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Turns out maybe “guns” weren’t the problem in Colorado.

Interesting story that won’t be reported in the media-that-used-to-be-important.

Just a tad of background.  The Colorado shooter was a graduate student at the University of Colorado.  He dropped out of school, acquired some guns and explosives and booby trapped his apartment and shot up the theater, killing and wounding a bunch of folks.  The immediate reaction from the left was there are too many guns available, they’re too easy to get and we need to ban “assault weapons” and tax ammunition and all sorts of stuff.  For the children.

Nobody bothers to note that the cities with highest murder rates happen to have the most restrictive gun laws.  See Detroit.  See Chicago.  Oh well.

As it turns out, maybe the real problem WASN’T the evil gun.  Maybe it was incompetency run rampant at the University of Colorado.  This, from the BBC because you won’t read it in any paper in the U.S.:

The psychiatrist who treated the Colorado shootings suspect notified his university’s threat-assessment team about him, US media reports.

Dr Lynne Fenton identified James Holmes, 24, to the group in June, more than a month before the shooting, Denver broadcaster KMGH reported.

But no further action was taken as the accused, a neuroscience doctorate, dropped out on 10 June. [...]

The school’s website says the group, known as the Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment team, is made up of high-ranking staff members from various departments who assess potential threats on campus.

The Denver Post also reported that Dr Fenton took her concerns about Mr Holmes to members of the threat-assessment team.

So the perp’s shrink thinks he’s a dangerous nutcase, notifies the university’s established “threat-assessment team”, he quits school and they don’t bother to tell anybody.  Hell of job by the university gnomes.

It’s my fondest hope that the families of the victims sue the University of Colorado and everybody involved in either forgetting to tell anybody or suppressing the information personally.

We don’t need gun control.  We need administrative gnome control.

 

COMMENTS

  • westcoastpatriette

    when it surfaced that Holmes had actually mailed a notebook to Dr. Fenton detailing plans to shoot people. Not only does the university bear some responsibility, but the doctor herself has the legal duty — with or without the knowledge or consent of school authorities — to notify the police and any potential victims of danger if they determine that someone may carry out their threats. The doctor also has the authority to place the patient on a psychiatric hold or arrest, if you will, to assess the danger and make appropriate decisions to protect the patient from themselves or others — again, with or without the consent of the school authorities.

    The initial reports were that this notebook was dilivered to the mail room at the school the Monday before the shooting, although, later reports denied that it was the Monday before but the Monday after the shooting. This info is critical in establishing whether there was negligence on the part of the doctor or the school or both. But, as usual, patient confidentiality rights gives everyone involved the cover to cover their tracks if necessary.

    If it’s true that Holmes mailed his plans to the doctor several days before he carried out his plans, it’s obvious to me that he was practically begging someone to stop him.

    • westcoastpatriette

      duh not enough coffee, yet.

    • Common_Cents

      who’s prints did it have on it and was it re-sealed? It seems real odd that a package would just happen to sit in a mail room undelivered.

      • Deskpilot

        who?s [ WHO IS ? ] prints did it have on it and…
        WHOSE prints did it have on it and…

        • Vegas_Rick

          Typo’s, misspellings and word usage shouldn’t be called out unless they materially affect the message.

    • Kyle-MI

      If she notified the school threat assessment team a month before, that would indicate to me she had a lot of evidence he was a threat even before the notebook appeared.

      • westcoastpatriette

        The info in the notebook is definitely just part of the picture. In order for a mental health professional to take action to have someone placed on a psychiatric hold or warn potential victims of the threat, there has to be evidence that there is imminent danger and usually, most of that evidence is verbal rather than written and it is spoken in the privacy of a doctor’s office. So, it goes without saying that the evidence necessary to justify taking action is somewhat subjective. That is part of the reason the notebook is so critical — especially the timing for when he sent it to the doc.

        • Kyle-MI

          She took action for the school. Why didn’t she take action for the general public. Maybe she didn’t have enough evidence for a hold, but she had enough for a warning. Or to put it another way, if profession ethics prevented her from warning the general public then she violated those when warning the school. It is either between the doctor and patient or it is shared with everyone.

