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Why is the McCain camp doing what it’s doing?

I mean, he's campaigning in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa... "he can't win those!"

Tom Bevan at the RCP blog is having trouble with Steve Schmidt’s “strategery” for John McCain. After all, McCain is campaigning in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Iowa – all Kerry States – instead of defending the Bush States in which he’s in polling trouble: Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia. Survey says Obama is coasting in each of those States but Indiana, Bevan reminds us, so McCain should be playing defense there.

But the question, as a Republican strategist emailed me yesterday, is why McCain is spending time in states he MIGHT win, when he should be spending time in states he MUST win.

He speculates:

Maybe the McCain camp believes it has to stay on offense somewhere. Maybe they’re skeptical of some of the polling that shows them down in places like Missouri, Virginia and North Carolina. Or maybe they feel that if they’re going to end up losing those states it’s a lost cause anyway.

To be certain, I fault nothing Bevan writes in his post. The economy has the McCain/Palin campaign on the ropes. Obama is not winning this election; rather, the worst economy since forever and ever or the day before has cast a pall on the country. Depressed voters tend to go with the guy least associated with the man in the White House, and it will be tough for Schmidt to get around that.

But how do we answer his questions?


The best political line I’ve heard this campaign is referring to this crisis as the “final verdict on the failed economic policies of the past eight years,” fostered by Bush and supported by McCain. This is laughably nonsensical, of course, but it sounds plausible to the gullible and, when delivered with Obama’s cadence, sounds like either the moral to a fairy tale or the punch line of a bawdy joke.

The election will be held in three weeks. Within that time, the economy could stabilize in ways that affect voters’ day-to-day lives. (For instance, the price of a gallon of gasoline could fall to something like $3.19/gallon, which is what I paid at Sheetz yesterday. My tank was full today, so I did not purchase more at $3.19/gallon.) The governments’ actions could help make credit more readily available. This thing could soften for the consumer. (I am, of course, speculating. Like everyone else here, I rely on Blackhedd on this score.)

The McCain camp can conceivably present a viable alternative to Obama’s meaningless meanderings, at least enough to make many voters uncertain of in which way to turn. At this point, the character and judgment issues kick in. When the nation is in uncertain times, will the average voter want to lurch suddenly in an uncertain direction dictated by cronies and someone who shares intellectual landscape with anti-American agitators like Billy Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, Rev. Wright, and Fr. Pfleger?

If the economy recedes enough as an issue and Obama’s flawed judgment and character move further to the fore, this race could return to a 2, 3, 4 point contest, advantage Obama. At that point, there might be a “Bradley Effect,” but I do not want to begin to speculate how many Democrats are such that they might tell pollsters that they would vote for Obama only to turn on him in the polling place because of his race. Actually, bigger than that will be the “Palin Effect.”

The Palin Effect? It is GOTV. Conventional wisdom, which sounds okay to me in this case, is that President Bush defeated John Kerry because of the excellent Rove-Mehlman Get Out The Vote effort. And this year, the GOTV will be named Sarah, vilified by the media and by quasi-conservative pseudo-intellectuals, afraid of the face value.

I don’t know if I’ve answered Tom Bevan’s question, and I know I could not do so with certainty, but it looks to me like Steve Schmidt is playing to win. You get close enough in as many places as you can, then you let the nature of the conservative voters run its course.

COMMENTS

  • PaRep

    He was on Fox today talking about Gallup being the “GOLD STANDARD” of p[olling & 3 mof the 4 tracking polls moved in Obama’s favor NOT 2 moved towards Obama, Zogby by 1.6% & Hotline which is so BIASED they link Kos’s tracking poll moved 5 points towards Obama Battleground moved a point toward McCain as Did Ras

  • PaRep

    McCain campaign does REAL polling without the Political BS the other pollsters do they live & die with Polling Rasmussen, Hotline, Zogby, Gallup & all the others don’t

    If McCain’s polling is wrong he is DEAD & that Polling Company’s nema is mud in Political circles

  • Dave_in_Fla

    McCain’s internal polling isn’t matching the published polls.

    This could mean McCain knows something we don’t, or his polling is bad. Rove was certain he had good polls in 2006 that showed we wouldn’t have the disaster we did.

    The fact that both McCain and Obama keep going to Wisconsin and Pennsylvania could be significant. Jay Cost used to say back before he went to RCP, that the best polls are the internal campaign polls. The way to tell what those polls tell them and to watch where people go.

    The guys running McCain’s campaign are professionals, they pick their targets for a reason.

    Kind of puts an interesting spin on Obama wanting to buy 30 minutes of prime time, doesn’t it?

  • jerrymcl89

    I would think that McCain is campaigning as though there will be a shift in the political and economic wind in his favor. If there isn’t, he’ll lose anyway, whether or not he wins North Carolina and Missouri.

    • PaRep

      Watch where the campaigns go, Their internal Polling has to be ON, Not make the Campaign Happy BUT ACCURATE, You don’t gamble in Politics you go where you know you have a chance to win

      Unlike Obama who wasted money in North Dakota, Montana, Georgia & Elsewhere

      McCain Hasn’t been in Indiana since July 1st IF he was in trouble Don’t you think he would go there to campaign or at least run Ads?? He isn’t doing that RNC is running a few ads but McCain campaign is not

  • PaRep

    You go where you polling tells you have a chance to win

    • wiseprince

      Obama is up by 15 in PA and he still leaves Joe there on a daily basis. He gets a Bill and Hill to Scranton. This is the only reason I am a little skeptical of recent PA polls.

      Also, I don’t know why but I feel McCain has a really good chance of taking WI. I think Sarah will really help with the GOTV. As for Iowa, I can’t figure out why McCain keeps going there. Even if he thinks he has a legitimate chance it certainly it’s because of him…So send Sarah

  • stephenhalsey

    onto something. You don’t think that Obama 10/29 prime time buy has anything to do with this do you?

    October

  • PSDA

    I’m also wondering what McCain and the RNC are spending their campaign money on.

    As I understand it, Obama has something less than twice as much money, but he’s spending three or four times as much as McCain in key states on advertising along. Add to that his vastly greater number of paid employees and offices.

    What’s going on here? It appears that McCain is sitting on his money–with the intention of an ad blitz and big GOTV effort at the end.

    • wiseprince

      I’ve been saying it for awhile. He needs to shore up NC and IN. Sarah has now been to NC but still no visits to IN. I would feel a little more comfortable if they made some effort there as Obama surprised Hillary in IN.

      His efforts in VA have also puzzled me

      • PaRep

        The McCain campaign hasn’t been there since July 1st & are not running ads, The RNC is but they aren’t

        • Dave_in_Fla

          Or he spends it dumb. I heard 5 commercials for him on my local talk radio station yesterday. This station carries (in order); Beck, Rush, Hannity, Levin, Dennis Miller.

          Not going to be much bang for the buck there. I guess if you are being funded by the Saudi’s though, you have lots of cash to burn.

  • olderthangandalf

    Pennsylvania, I understand. It’s a big state and it’s closer than it looks. The middle of the state is not Obama friendly country, and the polls have not been all that consistent. Obama and Biden have been here a lot, so they obviously also consider it contestable. Depending on turnout, it is not totally nailed down for Obama.

    Wisconsin is still in the “leans” as opposed to “firm” Obama in most aggregations.

    But Iowa? I don’t get it. It’s a small state without that many EVs and the polls have to have been whacko for a long time for it to be close. McCain and Palin have been there a lot.

    It may a Bradley effect thing. For Wisconsin and Iowa, the unspoken factor may be targeting states without a large black population.

