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McCain is entertained by “leading conservatives” who trash Palin

It's my attitude, as well. They're better than the circus.

Finding a Politico.com story via Google News, we learn of John McCain’s “amazement” at the way Sarah Palin is being treated by some conservatives.

Several leading conservatives, including columnists Kathleen Parker of National Review and David Brooks of the New York Times, have questioned McCain’s judgment in selecting Palin. [emphasis my own]

Leading conservatives: Kathleen Parker and David Brooks? That’s a bit o’ hyperbole, as I’m still not 100% certain who is Kathleen Parker, and I was not aware David Brooks could be considered a conservative by a conservative.

McCain dismissed their criticisms and credited Palin for energizing the conservative base in a year in which the GOP faces “a stiff headwind.”

“She has ignited our crowds,” McCain said. “She has a wonderful family, a great husband, great values and she shares my worldview.”

“I’m entertained at the elitist attitude towards a person who is proven leader.”

I am with our candidate: entertained. It is amusing that certain people with a misplaced sense of elitism can verbally attack a conservative Vice Presidential candidate in the middle of what could be a very close election, essentially because they do not like the cut of her jib.

Are these people seeking meaningless language which the speaker uses to fool the unsuspecting oaf into believing that a high-minded principle is being discussed? The politics of meaning, by jove, it takes a village? Does that suffice in the place of sanity? Obama/Biden?

Here’s our nominee with a question for those who offer the pretense that Joe Biden is more qualified to be President than is Sarah Palin:

“I’m amazed. I’m amazed. Which is better? Serve 35 years in the United States Senate and say you’ve got to divide Iraq into three different countries, or be governor of a state and a reformer and give people their tax dollars back and bring about reform in the way that your state does business? Which is better?”

What do we want in government? A conservative, by definition, seeks less government and lower taxes. Sarah Palin speaks of… what?

To these people, the President (Reagan) was a myth. “Once upon a time, there was a giant with a magic wand…” Folks, it was not that way. The President sometimes said dumb things. The President sometimes made bad choices. But remember this: The President always kept his eyes on the prize, reflected in conservatism. And during the 1980s, the pride and the prize is in the work we did. Americans knew what they were doing, where they were going, and why.

Obama/Biden? Not so much.

Where is the sophistry in Sarah Palin? I’ve never heard a sophism escape her lips. Obama/Biden? Mercy.

When John McCain selected Sarah Palin to be his running mate, he put himself into this race. Without her, the campaign would have lacked volunteers, yards with signs, letter writers, even jazzed bloggers. It would have lacked the excitement it now exudes.

If something were to happen to John McCain on Day One, and Palin ascended to the highest office in the land, I assume she’d have advisors around her who would be more qualified than Obama’s on whom she might have to lean almost as much as Obama would need his peeps to tell him what to do. She’d get advice, she’d make decisions. I trust her judgment. I trust John McCain’s judgment.

Obama/Biden? Not so much.

I cannot assigne motives or read minds. That’s entertainment.

COMMENTS

  • liberalrepublican

    But I’m going to wait until after the election.

  • dbecraft

    fed up with “our” so called Conservatives giving us their lip!

    From the National Republic to our lovely Peggy Noonan, they all seem to have gone nuts! Or as I actually suspect, starting to kiss a@@ of those that they think will be in power.

    I say throw all of them out of any party, especially the Republican Conservative party. I’m very tired of these so-called conservatives spreading their venom. Thanks for letting me vent!

  • gamecock

    coming soon

    • Mark_Kilmer

      to say, and wait if you think it best, but you’ve piqued my curiosity.

      • Mark_Kilmer

        indeed conservative, and I wish I knew what were on her mind with this. You know, I can say it is an innate mistrust of McCain, but damfino.

        The rest, it’s obvious that they do not want to be a part of the movement, so there is nothing we can say or do to ostracize them from it. They’ve got their own turf.

        • Mark_Kilmer

          gamecock, but does his column merit that?

          • JakePrime

            David Brooks comes from, Palin’s early interviews were awful, but he is a columnist for the NYT after all. I don’t think “leading conservative” and “New York Times columnist” really belong in the same sentence.

          • gamecock

            Mark, your column here is awesome. Could I add some thoughts? Yes, and I will.

            But the reason Brooks’ column from many weeks ago “merits” a line by line critique is because it is so wrong, so often, and (and this is personal) because it is written by a man I respect that has unique insights but has gone astray.

            I have been a ditto head since 1993, when I was dem thru 2000. Rush has often quoted Brooks favorably. The man is a genius, but is also disabled by his geographic location inside the beltway.

            The main reason I feel the need to dissect his attack on Reagan’s GOP though, is because he represents a group of inside the beltway cons that project their anger and disdain against social conservatives and allege that social conservatives are angry and divisive.

            more later

  • JSHPMN

    Brooks is a stooge! Lord, this boy wouldn’t know conservative if someone smacked him. Hell, he works for the NYT like Kristol (who isn’t conservative either). Don’t take these people seriously when they’re not serious. Both “commentators” are laughable.

  • lonebeagle

    Who cares what “leading conservatives” think! All of these elite idiots are the same folks who hated Reagan. To them Reagan was just a simple-minded cowboy “B” movie actor who went to a mediocre college.

    These “leading conservatives” hate Sarah Palin for the same reasons that ALL of the liberals hate her–Governor Palin represents the average American.

    They say, “We can’t have average Americans running the country!”

    Well they can all go to hell.

    Sarah Palin has got to her place in life without being born with a silver spoon in her mouth or having a patron (or sugar daddy) or slick backroom political machine sponsoring her political career.

    I fear that if we lose this election our freedoms will begin to be stripped away by the tyranny of the left. Obama and the liberal left have no tolerance for the Sarah Palins of the world.

    Look at the attacks they’ve (the press and the liberals) launched against Palin. This is tyranny in action. Americans just might be ignorant enough to elect this hack called Obama.

    God help us if McCain-Palin lose.

  • derechista

    …Repub’s. What would we do without them? They are critical to our movement.

    Or, should I say, they have helped put our party into critical condition. Take Colin Powell, as an example.

    Did Sec. Powell play a role in his deputy, Richard Armitage, allowing the Plame source story to twist in the wind for several months. He may have done so, in an effort to strike back at Pres. Bush for having him go before the UN.

    And the sophisticated, liberal Republican Colin Powell doesn’t like Sarah Palin, either? Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I’ll take Joe the Plumber any day over these beholden-to-the-cocktail-party-crowd snobs.

  • olderthangandalf

    She’s pro-life and solid on the 2d Amendment.

    But what about fiscal conservatism? Don’t see it in the way she ran Wasilla. What about foreign policy conservatism? Not a lot of evidence she ever thought about it for five minutes before she got the nod.

    We, as a party, are in massive pain right now because we elected and rallied around a “conservative” who was anything but.

    I’m not sure Palin, across the list of issues, is any more of a real conservative than Bush. I’m also far from sure that she won’t get corrupted by DC faster than you can say Saks Fifth Avenue.

    I’m am sure that part of the problem we face is due to shutting down dissent in the name of party unity. A little more debate and pushback may have helped keep Congress and the White House on the conservative path.

    So, from where I sit, it’s healthy for Brooks, Noonan, etc., to question whether Palin is such a great candidate.

    • Mark_Kilmer

      He’s got his own gig at The Weekly Standard. You’re probably thinking of Bill’s dad, Irving Kristol, who would probably not be allowed near the Times‘ opinion page today.

      I was just talking to a few friends about which conservative columnists seemed to be truly committed conservatives. Interesting.

      • PaRep

        .

        • lonebeagle

          You think that it’s great that Brooks, Noonan, etc throw rocks at the Republican Party two weeks before the Presidential Election?!

          Would you rather see Obama win?! This isn’t a game. The election has real consequences.

          Palin has shown more conservative principles so far in her political campaign than most Republicans that I can think of.

          Brooks, Noonan and Powell should be run out of town on a rail. Maybe you should leave with them.

          Thanks, we’ll call you….

          • Mark_Kilmer

            home base? Does it affect all beltway columnists?

            I’m still considering this question, what effect has the Georgetown cocktail circuit on one’s American conservativism.

          • dbecraft

            rail, out of town…etc…

  • SouthernCross

    We have em too….

    Gov. Palin will come into her own politically soon enough. She only needs more seasoning on the national and international stage. She has the intelligence and principles already ingrained in her makeup.

  • fisk2521

    I don’t really have inside information on who *the people in the know *are in the Republican party, so I was surprised to see Neal Cavuto interviewing President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s granddaughter on his show today. She was supporting Obama – - giving the reason McCain’s VP choice – - Sara Palin.

    I love Sara Palin….. I think she is terrific. She lives by her convictions, and isn’t afraid to say what she believes…unlike a lot of people today.

