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		<title>By: gamecock</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/mckinley/2008/10/25/is-there-a-pro-life-party/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>gamecock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;position on partial birth and the born alive infant protection act.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;guess you missed it&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;everyday for weeks&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>position on partial birth and the born alive infant protection act.</p>
<p>guess you missed it</p>
<p>everyday for weeks</p>
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		<title>By: Tim_Schieferecke</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/mckinley/2008/10/25/is-there-a-pro-life-party/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim_Schieferecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Well said.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Gandalf</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/mckinley/2008/10/25/is-there-a-pro-life-party/#comment-5</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;As an Evangelical Christian, I would (sadly) wager that you are an Evangelical Christian as well. Why do I guess this? Because I&#039;m hearing more and more of this total ignorance from people of our religious persuasion as we have no historical or political context in which to form our beliefs. We&#039;ve worked for the pro-life movement for the last 8 years, and still abortion is available. The answer MUST be that nobody really cares. But that&#039;s ignoring the way the real world works.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So let me give you some historical context: When Regan took office in 1980, there were little to no conservative judges anywhere in the federal court system. We can blame this on Nixon/Ford, but the fact remains. The way the nomination process works, the Courts must be influenced from the bottom up. We can&#039;t simply come in and try to put people on the Supreme Court without having them in lower courts first. Regan was the beginning of this. Sadly, he did fail on several of his nominees. Bush Sr. had a wider bench to choose from and had a better record at selecting justices. W. has had even a wider bench and give us 2 excellent judges and NO bad ones. We&#039;re now within 1 judge of overturning RvW and other unconstitutional court rulings.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have no reason to think that McCain won&#039;t give us good justices. He supported both Alito and Roberts (indeed, we have him to thank for Alito&#039;s presence on the court today), and he has said that he will nominate justices like these two. At the very worst he would replace Justices Stephens and Ginsburg with someone like Kennedy or O&#039;Connor. That&#039;s a massive shift to the right. More  likely, he&#039;d give us someone like Roberts, which seals the conservative ideology of the court for at least five years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And your notion that the Republican party has done nothing for the pro-life movement is just false and worse than ignorant. We passed the Born-Alive Protection Act. We passed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban. We are withholding federal monies from supporting abortions in other countries. We passed the Unborn Victims of Crime Bill. We cut funding to the UN&#039;s abortion services. We have supported the right of conscience for doctors/pharmacists who do not wish to perform abortion or distribute abortion inducing drugs. We&#039;ve introduced numerous state restrictions across the country, including one on that ballot in S. Dakota to forbid all abortions except in the case of rape, incest, or the life of the mother. This year, we have the strongest pro-life plank EVER in our National Platform, and we have successfully been able to force the Democrats to soften theirs (even as they nominated the most avid and blood-thirsty pro-death candidate ever).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Get your facts straight. You have been lied to. The Left, and the pro-death agenda behind it, are the ones who are trying to convince you that the Republicans don&#039;t care about the pro-life movement, despite the facts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And don&#039;t take my word for it. Check out Dr. Dobson&#039;s latest update. Check out the Free Republic&#039;s article on Pro-Life advancements in the last 8 years:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.citizenlink.org/focusaction/updates/A000008358.cfm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2106680/posts&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just as we&#039;re within striking distance of our goal (overturning RvW), you want to throw in the towel? That&#039;s insane. That, sir, is the very definition of pro-abortion.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Evangelical Christian, I would (sadly) wager that you are an Evangelical Christian as well. Why do I guess this? Because I&#8217;m hearing more and more of this total ignorance from people of our religious persuasion as we have no historical or political context in which to form our beliefs. We&#8217;ve worked for the pro-life movement for the last 8 years, and still abortion is available. The answer MUST be that nobody really cares. But that&#8217;s ignoring the way the real world works.</p>
<p>So let me give you some historical context: When Regan took office in 1980, there were little to no conservative judges anywhere in the federal court system. We can blame this on Nixon/Ford, but the fact remains. The way the nomination process works, the Courts must be influenced from the bottom up. We can&#8217;t simply come in and try to put people on the Supreme Court without having them in lower courts first. Regan was the beginning of this. Sadly, he did fail on several of his nominees. Bush Sr. had a wider bench to choose from and had a better record at selecting justices. W. has had even a wider bench and give us 2 excellent judges and NO bad ones. We&#8217;re now within 1 judge of overturning RvW and other unconstitutional court rulings.</p>
<p>We have no reason to think that McCain won&#8217;t give us good justices. He supported both Alito and Roberts (indeed, we have him to thank for Alito&#8217;s presence on the court today), and he has said that he will nominate justices like these two. At the very worst he would replace Justices Stephens and Ginsburg with someone like Kennedy or O&#8217;Connor. That&#8217;s a massive shift to the right. More  likely, he&#8217;d give us someone like Roberts, which seals the conservative ideology of the court for at least five years.</p>