  • jvanderwerken

    I can’t believe that people are willing to elect someone with such a shady past as Barack Obama. Someone who has repeatedly flip-flopped on issues and who has such little political experience. Do you care that you are electing someone who associates with communists and socialists? William Ayers is a non-repentant bomber of the United States. Yes, charges were dropped, even though he publicly admitted taking part in the bombings. He has said very recently that he still thinks the Communism is a good thing. It is not just Ayers, however. A common thread runs through many facets of his life. His pastor preaches hate and a “Black Value System” that has racial undertones. If McCain’s pastor subscribed to a “White Value System” there would be all kinds of press about it. I don’t support the KKK and I don’t support black hatred toward whites either. My family is interacial and there is no room for racism anywhere. My decision in this election is based solely on the records and experience of each candidate. Don’t vote for Obama just because you don’t like Bush. John McCain has proven time and again that he is willing to fight for what’s right no matter what side of the fence it is on. VOTE MCCAIN-PALIN!

  • dbecraft

    My gosh folks, with both McCain and our socialist friend Obama going all out for government controls…just who are we actually suppose to vote for?

    We are so messed up as a country that even the conservatives are giving up control to the government. I am just about to give up here… Go McCain – the lesser Socialist!…our motto…

    • PaRep

      Just like campaigning in North Dakota, Montana, Georgia & other states

  • dld1717

    Obama just bought 30 minutes of airtime on CBS and is said to be trying to do same on NBC and Fox

    The polls in NC, IN, MO, and now even FL are startling in that Obama last week dumped huge amount of money in these states

    In FL Obama spent nearly 3 mill for week of 6th compared to less then 1 mill for McCain

    Why and How is Obama outspending McCain by so much?

    I would pull out of Iowa I think its back to it liberal roots and the state has never liked McCain for skipping its caucuses.

    They need to focus big time on OH, VA, and CO (Send every viable Republican to these 3 states)

    • Dave_in_Fla

      But still win carrying the rest of the Bush states, if you get either Iowa or Wisconsin.

      Doing this from memory (might be wrong). Bush had 285 EVs, McCain can lose NM (5) and CO (9) and still have 271. But you also lose Iowa, you are under 270. You need to either hold Iowa or flip Wisconsin to counter.

      Of course, if you flip Penn, it is all moot.

      • MrSandman

        n/t

  • Hestrold

    Campaigns either hold ground or take ground with a fair amount of head fakes along the way. But Cost said for years that the best indication of the state of the race is to look where the campaigns spend their precious time. If McCain holds the same states that Bush won, he wins. If any of these are clearly out of reach, he has to take a blue state. Is he whistling past the graveyard? Maybe, but the media polls are garbage and, in a year that should have Obama BIG, he really isn’t.

  • Tazz

    http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=192423

    • Dave_in_Fla

      If Obama has this huge lead, heading to a landslide, why buy 30 minutes of primetime?

      If I were sitting on a huge lead with plenty of extra cash, I’d be working to help the down the ballot candidates. I’d want as big a majority in Congress as I could get to help me enact my agenda.

      Neither McCain nor Obama are acting in a rational way, given the conventional wisdom regarding the state of the race.

      • jimmuy8

        If you’ll assume that McCain goes and spends money where his internals show him with a chance to win, then you have to give Obama that benefit too, yes?

        How much is partisan blinders that wants to say he is a dumb rookie and how much is because he really is a dumb rookie?

        I say he is a dumb rookie who is throwing Hail Marys trying to fake McCain out. Look, McCain’s team doesn’t have as it’s biggest hotshot some fool who thinks he is gold because he got a liberal elected in Mass. That’s like saying I’m a genius because I can find sand in a desert. Yeah, they are smart. But, they’ve always played with “house money.” No one on his team has had to run against a real Republican, as far as I know. Who, on his team, has run a national campaign or a successful campaign in a red state?

        • PaRep

          Are you saying the Liberal Drive By Media is conventional wisdom???

          • Han_Pritcher

            To inflating the margin of victory. That would be a rational reason to spend that money that way, this late in the race. Nobody here has seen Obama’s internals, but if they’re anything like the public polling he may just be trying to boost the numbers as high as he can.

            It’s one possible explanation, anyway.

  • redsblkout

    I am afraid this campaign is over.
    I think McCain’s lies this late in the game is going to kill him, so why bother lying at this point in time.

    The astoshing comments of Cindy McCain seems very disturbing and sad at the time she commented about the vote Obama made agains $$ for the war when McCain her husband did exactly the same.

    I actually reseached it. Boy do I hate lies and who knows where my vote will go.

    I am tired of this whole thing because I can now see it is over for McCain and all this desperation anticks is hurting evem more. He cannot recover from this one.

    Just tired because of all this mess

    • PaRep

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      • PaRep

        Koncerned about Astroturfing

        • Han_Pritcher

          By posting this sort of thing. It’s really not even funny.

          • dbecraft

            two, he is going all out to win. three, he is going to pour all of his money into winning…(after all winning is everything to him)…and he has plenty of money coming in from questionable sources…(not to worry, that will only come out after the election)…

            If you actually doubt that, just look at the idiocy that goes around about him (probably financed by him and the party).

            Can we get a few more kinder garden kids to release a video praising him… Well, how about a few more other idiots…

            The MSM is going to be to blame for this election and should be held responsible!

          • Dave_in_Fla

            So having an imperative to flip a blue state because losing VA is a forgone conclusion doesn’t make sense. How can Penn be competitive, but Virginia not?

            Makes no sense.

  • HairGuy

    I lived in Wisconsin not too very long ago. First, besides Madison, I don’t really see it as a huge Obama type state. I could be off, but I doubt it.

    In any case, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Minnesota, and rural Illinois tend to have very similar demographics. It is not at all uncommon for them trend together on national elections. Write off Illinois for obvious reasons, and if Wisconsin is even close (which I thinks it’s far closer than the polls we see), you can essentially campaign there and appeal to the rest of the upper Midwest. There’s a lot of bang for the buck there.

    As for Florida going Obama +5 or whatever Rasmussen is saying…please!

    • MrSandman

      They want to crush the GOP….not just win the WH.

      I’ll guess we’ll see how funny this all is soon enough.

      • Dave_in_Fla

        That you are a Democrat. I can only hope that someday you will see the light, we could use more like you on our side. :)

  • Roving_Theologian

    Much has been written the past few days on various blogs about the bad make-up of pretty much all the polls (too many Dems, to many Dems from secure populations, etc). The mainstream media, including mainstream conservatives (NRO for example), have simply accepted the polling because it matches the assumed narrative – horrible economic news is good for Obama.

    But the facts are that McCain is spending a lot of time in Ohio, WI, MN, CO, PA and Iowa (and in Ohio his rallies will be carried in western PA). This points to their internal data showing them either tied, slightly behind, or slightly ahead, and so they are going after primary blue states from 04 and trying to protect CO and OH (in CO they have also been doing a lot of work for our Rep candidate, Bob Schaeffer, who despite being out of Congress since 2002 when retired to keep his term limit pledge the Dems are blaming for the econ crisis).
    Fact is that Obama is buying medai time on CBS (and he hopes other networks) which seems a desperate ploy (didn’t Dole do this in 1996 and Thompson at the end of the Rep primary…this is not the choice of someone ahead).

    Fact is that McCain did not feel the need to go hard at Obama on Tuesday night but we still saw Obama get petulant, especially on the foreign policy questions, which is the actions of someone trailing.