    I do not know why I should give a rat’s behind about what Eisenhower’s Granddaughter thinks. I’m sure she has money (that her Grandfather left her) and maybe that and her Grandfather’s reputation give her clout with the Republican Party. But as far as I’m concerned good riddance. If she backs Obama then she was never a Republican anyway…just like Powell…a fraud.

    I love my sign in my yard…McCain/Palin.

    • BlueLandRed

      So I haven’t verified that this is legit… so buyer beware (and my apologizes if it isn’t)… but it doesn’t seem like Sarah is all that conservative when it comes to immigration.

      Univision: To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
      Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

      Rest of the interview

      Univision

      • dbecraft

        that describes who you are. No different than who Obama associated with helped define him. You tend to believe as your friends do and after a long enough association, you either become like them or you lose them. That does mean that even conservatives who associate with liberal elites (normal in the news business) will become more liberal.

        • Dave_in_Fla

          The NY/DC conservatives (this includes almost all of those at National Review) are so far inside the media bubble, that they can’t help but believe the spin. This is reinforced by the communities they live in where everyone is a liberal Dem and voting Obama. Since they never leave their cocoon, they assume the rest of the country looks the same.

          The result is that they now believe the Obama is going to win, and are positioning themselves to survive in the coming Obama era. Some of them are establishing bonafides by actively criticizing people they supported in the past. Others are just sitting on the sidelines, trying to stay above it all. They are relishing the role of being the sportscaster calling the game, instead of being one of the players on the field trying to win.

          I’ll be spending a week with the NR folks the week after the election. I’m going to be really interested to hear what they have to say regarding their role in the results.

  • SouthernCross

    “so I was surprised to see Neal Cavuto interviewing President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s granddaughter on his show today. She was supporting Obama – - giving the reason McCain’s VP choice – - Sara Palin.”


    It really kills me to see so called Republicans and/or conservatives who say they are voting for Obama because of McCains choice of Sarah Palin. This is such a transparent attempt to reconcile their own weakness for celebrity and in some cases assuage the guilt they carry for the wrongs committed by individuals long passed. There is no way that a principled conservative would take such a hard left turn simply because they disagree with a VP choice like Gov. Palin; especially a rock solid conservative like her.

    It would be one thing to sit out the vote or go for a third Party candidate/write-in, but to vote completely opposite of what you allegedly stand for? No, like the RINO’s that infest the Republican Party today, they are just liberals looking for their way out of the closet.

  • mschuyler

    what hope is there? Here we have Sarah Palin, who does not have a liberal bone in her body, who walks the talk, and there are Conservatives who claim she is not Conservative enough? I would suggest, then, that no one living will ever, ever, be conservative enough for these folks, and that they will never ever get their way and will die frustrated as a party of one, unloved, mis-understood, and even if they make it to the after-life, totally whacko. Get a clue and get with the program or usher in the United States of Socialist America (not a place I want to live, frankly.)

    • finaljeopardy

      All signs indicate Sarah Palin ran a sound budget as the Mayor of Wasilla, unless you are referring to the sports complex. People keep saying $20 million, though it looks more like $14.5 million. The city went into debt to do it (how did you buy your house, bunkie?) and raised the city sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent to pay for it.

      The city is paying it off two years ahead of schedule and is boasting 20 to 50 % increases in office uses offered at the 102,000 sqft facility.

      There is an ongoing dispute about title following a struggle with the Nature Conservancy and another buyer. At the time it was built, Wasilla had a Federal judge?s decision that they had title to the land.

      Anyway, if Wasilla got a $15 million sports center, and got a mortgage for it, then the city incurred more longterm debt, you bet. It also got a capital asset. You do it with a mortgage; a city does it by setting up bonds and a tax base to service the bonds. Same thing. Whether it was wise or not is another question, but the bonds and tax increase were approved by a special election by the people in Wasilla.

      • finaljeopardy

        Ike’s daughter Susan spoke at the Dem convention. It seems she thinks the GOP left her before McCain’s VP was announced. The Dems have her on double duty bashing female candidates as a woman and fluffing Obama’s national security cred as daughter of one of the most well-known generals in this country. As with Chris Buckley, the fruit fell far from the tree.

  • Fallon

    I am not as articulate or passionate as some here at RedState. I don’t have the eloquence or the reputation for well thought out commentary but I do have a unique perspective having changed from Obama to Palin. And, when I say Palin, I mean Palin not McCain.

    Now don’t get me wrong, my deprogramming is complete and head to head I would now choose McCain over Obama, but if McCain had chosen an “also ran” Republican, I’d probably be sitting this election out. Palin definitely sparked something in me to change affiliations and get involved.

    (It didn’t hurt that the surprise announcement of Palin followed the extremely lackluster and disappointing choice of Biden.) When Governor Palin spoke at the Republican Convention, I thought, finally, someone who is willing to fight back. Yes, her early interviews were lousy but she was never lousy. Her story didn’t change.

    The people shouting the loudest that she was a terrible pick were Democrats and the media. Democrats and the media? The other team? Yes. Somehow some of that chatter slithered into the psyches of some of the Republican ideologues and they got cold feet. They started to believe the their brethren press whose objectivity is suspect to say the least. To me, these stalwart “conservative” pundits look weak and easily swayed by those that they consider members of their rank and station.

    They gave in to this constant haranguing and bashing but I didn’t give in to it and neither did all those people who came to the rallies to see her. As the press continued to get more and more negative, nasty and brutal, the more we knew Governor Palin was the right choice and the more solidly we were behind her.

    This bashing continues with non-stories (like the cost of her wardrobe) because Governor Palin, realistically, is the closest thing to a rock star that the Republicans have. She very well may be the future of the party and the partisan press knows if they do not sufficiently squash her now, she will be back, stronger and more confident than ever. She may even be strong enough to drag an old Navy pilot into the White house.

  • aceintx

    to the level of Demigods to be bowed down to, sacrificed to, and pandered to on a colossal scale…Brooks and the tea and crumpets ivory tower crowd are attacking Palin and laying the groundwork to blame her for the disaster they have wrought.

    The Meme after this election…if McCain loses this…is that we lost this election because McCain Pandered to the extreme right wing of the Republican Party with his pick of Palin…Historical revisionism will begin on November 5th…the story line will leave out the moderate Cap & Trade crap and the boasting about fighting 70% of the American Public on immigration reform and bragging about the gang of 14 BS…the blame will once again fall on the Conservatives as if we’ve gotten anything from the party for the last 4 to 6 years!

    This is a joke…Brooks is a joke who comes from the gang of dupes that include David Gergen, George Will, Tucker Carlson and the rest of the left of center Bow Tie Republicrats the so called objective media love to trot out to pretend they’re fair and balanced and present both sides of the arguement!

    • dbecraft

      Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young?

      • JakePrime

        they agree with Obama or that they endorse him. Noonan and Brooks don’t like Palin’s “anti-intellectual” emphasis and think that a more experienced VP pick would have been a better choice. Brooks is a true Buckley prot?g?, it’s what you would expect.

        Anyway, both Noonan and Brooks thought that Palin had a strong debate performance and seem to have dropped most of their criticism that followed her early interviews.

        • azaeroprof

          if she gave Sarah Palin as her primary reason for backing Obama. If you recall, she was on the Greek column stage giving an endorsement speech for Obama the night before Sarah was named as VP choice.

          My guess is the Obama folks have given talking points to EVERY woman celebrity who supports Obama to ensure that they ALL denigrate Sarah publicly. I think it’s a sign that they are very concerned about the effect she is having on this election. I still believe that without her, McCain is 15-20 points behind and never was close, let alone ahead after his convention.

          • JakePrime

            you don’t know where the center is. They are all undeniably right of center writers and pundits, not left of center nor hardcore right. If they were left of center, there wouldn’t be a valid right in America. If you think George Will is voting for Obama, well, I wouldn’t know where you’d be coming from.

  • democratsarefascists

    All this campaign, he’s passed up every opportunity to name names and show up his enemies as the fascists they are. If he loses, it’ll be because he’s tried to suck up to leftists his entire career.

    Did he complain when Obama kidnapped a mentally-challenged man and forced him to vote Obama? Did he shout out when Obama beat up an old woman for the “crime” of holding a McCain sign?
    Has he spoken out about the Obama voter fraud? Barely.

    Is he getting it? Does he know that the liberals are the enemy and that no matter how much he much he plays nice, they will still hate him, and us?

    It’s not just McCain, of course. The GOP has utterly failed to wise up. They’re finding out too late that people want a pretty face. Women, for the most part, vote based on age and looks. Studies confirm that. Minorities, for the most part, DO vote based on color. Nearly all teenagers and spoiled twenty-somethings aren’t smart enough, or aware enough, to vote based on issues. Hollywood tells them how to vote. MTV tells them how to vote. They don’t think for themselves. Protest all you want. It’s true.
    The GOP has failed to attack ACORN and other frauds. Now it’s too late. The GOP has failed to adopt new technology. The GOP failed to push Supreme Court nominees through because they feared the media. The GOP failed to protect the Second Amendment sufficiently. The GOP failed to protect free speech like talk radio. And now it’s TOO LATE.