  • carolina

    The ‘gown’ folks seem to think they aren’t part of the ‘town’. They deserve to be sued if they never informed local law enforcement.

  • carolina

    The ‘gown’ folks seem to think they aren’t part of the ‘town’. They deserve to be sued if they never informed local law enforcement.

  • Viet71

    This country spends uncounted billions on protecting against terrorists, but guys like James Holmes, who are a flashing and screaming red light-siren, casually pass unnoticed.

    Society needs better filters. Minimally invasive filters, but better ones.

    • bk

      I bet they also said that if he hadn’t been white that he would have been arrested earlier, so it was caused by racism + lack of gun control.

      • Viet71

        It was a comment on how all the money we waste on so-called homeland security fails to protect us against domestic terrorists.

        • Jack_Savage

          I wrote about it here a little over a year ago in relation to another massacre:

          http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2011/01/09/is-the-aclu-directly-responsible-for-the-massacre-in-arizona/

          This will go on forever – sort of the NIMBY version of mental illness.

          • Viet71

            The ACLU is a great defender of civil liberties.

            It was right on Citizens United. Wrong on ACA — totally, completely wrong.

            Thing is, ACLU will defend the Right’s right to speak. The Left will not.

          • streiff

            democracy is a suicide pact.

            Whatever good they do on 1st Amendment, they do offsetting damage in other areas.

          • Viet71

            Courtesy of Amendment I. It’s where the action is, practically speaking.

            ACLU gives it up on abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, and some others.

            But abortion is off the table legally because of Roe and Casey. Gay marriage is a big deal to many but not all conservatives. Affirmative action will be before the Supreme Court this Fall.

            The biggie is freedom of expression. The Leftist lawyers at ACLU will go to bat for any conservative over free speech. That’s very close to my heart and mind.

          • mikefrey

            Seems to me they are always on the other side.

          • JSobieski

            The ACLU is actually pretty good on free speech. Where they stink is on the establishment clause.

          • Jack_Savage

            But they are definitely part of the problem

            As long as the “A” in “CYA” is shielded, no one seems to mind the collateral damage of a few people murdered in a parking lot or movie theater.

            I would ask you to do research or talk to someone in the mental health profession about the helplessness they feel when someone who does not have the judgment to decide anything about their own treatment decides to go off their meds. They are nothing more than a time bomb waiting to go off, and the ACLU seems to want to keep them that way. As long as that is the case, people are going to die.

          • demsaresatanic

            It is an enemy of America and those who love America, any kind words for it is naive nonsense.

          • demsaresatanic

            For a list of examples see, http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewArticle.asp?id=27438

            How many on that list do you agree with?

          • mikefrey

            When I see the ACLU, I read the ‘A’ as ‘anti’

          • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

            admin as well. And just like in Colorado when he dropped out of school they breathed a sigh of relief and did exactly nothing.

          • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

            they were busy worrying about forest fires around the state. It won’t surprise me when that excuse is brought out by Colorado.

    • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

      to create the situation where a guy like [CO or AZ shooter] could not be legally picked up and detained for being a nut case, they can stew in their own juice.

      Valid point? Bulls**t. Did your source bother to offer a solution that didn’t include gutting the defense department and was focused on giving LOCAL – not federal – officials the power do actually act before the crime?

  • bk

    1) Person drives van loaded with explosives onto UC campus.
    2) He phones UC authorities.
    3) They notify BETA contact, who alerts rest of BETA team.
    4) He calls back and says he has moved his van off campus.
    5) BETA team calls off alert since there is no problem. Whew!

  • funwithknives

    Victims, their kin, and other ‘affected’ principals, lawyers are gonna have a field day with this. This tragedy now has a Monetary focal point/deep pockets go go wild on. You just gotta know it will happen

    One Point of Contention: Detroit is mentioned in the diary as having restrictive gun laws.
    We’ve got state pre-emption here and Detroit cannot be any more restrictive than Lansing allows.
    Permitted Shall-Issue is legal.
    As-Is open carry for those times when you just HAVE TO be the Center of Attention and want thousands call you an ‘extremist’, and things far worse.