    Look, whatever the outcome is, this is going to be a 2-6 point election and either side could blow it from here on out. McCain is playing offense in IA, WI and PA, that is always a positive sign. I think it is time for the mainstream to change narratives and get ready for a tight election night or else we are going to see another “Dewey Defeats Truman” kind of dumbfounded look.

  • DavidSage

    My guess is the map in 2008 is going to look a lot like the map in 2004. There might be a lot of angry voters, but I have a hard time believing states that haven’t gone Democrat in 30-40 years are going to suddenly turn blue, especially for someone as liberal as Obama.

    If McCain loses a state like Indiana (he won’t), it’s over no matter what. The other true swing states would be lopsided victories for Obama.

    Remember that a Democrat President hasn’t gotten 50% of the vote in over 30 years.

    If McCain wins Ohio and either Colorado or New Mexico, he’s President. These states usually go Republican. If he peels off a Wisconin or Pennsylvania, it’s impossible for Obama to win in any realistic scenario. The electoral college favors McCain in that he really only has to hold on to the Red/Red Leaning States in order to become President. Obama in contrast has to win over traditionally Republican states in order to win the White House.

    I think we should take this as a sign of encouragement where he’s campaigning.

    • PaRep

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      • Han_Pritcher

        I wish more of you folks would stop assuming we’re all idiots or have horns or hate our country. Part of why I do this is to try to make that point.

        Seriously, decent and reasonable people can disagree. And trolls are idiots, regardless of what forum they troll. Contrarians can be useful, those who disrupt serve no purpose.

        But I appreciate the sentiment, so thank you.

        • Dave_in_Fla

          Since Dick Morris was Bill Clinton’s strategist in 1992 and 1996, that might actually be a null set.

          • BlueLandRed

            When the odds are long and you have to win, first you need to figure out path to victory and then play that way, and hope for the best. I’ve certainly won a number of bridge hands that way.

            And that’s certainly how Obama won the primaries.

  • Illinicon

    Iowa is a liberal state and McCain being anti-ethnol sealed his fate their. Since Michigan has voted in Presidential Election (1832) it has voted with Pennslyvania all but 5 times (1848, 1912, 1932, 1940, and 1976) so if you have raised the white flag in Michigan you should likely do it in Pennslyvania also. If I were the McCain camp the only Kerry states I would be targeting are ME, MN, NH, WI.

    • Han_Pritcher

      The varsity team includes far too many who should be in JV or the stands.

      • dbecraft

        electorate seems to believe what they read in the newspapers and form their opinion with that understanding… What a problem we have created… The MSM lies at will to protect their candidate and the idiot readers actually believe them!

        Can you imagine a worse condition for the election of the “peoples” government… mercy…

        • Fallon

          It’s all anecdotal but… whatever. I talked to a lot of voters in Green Bay a few weeks ago. The Wisconsin Republicans are fired up.

          My sister and her husband are typical organic granola liberals living in the Madison area. They have soured on Obama and can’t stand Biden. They said they think Obama will further erode our rights as citizens. They are both voting Green Party. I know, my sister and I had the same upringing yet have completely different outlooks on life, but I think there are more in Wisconsin like her and her husband.

          I wanted to argue about the validity of the Green Party but instead, I encouraged them, lol. They would be counted as Obama voters in any demographer’s study but they’re not. They’d rather throw their votes away on a third party than vote for Obama/Biden. More power to them.

          • BlueLandRed

            I think it’s part Obama’s massive ego (Hey, look at me, I’m on TeeVee) and part because he’s got extra cash. Plus, if he starts to run low on cash, (unlikely, but who knows) he can probably opt out of the spot for a small penalty.

          • BlueLandRed

            Obama gambled on the 50 state strategy. Sad to say, it looks like a couple of them might flip.

          • dbecraft

            difference between parties… It’s all about who is in power.

            Do you see the end of democracy coming? I do…

          • Moe_Lane

            Heck, my mother’s a Democrat (actually, my dad’s a Democrat; my mother’s practically a Trotskyite). The problem is that we routinely deal with the online type, who tend to be anonymous, and thus prone to this (language warning).

  • Dave_in_Fla

    Does Cindy have a house in the Dells?

    Call it desperation, call it bad polls, call it dumb campaigning. But McCain (and Obama!) clearly think the epicenter of this campaign is Wisconsin, not Colorado.

    Both McCain and Palin were there today. This is after Palin’s rock concert tour through Florida where she pulled in 50,000+ at each venue. Anyone hear how many Biden pulled in today in Florida (I really don’t know)?

    • PaRep

      RIGHT ??

      • Han_Pritcher

        I just recently convinced another perfectly nice Democrat to marry me. But I’d be perfectly happy if our children (down the line) go a different way politically.

        And I’ve got Republican friends, of course. It’s been harder talking to a few of them of late. Campaign/election mode strains these things (aside from the Obamacan friend, which is an entirely different situation). Still, these things cool down in time.

        • dbecraft

          ie, one of those who actually believe in doing what is better for America – NOT power…

          You can currently call them liberal Democrats rather than Socialist Democrats (todays venue).

          Yes, they actually had the countries benefit at heart…no longer with today’s Democrats. You should know that by looking at our wonderful Congress…

          Pelosi, Reid, give me a break… They could care less about anything except their own power positions…

          If you do not see the change, you are the one at fault, not the so called Democrats (Socialists/Marxists)…

          • PaRep

            Most of my family & Friends are too, We can get pretty heated in arguing, But at the end of the Day we are Family & Friends First, Politics Second

          • dbecraft

            the McCain campaign!! Sorry to say that it is true…

          • Dave_in_Fla

            Literally my three best friends in the world are liberal Democrats.

            Of course two of them are voting McCain. :)

            As much as they want social justice, they don’t trust Obama. The third wants to vote for a biracial candidate. I just threw my hands up when I heard that.

  • spencerwencer

    As someone who has volunteered for McCain since January (when everyone said he had no shot), someone please reassure me we have a chance. I am dreading a horrible loss, with a Democratic Senate and House. I have to admit, I have some faith in my fellow citizens, but I don’t know…

    • PaRep

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  • PaRep

    LOL!!!

    • Moe_Lane

      Laughably faux-bad spelling and grammar, no sense of rhythm, and a style that makes everybody roll their eyes. Every day we get a few of them, and they never get any better.

      I simply don’t understand why they bother. If you ana…

      Excuse me.

      Blam.

      …anyway, if you analyze the last six years or so, you can see that the Left-sphere’s in that weird space where they’re very large, very loud, very lucrative… and very, very ineffectual outside of money raising. Before you say “2006,” bear in mind that I’ve spent the last two years helping Mitch McConnell and John Boehner stamp all over the 110th Congress with big, shiny boots: S-CHIP, the War, FISA, you name it, we got it, the Left-sphere didn’t. This isn’t working for them, and yet they keep doing it.

      Very odd.

      • Dave_in_Fla

        Even in your anger, you know that isn’t true.

  • text97

    …inside the highest levels of the McCain camp, giving them faulty advice. There really have been times we have been shaking our head just wondering WTF they’re thinking.

    Further, before everyone thinks I’m engaging in conspiracy theories, we did have that pro-Obama caller into Limbaugh a few months back bragging that Obama HQ has a mole in the highest levels of the McCain HQ. Yeah, I know that’s hardly proof of anything, but it did make me think…

    Can anyone doubt that the strategy employed so far has been questionable?

    • MrSandman

      Also….

      BO knows the “Bradley Effect” is real. There is a given percentage of this country that will never vote for a black man for president.

      Please. Before anyone gets in a twist.

      Racists can, and do, come from all spectrum of political and socioeconomic backgrounds. I’ve no doubt there are plenty of hippie libs and folks of color who harbor such hatred in their heart.