    William Ayers has been planning this for three decades. Communists and their public face, Democrats, plan ahead. The GOP is run by old men for old men. If we lose, this is why.

    If we win, they need to seize their last chance and protect the Constitution as they have sworn to do, from domestic enemies out to destroy America.

  • bluegoose

    … isn’t her political opinions, it’s her ignorance of what exactly the role of the vice president is. Her appeal to the base is undeniable, but her interviews are scaring away the undecided voters.

    • susanne

      The first Bush was the son of a Connecticut Senator. The second Bush was the son of a PRESIDENT. McCain is the son and grandson of U.S. Admirals. Do you really think Bush would have gotten into Yale, or McCain into Annapolis without affirmative action based on their ancestry? As Obama has stated, he doesn’t think his girls should merit such affirmative action. They should make it on their own. McCain graduated something like fifth from the bottom; Bush was a so-called gentleman C. Obama’s academic career ….well, let’s just say it was “elite.” And he did it by pulling himself up by his own bootstraps. How like the old Republican party.

  • RedFox84

    Who are these so-called ‘conservatives’ that I’ve never heard of, and who exactly do they lead?

    And, personally, I don’t need to be lead. I’m a conservative and can think on my own, thank you very much.

    • Fallon

      n/t

      • Moe_Lane

        Be sure to concentrate on the original intent of the Founding Fathers, and trace the historical development of the role.

        Write it up, send it in, maybe we’ll turn your account back on.

        Moe

        PS: Don’t ask Joe Biden for help. He couldn’t even get the article right.

        • aceintx

          but aside from some free market tendencies…they are as laft as they are right at a minimum.

          Read Brook’s last article on Palin…it’s undeniable what the game is…This election debacle is all the fault of the extreme right wing bigots that make up the base of the Republican Party because they wouldn’t let McCain be like the Democrats…McCain gave the election away by pandering to the extreme right wing by picking the back hills moose shooting hick from Alaska…They are busy right now setting the templates to cover they’re asses after foisting their pandering propeganda about appealing to Moderates and Independants…

          Ohh…and I forgot Noonan…the quintessential elitist and Parker whoever she is! They’ve got all the answers…except every time they get their way…and one of theirs is nominated…they lose…but it’s never their fault…its the hicks and rednecks in the Republican Party that caused it all because they refuse to shut up and do what they’re told!

          • susanne

            I was merely pointing out that Bush and McCain were born with silver spoons in their mouths. Obama was not.

          • susanne

            I was merely pointing out that Bush and McCain were born with silver spoons in their mouths. Obama was not.

          • Jaded

            as TRUE CONSERVATIVES we are not lead by anyone! WE hold the liars and thieves in the Republican party to account at great risk to a portion of our beliefs because of the very fact that WE are not SHEEP….and if losing the majority as we did in 06 makes us suffer and we have WE know that the more the Conservative message is given the more it is received.

            The majority of Americans are Conservative by nature and when Republicans which is the closest party to Conservatism STRAYS from that message they lose…..WE will not lose this election and that is because Barack Obama is so hardcore left that the swing states will NOT swing that hard left.

            The message to Republicans after the win WILL be and SHOULD be that when you “give” up your moral conservative compass you will be out of a job!

          • David_Hinz

            to these people how to use the TOOLS function at the top of MicroSoft Word, otherwise the poor guy will go blind and crazy trying to count all the way to 750 without losing his place.

          • finaljeopardy

            Obama’s Kenyan father was a Harvard alumni who wrote a controversial statement of economic policy, titled ?African Socialism and Its Applicability to Planning in Kenya.? It is still referenced frequently by liberal economics professors. Obama’s father was politically active and socially connected, too. That was enough to help his son get into Harvard.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    I wrote this in my blog today.

    Breaking News: Another Palin Scandal. Two words, it?s over.

    This makes Kathleen Parker look like a sage

    Given the lightweight, topical nature of American journalists, I decided to conduct some private research on Sarah Palin. I was concerned and frankly prompted to action by Kathleen Parker and David Brooks recent opines. Their credible, steady support of conservative causes and position as standard bearers are well documented. Yet, Ms. Parker and Mr. Brooks criticisms of Governor Palin have made them subject of considerable ire from Republicans across the political spectrum. I dare say the results of my investigation now find them due a very contrite apology

    Read the entire piece for context.

    • Tbone

      than stupid.

      • mbecker908

        But I repeat myself.

        Feel free to trash Gov. Palin. You’ve established your credibility here – zip – and you won’t hurt yourself.

  • Tbone

    Peggy Noonan, no.

    • mbecker908

      are mutually exclusive. Note that Bill Gates didn’t manage to get his bachelors degree. I could cite examples of very accomplished people who’ve managed great success without a degree from anywhere let alone an Ivy. Even easier would be to cite reams of names of people who got degrees (multiple) from “prestigious” institutions and can’t manage more than drooling on themselves. For instance, virtually every holder of a PhD in “Education” for starters.

      BO has degrees from Columbia and Harvard. And, short of selling snake oil to the American People, he’s accomplished exactly zero. Hell, he can’t even point to a single piece of legislation that he authored – signing on late in the process doesn’t count – as an elected official. He’s just another corrupt Chicago machine politician. He is, as my dad rightly noted, an “educated idiot”.

  • spainishirish

    were in the minority so long, and lived among leftists even when their movement was ascendant, that they feel uncomfortable when they are in the majority and/or are competitive. Perhaps it is cocktail circuit syndrome but it resembles Stockholm Syndrome to a larger degree. Neither Reagan nor Bush lived in an environment where they felt compelled to apologize for their beliefs, so they didn’t carry that baggage. If there is any one thing to like about Ann Coulter, she does live in that environment and doesn’t carry the baggage.

    Someone recently suggested there be a Good Riddance Watch. Let me second the idea. When someone both thinks the other side is about to win and already feels uncomfortable about their beliefs, it is easy to walk out. It would be wise to see the door stays closed to them forever.

    • Marcus_Traianus

      Her opinions are usually well grounded. But I have been shocked at some of the McCain-Palin superficiality based mostly, it seems, on emotion.

      Parker, as I said earlier today, has rabies.

      • susanne

        What does your father think about the intellectual accomplishments of Palin and McCain?

        • susanne

          What does your father think about the intellectual accomplishments of Palin and McCain?

          • JLenardDetroit

            I thought they were supposed to be all about the “Issues?” Since they can’t name one thing Obambam has ever done, they continually resort to distraction.

            It’s the “spread the wealth” er… “Economy” STUPID. ;-)

            His bluegoose is about to be cooked by the ObamaBinBiden gang, but he can’t see through his ShidasGlasses to see it.

          • mbecker908

            Is exactly what’s endearing her to the base and to the American people. Frankly, I’m sick of “intellectuals” like Brooks, etal. It’s their ideas/ideals that have helped mightily to get the Republican Party into the mess it’s currently in.

          • gamecock

            Rush

          • Marcus_Traianus

            but you have to agree he sounds really good saying it. That alone has to be worth $50k a year.

            I mean really, who ever thought Marxism would be sold in a tailored suit?

          • JSobieski

            Besides, since when did connecting with everyday voters mean anti-intellectual?

            Was Bill Clinton anti-intellectual?

          • gamecock

            Part of this is human nature. They must get along with their neighbors. If you will notice, with respect to elected repubs, the ones that get on tv are the ones that will attack fellow repubs and they are also the ones that don’t go home on the weekends.

            Sessions hardly ever gets on TV, for example.

            Rush addressed this once when he said that he didn’t want to live in DC and be friends with people he needs to criticize.

            A problem is TV. esp. If you are a guest driven show, you have to hold back if you want the guest to come back.

            more later

          • JSobieski

            as an aggrieved and entitled black man. Both Barack and Michelle seemed to emphasize their “blackness” as much as possible.

            Combined with hardline left stances on issues, and getting A’s was pretty much automatic.

          • Marcus_Traianus

            That theme is playing soo well with all the undecides I know. Between what Obama said to “Joe” and the ads he is running on Palin, Republicans may have to write him a check when this is all over.

  • Hermes

    Noonan was great back in the 80′s. She’s rapidly becoming the next Arianna Huffington, however.

    Brooks, as pointed out several times above, is not now and has never been a conservative.

    And who the heck is Kathleen Parker?

    Governor Palin is the only non-Washington elitist insider, non-millionaire in this election. Just on those credentials alone she gets my vote.

    • Vegas_Rick

      We’re electing them to lead and run the country. Both have shown, through their actions in government, that they are fully capable of leading and governing.

      Both have sterling records of accomplishment that are there for all fair minded people to see. Unlike a record of working the Chicago machine for personal gain and voting present.

      No one doubts your guy is smart. It’s just that much of what he knows just isn’t so. To paraphrase.

