into the ridiculous notion that the minuscule casualties in Iraq were high?
And
more later
maybe
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and more to the point about the war proper, aren't we already seeing that we won and how
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 12:08PM EDT (link)great a thing that is what with Iranians and Lebanese wanting what Iraq has?
I think so
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Not In 2006
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 12:22PM EDT (link)Bush sold the war 2002 and up to 2004 and people were patient, but by 2006 it was unraveling. Five years of body counts starts to weigh on people. We, as a country, are not built of the same fiber as past generations. The maimings and monthly body counts started to take its toll.
This is still senstive. I think ten years we can have a real debate. I know, in the heat of politcal battle, no one wanted to cede the other side anything. I remember listening to talk radio and listening to people insist that the only reason people have a bad image of Iraq is that the media wasnt reporting the progress. In retropect, that was crap.
That thing was falling apart. The strategy was bad. Intelligence was bad. Tactics were bad. We only gained traction after again after Patreus and the surge and a wholesale re-alignment of our tactics.
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part of the problem S_Y
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 12:30PM EDT (link)was that we have come to believe in deathless war.
Our military is SO DAMN good, and our medicine has become so advanced, that the American people have come to believe that we can win wars with on American loss of life.
You commented, “Five years of body counts starts to weigh on people.” In wars past we lost 4000-5000 men in a week, or a month. Each and every death was one of our neighbors, or a son, or a father.
But, the performance of our military — two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq with as little loss of life as we have experienced is amazing. And yet, we allowed the Dems to turn it into a quagmire…
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
And those five years of body counts would have
janis Saturday, July 11th at 12:44PM EDT (link)sounded a lot different had they been reported on by an objective media instead of a bunch of biased libs masquerading as media. And to the body count, they also tied every single thing they didn’t like about the Global War on Terror, including the fact that they didn’t believe in it to begin with. So not only were American troops dying, they were dying for an illegitimate cause instigated by a warmongering POTUS who was also busy subverting democracy and freedom in this country in the name of keeping Americans safe from terror attacks.
While George Bush may have wasted the bully pulpit, looking back I’m not sure he could have said anything to stop the tsunami of hatred from the Left. That tsunami started in Nov. of 2000 and never abated.
exactly right
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 12:49PM EDT (link)I discovered that no matter what subject began the debate, after refuting two, three, four… it ALWAYS devolved into “Selected Not Elected.”
They never got past their BDS!
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
The Media and Hollywood as a Fifth Column
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 12:50PM EDT (link)As I stated, we are a softer country now than then. But by 2008, Iraq had gone on longer than WWI, WWII and Korea. I think fatigue worked as much as body counts. By 2006, five years of body counts combined with no progress (pre-surge) took its toll along with the mixed mission statement. Polls show this.
Also I think people expect too much from politicians and the bully pulpit. In WWI, WWII and Korea. The media and Hollywood worked to strengthen our pride and resolve. It was a different country then. Now they are a fifth column and they work to demoralize and weaken us.
Hollywood and the median helped turn it into a quagmire as much as the Dems. Until we accept that the formidable fifth column exists, we are unwise to constantly sell out the efforts of people like Bush and Palin. The idea of some new Reagan is a pipe dream. No one single politician is gin to pierce that veil.
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We delude ourselves about WWII morale and
Achance Saturday, July 11th at 1:06PM EDT (link)US Civil War morale as well. By late 1944, we were a very war-weary nation and even troop morale was sagging, particularly in Europe as the men who had planned to be “home by Christmas” endured the winter counteroffensive and then the deadly slog towards Germany. It is well that the atomic bomb ended the war in the Pacific before we had to ship many men who had served in Europe to the Pacific to grind it out against the Japanese on their territory.
Likewise, the North was desperately war-weary by the fall of 1864, recruitment was sagging and the US was increasingly having to rely on draftees and immigrants enlisting for the bounty. Lincoln fully expected to be defeated and for the Democrats to end the war. Only Sherman’s sucess before Atlanta and extraordinary efforts to turn out the soldier vote caused Lincoln’s re-election and continued prosecution of the war. And on the Southern side, both troop and civilian morale had completely collapsed by the Winter of 64-65. The CSA faced the USA’s spring offensive with less than thirty per cent of its troops actually in the ranks and seriously considered censoring mail to soldiers because the soldiers were being begged by their loved ones to desert and come home to the family.
In Vino Veritas
And Those Wars Were Shorter Than Iraq
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 1:10PM EDT (link)and we are a weaker nation now with a press and entertainment industry that works against us.
Yes, absolutely by 2006, five years in with no progress, we were a war weary nation and that took its toll on the GOP that held the presidency and both houses of Congress at the ballot box, which was the original question here.
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On a side note that may (or may not) add to this
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 1:13PM EDT (link)DoD released their recruiting and retention numbers for June - they exceeded goals.
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=12808
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Military morale isn't the issue, civilian morale is
Achance Saturday, July 11th at 1:25PM EDT (link)a real problem and remains poor in my observation. People just lost faith in the undertaking in the ME and at most there is sort of a shrugging acceptance so long as the casualties remain very low. If AQ or the Taliban could organize a major offensive that resulted in “heavy,” say double digit, US casualties, there’d be a hue and cry to just pack up and leave. In his waning year, the GWB Administration did a good job of restoring some notion that it was working so the pack up and leave sentiment subsided. It wouldn’t take much to bring it back, something that would make the Democrats very happy.