      What else could explain the relative tightness?…given the enormous odds John McCain has faced from the beginning.

      • dbecraft

        but that would mean that he had more common sense…hehe.

        • dbecraft

          the stock market (most already have) and hunker down… The future is not looking bright…

          • Han_Pritcher

            Of a somewhat different political forum, I actually appreciate your situation more than you might imagine.

            Trolls are trolls.

            Kudos on your accomplishments. Getting things done (or even prevented) from the minority isn’t a small thing.

          • Illinicon

            I am just saying wins in those states are pretty unlikely and I think 85-90% of people on the site would agree with me. I did make a slight error on the PA/MI vote in my first post. Both states did vote for TR in 1912. Of the 4 times the states voted differnt 2 of those times MI voted for their losing native sons in Lewis Cass (1848) and Gerald Ford. The states each voted aganist FDR once (MI-1940 and PA-1932) putting PA on the winning side 3 out of the 4 times they voted opposite of each other, so if you are going to campaign in one state and not the other atleast they are picking the right one. If your a Phils fan good luck, because your going to need it with how bad the Dodgers torched my Cubs.

          • dbecraft

            with his programs, I get very scared… I tend to let the Democrats do that as long as they are not in power…coming up, the worst of my worries…

          • PaRep

            he’s trying for the Inds. & “UNDECIDEDS”

          • Dave_in_Fla

            Either give McCain a win, if NM and Iowa are lost.

            But then McCain keeps going back to Iowa too, go figure.

          • Dave_in_Fla

            I don’t know what they know. I can speculate on multiple reasons why their current activities make complete sense. And the McCain staff has worked many more winning elections than the Obama staff.

          • dbecraft

            Geez… are you kidding me? If he even begins to suggest socialist ideas to fix the problem, he is over the top!

            I don’t give a damn about independents when he suggests such fixes…my gosh, where are your values! I give up, it seems that too many of you are ready to give up your own ideas for the sake of power (winning)… just like the Democrats!!

  • tippycanoe

    When the curtain is pulled and “undecided” Joe readies himself to pull the lever, or fill the circle, or push a button, in the privacy of that moment, will all the swirling doubts about past associations and unknowns and unconscious prejudices cause a moment of reflection and pause? Placing those doubts in the path of Joe Undecided is our trump card right now. Perhaps the McCain-Palin team is finally getting it right, playing the game like winners and calling a _ a _. I also put a lot of stock in the Palin factor, because you feel a lift when you have a super athlete on your team, and she’s got it. So, I think it’s a combination of more realiable poll numbers, swimming against the tide that says talk “economy” when those who say so are dems or their willing accomplices, and a decision to run to win. Patton didn’t shore up anything, he just went for it. I heard today in Wisconsin the beginnings of a run to Berlin, hopefully.

    • PaRep

      of my family & friends are D’s I just don’t like the Oppostion muddying up a Reps. site, I am a HUGE Steeler Fan I do not go to the Cleveland Message Board & talk about how bad they are & how bad we are going to kick there butts & stuff like that,

      Same thing with the Pittsburgh Penguins I am Believe it or not a Mod on pensunderground.com Evilpens is who I am there I wouldn’t go to a Philly Flyer Board & talk trash on them, Just Not my style, I have No ill will towards you believe me

      • PaRep

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  • SeanH90050

    from ARG that came out today since they caught me off guard on RCP. While I question the methodology of some (like 55% D to 35% R in WV – I know they have a decent majority there, but come on) but they all point to one thing – the GOP base seems pretty solid across the board.

    It’s the independent votes in MO, MT, NH, OH, and WV all are favoring Obama by 9% (MO) to 36% (NH) margins, and making the difference where the sample appears more representative. The MN numbers look like what we’ll need from all of these states McCain seems to be focusing on in the Great Lakes/Upper Mid-West region to win. So perhaps if his internals look like that, there is something to his madness.

    He really needs to listen to the guy who screamed at him in WI today though and get mad about the specter of socialism. Hopefully the Ayers/New Party stores can win some of the I’s over as well. Hopefully the ad blitz is about the be unleashed.

    • PaRep

      Mark McCellan (sp) who was the ad guy for Bush said he would not be involved in a campaign against Obama

      • PaRep

        Reps. Thinks it always has to be about you & it isn’t it’s about the Inds. & Undecideds as Much as you & I might hate it that is a FACT

        • Mark_Kilmer

          If the Bradley Effect is real, Obama is worried about the Dem racists. If Obama loses the election because of this Bradley Effect, it will be because of the Dem racists.

          The Republican racists wouldn’t vote for him regardless of his skin or an Effects.

          And remember, the Bradley Effect requires not just racists, but specifically racists who would lie about it to pollsters.

          • PaRep

            How are they going to prove I’m not? They have to trust you

          • dbecraft

            Can you even begin to think AMERICA First! Do you really think that America can withstand an onslaught by the idiotic leftist politicians in conjunction with the MSM? We are in big trouble and all you can say is that is is about me….geez.

            I am way too old to care what happens to the country in 10 years (can you say dead and don’t care)…but do care about it for my son. Not you, you obviously do not care and maybe hope for some government help… Either you have no children to worry about or you are just an idiot… I’ll take the latter…

          • PaRep

            Just don’t want to tell a Pollster that they won’t vote for the Black Guy & they are voting for the white Guy

            Other than being called a Child Molester what is worse than being Labeled as a Racist in this Politically Correct world we live in today

          • SeanH90050

            I’m an Independent, because they didn’t ask me which party to register with at the DMV. So I could move a poll to the right, and be honest, as easy as others could to the left.

            Besides, you seem to miss the underlying point of my post: I’s are the ball game in these states. We all know you’ve never read a poll you trust in any way shape or form unless it says what you want. But there is logic in their reporting.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    That would put me with the Vietnamese, Richard Kimball, Claire Sargent, Ed Ranger and countless others littering the landscape.

    I will stay with the “underdog”, thank you.

    • PaRep

      How do they quantify they are I’s

      • dbecraft

        Me, I question everything that any politician says and really, you should also. They would not be in politics unless they could persuade people. The problem is that they can be WRONG and you have to make that decision. You are the one that is giving up on their job!

        • MrSandman

          I grew up in a biracial family in urban PA, OH, and MI. Around that area you can’t throw a stick a couple times without hitting a racist Democrat.

          There’s a little town just north of Akron called Cuyahoga Falls. It used to be called “Caucasian Falls”. My little brother and sister where the only two black kids in that school system when we moved there in 1979. I wish I could say those were good memories but the hate we experienced in that town was palpable.

          I still have lots of family in that part of the country….and I would certainly live in OH again if the circumstances merited….but not in C Falls. That town can go to hell.

          • pwest

            I put this out there other day. I have a former student who works for McCain’s campagin in Virginia, and the campagin is sending him to MO from Oct 31-Nov 5. I asked him if he thought they were confident about winning VA, and he said yes. The campaign would not send him to MO if they felt they were going to lost VA.

            He believes the southern part of the state will carry the day. I have to believe the campaign wouldn’t send him if they needed him in VA. They can’t be that dumb.

          • jeffweimer

            They’re spending quite a bit of time here in the Old Dominion, and were in NC very recently

          • dld1717

            This is so odd

            I am more confident about Missouri then Virginia

          • pwest

            right. In 1996, Bob Dole had to come to Alabama to sure up his electorial votes here. If I see McCain or Palin in Alabama, I’ll know it is over.