      • Hermes

        Should this turn against Governor Palin this November, the old country club, Eisenhower Republicans will be all over genuine conservatives like fleas on a dog.

        The GOP will become what Dems were back in the 1940′s and 50′s. It is already perilously close to becoming so now. Without legitimate conservatives at the helm, the GOP is a lost cause.

        Again, should the old Country Club Reps take over come November, Blue Dog Dems are going to start looking a lot more attractive.

        • Tim_Schieferecke

          That’s a pretty big stretch to call a kid whose Dad was away on military affairs for much of his childhood a silver spoon.

          • mbecker908

            You’re just a regular moron.

            In terms of real accomplishment, however, McCain has managed to author some fairly significant pieces of legislation in the Senate whether you happen to like them or not. He’s actually been the author of things like CFR and the immigration legislation for just two. Both were very controversial, had wide opposition and he not only authored the bills, he put together legislative coalitions to get them passed. One did, one didn’t. That doesn’t take away from his accomplishment in both cases. And BTW, some form of his immigration plan will eventually end up passing the congress.

            Gov. Palin, in her two years in office as Governor of AK, has authored the most significant shake-up in any state (or federal) government in the area of ethics ever seen. Add to that the gas pipeline bill that she dusted off (it had been languishing for some 35 years) and got passed by the AK legislature and successfully negotiated with Canada.

            In contrast, BO has been nothing but a get-along, go-alone errand boy for the political establishment in Chicago, arguably the most corrupt political machine in the country. As a state legislator his most notable actions have been active support for a bill promoting infanticide and for voting “present” on virtually every piece of important legislation in IL. In the US Senate he hasn’t even been around enough to vote present. As chair of a sub-committee on foreign relations, he’s not even bothered to call the committee into session, for example.

            Then there’s Biden. In his term in the Senate, it’s marked by his active support of every anti-American cause since 1972, his support of the evisceration of the military that was too far left for even George McGovern, and for being on the wrong side of virtually every important issue for 35 years.

            Our family will take the real accomplishment of McCain and Palin over the intellectual masturbation of Obama and Biden every day of the week.

          • pwest

            a magazine cover that had a picture of Sarah Palin on the front cover and the Headline was, “She’s one of us, and that’s the problem.”

            See, in their mind, she’s not Ivy-League educated; therefore, she’s a dumb a@#. Moreover, we’ve had a dumb a@# in the White House for the last eight years. Now, mind you, the current occupent of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is an Ivy-League grad, but that’s not the point cause he’s still a dumb a@#.

            So, if you go to an Ivy-League U and can’t pronouce words correctly, you’re an idiot, and if you don’t go to Ivy-League U, but can pronouce words correctly, only with a strange sounding accent, you’re an idiot.

            Now do you understand their logic?

          • JakePrime

            I agree with you on that, hence my quotation marks. I think it’s a poor misrepresentation by the media and liberal talking heads that people on the right hate intellectuals and educated thought. I mean, really, who’s really got a beef with intelligence and education?

          • mbecker908

            Isn’t it interesting to note that Marxism is always sold by highly educated people who’ve actually accomplished nothing in their lives. And, usually by those who financially very comfortable through either the labors of their fathers or through “appealing to the masses” as snake oil salesmen.

          • mbecker908

            .

          • Tim_Schieferecke

            They are jealous of our intelligence and intelligent thought and wish they had some.

          • gamecock

            graduated college and figured out how to get Canada to agree to a pipeline from Alaska to the Lower 48.

            McCain graduated college, survived pow torture for years and displaced Garner as Maverick.

            Gore dropped out of seminary; became Ryan O’Neal, invented the internet, made millions on first book predicting eco disaster by 2002 and is making millions predicting the same 6 yrs hence.

          • oneman

            There has been a degree of socialism in this country for decades. Social Security, taxes in general are redistribution of wealth, and many more gov’t programs. Now we have a 700 billion dollar rescue plan. Not that their wouldn’t be more programs under Obama, but to say there isn’t socialism already is just being dishonest.

          • cwilson

            …that tarring and feathering counts as aggravated assault.

          • oneman

            There has been a degree of socialism in this country for decades. Social Security, taxes in general are redistribution of wealth, and many more gov’t programs. Now we have a 700 billion dollar rescue plan. Not that their wouldn’t be more programs under Obama, but to say there isn’t socialism already is just being dishonest.

          • cwilson

            comments showing her to be a two-faced, lying suck-up to the left, Noonan is dead to me. I really don’t care what she says or thinks. I will not read her column. I change the channel when she appears. She’s done.

          • Tim_Schieferecke

            Or maybe you forgot to mention that insignificant little detail of her foreign policy experience. It does pass through Canada, and since our founders weren’t able to seize it way back when, I’m pretty sure it is still a foreign country. You need to read a little more before spouting gobblety gook.

          • Ezekiel

            Kathleen Parker is a southern SoCon who is syndicated in newspapers across the country.

            Brooks is a PBS conservative. He’s the tomato can they trot out for their lightweight liberals to knock over when PBS tries to do a “both sides of the issue” shtick. He makes Alan Colmes look like Marvin Hagler.

          • lonebeagle

            The first Bush was the son of a Connecticut Senator. The second Bush was the son of a PRESIDENT. McCain is the son and grandson of U.S. Admirals. Do you really think Bush would have gotten into Yale, or McCain into Annapolis without affirmative action based on their ancestry?

            Susanne you aren’t very bright–G.W. Bush is not running for President.

            John McCain might have been the son and grandson of Admirals, but that’s NOT what made him a hero. John McCain EARNED his position in society the HARD WAY!

            John McCain earned his current position in our country from his extraordinary courage and love for his country. You obviously don’t understand anything about the man or the price of freedom.

            You are a troll who blathers on like an idiot.

            John McCain and Sarah Palin are American success stories because they EARNED their achievements. B. Hussein Obama hasn’t earned anything for his entire life. Obama hasn’t achieved anything–what is his record?

            He didn’t improve Chicago public schools. He didn’t do anything while in the Illinois Senate. He hasn’t done anything in the U.S. Senate.

            Obama is the affirmative action Presidential candidate of the left.

            He isn’t fit to shine the shoes of John McCain or carry the suitcases of Sarah Palin.

          • lonebeagle

            It’s called being black and an “underrepresented” minority.

            Which resulted in affirmative action admissions to posh private universities.

            Does anyone think that B. Obama would be where he is today if he was WHITE?! Or Asian (say, Chinese or Japanese)?

            Of course not.

            The left is in love with him because he is black.

            That’s worth about $10,000,000,000.

  • 29Victor

    than act the part.

    Who would rather have America run by country club liberals than red-necked conservatives.

    • lonebeagle

      You didn’t need to apologize because your post is indeed very eloquent and well written.

      It seems that people who like Sarah Palin are thoughtful, well informed and intelligent. Just like Sarah Palin herself!

      Congratulations.

      • Tim_Schieferecke

        n/t

        • JSobieski

          I think I must be more tired than I feel.

          My one fear in having Palin on the ticket (I was a Palin backer before she got the VP spot) was that 2008 would be a tough year for a national emergence, and that she could be stained with McCain campaign for the rest of her career.

          I have been quite pleased with how she has handled things, including her inevitable disagreements with McCain.

  • left_of_center

    I hope my handle makes my allegiances clear…I am an Obama supporter. I don’t come here to gloat (although that would be fun), but to ask a question….many of you sound like the Nader supporters back in the 2000 campaign…Gore just wasn’t liberal enough for some. Well, maybe not….and in return we got something far worse. Don’t some of you worry that by embracing the Palin movement (and I don’t doubt for a second the intensity of the devotion) and leaving behind the establishment conservatives whom Brooks, Will, Parker, and Noonan represent, that you risk exile in the political wilderness? Palin definitely has a fervent following, yes, but look at the huge percentages (close to 50% in most polls) of voters which have a negative view of her. Let’s face it, the hard-core right wing of the party has a solid 35-40% of the electorate, but you need another 10-15% to win an election. You need someone to appeal to independents. Someone like Huckabee, frankly, who espouses many of the same positions but talks a more moderate game, would be much electable, in my opinion. Thoughts?

  • formerGOPer

    In full disclosure, yes, I just joined Redstate. I used to visit here often but as a moderate Republican, I increasingly felt alienated by this site. While I understand some of the frustration many of you feel about the splintering of the party, I would urge you to take a more objective look at the GOP.

    If you continue to rail against the Powells, Noonans, Wills, Parkers, and Brooks, you will soon find yourselves part of a very small club. I, along with many of my friends, used to be staunch supporters of the GOP. Not any more. As moderates, we have felt an increasing hostility from purists in the party.

    I assume because of this post Moe will blam me and close my account. Too bad because I think Redstaters should be more open to dissent and to taking a hard look at the direction you all are taking the party. As I said, soon you will be a very small voice in a vast political wilderness. It doesn’t have to be that way.