In Vino Veritas
Civilians aren't fighting the war - shouldn't we take our que
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 1:32PM EDT (link)from those who are fighting and trust their judgement?
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
ocleverone, that should be the way of it, but it's not.
janis Saturday, July 11th at 1:42PM EDT (link)I remember talking with military members who had been deployed and then came home on leave. They were disgusted and shocked by what they saw and heard on the news. Over and over, they were told that they themselves were discouraged and defeated, ready to come home, giving up hope that things in Iraq would ever turn around.
And yet these same military men and women saw and heard the evidence for success with their own eyes and ears. What truly disgusted so many of them was the casual disregard for the lives of millions of innocent Iraqis, men, women and children who many of these soldiers and Marines got to know and respect and trust. And yet the MSM and politicians dismissed their right to freedom and safety as blithely as if they were less than human.
If any class of citizen in this country should have their judgement trusted on a regular basis, it would be the military. Yet it is the military who the Left loathes and distrusts as much as it does the Right. General Betrayus anyone?
I remember my son's first email from Iraq
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 1:46PM EDT (link)It was simply
Mom,
Don’t believe anything you hear on CNN.
Love,
xxxxx
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
No, ther stuk in Irak,
Achance Saturday, July 11th at 1:43PM EDT (link)and nobody cares about their opinion. Soldiers just aren’t real to most people.
In Vino Veritas
Which makes what Obama has done so far with regard to the WOT
janis Saturday, July 11th at 1:33PM EDT (link)very suspect. Any new policies that he has had implemented have been to weaken our troops’ ability to fight all out to win. So if we, God forbid, get the kind of attack you mention, Art, I will lay it at Obama’s feet of clay. Our troops deserve so much better in the way of a CinC.
They also deserve much better in the way of an informed citizenry who is bright enough to not elect an out and out communist.
Military casualties are an abstraction
Achance Saturday, July 11th at 12:52PM EDT (link)to the vast majority of Americans. Most haven’t been in the military, don’t know anyone in the military, and have never had any contact with the military except thru the ocassional recruiting commericial or seening someone in uniform at an airport or such.
The constant media drumbeat about body counts both during Vietnam and during the Iraq War gave people to believe that the US was enduring horrendous casualties. This was compounded by there being a few, but just enough, families that had lost soldiers who were willing to politicize their loss for the Left. When our son was in the military we were constantly getting clucking sounds and expressions of something like sympathy and questions about weren’t we worried about him, even going so far as asking how we could stand the stress of his being in war zones. First, all that demonstrates what a nation of wimps we’ve become and second how ignorant people were. I was and am now again now that he’s out, much more worried about him when he’s out doing the things a twenty-something single male does in civilian life than I ever was when he was in Afghanistan. Frankly, there’s a much higher probabilty of something bad happening to your son when he goes on a date or drinking with his friends than there is in a combat unit.
In Vino Veritas
A 5+ Art!
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 12:56PM EDT (link)I know the exact look and sound from people. We call it the Daffy Duck look (scrunch up the face a bit, Daffy Duck eyes, tilt the head oh-ever-so-slightly) and cluck something.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
That Abstraction is Perception
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 12:59PM EDT (link)… and in poltics perception is the only thing that really matter.
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And the Rs have been remarkably bad at managing
Achance Saturday, July 11th at 1:15PM EDT (link)perception while the Ds have been remarkably good at it. They had the idiots convinced that the best economy in history was the worst since the Great Depression. They have the idiots convinced that the raid by their kleptocrats on the Treasury is the greatest economic crisis in history and was brought on by GWB and the Republicans. They have everybody convinced that a not particularly severe recession is the end of the World and that they should support fundamental changes in our way of living and governing because of it. And all we hear from the Republicans is - NOTHING!
In Vino Veritas
5. {clapping} Bravo. [nt]
Martin Knight Saturday, July 11th at 3:15PM EDT (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
"Military casualties are an abstraction" and a tool for Domocrat politicians
nessa Saturday, July 11th at 1:29PM EDT (link)I remember one Demoncat calling us “tax dodgers” during the re-counts in Florida. While every other segment of the Federal Gov’t grows exponentially, thanks to the BO Administration, budget cuts wreak havoc on needed modernization and new weapons systems in the DOD. After our finest have given their last full measure of devotion they are politicized and used as a lever to pry us out of the GWOT, a move that, if ever allowed to succeed, would make their sacrifices for naught, completely wasted. Just like the dems were allowed to do with the lives of the Rangers in Somalia. They would rather cut and run and use their sacrifice as a political tool to advance their socialist agenda than ever allow the American People to be “dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.” Dem politicians care no more for lives of our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines than they do for the 50 million victims of Roe v Wade.