    Castle doctrine and stand your ground are legal.
    Yet we have a bunch of murders ,seemingly every day,to the point where “….it’s just another day on ‘The Planet Dee’…”

    It’s funny no one in Media hereabouts gets too worked up about where Crime Guns,used locally, come from or their history,
    records-wise.
    In fact, it is a story that is NEVER COVERED……

    Want gun control, city wise?
    New York City, for one. How about any city in CALLY? Massachusetts as a whole? Pittsburgh or Philly? Columbus, Ohio?

  • Mike Ferguson

    I also know that the Psychiatrist could have also issued an emergency hold on him. Now, I understand why doctors don’t like to do this but if she thought he was dangerous enough to report then she should have insisted he go in for treatments.

    Isn’t it funny how as more and more evidence comes out we once again find a failing of the Mental Health system in America. This is starting to look suspiciously like a replay of the Gabby Giffords shooting. Everyone knew that the shooter was unstable but basically nothing was done to either help him or keep him from hurting others.

    • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

      School was his workplace and that’s where he got the idea to be violent.

      And lease alert Harry Reid. There is already a somewhat plausible conspiracy story circulating on the internet that Holmes isn’t even the actual shooter. It even accounts for the orange hair.

  • runner12

    From the Penn State corruption to the incompetency of this University to act on the information they received, the disarray that American colleges are in is being exposed.

    This was never about guns. It was about the failure to take sufficient action when a clear case of serious mental disturbance was identified. It was the same in AZ with the shootings there.

    People who are insane and bent on destruction will use any means available to carry out their attacks. If it was not guns, it would be some other weapon. It is the way we deal with people with mental health issues that needs an overhaul, not more gun control.

  • rabidcaveman

    where he got the money?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-the-nih-did-not-give-money-directly-20120724,0,4358097.story?track=rss

  • thurman

    I was just noticing myself the other day how the CO shootings vanished overnight from the media after all the 24/7 coverage, I suspect this is no small part

    I hope to God the truth comes out and, if administrators at the Univ did fail to act on this, they get tarred and feathered in court

    Couple this with the Penn St fiasco, and all of a sudden you have a pretty stunning narrative about the absolutely corrupt way universities internally stifle any controversial criminal events and how it literally causes lives to be destroyed. There was a recent case where a Brown student was accused of rape by the student daughter of a wealthy alum donor, and intimidated and run out of town with no due process– they are both opposite sides of the same coin.

    I hope this pulls the curtain wide open on the abuses of freedom and due process going on by out of control university administrators right now.

    Let’s also discuss how an unemployed grad student could (legally) purchase such an arsenal– maybe he shouldn’t have had such easy access to taxpayer subsidized loans, NIH grants, etc or wherever the money apparently came from. It sure looks like he had plenty more money than he needed to pay for living expenses.

    Funny how when the narrative shifts from “gun control” to the corrup higher ed system, the media shuts all coverage down

    • kowalski

      My estimate is less than $7,500, all of which could easily have been accumulated by someone receiving unemployment benefits, not paying their rent (he was about to be kicked out) and receiving money from his parents. My guess is that he did all of this with taxpayer + mom & dad’s money, accumulated over several months while lying to everyone. Now of course he can’t remember anything.

      People who say how much money it might have been don’t 1) know what they’re talking about and 2) they don’t know how easy it is for intelligent people to sponge.

      I lived in Baltimore near Johns Hopkins and every weekend a few dozen dropouts and hangers on pretended to be homeless on the weekends so they could collect $250 or more a weekend. That’s all you have to be is a little smarter than the drunken idiot coming out of a bar with his girlfriend.

      The girlfriend says: “Oh, give them a dollar or two George, it’s terrrrrrible” and he throws a few bucks at them. Then the “desparate homeless” go home and take your money, order a week’s worth of food and dope, screw each other’s brains out for a few days, hang out at the local convenience store, and by next Friday they’re right back at it. It’s a good freeload life. All you have to be is a smarter-than-average jerkwad who doesn’t want to work for a living. Happens all the time at our A1 Research Universities.

  • naraht

    is between those who believe there is a limit to the amount of Guns/Ammunition that one should own that those that don’t. If someone believes that there is a limit (or even a limit to the amount which can be purchased at one time) then at that that point you are into “negotiation”.

    The question though is “Straw Purchases” for export.

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