    So fine, keep pushing the non-purists out of the party. But you will soon find you are a tiny tribe screaming in the political wilderness. If the Republican party is to survive I would strongly encourage you all to stop pushing the moderates, independents, and others who might be sympathetic to many Republican values away.

    I am a Republican in the mold of Colin Powell. I am not anti-American, I love my country deeply, and, until recently, was devoted to the Republican party. After nearly 25 years of voting for GOP candidates, I will soon cast my vote for Obama. I feel no longer welcomed by the party I so loved.

  • Tim_Schieferecke

    I could really care less what you think. You can’t see anything without seeing meaningless shades of grey.

    • Tim_Schieferecke

      Reality is going to come crashing down on you soon. Don’t forget to vote on November 5.

      • IJB

        Please go jump in it. Thnx.

  • formerGOPer

    Tim, you issued just the kind of response I predicted would come from Redstate. Fine, be hostile. But elections cannot be won by only appealing to the base. There simply aren’t enough Redstaters out there. The GOP must broadens appeal to include independents and moderates. You can hurl insults at us moderates all you want but that won’t get Republicans elected.

    Why not think more strategically? What will win seats in the White House and Congress for Republicans? Certainly, not alienating folks like me who have been with the party a long time or by pushing away independents.

    Continue preaching to the choir. You will only have a few voices singing with you.

  • formerGOPer

    I try to post an honest assessment about the problems I see with the GOP and already I’m told I’m “squishy” and to jump in a pond. How does insulting someone who is coming here to voice concerns about a party she has campaigned hard for over the years help the GOP win elections. If you are alienating long-time supporters of the Republican party, imagine how many moderates and independents you are alienating.

    You can’t win an election this way. The majority of voters are not hard-core Redstaters. They are moderates, middle of the road folks. You may not want to hear that but on election day you all will likely get a very harsh dose of reality.

    And then what will you do? You will have lost any political power you once had.

  • Tim_Schieferecke

    We are legion. We are many. You are idiot.

  • formerGOPer

    Tim, why the hostility? I came here in good faith to voice my opinion about the state of the GOP, of which I have long been a member. Do you really think insulting me and other moderates who also care about the party is going to help your cause?

    Keep alienating people like me. You, Moe, and a few dozen other Redstaters will be marginalized politically. What good does that do for you and the issues you care about?

    Insults like “idiot” don’t win over converts. Intelligent, respectful dialogue does.

    I notice just above “post comment” it reads. “Be respectful, or be banned.” I have been respectful, but Tim, you have been downright rude. Yet, I predict I will be banned and you will be allowed to continue hurling insults at those who want to have an objective, honest, and respectful discussion.

    • Tim_Schieferecke

      n/t

      • cp4three2

        Reagan wasn’t popular in the party at first either. A lot of Republicans thought he was too conservative and wouldn’t be able to unify the country.

        http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a082474reagan&scale=0#a082474reagan

        • Tim_Schieferecke

          You came in here all passive aggressive whining that we’re all this, and your s#$% don’t stink, not me. You soft sold your insults of us, I just don’t mince words.

          • formerGOPer

            I was simply pointing out that there are many moderate Republicans who feel pushed out by purists like some at Redstate. You can continue along the path you’re going. But you are going to be very lonely along that road because you all keep pushing away allies.

            You may not agree with David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, Colin Powell, or Christopher Buckley. But instead of summarily dismissing them, and worse, throwing venom at them, why not try to take an objective look at their criticisms. I, like many of my Republican friends, have serious concerns about Gov. Palin. If I say that here, all I get are insults instead of engaging and respectful discussion.

            We can disagree without being disagreeable.

          • Achance

            It’s an insiders’ game that you can feel in Sacramento, Olympia, Salem, Juneau, and, though I’ve never been there, I’m sure Albany and any other place the business of which is primarily government.

            Everybody knows what the org charts look like and who’s where on them. They know who owes who, who’s screwing who, who gets invited to what parties; its all a ranking game and it is the rarest person who won’t be to some degree effected by it.

            I must admit that since I retired, the thing I miss the most is not always being among the first to have the “inside story.”

  • formerGOPer

    about my s&$#@ not stinking. I was pointing out that as a Republican I no longer feel welcome in the party. Just as Colin Powell expressed concerns about the tactics the party is employing.

    I respect Colin Powell very much. To seem him denigrated by some here is disheartening. He has served his country honorably. You can disagree with him and many of us who echo his concerns without calling us names like “idiot”, “squishy”, “whiner”…

    Why not take a step back and try to understand why many voters, including Republicans like me, are supporting Obama. It is not because we are anti-American socialists who hate our country.

    • Tim_Schieferecke

      Most of us think she’s da bomb. Plus, have you seen the way she can shoot an assault rifle? Vice President Palin is going to provide invaluable assistance in testing new firearms. Her input in such regards will aid national security. So, what is it you don’t like about Sarah? Is she too unapologetic about her conservatism? Is she too plain spoken that she embarrasses you? What? Sarah is a tsunami for washing away liberalism. She’s not polarizing unless you ask the MSM. She will be our first female president, and she will bring great honor to the office.

      • bs

        Tell us exactly what “Republican values” that Obama represents that you are voting for.

        [crickets]

        Answer? NONE. Because Obama represents NO Republican values.

        You’re a concern troll. Goodbye.

  • Doc_Holliday

    and should be blammed soon. I told them to give me the blam stick, but they never listen to me.

    • Doc_Holliday

      was called an Uncle Tom, war monger, and a fool with blood on his hands just a week ago by your kind. You think we buy this crap? The only problem here is so few are allowed to ban, you will get it sooner or later.

      • Doc_Holliday

        was called an Uncle Tom, war monger, and a fool with blood on his hands just a week ago by your kind. You think we buy this crap? The only problem here is so few are allowed to ban, you will get it sooner or later.

  • formerGOPer

    I have seen how those who express reservations about Palin are treated here. They get raked over the coals. I have serious reservations about her but am afraid that if I voice them in detail I will simply be insulted. I don’t like that kind of communication. I prefer objective, respectful dialogue. If I got assurances that I won’t be called names and made fun of I will post specifics concerns about Gov. Palin. But seeing how Redstate treats respected generals like Colin Powell and authors like David Brooks and Peggy Noonan, I doubt I will be granted any respect.

    Tim, you already have insulted me many times in just a few emails, so why would I want to dialogue with you any way? If Redstaters can’t have an open, candid and yes, respectful, discussion with Republicans who disagree with you, how are you ever going to win over enough voters to win an election?!

  • Tim_Schieferecke

    any more Republican appointments to the Supreme Court?
    And, (snicker), as a Republican (snicker), you believe that affirmative action should be considered in electing a president? And mind you, I’m not talking about affirmative action as a policy position, I’m talking about using it as a reason to elect an unqualified socialist tool like Obama? ha ha hardy ha ha ha!

    • Tim_Schieferecke

      I’m pretty sure “dialogue” of any sort with you is a meaningless exercise in hopeless futility without change.

  • formerGOPer

    I voice my opinion in a respectful way but because I have a different perspective I should get blammed.

    Yet, others here hurl insults at me, show no respect, and they can continue to post. Why then, does it say before you hit the “post comment” button to “be respectful, or be banned.”

    How have I not been respectful? Why do my comments warrant being banned?

    And the only other blog I read is HumanEvents. At least there they allow a diversity of opinions to be posted. I’ve never gotten banned there even though I post similar statements at that site. It appears the only criteria here is to agree with Redstaters. You can launch all the invective you want. Just don’t disagree.

    • Tim_Schieferecke

      n/t

      • Tim_Schieferecke

        Have some cheese with your whine.

        • Doc_Holliday

          target rich environment, but Erick and Moe won’t let me get my scattergun lol.

          • Doc_Holliday

            this is the ‘net so you can say anything, and we have no reason to believe it. YOu have to gain credibility here. I top diary here even tries to give you trolls a chance. That is how sad you guys have become, we are actually feeling sorry for you.

            your first mistake was the anti GOP moniker. Your second was this crap about the turncoat Powell. You must be really clueless if you thought any of us cared what he thinks, we didn’t yesterday, a week ago, or a year ago.

            He was a piss poor Secretary of State, he quit when he was under fire, and he abondoned his friends. You are welcome to him, you and all your nutroot friends.

          • Stuckinmichigan

            Thinking more strategically you mean compromising core principles, no thanks!

            Speaking only for myself. I will never compromise my core beliefs even if it means never winning another election.

          • nogyro35

            …. she has already proven capable of many of the conservative things we hope for from our national representatives. To understand the Palin effect on this election you have to understand why she represents much of the heartland of this country and elite America does not.

            The main problem with elite America is how they value the ability to openly lie about something and make it believable. They call it being glib, slick tongued, or eloquent. However, life teaches you quickly that lying or eloquence doesn’t mean someone is able to produce what they promise. It just makes them a salesman their customers regret having met.