            I haven’t seen one McCain ad here; I’ve seen one Obama ad. That’s it. Dave is right on; if Obama wins Indiana or Alabama it’s over.

          • PaRep

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          • dld1717

            I think many in McCain camp think the map will look similar to 04 and Bush nearly won WI

            I think McCain camp is underestimating new voters and this is what I fear. I believe young voters are coming out this cycle.

            McCain needs to send Palin for a few days in VA and CO; let her go around state by herself and ratchet up support in anyway she can.

          • PaRep

            Great Post

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Republicans have a tough time in IA, but McCain isnt even an IA Republican.

    • He’s opposed to ethanol.
    • Natural disasters make people more sypmathetic to big goverment and they were devasted by the floods
    • McCain wasnt even popular in the primary
    • IA Republicans like Leach are supporting Obama

    • I get Wisconsin. Bush lost by 1% twice and Palin and McCain fit the state better.

    • PA looks iffy – but that is one state with a real “Bradley Effect”. Republcians win without the Philadelphia machines and corruption. Phili is one of the most racist cities in the U.S. I’m not sure what white working Phili will do in the end.

    • dbecraft

      but what the hey…so are the rest of America… Welcome to the crowd…

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Republicans have a tough time in IA, but McCain isnt even an IA Republican.

    • He’s opposed to ethanol.
    • Natural disasters make people more sypmathetic to big goverment and they were devasted by the floods
    • McCain wasnt even popular in the primary
    • IA Republicans like Leach are supporting Obama

    • I get Wisconsin. Bush lost by 1% twice and Palin and McCain fit the state better.

    • PA looks iffy – but that is one state with a real “Bradley Effect”. Republcians win without the Philadelphia machines and corruption. Phili is one of the most racist cities in the U.S. I’m not sure what white working Phili will do in the end.

    • ohiobeagle

      Why does this half-hour TV buy weird me out so much? It’s plain creepy. Who in their right mind is going to watch this?

  • dld1717

    Why the heck is McCain camp not running an ad in PA with Obama in San Fran mocking PA voters values about guns and religion?

    McCain can win PA he should do much better in Western PA then even Bush did

    • pwest

      St. Louis voter fraud! We need to turn out, turn out, turn out! And if you’re confident about MO then that’s a good thing.

      I think McCain is woried about voter fraud.

      We need to check and see if Dole bought time on TV.

      • PaRep

        Breaking law in Ohio Election law, Just On Greta Van Susteren Show More coming up

  • PaRep

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  • Onetimer

    yes I’m voting for Obama and yes I just registered to make this comment.

    That said I have a curious opinion that I wanted to get some feedback on (and I repeat it is just an opinion so no need to get too worked up about it):

    John McCain doesn’t really want to win this election anymore.

    I think that while McCain is definitely angry that he isn’t winning this race outright on the merits of his service, experience and positions, the need to go negative in order to have a shot has soured him on both the process and the prize.

    I also think that deep (or even not so deep) down he also recognizes that the ongoing crisis falls in an area he has never shown much interest in, and that because of this he isn’t the right man at the right time for this job.

    And as a man who I truly believe does put country first (though I also feel that way about Obama), I think it is this realization that has him seemingly treading water while the political earth erupts around him and his base screams for blood.

    Though with high level of stakes, money, power (and, of course ego) involved in the outcome of this race, he quite obviously still has to go through the motions even though his own personal heart just isn’t in it anymore.

    Anyway, I know it sounds a bit out there, but that’s my theory.

    • PaRep

      .

      • Georgeroberts

        This is what must defeat Obama

        Beware the Chameleon Videos

        Photos and data on Obama Odinga

        Obamas own words from his “Audio Book” Also Exerts from “Reverend Wrong”

        Proof Obama heard the G– d— America Speech

        Obama Guilt by association

        • bigredwig

          I live in SW PA, and work at a Union facility with folks from PA, WV, and OH. While the Union propaganda might back Barack Hussein Obama, or Barry Soetoro, or whatever his name really is…the guys I work with are not! I don’t know how accurate the polls are, but I do know that there is a lot of McCain/Palin support around here.

          • Mary_Contrary

            The NRA has only just begun.

            Don’t forget about all the bitter clingers in states like PA. We’ll dump our respective labor unions in the blink of an eye if our hunting rights are threatened.

          • gensec

            Hey if he wasn’t silly, he wouldn’t be an Obama supporter. But he was polite and I wouldn’t put him in the the same category as the whackamole trolls Moe is running around to euthanize.

            As for the “substance”, there are obviously some things that McCain wouldn’t be willing to do to win the election, but wanting to lose?? That’s a too silly to waste more keystrokes on.

          • neum432

            NT

          • pwest

            I found the answer: Perot bought 30 minutes in 1992, Dole bought 5 minuets in 1996, and Fred did do a commerical in either Iowa or South Carolina. All three lost! Who knows?

          • Moe_Lane

            Seriously. :)

            As for your comment: you just keep believing that.

            Moe Lane

          • gensec

            If you had any links worth clicking on, you would have made your case intelligently instead of thinking oversized fonts are the way to be taken seriously.

  • Tim_Schieferecke

    With all of the skeletons Obama is trying to keep in his overstuffed closet, this election is going to remain fluid to the very end. I generally agree that when an economy goes south the party in power pays a huge cost, the DEMOCRATS are the clear reason this time. Obama is so dirty, he’ll never wash the Acorn, Odinka, Logan Act violating Iraq meddling and friendship with Ayers off his slimy hands. He WILL NOT win this election. I predict here and now that he will be crushed in a landslide by the time the election finally gets here. Senator McCain is doing the right thing by hitting the bricks in so called “lost cause” states. He needs to put his time in there. Senator McCain is finally realizing that it’s going to take him saying what needs to be said to get this information out. I say again, Obama is going to get crushed in the election. We still don’t like socialists and we especially don’t like socialists who are on friendly terms with terrorists in America. Make book on it.

    • Onetimer

      I mean, aren’t you guys all wondering why he hasn’t gone on the attack as you seemingly wish he would?

      And it’s not so much that he wants to lose, but rather that what it would seemingly take to win goes too much against his own personal grain.

      Like I said before, I’m pretty sure John McCain thinks he should be up 15 points just based on his record of service alone and the fact that he is not has left him a bit disillusioned.

  • Raven

    Oh, and I’m going to the rally McCain and Palin are hosting right in Murtha’s stronghold.

    He may not have a chance to win PA but he has a Good chance to help unseat 2 awful Dem congressmen…

  • amylynn76

    I am beyond concerned about my state (IN) turning “blue” this year. I see an Obama spot at nearly every commercial break and now I hear he has bought a 1/2 hour time slot on certain networks. While I realize there is a difference in funds, I’m concerned the associations attacks are not enough, let’s not stop them, however, how about how disasterous his economic plan is. I am also very angy and worried about what an Obama presidency could bring. I hope this campaign steps it up in the toss up states. I don’t know what’s going on. I had to track down yard signs (drive 40 miles) to go door to door in my small rural town that should be for McCain but I had been seeing so many Obama signs that I was furious. I had been trying for weeks to contact someone to no avail. WHERE IS EVERYBODY? WHERE ARE THE COMMERCIALS? I took it upon myself when my emails and phone calls were not answered to drive to our state headquarters, where I was FINALLY able to get some door hangers and yard signs. I hope it’s not this hard for everybody that wants to help. I know the lefties are all over this state equipped w/plenty of garbage to hand out. HELP

    • Finrod

      Indianapolis is 105% registered and ACORN’s been caught at voter fraud in Lake County. I’m just hoping that Indiana is solid enough that the other side can’t cheat it away, because they sure seem to be trying.