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agreed on how much softer we are, but "it", ie the war was not unraveling. In fact,
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 3:56PM EDT (link)the surge would not have been possible absent the intel we got because we stayed the course over TIME needed to win the trust of Iraqis we have twice betrayed in the past.
more later
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Thank you, GC.
skorrent1 Saturday, July 11th at 5:32PM EDT (link)And it was not just intel that built up over time. The capability of the Iraqi forces — essential for counterinsurgency success — was built up to a point where our 25% “surge” was matched by an effective native force four times as large.
and thank you skor' - I am continually frustrated at the notion that if only
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 5:35PM EDT (link)we had all along had more troops and surged sooner that all would have been bloodless that I want to wretch.
Some things require TIME.
Bush won it his way. bravo
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Yes, sort of.
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 12:40PM EDT (link)On the war, Bush did nothing domestically. He let the Dems run all over him and even went so far as to AGREE with their outright lies on the 16 Words.
On everything else, The Dems and the media were so emboldened by his cowardice on the war that they quickly figured that he wouldn’t fight them on anything. They were right.
And, as a military family who hangs out with military families, the very idea that “bodies were stacking up too fast” is just bull stuff. I don’t know a single military family who agrees with that idea, beyond the obvious personal instances, but even they support the war effort after their loss. I know multiple families who lost a Marine and saw - and supported - siblings enlisting afterward.
I will note that one-on-one with military families, especially those who lost sons, there has never been a better CinC that Bush. On the conduct of the war and on his conduct in office during a war, there’s never been a lamer CinC.
I Know A Bunch Too
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 12:54PM EDT (link)Its perspective. Much of the military are solid conservatives and Republians i ncertain parts of the country ensconced and buffered by other Republicans. Then there are the conservative Democrats, Republcans and independents in places like Pennsyvania and New Hampshire that reacted differently. The heat up heat during 2006 was palpable.
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It is a real world understanding of the words Honor, Courage, Commitment, Duty, and Country.
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 1:02PM EDT (link)We lost more friends on 9.11 than we have in Iraq or Afghanistan.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Hypocritical?
Neil Stevens Saturday, July 11th at 12:15AM EDT (link)Yeah, now I call moby, too.
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There Is No Crisis
It seems to me that people who think that they're smarter than everyone else
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 11:38AM EDT (link)are the ones who hate Palin the most. You seem to fit the bill.
“Republicans win when they ARTICULATE conservative economic principles. Palin seems UTTERLY UNEQUIPPED to do this.”
I get her message. Not enough syllables for you?
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Palin is articulate but I will admit that one aspect of liberalism is more articulate, and that is
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 11:43AM EDT (link)the suffering caused by liberal policies.
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I was right with you right up until
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 11:52AM EDT (link)your analysis in the last two paragraphs.
Gov Palin did not articulate economic principles in detail? Guess what? Neither did Sen McCain — nor did Sen Clinton — nor did Sen Obama.
They ALL spoke in generalities — Sen McCain because its not his best subject, and Sen Obama because he didn’t DARE tell the American people what he REALLY thought.
Gov Palin did talk Republican “meat and potatoes” issues of cutting taxing and spending — and does ANYONE not understand why that is important? Other than Democrats I mean?
Maybe if we got rid of the used car salesman approach and started SPEAKING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE about the things that matter to them, we would be better ahead.
I don’t want to be sold…..
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5! nt
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 11:59AM EDT (link)“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Excellent, David. I was going to make the same
janis Saturday, July 11th at 12:03PM EDT (link)point on the “talking about the economy.” Perhaps Gov. Palin gave the American public too much credit for understanding on an intuitive level that levying more taxes on the same people who provide the jobs in a faltering economy is a recipe for disaster. If so, that’s not her failure, it’s ours.
This Is Why I Cannot Support Any Moratorium on Palin
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 12:05PM EDT (link)Call me a “bot”. I was ready to let Palin retreat quietly to her Alasakan abode, but petty, ugly nasty people like Noonan write these atrocious pieces stating things like Palin “doesnt read” and she is a “confection of the elite” and a “bonbon” and all the anti-Palin trolls are still out there taking their shots.
Why couldnt Noonan just let it go. The story is a week old. Its not enough that she retreats for a while. Its as if they have to humiliate and destroy her,
I’m not going to let them write the story on Palin. They wont quit and neither will I.
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Dave you win the "908 Pat on the Head Award"
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 12:07PM EDT (link)for that comment.
I know you’ll treasure it. Now if I only had a graphic for it.
555 - nt
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Peggy Noonan former Reagan speech writer?
avgamerican Friday, July 10th at 10:58PM EDT (link)I haven’t heard or read anything on her for years. If she has been bashing Palin, I’ll rack it up to another disappointment. I agree with her remarks we need to find the right candidate, but I don’t want a watered down conservative. Compromising principle is the worst thing we can do. The dems are riding high right now on promises they can’t deliver. It will be important to zero in and capitalize on their manifested lies come 2010.
She's been writing a column
Erick Brockway Saturday, July 11th at 12:25AM EDT (link)…at WSJ forever. Used to be a rational conservative, then got hit in the head. Or something.
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Character vs. Intelligence
buckeye Saturday, July 11th at 12:02AM EDT (link)Liberals have always believed intelligence is the mark of leadership, which seems to be what Noonan prefers based on this article. Conservatives on the other hand gravitate more towards character, at least over intelligence. Character, like Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin.
Guts and smarts will get us beyond the challenges ahead, but smarts without guts is useless in trying times.