            Listen to Governor Palin and you will find that it’s her life that reveals her character and her politics. She says she’s pro-life and that’s what you get. She had the child. Her daughter is having the child. You cannot underestimate the power of seeing a potential representative that is more than words.

            Conservative America is not looking for perfection or academic intelligence in its representatives. We are looking for knowledge born of experience, achievement, and a love of THIS COUNTRY!!!

            Without the genuineness representatives like Palin bring to elections, conservatives are seen as hypocrites by “moderates” and we lose.

            I hope this helps your understanding.

          • Stuckinmichigan

            Than McCain. So what exactly is it you are trying to say? For petes sake man let it go. We all get that you have been possesed by the power of the Teleprompter Jesus.

          • Mike_Dugas

            “…Colin Powell expressed concerns about the tactics the party is employing.”

            Tactics WE are employing…oh that’s rich.
            Like the massive voter fraud on the left and the unrecorded millions of illegal foreign donations. Barak telling his “peeps” to strongarm radio stations that don’t agree with him, trying to block McCains and Palin motorcade to prevent them from making appearances, voter intimidation at polls etc etc etc. You might find the single instance of a so called republican doing something like that
            but with the left it’s a hugely manned, funded and organized crime ring.
            …Our tactics….what a joke mr spin doctor. Sometimes I wish we were just a little more aggressive in our tactics but we respect the history and the process of elections. The vast majority of Republicans don’t look at elections as chances to cheat, commit fraud and pocket a lot of money.
            Your insincerity and your disingenuous
            attempts at civility mean nothing when all that you say is erroneous and fallacious.
            And as far as all this respect for Powell, the man chose to support Obama because of his race. Given everything Powell has said in the past on his politics and beliefs there is no way that
            I could conclude that he is backing Obama
            for ideological reasons. Name me one other uber-left ultra progressive (gag)
            politician that Powell has supported. There is none. So either he was being purposefully misleading in the past so as to gain access and acceptance in a republican administration or he is, in reality, a moronic one issue voter who has gone and done what we have been told for years is wrong and racist…and that is basing his support on one thing..skin color. If the only reason I supported McCain was because he is white I would be an idiot AND a racist. What does that make Powell?

          • seattle_ite

            …But, I’m showing my age that I know who you’re talking about.

          • seattle_ite
            1. The Constitution was written in such a way that people with average education (of the day)could process its meaning. It was never intended to need lawyers, or ‘constitutional scholars’ for interpretation. Sadly, fewer people per year meet the education that some of the Founders felt was necessary, which is why we have ‘experts’ to explain the glaringly obvious.

            2. Our system of government was supposed to be a “Citizen Legislature”, or ‘government of, by and for the People’, not populated by career hacks. The Founders never envisioned an entrenched, unaccountable group of malcontents. “Everyman” was supposed to want to serve for a term or two, travelling a few times per year to meet, with a travel stipend being their only compensation. Then they WENT HOME. What do we have now? My impression of the current situation isn’t flattering.

            3. It has been proven throughout the ages that, though a decent education is necessary, when one thinks that they know it all, they’re deluding themselves. Upthread, somone mentioned that several of the worst dictators were very well educated. Have to second that assessment.

            A healthy debate and disagreement is a good thing, generally. But I don’t feel that the crop of “R’s for O” are truly acting from their stated principles. I won’t guess at their true motives, but they sure ain’t conservatives.

          • seattle_ite

            It is Principle that makes a good leader. If you have no values, anything goes. 20th Century history is replete with examples of that simple truth.

            Everyone make an ill-advised decision, now and again. Following one through is the test of character. When all you see is a path to power, you lose sight of why you want to go there.

          • olderthangandalf

            to being head guy on the Harvard Law Review.

            Do you have any evidence that he coasted? That his grades and honors were due to affirmative action?

            No, you don’t.

            So where does that come from? From a conclusion you draw based solely on his skin color. There’s a word for that.

            We, as a party, don’t need to go where you are going.

          • seattle_ite

            Noonan, Brooks, et.al, are the same bunch that told us, early on, to get on the McCain bandwagon. They love the center/left, go-along-to-get-along republican candidates, and are shocked that such a conservative, effective woman is suddenly such a popular dynamo. They mis-underestimate the simple power of historical perspective. Reagan didn’t win in two landslides by trying to out-lib Carter. He was derided by these folks too, until they couldn’t sell books.

          • olderthangandalf

            I don’t consider myself a moderate or middle of the roader. I am, and have been, a think for myself conservative.

            The blowhards in this thread don’t much like me either.

            When I grew up, the Republican was the party of fiscal responsibility, public and private. The government was supposed to watch spending and balance its budget; individuals were supposed to save their money, send their kids to college so they would have a future, and generally try to build themselves and their communities up.

            In terms of foreign policy, we wanted a strong country, but one that used its strength conservatively. We knew that no country is strong enough to right every wrong or fight every fight.

            That’s not today’s Republican party. Today it is a party all about abortion, guns and wars. According to our vice president, deficits don’t matter. The private virtues also don’t matter.

            Is it anti-intellectual, anti-education? You betcha. Sarah Palin is the face of this new Republican party. It’s a feature, not a defect, to be unable to get through a good school with good grades.

            The new Republican party is not, in my opinion, a viable long term political organization. You can’t turn accomplishment and education into negatives, and that’s what the blowhards are doing, and not have it come back and bite you. You need intelligent, thoughtful, educated people to build a movement, and you don’t get them by insulting them.

            I’m still fighting for what I believe are true conservative principles. When this election is over, and the move begins to coronate Sarah Palin as the leader elect, I will be in the front rows of those saying she is exactly what we do not need.

            I may lose. I may be unpopular. But, to tell you the truth, if I cared about being with a near term winner and spouting the received wisdom, I never would have become a conservative in the first place.

          • blooch

            Crosby too strung out free-basing to record, Neil gone solo…great song, though.

          • Martin_A_Knight

            … so many Republicans in Congress (especially in the Senate) cannot move legislation unless it gets a Democrat’s seal of approval.

          • skuld1

            Please list all of the Republican values that Obama supports…

          • cwilson

            Fine. But the Republican party has been a coalition of three kinds of conservatives since Reagan brought us out of the wilderness of the post-Watergate years. We now call this the tripod: fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, and national security conservatives.

            We used to define it differently: the spending hawks, the defense hawks (including the Scoop Jackson-ish members of the Reagan Democrats), and the Moral Majority wing (including the ‘disgusted at my previous party’s embrace of the cultural revolution’ members of the Reagan Democrats).

            But, in general, the socons are fiscons. The natseccons are fiscons (except ‘do what it takes’ to defeat terrorism and win a war we are currently fighting). But, in general, fiscons (at least, people who explicitly SAY they are fiscons) are NOT socons. And they are usually NOT natseccons. You seem to be an obvious example.

            Now, W and the republican legislators have not demonstrated ANY fiscal restraint over the last eight years. W, because he’s not really any kind of conservative — he ran in 2000 as a mushy “compassionate conservative” (emphasis on the former, not the latter) — and his tenure has demonstrated his motto (misreporting about Katrina notwithstanding): “When people are hurting, government has got to move”.

            A far cry from Reagan’s “Government is the problem, not the solution.” and “The scariest words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the Government and I’m here to help.’”.

            Republicans in Congress. Taken as a whole, those guys are members of the “re-election party”. They lost their faith in conservatism some time after the heady days of 1994, and in their vacuum of beliefs latched on to Delay’s K-Street strategy: spread around Other People’s Money and the lobbyists will help you continue the lifestyle you have become accustomed to — by helping you get re-elected, or, if that fails, by providing you a cushy new job after you lose. Either way, your kids can keep going to the same school and you don’t have to move back home.

            But here’s the secret: the socons weren’t happy about runaway spending. The natseccons weren’t happy about runaway non-defense spending. (And, of course, true fiscons hated it, too). They Weren’t Doing It For Us. They Were Doing It For Themselves.

            So don’t blame the other 2/3 of the base of the party for the errors of the people YOU elected. Why do I blame YOU, and not US for these shining examples of Legislative Self-interest? Because the elected Republicans with the WORST record with regards to spending are the ones that usually describe themselves as “fiscally conservative but socially liberal” — e.g. the so-called moderates beloved of Republicans who disdain the “abortion, guns, and wars” wings of the party.

            Surprise: actual SoCon legislators and NatSecCon legislators have a BETTER record of supporting fiscally-conservative legislation than the “I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal”-style fiscons — the people who can say with a straight face that the Republican Party (ie. the base) is “all about abortion, guns, and wars”. That is, the people who wish we could go back to the pre-Reagan-coalition post-watergate years, when “fiscons” were the only conservatives in town, and Republicans were happy losers who enjoyed rubbing shoulders at all the right parties with the liberal winners who got to pass price control legislation, wage control legislation, OSHA, EPA, Great Society, and all those other laws that allow D.C. to intrude into the individual lives of individual citizens a thousand times a day. And you guys think SOCONS want to control your life?