      • Onetimer

        As to what you and I believe, well, we both know where our votes are going, right?

        Cheers.

        • pwest

          another for what it is worth! I check out the history of long ads. Perot bought 30 minutes of time in 1992; Dole bought 5 minutes in 1996 to air from 9:55-10:00, and Thompson, bought a long ad this year as well. Man, Fred Thompson, that seems like so long ago.

  • therightguy

    After this week’s debate, either McCain is throwing the fight, or he can’t pull the trigger. It reminds me of boxers that are past their prime and the mind knows, but the body cannot follow through, or follow through quickly enough. He’s let so many opportunities slip buy that I have to wonder if he is shot. On top of this he throws non-sense around like buying up mortgages. Whoever he hired to advise him and run his campaign should never work in that field again and why he used them considering that people like Dick Morris is available is incredible. No, the ship is sinking and the said part is that Sarah Palin is on it. I hope I am wrong, as the other choice is unpalatable, but it doesn’t look good.
    Jim
    http://www.therightguyshow.com

    • Moe_Lane

      I know exactly where my vote is going: straight into a time-on-target artillery barrage. :)

      • dbecraft

        and was smart enough to move… Your problem is?

        • Tim_Schieferecke

          He’s got too many skeletons in his closet and McCain IS naming names now. With him doing it, the media filter is broken and the truth will come out. Obama will not be in the lead much longer. His polls will decline steadily from now till the election and make McGovern look like a contender.

          • Onetimer

            And I guess we’ll see.

          • SeanH90050

            Is Barlett going to hold of Dougherty? That was my old home district… the only sensible one in MD.

          • simpson316

            So, when you get party numbers in MO polls, you always have to take them with a grain of salt.

          • Tim_Schieferecke

            Obama will fundamentally change this country. If the constitution were a person, he wouldn’t even bother giving it its last cigarette before putting it before the firing squad.

          • Swamp_Yankee

            New RNC ad to run in Indiana n/t

          • Andromsoft

            luckily no one on the Obama/Biden ticket has threatened gun rights, let alone hunting rights. I think gun control might be a moot point in this election.

          • dbecraft

            people are retrieving their money from the markets… The long term prospects do not look good – actually look like Socialism.

          • olderandwiser

            As a former dem turned Republican, big fan of Sarah Palin, I managed to convince my Obama-primary-voting husband to turn against Obama, he has mucho respect for John McCain, and he adores Sarah. What did the trick? Judicious application of facts about Obama’s record.

            Independents are very persuadable, and they are now paying more attention. McCain Palin have chosen the right time to turn up the heat.

            Another hopeful anecdote — my former boss, a yellow-dog democrat who has contributed to the DNC in every election cycle since forever, will be voting for McCain Palin — He has even put up a Palin sign in his yard (he cut the McCain part off the sign!) I guess going all the way to ENDORSE McCain was too much — but his vote will be in the right place!

          • IJB

            Skulls-full-of-mush younger voters don’t turn out to vote.

            Believe me, I know one skull full of mush who should be a slamdunk for Obama, but I bet in the end she doesn’t even vote.

            It’s the people who are panicky about bank runs and breadlines that I’m far more worried about…

          • pwest

            stay that way until after the election. Drag all your friends to the polls; McCain/Palin needs every last one of you guys and gals. Turn out, Turn out, Turn out!

            Did you vote for Kerry last time; if you don’t mind me asking?

          • Onetimer

            obviously I disagree.

            And since I think it is safe to say that we’re all pretty fundamentally committed to our positions and the reasons we hold them, it seems prudent to leave it at that.

            So I’ll just say good luck and ask that we all try to remember that the reality is we’re all in this together no matter who wins what office and we’re going to need to take that to heart in the very serious times approaching.

            Strange days indeed.

          • dld1717

            PA, WI, IA, OH, and next week VA looks like her schedule

          • JoeG

            William Ayers is a non-repentant bomber of the United States. Yes, charges were dropped,

            He got off on an evidentiary ruling.

          • Tim_Schieferecke

            Why keep your money locked up in the stock market when Obama is just going to seize it when he takes office? I ask that question rhetorically, because I don’t think he’s even going to be close to McCain in the final analysis, but it’s having an extremely detrimental effect right now. . People ARE divesting from the market because of the prospect of Prez Obama. It’s ALL about the fear of socialism right now. I’m no economist, but I think things will stabilize pretty quick once McCain is elected.

  • beyondrightwing

    I just don’t get it. I’ve been studying and following politics for over 30 years and I have never seen what I have been witnessing for the past several weeks.

    A few days before the last debate the McCain camp began a brilliant attack on Obama from all sides. Then just one day before the debate McCain calls Obama a lair! With just 4 weeks before the election the McCain camp was placing doubt in the minds of the electorate and not giving them or the MSM time to relieve it. BRILLIANT!

    Then the debate comes and I continued to wait for McCain to give a quick answer to one of any of the questions posed and look into all our eyes and explain why he called him a lair and what he believes an Obama presidency would mean, from the heart. And I continue to wait.

    Every time I think about it I get a pain in my gut. Why would he do this? Why would he go into that debate with so much momentum and then let it all go? I?m at a loss. So I ask again, is John McCain throwing this election?

    • Tim_Schieferecke

      You do seem like a fairly cordial person though, so I’ll leave it at that.

      • Moe_Lane

        We’re going nowhere. :)

        • Tim_Schieferecke

          That is, at least for Senator McCain. John McCain is all about duty and honor, and the more personal interaction with the audience didn’t lend itself well at all for an effective return salvo in his eyes. Thank God the next debate is not in that format!

          Now, I’m going to try to make you feel better. McCain absolutely took the gloves off today in Wisconsin. He was naming names and saying he is going to investigate the Freddie and Fannie fiasco when he’s Prez. He named Barney Frank and Chris Dodd by name. He’s going to be making a lot of hay. I do not believe Obama’s polls will go any higher than they are at present and will steadily decline until his defeat. I feel it in my gut. If McCain goes out every day till election with both barrels blazing like he did today, it won’t even be close in the final analysis. Obama is like the Tower of Babel. He’s built on sand, and the media mortar that he’s held together with is crumbling.

          • dbecraft

            could retain her job from Virginia… (nice low taxes). I still see no reason why you remain under MD’s hold… Try again…

  • zsmvf6

    He is showing himself to be quite the political tactician with respect to his timing of raising the issues. He was not my choice for the republican nomination, and I do not agree with him 100%, but my respect for him has grown tremendously.

    • dbecraft

      home…so taking that in mind, I hope you can convince her…heh. Had the same problem…(taxes helped).

  • krabal

    Tim, it sounds to me like you might be trying to convince yourself. You keep hitting the thread over the head with the idea that McCain is going to win because now he’s begin to expose Obama. It appears to me to be an attempt to validate your viewpoint, that or you don’t care how redundant you are. Many of the people commenting at this blog who were extremely optimistic have changed tune as of late. That has certainly influenced my view of the race.

    I’m nearly positive that you’re guilty of at least one of two things: you really like the sound of your own voice and don’t care to evaluate the words of others which causes you to be redundant, and/or you don’t actually have a supreme belief of certainty in what you’re saying.

    Earlier in the thread you wrote “Obama WILL fundamentally change this country”. You didn’t write “Obama would”. Maybe that’s the most telling statement about where you stand.

  • DaBoogieMan

    **when everyone, including myself, thought Yosemite Sam had no chance in the primary fight. Now, with the entire MSM dogging him and Palin on a daily basis, don’t count out ole Yosemite just yet.