“Honor is self-esteem made visible in action.” - Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974
Truth be told, conservatives tend towards competence
aesthete Saturday, July 11th at 12:21AM EDT (link)…in theory, anyways.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
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“I am a freeman in a free state!”
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Guts Plus Ignorance
susanb55 Saturday, July 11th at 11:11AM EDT (link)It’s true that liberals tend to value education and intelligence. Conservatives should also value those things. In fact, I imagine most conservatives do. It doesn’t really matter if you’re ideas are good ones if you can’t construct a coherent sentence or if you are utterly incurious about foreign policy, economic policy, etc. It doesn’t matter how doctrinally pure your ideas are if you don’t care about government.
The question “which Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with other than Roe” was not a gotcha question. It was an utter softball. Joe Biden got asked the identical question and could come up with answers. Any gun-toting libertarian could come up with a couple of answers at the drop of a hat. But Palin was stunned by the question. She’d never given such boring nonsense a moment’s thought.
People who are interested in governing are interested in government and it’s a big subject. There’s a lot to learn about it–how the system works as it was designed by the Constitution, how it actually works after more than 2 centuries of court decisions and custom, how it’s worked in the past. And the big question: how you think it OUGHT to work. You have to know that other boring stuff before you can even approach that last big question.
A year ago Palin didn’t even know those were questions. She didn’t care then. She doesn’t care now. I’d rather have anyone posting on this board as VP because you know more about and care more about government than Sarah Palin.
in keeping with your ignorant statement on Pay-Go...
DONTREADONME Saturday, July 11th at 11:33AM EDT (link)you present us with this media induced regurgitation, thanks, but you have absolutely no idea what is wrong with the Government as evidenced by your ideal that americans want Government health care. Pixie dust and unicorns, just take it somehwere else.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Media induced?
susanb55 Saturday, July 11th at 1:28PM EDT (link)how do you think I found this blog? I read exactly half liberal and half conservative blogs. I know how to form my own opinions.
Most people want some kind of government health care. If you don’t watch the polls, I do. You may not care what people think–go right ahead. It will ensure that Dems are in power for a good long time. Power will corrupt them eventually as it does everyone. Until then, I’m ok.
Obviously, I’m not a libertarian. I’m not a socialist either. I want government to organize and oversee health care because too many people are dying for lack of it. When the body count piles up, I start thinking society isn’t doing its job.
And I don’t want to keep funding government with communist money. That means higher taxes.
Too late - they have already become corrupt. nt.
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 1:34PM EDT (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
You're, that's a contraction of you and are, a TalkingPoint-o-Matic.
Achance Saturday, July 11th at 1:40PM EDT (link)Whatever else you’re trying to do here, you are doing a good job of demostrating just how thorougly the Left has programmed their useful idiots cranked out of the government schools and reinforced by the popular media and culture.
The “too many people are dying for lack of it” meme about health care is simply a lie, just like the “worst economy since the Great Depression” meme during the best economy in history during most of the Bush Administration. During Reagan, the Ds had the weak-minded convinced that all the children in America were either missing and pictured on milk cartons or were homeless and living in the back of cars and all the old folks were eating their cat food. But, mind-numbed robots like you believed it and now Comrade Obama is poised to turn us into a socialist banana republic. I’m confident that people like you will mindlessly cheer him on.
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Art...another 5
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 1:44PM EDT (link)This makes about 6 times I have agreed with you today.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Liberal blogs bore me
susanb55 Saturday, July 11th at 2:26PM EDT (link)yeah, they tell me what I want to hear, but I never post to them. I’d rather talk with folks who can push back.
I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. It just seems like right wing-left wing seem to talk to cartoon versions of each other rather than the real deal.
In another comment somewhere, you said that you
janis Saturday, July 11th at 2:32PM EDT (link)prefer to think for yourself or make up your own mind. Why then is just about everything you say a rehash of old lib talking points? You haven’t expressed one single original or interesting thought here.
As to folks who can push back, we’re here in spades. But it’s not the primary thing we do here at RedState. That would be bringing and sharing news items and thoughts so that we will all benefit from being more informed. You add nothing to that.
well, playing with your food before you eat it
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 2:38PM EDT (link)does aid digestion in some species…
…just saying.
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
Dave, you are what you eat. Watch what you play with!
janis Saturday, July 11th at 2:44PM EDT (link)n/t
you know janis
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 2:47PM EDT (link)as a stand alone headline, without anyone knowing the context, your comment looks bad…
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
I thought about that, but only after I hit the button.
janis Saturday, July 11th at 2:58PM EDT (link)Sorry about that.
Then you are going to have to do better.
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 2:37PM EDT (link)In reading this post, it seems you are just an attention seeker with little grounded opinions other than to have people hit the reply button and dispute your statements.
I’m done with you unless you can get past the generalities regurgitated by the left and add some true substance to your posts.
Good luck with the push backs but be careful, there are those here that push very hard and the fall smarts.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Moe just gave her the ultimate push back. nt
TNJim Saturday, July 11th at 2:41PM EDT (link)“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane
Too Bad Moe Blammed Her.
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 2:48PM EDT (link)I love arguing with liberals.