            Now, my claim that socons (and natseccons) are better true fiscons than the self-proclaimed fiscons? Here’s your proof, considering the correlation of voting patterns between two “socon” bills and a famous fiscon effort, Tom Coburn’s anti-earmark amendments (H.R. 4241):

            If someone voted against Embryo Destruction and for a Federal Marriage Amendment, it’s a fairly good bet that you’re dealing with a social conservative.

            of the 19 Republicans were seen as obstructionists to H. R. 4241 (Tom Coburn’s anti-earmark amendments), only four of them (Johnson, Pickering, Jones and Ehlers) also voted with the majority of their Republican colleagues against the “Stem Cell Enhancement” (Embryo Destruction) bill. Similarly, less than half of these squishies voted with the majority of their colleagues on the Federal Marriage Amendment.

            Not a single Republican Senator who opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment voted for the Coburn Amendment. Not a single Republican Senator who co-sponsored the latest Embryo Destruction bill voted for the Coburn Amendment.

            Read the whole thing.

            Also, “the social liberals in the Senate are the worst porkers in the entire Republican caucus.” From here.

            So, how about, rather than whining about the other 2/3 of the tripod — without whom you “only fiscons” would still be wandering in the malaise of 1979 — how about we all try to spank some sense into ALL of our elected representatives, to support the ENTIRE conservative agenda. You need us, and we agree with you on those areas you SAY are the most important to you — fiscal responsibility.

            Unless, of course, “fiscal responsibility” is just the smokescreen you’re using to oppose us, because promoting social libertinism and/or a weak defense are the true driving factor in your disdain for the “abortion, guns, and wars” wings?

          • Martin_A_Knight

            This is all on record. That no MSM reporter will challenge her on this is only to be expected though.

          • Martin_A_Knight

            I really doubt he’s as brilliant as he’s made out to be.

            And I’m black.

          • MikeO

            I don’t have to be a racist to read or listen to his confused utterances on Heller and the Second Amendment and conclude that Senator Obama is stupid.

            It could be that he doesn’t have the mental horsepower to grasp how he contradicts himself.

            It could be that he thinks himself slick enough to hide his contradictions from us rubes.

            Either way he is stupid, and I don’t need to know the color of his skin to conclude thus.

          • Martin_A_Knight

            That’s why they do everything to get a pat on the head from these folks.

          • Tbone

            my butt. My butt has its standards!

  • formerGOPer

    See today’s Miama Herald http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/florida/story/739225.html

    I post this because last night I expressed my opinions about how some in the Republican party are alienating more moderate and independent voters. I am one of those moderate Republicans who feels pushed out of a party I have long supported.

    I am not asking folks here to compromise their principles. I’m urging you to modify your tactics, tone down the harsh rhetoric and stop with the insults. If some of us disagree with those at Redstate and we express them respectfully, why, then, are we first insulted and then ultimately banned from the site?

    Apparently, swing voters in key battleground states don’t like the negative tone of the campaign. They appear to be moving in Obama’s direction. Republicans can get out its message in a way that is convincing without being harsh and alienating. If the GOP wants to win this election, I hope it will modify its tactics to sound more inclusive. Otherwise, moderates and independents will keep flocking to Obama. Is that what Redstaters want?

    • janis

      We should believe whatever “info” they have come up with? I’ve read most of your remarks so far and have only one thing to say to you–if you don’t like the GOP as it is today, then you aren’t going to like what it becomes in the next few years either. We intend to raise up conservative candidates that will make you every bit as uncomfortable as Sarah Palin does now.

      You can go be an elitist over in that corner with David Brooks, Kathleen Parker and Peggy Noonan.

      • Moe_Lane

        …and you want us to lose.

        Do you people really think that we haven’t noticed that all of these “life-long Republicans” always have a fresh gmail or hotmail account?

        Sheesh.

        Moe Lane

        PS: You should have been more comfortable expressing your true feelings towards Sarah Palin: as you can see, not doing so didn’t save you, and maybe letting it all out would have kept you from taking it out on a random female close to you.

        Blam.

        • PaRep

          NOT the “UNDECIDEDS” are older White People who voted overwhelming for Bush in 2004!!

          YEP that definitely sounds like Obama voters to me SPARKY !!

          • Martin_A_Knight

            Are you saying you’re actually in favor of Republican policies on substance but are voting for Democrats because you prefer their presentation?

            Let me ask you a question; where were you when Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic National Committee stood in front of a gathering of Democrats in Manhattan and proudly pronounced to them and the whole world;

            I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for …

            Apparently, that didn’t bother you, did it?

          • Moe_Lane

            Of course it didn’t bother him: he agreed with it all along, of course.

          • ZootSuit

            Especially if Shadowfax#Shadowfax) will be part of your Cabinet.

            [Geeky Middle-Earth reference]

          • JSobieski

            I know making Editor-and-Chief of a law review is not about having the finest legal mind.

            I also know that there are highly politicized courses one can take and get easy A’s for spouting off the liberal left line.

            I also know that Obama has not released his transcripts.

            Being a believer in inferential evidence, I have every reason to believe that Barack’s second and third years of law school were filled with classes on neo-realism–gender, race, and poverty studies.

          • olderthangandalf

            For example, I think the family is important and that marriage is important. I believe that people should wait until they are in a committed marriage before having kids. I believe parents should spend time with their kids, know what’s going on in their lives, and see that they keep their grades up and their noses clean. And, while I am capable of having compassion for people who don’t quite manage that, I’m against making them into some kind of social hero a la Jamie Lynn Spears. It’s called the culture war, and I remember quite well which side of it I’m on; I don’t abandon my side or my principles because of perceived short term political advantage.

          • olderthangandalf

            that your “elite” law school is actually not in the top 10, and probably not in the top 25? And why do I think your belief that law review editorships are not related to talent is based on your brilliance being passed over for those honors?

            Even at Harvard, which has perhaps the most liberal law faculty in the nation, you can’t fill up your schedule with the kind of stuff you suggest, and, again, there’s no reason other than Obama’s skin color to suggest he did.

            He hasn’t released his grades, but we do know he graduated magna cum laude. Harvard Law graduates a summa cum laude about once ever fifteen years, so magna is about as top grade wise as you can get from Harvard. I’ve known quite a few Harvard Law magnas, and every one of them, liberal or conservative, was very smart.

          • Martin_A_Knight

            The point cwilson was making, which seems to have sailed over your head is that the argument (commonly made by the so-called “moderates“) that the social conservative wing of the party is at the heart of the GOP’s departure from fiscal conservatism during the Bush years is simply not true.

            cwilson correctly points out that SoCons in Congress continue to post up records on fiscal issues that are often far and away better than almost all of the GOP’s “moderates” that go around tsk-ing at us on television shows in front of liberal audiences.

            And contrary to the mewlings of liberals and so-called “moderates“, Conservatives do value education and achievement. Obama has not released his transcripts from any of the colleges he attended. He has no record of achievement beyond getting the cadences right in reading a teleprompter, writing two memoirs at the age of 47 and compiling a record in voting “present” in the Illinois Senate.

            Palin, despite being the thoroughly uneducated dunce you seem to think she is, somehow managed to shepherd through a deal to build a $40 billion pipeline from her state through another country to the lower 48. She’s been successfully governing a state with an environment so extreme that it offers challenges no other Governor faces – voting “present” was/is not an option.

            Sheesh …

          • From_ME_to_you

            Please note: Service Schools (West Point, Annapolis, A.F Academy, et. al.) do not base their class rankings solely on academic scores like civilian schools. His ranking could have been lowered for reasons not related to academics, such as getting a demerit for his shoes not being polished to an acceptable level or even giving an improper salute!

            Senator McCain could have been at the higher end of his class academically but had his class ranking lowered because of his ‘maverick’ tendencies regarding the military aspect of the service academy.

            Also, please note that had his academic scores not been acceptable he would not have been accepted into pilot training!

          • olderthangandalf

            1) Social conservatism is more than being pro-life. Palin seems to be of the opinion that so long as you are pro-life your social conservatism is not to be questioned. I do not agree. It’s how you live.

            2) We don’t have Obama’s transcript, but we do know he was Magna Cum Laude at Harvard. Since Harvard graduates people Summa Cum Laude once in a blue moon (Has there even been one since Peter Huber?), that’s the highest honor they give most years, assuming you don’t count President of the Law Review. Even though Harvard has an almost uniformly liberal faculty (and the one known Republican, Charles Fried, resigned from the McCain campaign today, citing Sarah Palin as the reason), it takes a lot more than being liberal and having a good narrative to make Magna. Exams are graded anonymously, same as at all major law schools, and you have to deliver the goods to get the grades. Here’s the point: Obama is smart. He’s wrong, as smart people often are, on a host of issues, and we may pay for his being wrong, but wrong and stupid are two entirely different things.