    The true hero in all of this is Palin. The MSM, hollweird and the socialists in this country have don’t everything humanly possible to trash this woman and she gets stronger by the day. She’s like their Kryptonite. **

    • Mary_Contrary

      Since the NRA has just thrown it’s support to the McCain/Palin ticket and is going to spend lots and lots and lots of money in the next 20-some days, it would appear that the NRA thinks this is quite important.

      http://www.gunbanobama.com/

      • Maggie_in_Indiana

        I’ve been knocking on so many doors,I feel like an Avon lady. My signs from my property on Main st. have been stolen 3 times. I bought a dozen after the 2nd time. I have a 4 by 8 plywood sign -Drill here-Drill now-American flags and have it lit up at night. My small ghost town has turned blue and the Obama signs are like weeds,they keep popping up. My neighbor got his sign stolen and his bumper stickers ripped off and stuck upside down on his trash cans. He put his other sign in his window.

        The thing that bugs me the most is that most of the Obama supporters I have talked to say they are voting in protest to Bush and because Congress might listen to him.Duh.

        And yes a few have said they are voting for him because he’s a cool black guy. One older man said Obama is younger and doesn’t have a clue so the older guys in Washington can talk him into doing the right thing. Very few say they think he’d be better than McCain. not too many solid reasons and they know very little about the topics discussed here.Some just vote straight ticket and they might change their mind.

        The crowd at the Indy fair grounds was blown out of proportion,I went by there and the cars didn’t fill the lot,there were more for Band day in August.I saw where they had him stand to speak on TV. he was in the stands itself,because they are not very high,with the crowd down on the track. Some of my friends went and they are still laughing. Nothing new,he’s gonna fix America and McCain is an old liar.

        Look this is the first time Indy has looked a little purple in my lifetime and it’s hard to not to be angry at the way Hoosier’s have put their values on a shelf for such a phony. We are friendly but cautious people. We love our God,guns,kids,property,beer,basketball,the Colts,the 500,the 400,and tolerate democrats since most of them are transplants.

        • David_Hinz

          why I heard that Obamessiah is a hunter. “where can I get a huntin’ license.”

          • izoneguy

            I have mine. Do you have yours?

          • beyondrightwing

            I’m not in any way talking about cutthroat tactics. If he had looked into our eyes and comely and somberly told us why he believes what he had said it would have produced a turning point in this election. It would have been over. He had a majority of the American people watching and he would have hit it out of the park, as they say. Even the MSM would have reported it.

            As far as duty and honor, McCain is a politician. Has been for over two decades. Those days are long gone. I hate to say it as I am not supporting or voting or McCain but had been rooting for him until that debate.

            I have been a conservative and Republican all my adult life. Come my 50th birthday on December 8th I will be changing my party affiliation to the Constitution Party.

          • hotrepublicanchick

            I agree McCain will win by a landside. Actually it wouldn’t even shock me if California went red. (OK it would) But there is a silent majority out here. We are young and we are on fire for Gov. Palin.
            Also, after Corsi’s Obama/ Odinga scandal is revealed, the only people that will vote for Obama are people who thought OJ was innocent, muslims, and the Black Panther Party. I predict he will lose about 85% of the black vote.
            I think even Sen. Biden is voting for Palin. I also find Sen. Clinton’s silence of late fascinating as well.
            I call this for McCain. It is kind of scary though. I hope people don’t riot.

          • AKSteveB

            category (even it is a category of 1), “fellow travelers” …I’m not a conservative (not that I’m even sure what that means anymore), more a libertarianish pragmatist David Brooks fan. I just tend to find conservatives more congenial. For some reason or another, the right leaning blogosphere has more intellectual depth than the left.

          • Tim_Schieferecke

            I’m no pollyanna either. Obama will lose this election, and he will lose it badly. What is your purpose in coming to the site? Obama will lose and “my friend”, he will lose badly.

          • AKSteveB

            I see Colorado and Virginia as exceptions. The demographics are changing so rapidly, Colorado with Hispanics and California immigrants, Virginia with growing liberal population in the DC suburbs. In my totally random opinion, Virginia is a coin toss, depends on the turnout, I think Colorado may be even more towards Obama than the polls show right now.

          • Rod_Patrick

            Funny, the guys seems so “unaware” of the 1000 of lies of the Obama Campaign.

            Biden’s statements in the VP Debate were almost 90% LIES.

          • PaRep

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          • Marcus_Traianus

            I suspect your comment has something to do with something, somewhere in this universe- just not the comment at hand. Now for those at home paying attention, we were speaking of noted campaign strategy and the second guessing of said actions. Stated comment was related specifically to wisdom of that intellectual action, since, well, lengthy experience in my mind almost always provides a sound basis for judgment. While leaving some room for unwise sycophants and blind acolytes, it seems good policy to demur in situations where those leading the charge have been successful; sort of what my comment said- again for those not sipping vodka martinis, named ?Barry? or with keyboards that haven?t quite caught up with the thought process.

            Now, I never really enjoyed semantics surrounding words such as ?persuade? especially in a political connotation. I have always preferred words such as ?lead? and ?confident? which appear to me more instructive, demoting the persuasive aspect, but alas that?s just old fashioned me.

            So please don?t proffer advice where none is needed. This entire affair causes me to believe the board needs a step between banning and continued membership. Sort of a blog purgatory, where the contra intellectual, thoughtless, unprovoked, semi literate, senseless posters and other temporarily insane go for a five step program; released only once they have proven they are no threat to themselves or others. It always helps to think, before you type. That way people will actually consider your posts to be complete thoughts and serious in nature or context.

          • Waderic

            It sounds like somehow a lackluster debate caused you to decide to bail on McCain and join the irrelevants.

            It amuses me when people throw away their vote in an attempt to make a statement…which voting for the Constitution party in a national election is.

  • Waderic

    If McCain cannot hold NC, VA and IN, he will not win in any scenario, but these alone are not sufficient.

    I would bet that he is counting on a swing back to him towards the end of this campaign. The close states will come his way and with a little work, the leaning Obama states will be too close to call (WI and PA). Its then that his extra campaigning will pay off and maybe win this thing.

    • PaRep

      .

      • Moe_Lane

        Link. Really, it wasn’t that hard a conclusion to come to.

        Tsk.
        Tsk.
        Blam.

        • pwest

          Look I want to believe, really! But dude I think you’re smoking something if you believe McCain will win Cali. I just don’t see it.

          • PaRep
          • hotrepublicanchick

            Ok I was being sarcastic when I said California, but it could happen. For some reason Palin came to Southern California. She made time in her busy schedule to visit here. My point is once Corsi reveals proof of the Obama/Odinga connection, it’s over for hope and change. I agree with an above mentioned comment that he will make McGovern look popular. After Corsi gets through with him only true radical America haters will vote Obama.

          • pwest

            Rassmusen just published that McCain has a seven point lead in Indiana. You’d think it would be closer after all Obama was there just yesterday.

          • PaRep

            Time & money on Can’t win states like Montana , North Dakota, Georgia, Indiana & others

            But this is the problem for Obama, McCain has a Built in advantage!!! if he holds the States Bush won in 04 he wins Obama has to peel some states off that list while NOT losing any states on Kerry’s list in 04

          • pwest

            look I asked you yesterday for your honest opinion, and your giving me that. I can’t see Obama winning in Indiana; I can’t. If he does, he’s on his way to a landslide of epic perportions. I live in Alabama. Like I said, Dole had to defend these nine votes in 96. If I see McCain or Palin here for anything other than a fund- raiser, then I’ll know it is over.