Its okay though, all I have to do is walk out the front door of my law library and I’m on The Freedom Trail in Boston, where there are millions of liberals and Marxists for me to mess with on this gorgeous Saturday afternoon.
I think I’ll go raise some hell right now.
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Lucky you! :) nt
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 2:49PM EDT (link)“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
susanb55 got you in the fighting mood, eh? nt
TNJim Saturday, July 11th at 2:54PM EDT (link)“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane
I Was Born In A Fighting Mood
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 2:56PM EDT (link)This is my life; crushing Marxists from the halls of UMass to halls of the Boston Bar Assocation to footsteps of Beacon Hill.
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I Can Respect That Susan B. Anthony
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 2:42PM EDT (link)If you seek push back from Right leaning blogs that probably means you dont have much push back in real life. I assume you live in a big city or some liberal bastion.
I hate echo chambers. Unfortunately, it happens on both sides.
I am the exact opposite of you. I seek conservative blogs, because my whole life is full of push back. I know no real conservatives in Boston or in my profession. Every day I’m fighting someone or whole groups all alone.
I dont need push back from blogs. I just like to read what other conservatives are thinking, since I know about two in real life.
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Your leftist talking points are going to hold up around here.
penguin2 Saturday, July 11th at 1:49PM EDT (link)Excuse me, but you’re full of it. Or as I may more politely put it, you are full of the Dems talking points.
As far as corruption “eventually” getting the Dems”you are in a different time warp. They were corrupted by the leftists more than 40yrs ago and are doing quite nicely in the corrupt department today.
Second, the even more egregious remark you made, “too many people are dying for lack of it (health care) is bull. Where are the numbers to support such a flat out lie? Whole states are going bankrupt because no one is turned away from an emergency room. Try Japan, where you can spend the day riding around in an ambulance until finally some hospital will admit you. We have the best and most accessible health care in the world. Socialized medicine does not come close to giving you that. I can’t wait to see you and yours lined up waiting to see some medical person, and maybe get some care. You are fooling yourself and trying to fool others.
Really not much else to say, you’ve come here with a mindset that shows you aren’t worth the time and effort to have honesty as part of the discussion. Better get a real life in the real world.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin
error, leftist talking points are "NOT going to hold up around here." nt
penguin2 Saturday, July 11th at 1:53PM EDT (link)Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin
I was beginning to wonder... nt
TNJim Saturday, July 11th at 1:57PM EDT (link)“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane
I thought you were just being sarcastic. nt
Achance Saturday, July 11th at 1:58PM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
My thoughts were going fast and furious.
penguin2 Saturday, July 11th at 2:08PM EDT (link)I was so busy fixing typos in the comment I forgot to double check the title. For some reason, the trolls are getting to me today. Usually, I just watch the action, but this one tipped me over. Not my usual style.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin
Typos and Bad Grammar Are Fine
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 2:13PM EDT (link)One great thing about the blogosphere. Fast and furrious.
Just shows that you think quick on your feat and your too busy doing real work to address minutiae.
Leave ‘teh’ english classes to teh frustrated journalists who exploit blog forum.
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Yet again, your comment includes contradictions,
janis Saturday, July 11th at 1:52PM EDT (link)grossly ignorant statements of non-fact and outright lies.
Most people want some kind of gov. health care? Says who? List a credible source in a link. “Power will corrupt them eventually”? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!!! They’d have to climb 80 rungs up the ladder of evil to even GET to corrupt! And you most certainly are a socialist if you are advocating that gov. has to do what individuals should be doing for themselves. People are dying for lack of health care? Prove it with a link to a source. What body count are you referring to?
If you don’t want to fund gov. with communist money, then you shouldn’t have voted for a communist.
Society isn't Government, you're comparing Apples and Horsesh*t
nessa Saturday, July 11th at 2:10PM EDT (link)nt
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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Well, susanb, one can only assume
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 11:36AM EDT (link)that when you say:
…that you must be speaking about the President of the United States Barack Obama. When removed from his Teleprompter-in-Chief, he becomes the most stumbling, bumbling incoherent occupant the West Wing has ever seen.
And, of course, as to incurious, what could be more incurious than to rely on “consensus” of thought, rather than to actually investigate issues such as climate change, and health care reform.
Removed from the opinions he is told to hold, he would do nothing more than vote “PRESENT” time and time again.
That IS the person to whom you are referring………right?
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
Palin constructed coherent statements that exposed corruption in both parties in AK and got
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 11:39AM EDT (link)her elected Governor; denounced the bailout and was proven right; and denounced the stimulus/budget of Obama and has been dead on.
amen?
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That is why D.C. is afraid of Palin
izoneguy Saturday, July 11th at 11:44AM EDT (link)She will bring a big stick and start cracking heads and the good ole boy club does not like it…..
Who does the GOP think they can run against Obama in 2012???
And win???
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
I'm starting to be persuaded that maybe her work in AK was done! - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 11:46AM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
I am also continually amused (with the latest being Mark Davis filling in for Rush) at those that think Palin needs to "bone up" on
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 11:42AM EDT (link)policy, esp foreign policy.
Bull
Liberals and democrats need to bone up. They have been wrong for more than 40 years on all issues. Palin was right about Bush’s foreign policies to protect the nation; right on energy policy; life; the economy etc ad infinitum.