            3) As of today, no pipeline has been built or is scheduled to be built on account of anything Palin did. What she accomplished was forcing through a $500 million payment to a Canadian oil company to study the feasibility of pipeline. They are under no obligation to build it. The oil companies are under no obligation to put gas into it if it is built. The pipeline owner is under no obligation to deliver that gas to the US instead of to, say, Alberta, Canada, if it is built and the gas is put into it. It may end up being a huge coup and a visionary accomplishment, but right now it’s just a risky gamble of a half billion dollars of tax payer money.

          • Martin_A_Knight
            1. So Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard. Cool. How does this translate to the supposition that Sarah Palin’s IQ in the low single digits? How does this translate to your belief that she has a disdain for education and achievement?

            2. On the gas pipeline; she has gotten it to the stage where it’s in the hands of the Federal government. It’s now out of her hands. Whether or not it ends up becoming a reality and a benefit to the United States, you cannot argue that she’s a person of no accomplishments.

          • olderthangandalf

            of taxpayer money and got no commitment in return. That’s an accomplishment. Fiscally conservative – maybe not. It’s easy to spend hundreds of millions without showing a definite result. It may still work out, but if a private company CEO spent money that way they might not even get their golden parachute.

            As for what Magna shows – it isn’t about Sarah Palin; it’s about your repeated assertion that we know nothing about how Obama did at Harvard. We know, in fact, that he did very, very well in a system where exams are graded anonymously. He is still wrong in his basic approach toward government, but it’s not because he’s stupid.

            Here’s the bottom line: John McCain and Sarah Palin are leading the Republican party headlong to a disastrous defeat of historic proportions. First step in coming back is acknowledging that Palin and all she represents is a huge part of the problem. Had McCain picked anyone else, we would have at three or four more Senators and a dozen more Congressmen next spring. McCain may be “amused” but he contributed mightily to this disaster. There is no reason for the rest of us to pretend not to see what we see; we need to start figuring out how to rebuild what was a great party before Bush-McCain very near destroyed it.

          • izoneguy

            Look at the negatives surrounding Obama. The tone of the campaign has to go nuclear in order to be heard above the roar of the MSM ass-kissing Obama.

            My friend I would be more worried about the negative tone of the country and the disaster that would befall it if led by a president Obama.

          • Tbone

            MCL from Princeton Law. Another complete idiot was a Harvard grad who was a University President that I got fired when I was on the Board of Regents. So, don’t give me the Ivy League crap.

            Personally, I think that Obama may be only marginally literate because he didn’t publish in the Review, he didn’t get a clerkship, iyt is obvious that Ayers wrote “Dreams” and the few writings I have read of his are pedantic to say the least.

          • Martin_A_Knight

            [n/t]

          • Moe_Lane

            I’m kind of curious, myself.

          • c17wife

            And obviously that is offensive to some.

            I am Sarah Palin. Her story, is my story. And we make NO apologies.

          • Martin_A_Knight

            Hey c17. Est ist kalt im Deustchland, ja?

          • JSobieski

            Your instincts are grap.

          • JSobieski

            Many people “write on” to law review instead of making it by grades. Law review does take time, and being Editor in Chief is an honor, but it doesn’t mean that worked particularly hard or that he is particularly smart.

            If he was truly a law school egg-head he would have clerked for the US Supreme Court, which is what the true law school egg-heads do.

            I am an IT lawyer and I was an editor for the Michigan Telecommunications and Technology Law Review—one of the first online law reviews in the country. I did not clerk after law school, but I didn’t take pap courses either.

            Our higher education system has a lot of fat in it outside of the technical fields.

          • JSobieski

            Not as a law student on law review.

            Not as a professor.

            Given that he has not released his transcripts, and his entire life seems to be an attempt to leave no paper trails, I have the right to be skeptical.

            I am skeptical of our system of higher education outside of technical fields.

          • olderthangandalf

            Agreed with an Illinois Supreme Court decision that fetuses cannot sue their mothers.

            http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprofblog/files/obamacase_comment.pdf

            It wasn’t signed, in accord with the standard Harvard practice, but it has been confirmed to be Obama’s work.

          • Moe_Lane
          • olderthangandalf

            Not everyone who could get a Supreme Court clerkship tries to get one.

            One of my co-clerks almost certainly could have had one, but decided not to apply for personal reasons. Another friend chose to do a White House fellowship, but odds are high that if he preferred he could have clerked for the court.

            It is a matter of public record that Obama was offered a DC Circuit clerkship by Abner Mikva, who at the time was a feeder judge to the Court (one of the clerks at the Court my year as a clerk was, indeed, a Mikva clerk). He turned it down. As a general rule, if the President of the Harvard Law Review wants to clerk on the Court, they get a clerkship. That would have been doubly true for the first black President, I suspect; I can’t imagine that one or another of the liberal justices would not have snapped him up. It’s interesting and a bit intriguing that he skipped adding that standard little resume builder, but it’s pretty certainly not because he would have been turned down.

            Write ons to law review are not necessarily less smart or intellectual than those who grade on (I graded on to my school’s law review, so I’m not being defensive here). Being able to write on also requires intelligence. Again, though, we know that Obama’s classwork was good, because he graduated Magna Cum Laude. At Harvard, exams are graded blind, and while there is affirmative action for admissions there’s no affirmative action curve in grading.

            Obama is wrong on a lot of important issues, but it’s not because he’s dumb. To repeatedly assert that he’s substandard intellectually with nothing to present as proof other than his race takes you to places where you don’t want to be.

          • Moe_Lane

            Email the Directors when you’re ready to do what site moderators tell you to do.

          • JSobieski

            A case comment does not an article make.

            They guy went on to become a professor and still published . . . nothing.

            There is a reason why is SAT, LSAT, Columbia transcript, and Harvard transcript have not been released.

            I’ll bet the course descriptions alone, if read on the 7pm news, would lower his polls by 5%.

          • JSobieski

            nt

          • Putter

            n/t

          • terilyn

            n/t

          • JSobieski

            I said he coasted, which all indications are that he did.

            There is a reason why Obama hasn’t released his transcripts.

            There is a reason why Obama hasn’t released his LSAT/SAT scores.

            There is a reason why his undergrad thesis at Columbia disappeared.

            There is a reason as to why Obama published nothing, even as a professor at U of Chicago law school.

            Are you even curious as to what those reasons are?

            Publish or perish, unless you are Obama.

            His actual intellectual abilities must be far less than his reputation. Moreover, releasing transcripts is pretty much required to get a job, right?

            There is every reason in the world to draw a negative inference from the collection of facts pertaining to Obama’s college and law school days. I peg him to be one of those post-modern legal scholars who spend all their time pontificating about the racism of Western society when it was Western society that actually ended slavery around the world.

          • JSobieski

            Only my version of coasting didn’t involve left-wing indoctrination classes—I just coasted on the classics.

          • terilyn

            LOL

          • terilyn

            Hmmmm, must be a BO supporter.

            So,

            Tell us exactly what “Republican values” that Obama represents that you are voting for.

          • seattle_ite

            …that a person with a very good education, doesn’t necessarily have any sense.

          • seattle_ite

            …doesn’t always qualify as a good endorsement. I lived in Mikva’s Chicago, and it wasn’t all that some would like to think.

          • seattle_ite

            When was the last time a truly conservative candidate, or proposal, lost when given a chance to speak to the voters? I was terribly disappointed in the nod for Dole in ’96, and had the same dread when Mac was nominated. The Palin pick has me, if not excited, at least less dreadful.

          • seattle_ite

            I’m tired of the “go-along-to-get-along” crowd in D.C. How many times does one need their hand bitten, before they stop reaching across the aisle????

          • seattle_ite

            …Gore and Kerry who, though left of center, aren’t nearly such ardent leftists as “The One”? Maybe you weren’t paying attention back in the day, but Reagan didn’t rise to the heights by pandering to Lib causes.

            This ticket was, at best, lukewarm before the Palin pick. Conservative positions still resonate with the true majority of Americans.

          • SeriousLaff

            because he didn’t do very much to win.

            Obama is a seriously flawed candidate that could have been beaten if McCain had opened his mouth and gone after him. The ammunition was there with Hoover tax policies, drivers licenses for illegas, global poverty act, share the weath, turning social security into a welfare program. The list goes on and on.

            Ten days before the election isn’t the time to start scaring the electorate with the truth. The debates would have been a good time to start.

          • seattle_ite

            We’d love to hear ‘em… Then shoot ‘em down.

          • SeriousLaff

            They may have 60 votes in the Senate. We can partially thank McCain for this as well. His immigration bill angered so many Republicans last election and that helped lose the Senate. Now, those that are left have there hands tied when it comes to fund raising by what McCain has done with campaign finance.

            McCain would be far better than Obama, but that is in no way a complement to McCain.

          • seattle_ite

            Can’t top that, sincerely.