  • nwbh

    As a Wisconsin resident, I am happy to see that McCain is still campaigning here.

    On paper, conservatives and moderates should do very well in the state. And there is a large amount of enthusiasm for the McCain-Palin ticket and a lot of anti-Obama sentiment. I still believe it will be difficult for McCain to carry the state, but I believe it is much closer than the 10% Obama lead in recent published polls. Perhaps the campaign internal polls (for both candidates) are saying something different, because Obama is still campaigning aggressively here also.

    I was hopeful that conservatives are making a comeback here, but it’s hard to tell. The WI Supreme Court race this spring was an interesting reminder of what conservatives can do here. A conservative judge, Michael Gableman, defeated a sitting liberal supreme court justice (Louis Butler). The terms here are for 10 years, and sitting justices are rarely voted out of office.

    • September

      Knock off the dirty politics!
      Leave the names alone!
      Put a leash on Sarah Palin!

      Just remember that Sarah Palin is not a loose cannon. She is not speaking without the support and consent of John McCain. Palin is very much attached to the deck of the “good ship” McCain and says what she is told to say.

      And besides it is pure coincidence that Barack Obama’s mother chose Hussein as his middle name some 47 years ago. Maybe it was not a coincidence for her as it could have been a Kenyan family name, but it has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein or any other Hussein including King Hussein of Jordan who was then on the throne.

      Suppose his middle name was Karl or Adolph or Benito or for that matter Wilhelm or Nicholas!! Even Benedict Try Hugo!

      Anyone here know their Shakespeare?
      If you don’t, then check it out.

      • September

        Knock off the dirty politics!
        Leave the names alone!
        Put a leash on Sarah Palin!

        Just remember that Sarah Palin is not a loose cannon. She is not speaking without the support and consent of John McCain. Palin is very much attached to the deck of the “good ship” McCain and says what she is told to say.

        And besides it is pure coincidence that Barack Obama’s mother chose Hussein as his middle name some 47 years ago. Maybe it was not a coincidence for her as it could have been a Kenyan family name, but it has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein or any other Hussein including King Hussein of Jordan who was then on the throne.

        Suppose his middle name was Karl or Adolph or Benito or for that matter Wilhelm or Nicholas!! Even Benedict Try Hugo!

        Anyone here know their Shakespeare?
        If you don’t, then check it out.

        • PaRep

          .

          • Tbone

            After all it did take him 20 minutes to compose this. Too bad these buffoons can’t be electronically sterilized while being banned.

          • Moe_Lane

            Fear her, too – but we knew that from the hate.

            Blam.

          • QueenOfCups

            n/t

          • Tatham

            Hussein is one of the world’s most common names. Let’s make McCain guilty of association with everybody ever named “John.”

          • Tatham

            Yes, you would. That poll was taken a week ago.

          • Tatham

            In addition to indiana, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, Missouri and New Mexico, McCain might want to drop by West Virginia and Georgia, too.

          • PaRep

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          • PaRep

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          • simpson316

            Can you try to go one day without screaming and shouting TROLL!!!

            There’s a troll in the dungeon!

            If you really want to alert management to a troll, hit the contact form. It deprives the trolls of the satisfaction of a response.

          • Tatham

            I’m not sure what a troll is. Does that mean the poll wasn’t taken a week ago? Or does that mean that this site only accepts comments that express a certain point of view?

          • Tatham

            I’m not sure what a troll is. Does that mean the poll wasn’t taken a week ago? Or does that mean that this site only accepts comments that express a certain point of view?

          • Moe_Lane

            …because they can’t think for themselves usually don’t last long.

            Blam.

          • Moe_Lane

            I didn’t even ban you the first time. You could have burned that account, and lived on to fight another day.

            Oops.

  • KnightRanger1

    Based on reading all the posts from here.

    I think McCain will hold the Bush states and Pick up Wisconsin and PA for a total of 314 EV to Obama’s 224 for a landslide victory.
    I guess give or take 5-10 EV for MCCain depending on how NM and CO go.

    any thoughts on this?

  • KnightRanger1

    Based on reading all the posts from here.

    I think McCain will hold the Bush states and Pick up Wisconsin and PA for a total of 314 EV to Obama’s 224 for a landslide victory.
    I guess give or take 5-10 EV for MCCain depending on how NM and CO go.

    any thoughts on this?

  • dld1717

    We hold all states Bush won minus Iowa and perhaps NM but that would make it a 269 to 269 electoral vote.

    I think McCains’e best chances are NH, PA, MN, and WI and probably in that order.

    • janis

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      • KnightRanger1

        I think the people in NH and MN are drinking too much Obama Kool aide. Besides MN is about to elect Al Franken .. what does that tell you.

        McCain-Palin should be able to Pick up PA and WI (hopefully)

        I dont think Bush won Iowa in 2004

  • lriv

    1) The U.S., as most first world countries do, swings from center-right to center-left over generations. The Republican party is due for a period out of power. In a few years you’ll be back.

    2) McCain is far to the left of most of you on this blog. He’s firmly center-right. Obama (despite all your protestations) is much more cautious and center-left than you want to believe.

    Conclusion: All this hot air isn’t getting you very far. In the end one of two moderates will get elected. Lefties scream and shout about McCain’s “extremism”, you guys yell about Obama’s “extremism”. The two are much more similar than you’d like to admit.

    Go out and get some fresh air. The country isn’t going to hell whoever wins.

    • Moe_Lane

      NT

  • Hestrold

    So today McCain is in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Two blue states.

    • PaRep

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  • dld1717

    Palin is heading to West Virginia on Sunday for a bus tour through state

    I guess the ARG poll that had Obama ahead may be showing up in internals

    this is a bad sign

    • PaRep

      Poll 55% D’s 35% R’s 10% I’s

      NEXT !!!!!!!!

  • dld1717

    Why send her on bus tour of West Virginia then and not Virginia or Pennsylvania?

  • PaRep

    who knows

    • Jingles

      http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/WV/S/01/epolls.0.html

  • PigsforPalin

    Sarah Palin has become nothing but a political whore. She will say and do anything she is told by her handlers. She spews hatred and fear mongering and knows little of what she says. When she is defeated with John McCain, she will go home to a world of problems and her political career will come to an end.

  • KnightRanger1

    What do you guys make of or read into this schedule….

    -John McCain for a Women’s Town Hall Meeting in Blue Bell (Montgomery County), PA on Tuesday October 14th.

    -Governor Sarah Palin for a Road to Victory Rally in Scranton, PA on Tuesday October 14th.

    -Governor Sarah Palin for a Campaign Rally in Dover, NH on Wednesday October 15th.

    -Governor Sarah Palin and Your New Hampshire Ticket for a Road to Victory Rally in Laconia, NH on Wednesday October 15th.

    -Governor Sarah Palin and Your New Hampshire Ticket for a Road to Victory Rally in Salem, NH on Wednesday October 15th.

    -Governor Sarah Palin and your Maine Ticket for a Road to Victory Rally in Bangor, ME on Thursday October 16th.

    -Senator John McCain for a Road to Victory Rally in *Chester County, PA *on Thursday October 16th.

    -Governor Sarah Palin for a *Elon, North Carolina *Road to Victory Rally on Thursday, October 16th.

    -Governor Sarah Palin for a Road to Victory Rally in *Noblesville, IN *on Friday, October 17th.

    I see it as more offense than Defense…
    what do you guys make of the rally’s in NC and IN?

    Also Barack is spending 4 days in PA along with Bubba, Hillary, and Biden… what does that tell you :)

    • Moe_Lane

      Blam.

      • Moe_Lane

        NT