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The teleprompter
susanb55 Saturday, July 11th at 1:31PM EDT (link)nobody cares about that teleprompter thing since every person in front of a camera including Hannity and Gingrich uses one.
But I do enjoy that you guys keep harping on it. Please don’t stop on my account.
Hannity and Gingrich aren't the leader of the free world.
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 1:54PM EDT (link)Pointless argumement on your point. Unless of course, you are saying that Obama is just a celebrity.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Once again you miss the point
TNJim Saturday, July 11th at 2:07PM EDT (link)David made. Hannity and Gingrinch do not “stumble and bumble” when the teleprompter fails. Obama does. They don’t hesitate and seem to be searching for words when there’s not one in use. Obama does. Hannity and Gingrich don’t appear to be lost without one. Obama does.
But you’re right on one thing. Nobody here really cares about the teleprompter thing. We care about his policies that are systematically taking over the economy piece by piece, nationalizing every major industry in sight, and taxing into oblivion the very people he expects to get the money from to pay for all of it.
“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane
A high 5 Jim. nt
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 2:08PM EDT (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Say, suse, did you know that Sarah Palin's teleprompter
janis Saturday, July 11th at 2:14PM EDT (link)at the RNC last September broke down? That’s right, she had to give the remainder of her 45 minute or so speech from memory. You can say all you want that no one cares about Obama and the teleprompter, but it’s just one more indicator of who the man truly is–he can’t go off written message lest he blurt out something that approaches the truth.
You know, stuff like “It’s time to spread the wealth around.”
Yeah, But Noonan Says That Palin Doesn't Read, so it Doesnt Matter Anyway
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 2:19PM EDT (link)Actually, that’s an awesome tidbit that I forgot. That her teleprompter mlafunctioned half through that awesomely delivered speech is amazing.
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What about Obama *only* answering pre-cleared questions at his White House Press Conferences?
Martin Knight Saturday, July 11th at 2:14PM EDT (link)I hope you won’t mind when we start harping on that as well.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Nobody cares about binky?
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 2:17PM EDT (link)I think your messiah, the great one, the barrack would disagree. The idiot simply cannot get past the ummmms and ahhhs without it.
If you weren’t so far out in lefty land, you could look at any number of wonderful videos that proves my point.
Damn, there’s that REALITY thing again.
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
I warned you to pace yourself, you know.
janis Saturday, July 11th at 11:43AM EDT (link)With this comment, you may well have sunk even lower than your “Pay go” gibberish. Do you people not have any ability to self-reflect at ALL? The reason I ask? Well, it’s because every single criticism you level at Gov. Palin in your remark applies to your tinhorn dictator wannabe, Barrack Obama. He can’t construct a coherent sentence on his own, his recent performance in the area of foreign policy certainly demonstrates a total lack of curiosity, and his economic wizardry? Oh, please. This is the same gumby-headed man who keeps insisting that in order to get out of debt, we need to spend even more, who keeps saying that the stimulus is working when it has produced unemployment figures much worse than the absolute worst that Obama predicted pre-stimulus.
As to knowing how the system works as it was designed by the Constitution, Obama may have, at best, a fleeting notion of that, but only in the context of “How can I cancel that particular right?”
A year ago, Obama didn’t know these were questions. He didn’t care then, he doesn’t care now. I’d rather have anyone–except the likes of you– as POTUS because we know more and care about America more than Barrack Obama.
Cancelling our rights
susanb55 Saturday, July 11th at 1:40PM EDT (link)He has canceled your right to be tortured. He’s also canceled your right to be held indefinitely without trial (Padilla, anyone?)
He still thinks you have a right to be wiretapped, though, just like his predecessor. I kinda wish he’d cancel that right too. Maybe I should write him a letter.
(and you wrote in reasoned paragraphs with sentences that had subjects, verbs and and even dependent clauses. You realize that makes you an elitist who is therefore unqualified for public office? Sorry about that. Maybe next time.)
Bwahahahahaha!
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 2:02PM EDT (link)“He’s also canceled your right to be held indefinitely without trial ”
You don’t keep up with the news, do you?
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
Keeping up with the news
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 2:09PM EDT (link)would imply some connection to reality. Unless, of course, you’re refering to “news” as provided by the main stream (state run) media.
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Have you been held incommunicado for the last couple of years?
janis Saturday, July 11th at 2:09PM EDT (link)Because no one with any exposure to the news, even the MSM here, could have failed to notice that the right to be held indefinitely without trial has been upheld by the Obama administration.
So, yeah, you better get on that letter-writing thing, susieQ, because I’m sure that Barrack is just holding off his final decision on stuff like this while he waits to hear what you personally have to say about it.
As to my writing style, your own remark indicates that you would consider Obama unqualified for public office, too. Congratulations! We finally have one thing we agree on.
She Escaped From Gitmo
Repair_Man_Jack Saturday, July 11th at 2:31PM EDT (link)Just to push garbage out on RS.com. We should feel honored.
Hope is not a plan. Change is not always good.
Oh, really?
aesthete Saturday, July 11th at 2:44PM EDT (link)“He has canceled [sic] your right to be tortured.”