<p>And your notion that the Republican party has done nothing for the pro-life movement is just false and worse than ignorant. We passed the Born-Alive Protection Act. We passed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban. We are withholding federal monies from supporting abortions in other countries. We passed the Unborn Victims of Crime Bill. We cut funding to the UN&#8217;s abortion services. We have supported the right of conscience for doctors/pharmacists who do not wish to perform abortion or distribute abortion inducing drugs. We&#8217;ve introduced numerous state restrictions across the country, including one on that ballot in S. Dakota to forbid all abortions except in the case of rape, incest, or the life of the mother. This year, we have the strongest pro-life plank EVER in our National Platform, and we have successfully been able to force the Democrats to soften theirs (even as they nominated the most avid and blood-thirsty pro-death candidate ever).</p>
<p>Get your facts straight. You have been lied to. The Left, and the pro-death agenda behind it, are the ones who are trying to convince you that the Republicans don&#8217;t care about the pro-life movement, despite the facts.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t take my word for it. Check out Dr. Dobson&#8217;s latest update. Check out the Free Republic&#8217;s article on Pro-Life advancements in the last 8 years:</p>
<p>http://www.citizenlink.org/focusaction/updates/A000008358.cfm<br />
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2106680/posts</p>
<p>Just as we&#8217;re within striking distance of our goal (overturning RvW), you want to throw in the towel? That&#8217;s insane. That, sir, is the very definition of pro-abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim_Schieferecke</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/mckinley/2008/10/25/is-there-a-pro-life-party/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim_Schieferecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Perfection in a candidate is not possible.  Ask anyone here about the R primaries, and they&#039;ll tell you I completely opposed McCain till he was the candidate.  Things never magically change over night, but I&#039;ll take McCain&#039;s judicial appointments anyday over Obama&#039;s.  The next president will have at least 2 SCOTUS appointments, and if you want Ginsberg replaced with a 35-40 year old far leftist that could be there for the next 40 years, by all means maintain your course of inaction.  It is a free country after all, but will it continue to be?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfection in a candidate is not possible.  Ask anyone here about the R primaries, and they&#8217;ll tell you I completely opposed McCain till he was the candidate.  Things never magically change over night, but I&#8217;ll take McCain&#8217;s judicial appointments anyday over Obama&#8217;s.  The next president will have at least 2 SCOTUS appointments, and if you want Ginsberg replaced with a 35-40 year old far leftist that could be there for the next 40 years, by all means maintain your course of inaction.  It is a free country after all, but will it continue to be?</p>
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		<title>By: David123</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/mckinley/2008/10/25/is-there-a-pro-life-party/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>David123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;First, even if no laws are changed, with Sarah Palin on the national stage, leading by example, some women will simply follow her example and choose life even though they retain a legal option of abortion.  Sarah Palin is certainly one Republican politician who is pro-life from the heart.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second: Judges appointed by Obama will consider abortion to be a fundamental constitutional right; abortion will remain a fundamental constitutional right for the next 50 years.  Judges appointed by McCain will be sympathetic to overturning Roe v Wade since the text of the constitution makes no mention of a right to abortion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Third: Consider what is realistically possible short-term.  Under a McCain presidency, states such as South Dakota will probably be able to ban abortion except for rape victims or when needed to save the life of the mother.  If abortion is legal in some states and illegal in others, abortions will decline.  Women who passionately want abortions will travel out of state to get them, but women who are on the fence are likely to avoid abortions if they must travel to get them. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fourth: An Obama presidency wouldn&#039;t just be pro-choice, it would be actively pro-abortion, and might even be pro-infanticide in some cases. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, even if no laws are changed, with Sarah Palin on the national stage, leading by example, some women will simply follow her example and choose life even though they retain a legal option of abortion.  Sarah Palin is certainly one Republican politician who is pro-life from the heart.</p>
<p>Second: Judges appointed by Obama will consider abortion to be a fundamental constitutional right; abortion will remain a fundamental constitutional right for the next 50 years.  Judges appointed by McCain will be sympathetic to overturning Roe v Wade since the text of the constitution makes no mention of a right to abortion.</p>
<p>Third: Consider what is realistically possible short-term.  Under a McCain presidency, states such as South Dakota will probably be able to ban abortion except for rape victims or when needed to save the life of the mother.  If abortion is legal in some states and illegal in others, abortions will decline.  Women who passionately want abortions will travel out of state to get them, but women who are on the fence are likely to avoid abortions if they must travel to get them. </p>
<p>Fourth: An Obama presidency wouldn&#8217;t just be pro-choice, it would be actively pro-abortion, and might even be pro-infanticide in some cases. </p>
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		<title>By: Moe_Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/mckinley/2008/10/25/is-there-a-pro-life-party/#comment-2</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe_Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;...Voting for the only candidate who can keep this candidate from doing that is a responsibility.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>&#8230;Voting for the only candidate who can keep this candidate from doing that is a responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Strelnikov</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/mckinley/2008/10/25/is-there-a-pro-life-party/#comment-1</link>
		<dc:creator>Strelnikov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The behavior of guards in Siberia and in the Nazi concentration camps has been examined throughout the decades.  People have always wondered: how did they &quot;go to work&quot; day after day knowing that they would be overseeing and managing death? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The answer lies in the structure of the human brain: the satiety factor.  There is a part of the brain which allows us to become accustomed to anything.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look at roller coasters in America: contraptions that would have been illegal 40 years ago are now standard.  Many put more stress on riders than flying in the Space Shuttle.  How is this possible?  Because people got used to roller coasters at 50 MPH and at 30 degree angles and became bored with them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The abortion fight is 35 years old, and by definition, therefore, to many Americans boring.  The abortion fight is an old roller coaster.   Another year, another million babies dead: we have gotten used to the carnage.  Like Siberia and the Nazi camps, the clinics are &quot;far away,&quot; silent, basically invisible, although everyone knows they exist and what is happening there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I understand your frustration with the Republicans: I do not agree with not voting, since a victory by Dems will probably mean an expansion of infanticide with the possibility of opening up euthanasia coast-to-coast.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Americans are ambivalent: I have known people who want abortions for the rape and incest possibilities, but otherwise want it banned.  Others are absolutists in favor of a complete ban.  But humans have been ambivalent about this since the caves: most villages had the local &quot;old woman with a stick&quot; to handle the population rate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When the Leftists lost the battle over the nature of the embryo (i.e. is it human?) in the early years of the debate, they successfully switched to the &quot;pro-choice&quot; argument, which puts the decision/responsibility/sin/crime (take your pick) on the head of the mother, thereby allowing American society to become like Pilate and walk away from the controversy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That walking away from the problem simply allows human life in general to become cheapened for our society, and creates an atmosphere of selfishness where consequences can be undone (seemingly), is what we see around us today.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But what is the Leftist agenda?  Relativism, no consequences, no religion to make you feel bad, no &quot;truth&quot; except for personal opinion, etc.  We have seen how attractive this agenda has been to the weaker minded, and if not weaker minded, to the weaker personalities in our society.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pragmatism prevents the Republican party from being truly pro-life, and so the party pros give lip-service.  The reason for the pragmatism is the ambivalence mentioned above in our society.  Change the ambivalence in America and you will change the party&#039;s pragmatic thinking.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I hope you reconsider abstaining!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The behavior of guards in Siberia and in the Nazi concentration camps has been examined throughout the decades.  People have always wondered: how did they &#8220;go to work&#8221; day after day knowing that they would be overseeing and managing death? </p>
<p>The answer lies in the structure of the human brain: the satiety factor.  There is a part of the brain which allows us to become accustomed to anything.</p>
<p>Look at roller coasters in America: contraptions that would have been illegal 40 years ago are now standard.  Many put more stress on riders than flying in the Space Shuttle.  How is this possible?  Because people got used to roller coasters at 50 MPH and at 30 degree angles and became bored with them.</p>
<p>The abortion fight is 35 years old, and by definition, therefore, to many Americans boring.  The abortion fight is an old roller coaster.   Another year, another million babies dead: we have gotten used to the carnage.  Like Siberia and the Nazi camps, the clinics are &#8220;far away,&#8221; silent, basically invisible, although everyone knows they exist and what is happening there.</p>
<p>I understand your frustration with the Republicans: I do not agree with not voting, since a victory by Dems will probably mean an expansion of infanticide with the possibility of opening up euthanasia coast-to-coast.</p>
<p>Americans are ambivalent: I have known people who want abortions for the rape and incest possibilities, but otherwise want it banned.  Others are absolutists in favor of a complete ban.  But humans have been ambivalent about this since the caves: most villages had the local &#8220;old woman with a stick&#8221; to handle the population rate.</p>
<p>When the Leftists lost the battle over the nature of the embryo (i.e. is it human?) in the early years of the debate, they successfully switched to the &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; argument, which puts the decision/responsibility/sin/crime (take your pick) on the head of the mother, thereby allowing American society to become like Pilate and walk away from the controversy.</p>
<p>That walking away from the problem simply allows human life in general to become cheapened for our society, and creates an atmosphere of selfishness where consequences can be undone (seemingly), is what we see around us today.</p>
<p>But what is the Leftist agenda?  Relativism, no consequences, no religion to make you feel bad, no &#8220;truth&#8221; except for personal opinion, etc.  We have seen how attractive this agenda has been to the weaker minded, and if not weaker minded, to the weaker personalities in our society.</p>
<p>Pragmatism prevents the Republican party from being truly pro-life, and so the party pros give lip-service.  The reason for the pragmatism is the ambivalence mentioned above in our society.  Change the ambivalence in America and you will change the party&#8217;s pragmatic thinking.</p>
<p>So I hope you reconsider abstaining!</p>
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