From the LA Times: “even while dismantling these programs, President Obama left intact an equally controversial counter-terrorism tool. Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States.”
One of these countries is France. I encourage you to look up France’s record on the rights of imprisoned combatants, esp. as it pertains to Algeria.
“He’s also canceled your right to be held indefinitely without trial”
Well, just recently, the Obama administration did hold up the right of the government to hold citizens indefinitely without trial (something that I disagree with, by the way).
Any other non-sequiturs you want to toss our way?
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
He also condones using political forces
Steph C Saturday, July 11th at 2:45PM EDT (link)to attack and destroy private citizens who get in the way of what he wants.
Not only does he condone it from his supporters he engages in it himself when he names people who stand against him like Limbaugh and Hannity.
Enjoy it, susanb55, you weren’t careful what you wished for and now you have it. Payback, and there will be payback, can be a ^^^^^
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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susanb55, perhaps YOU could work at constructing coherent sentences, hmmm?
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 11:49AM EDT (link)“It doesn’t really matter if you’re ideas are good ones if you can’t construct a coherent sentence or if you are utterly incurious about foreign policy, economic policy, etc.”
It kind of dilutes your argument about intelligence.
You do want to be taken seriously, don’t you?
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Methinks...
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 12:00PM EDT (link)susanb55 == susanbstupid.
Be respectful, or be banned.
susanb55 Saturday, July 11th at 1:42PM EDT (link)Well, there’s no profanity. That’s good.
There's no respect either. n/t
janis Saturday, July 11th at 1:45PM EDT (link).
susanb55
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 1:51PM EDT (link)Is the 55 personal or a feminist watermark. I’m thinking Susan B. Anthony circa 1855. That’s was her most prolific period.
Is it symbolic? If so, are you feminist?
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susanb55 - Is It The Women's Rights Conventions in Saratoga in 1855?
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 1:58PM EDT (link)Wasnt that the start of the suffragists movment? Wasn’t Anthony the leader?
Am I right?
Contrary to liberal assumptions not all conservatives are ignoratn blockheaded neanderthals.
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And susanb55...
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 5:58PM EDT (link)there is neither profanity or any semblance of intelligent or rational thought in your little pathetic offering.
Feel free to take it personally if you need to feed your victimhood. You are obviously a victim, it’s just that you’re not bright enough to realize that it’s the very establishments that you choose to align yourself with that are the ones victimizing you.
On "valuing education and intelligence"...
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 11:55AM EDT (link)Liberals “value” it.
Conservatives “practice it”.
As far as “caring about government” is concerned, the only care we should have is how to eliminate major pieces of it at the federal level. Note, I said E.L.I.M.I.N.A.T.E. it. Not make it work better. Not “help” more people.
For starters…
Others can add to the list, there are hundreds of departments that should cease to exist, along with ALL of their funding, including block grants, and all of their employees.
Oh, and...
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 11:56AM EDT (link)there’s lot’s of things to criticize Governor Palin for. Your little effort isn’t one of them.
amen, and in fact, how the liberals so value educational degrees is
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 11:58AM EDT (link)one reason many of the rank and file cringe at Soto’s race/gender based views that would allow less qualified applicants to jump over them for promotions.
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
It Explains Why Colleges Grade Inflate.
Repair_Man_Jack Saturday, July 11th at 2:33PM EDT (link)The value the degrees. The hard work to getthem - not so much.
Hope is not a plan. Change is not always good.
A college degree today is about
Steph C Saturday, July 11th at 2:48PM EDT (link)the equivalent of a high school diploma (or less depending on the college) in times when excellence was expected.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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for starters...
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 12:04PM EDT (link)1. A hiring freeze in Washington, DC in all departments. Then [encouraged] retirement for anyone [at any level] who has been serving in government in DC for more than 30 years [I will entertain suggestion to lower it to 25 or 20]
2. Use the “climate change” model for government spending. That is to say, reduce spending to 1992 levels and keep it there.
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
A second "908 Pat..." for #2!! nt
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 12:42PM EDT (link)Drug Czar
susanb55 Saturday, July 11th at 1:43PM EDT (link)totally with you on that one. All “recreational” drugs should be legal, regulated and taxed. And I mean ALL of them which gets my lefty friends all in a tizzy.
Crack Cocaine?
Repair_Man_Jack Saturday, July 11th at 2:37PM EDT (link)There’s a ballsy sort of fecklessness to the purity of that stand. Intellect? Not so much. I guess it’s sort of like Justice Ginsburg. You sell the crack in all the liquor sores and lottery ticket vendors near populations of people the government doesn’t want around….
““Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.” - Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Hope is not a plan. Change is not always good.
Yup if- "All “recreational” drugs should be legal, regulated and taxed. "
Vegas_Rick Saturday, July 11th at 2:44PM EDT (link)Then the statists can quit worrying about “dumbing down” the electorate and just keep them in a drug induced stupor. What better way to win elections!
Tax the drugs? Hell, give ‘em away!
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
That's not why I'd eliminate the DCz.
mbecker908 Saturday, July 11th at 6:00PM EDT (link)I zap him because the position is not effective.
No liberals like to TALK about education and intelligence.
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 12:30PM EDT (link)It’s lip service. If liberals were so concerned about education, there would have been a sonic speed overhaul of the national education system starting in January of 2006 and escalation of the same in January 2009. They are content to provide lip service to a decaying system. The usefulness of the American education system is to create subservient, half educated worker bees, not stimulate free thought, creative answers or any type of path answer problems now or in the future. How’s that voucher program holding out?
As far as intelligence, your side doesn’t hold the upper hand on that one either. Some intelligence is innate enhanced by a solid academic background to discuss, defend and reason ideas and thoughts. (See the above paragraph.) I have yet to meet a liberal that can do that without resorting to emotion or talking points fed from the party.
You can say that liberals value education and intelligence. But that is similar to me saying that I am Queen of the World. It doesn’t make it the truth and the argument of the same holds no solid intellectual content other than opinion.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
you are too harsh on liberals
David Hinz Saturday, July 11th at 12:38PM EDT (link)look at Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Los Angeles, St Louis, Miami, Atlanta et al where the Democrats have been in power for decades.
The school systems in those bastions of liberalism are among the best in the world….
….a long as by “world” we include schools in Kenya, Somalia, Darfur and Pakistan.
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
Doh! You're right! But can I still be Queen of the World?
ocleverone Saturday, July 11th at 12:43PM EDT (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Kenya's education system is actually not bad. [nt]
Martin Knight Saturday, July 11th at 2:18PM EDT (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
I'm sorry, but you lost the ability to criticize our politicians...
Moe Lane Saturday, July 11th at 2:33PM EDT (link)…the first time that somebody made a misogynist joke about one of them in your presence, and you kept your mouth shut like a good, little subservient faux-feminist.
Please. Don’t pretend that it didn’t happen.
Blam.
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liberals define intelligence as glibness and good at lying - nt
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
If Noonan is concerned about the country, she herself could make a difference
katesmith Saturday, July 11th at 4:31AM EDT (link)Assuming pundits mean anything, Peggy has been in a position of influence for many years. If we are in trouble now, she herself is part of the reason. The fact of George Soros and his goals is common knowledge to anyone who’s interested. The ills Noonan says we’re facing have long been plotted by Soros and his billionaire pals. And they’re succeeding because no one is fighting them, including elected Republicans. Noonan could help the country if she wrote about Soros every week. I’ve read he supported McCain’s campaign finance reform. As a result, Soros has been able to buy a president (he had a near-miss with Kerry). I haven’t mentioned Sarah Palin yet because the point is the Beltway is the problem. She’s not entangled with the Beltway which is her best trait to me. The Beltway seems to change most people. As far as Palin being a traveling salesman for the GOP, Christe in NJ already has said he doesn’t want her there. The GOP is also the problem. Why should she campaign for a group of losers who are responsible for all our current problems and who don’t like her? She’s this country’s only hope.
Noonan Missed The Mark Long Before That
Swamp_Yankee Saturday, July 11th at 10:24AM EDT (link)This may be one of the worst paragraphs she’s ever written:
“The elites hate her.” The elites made her. It was the elites of the party, the McCain campaign and the conservative media that picked her and pushed her. The base barely knew who she was. It was the elites, from party operatives to public intellectuals, who advanced her and attacked those who said she lacked heft. She is a complete elite confection. She might as well have been a bonbon.
There is not a sane person is the world that can make th argument that the Palin is a confection of the elites. By calling Palin a “bonbonm” she is decending into Maureen Dowd territory.
Not Dead Yet!
swamp nails the noonan trend: incoherence - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 11th at 4:00PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
Noonan Hasn't Writen a Decent Piece Since '06
Repair_Man_Jack Saturday, July 11th at 10:31AM EDT (link)“A Seperate Peace” was her last interesting contribution.
Hope is not a plan. Change is not always good.
I read Noonan like I read Sullivan
peg_c Sunday, July 12th at 11:22AM EDT (link)Which is to say no longer. Life’s too short to spend it on idiots. That hers are genteel idiocies and not psychotic rantings doesn’t matter.
Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.
George Washington was a quiter!
davo119 Saturday, July 11th at 12:12PM EDT (link)http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=331943545489207
Never give in! Never! Never! Never!
I enjoyed watching Peggy on tv
johnt Saturday, July 11th at 1:58PM EDT (link)a few years back. She seemed to think she was beautiful. At least four to six times during an interview she would toss her head and send the hair flying like a movie star at a PR shoot.
Yes, it’s a shame Sarah isn’t as serious as Joe Biden, Pelosi, Reid, and the two, or is it three, Katzenjammer twins floundering around in the White House.
Did the unfortunately aging Miss Noonan give us examples of GOP stars as examples? Sarah had problems, she was coherent, she didn’t wrap herself up in tongue tied sentences, she was strong while being good humored, and finally she was sane and normal enough to realize that an obscene snake pit liberalism[?] and modern politics is. And that her family means more than surviving and winning in the cess pool that must at times be shared with one of the most hate filled and hate driven segments of the human race, a people so vile and disgusting that the only name for them is “Liberal”.
A word twisted in a twisted language by twisted people.
Sarah, you came along at much the wrong time, Depravity did not welcome you but only recognized you as a mortal threat to it’s diseased self
“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville