I am in awe of how succinctly Col. Allen West (USA, Retired) has laid to waste any arguments that the jihad on Fort Hood was anything other than just that. In every word written by West, I am in complete agreement:
We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact that there are some who have now created an entire new classification called; “pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)” is unconscionable.
The Jurassic Media has bent over backwards to reframe the blame to anyone other than Hasan that Cirque du Soleil would be proud of them. Now we have PTSD-by proxy? Please, what idiots do the media and this administration take us for? West also states:
Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of fact he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous statements, poor evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him under investigation for jihadist website posting should have been proof positive.
Now we learn superiors wondered if Hasan was psychotic, had ties to some odd people the government has yet to name but were under FBI investigation, Hasan’s his 2007 slide presentation to fellow Army doctors on “The Koranic World View As It Relates to Muslims in the Military,” Hasan spelled it out: “We love death more then (sic) you love life!”
Just how many red flags have to be flown? Hasan was doing everything but a can-can dance and STILL no one wanted to have the religion of perpetually outraged accuse them of racial or religious profiling.
Can you tell me what these all have in common?
1972, Muslims murdered Israelis at the Olympic games.
1979, Iran: Muslim held US hostages for 444 days.
1983, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut. Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.
· U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut. Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.
· Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.
1984
· Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
· Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.
1985
· April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
· June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
· Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
· Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.
1986
· April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
· April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.
1988 Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims’ families.
1993 Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995
· April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort.
· Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996 June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia:truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998 Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania:truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000 Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
2001 Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)
2002 June 14, Karachi, Pakistan:bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.
2003 May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia:suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
2004
· May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia:terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
· June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
· Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan:suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.
· Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4
2006 Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.
2007
· Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.
· Dec. 11, Algeria:more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria’s Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices.
2008
· May 26, Iraq:a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya.
· June 24, Iraq:a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
· June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province.
· July 13, Afghanistan:nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It’s the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years.
· Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan:as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed.
· Sept. 16, Yemen:a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
· Nov. 26, India:in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai’s landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.
2009
· Feb. 9, Iraq: A suicide bomber kills four American soldiers and their Iraqi translator near a police checkpoint.
· April 10, Iraq: A suicide attack kills five American soldiers and two Iraqi policemen.
· Fort Hood.
Is there any doubt the common denominator coupled with common sense would define the actions of Major Hasan any different than the attacks listed above? Colonel West made it as plain as day:
This is not a “man caused disaster”. It is what it is, an Islamic jihadist attack. Truth is, sometimes things are exactly what they appear to be.

SHOOTER IS ALSO A
reelman Wednesday, November 11th at 7:59PM EST (link)Not only is this not just the act of a single crazed individual, it is much more than even a terrorist attack. It is an act of treason in a time of war. After a General Courts Martial, Hasan should face a firing squad.. Please note that all legal criteria for a treason charge are fully met —
An American soldier taking up arms against the US Military during a time of war. Aided and conforted by an organization that has declared war against us and vowed to destroy us. The final criteria is that he did, in fact, inflict fatal injuries to American military personnel.
The enemy is adapting to the new reality of this war. Leaderless cells conducting military attacks that appear to be individual acts and thus have plausible deniability. This allows useful idiots to defend the perpetrators as nut cases within the envelope of our own civil criminal justice system
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Melissa, if you ever get to meet Col. West, you'll be in even more awe.
Kenny Solomon Wednesday, November 11th at 8:04PM EST (link)This is a good man. He’s also one of the nicest guys on the planet.
If we get him in The House for Florida, good things will happen. As a nation, we will benefit from Col. West’s common sense approach to everything.
Cheers from South Flori-duh (Broward County) !
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
From Brigitte Gabriel's "They Must Be Stopped."
ColdWarrior Wednesday, November 11th at 8:10PM EST (link)“In 2006 the Pentagon assigned intelligence analysts to write a report about the source of Islamic extremism flaring around the world. They wanted to find out what is driving educated young men, and in some cases women, to commit such horrible acts of suicide and murder. The outcome of the briefing was politically incorrect and explosive. It is the Koran, the holy Islamic book, that is driving them. It is the religion itself, straight from the mouth of the Prophet Mohammed, the perfect man, according to Muslims.”
(P. 63.)
Ms. Gabriel goes on to describe how the Pentagon briefing paper explained how the researchers also found that “the more a Muslim understood the Koran and its teaching, the more immoderate he became as he headed toward the purer form of what Mohammed taught.”
(P. 63.)
I highly recommend the book. Ms. Gabriel has started a web-based project to inform and motivate Americans to demand their government, at all levels, protect us from these evildoers:
http://www.actforamerica.org
Pamela Gellar is also writing about this issue at http://www.atlasshrugs.com
I couldn’t find the source, but I believe the following statement is true: Every single day since 9-11-2001, somewhere on this planet a practiioner of the “Religion of Peace” has blown himself or herself up and killed innocent bystanders. And now it has, essentially, been attempted here in America, as no doubt Hasan thought he was going to be killed by the authorities or would turn one of his guns on himself so he could meet his 72 virgins.
When are we, as a nation, going to put a stop to the “Stealth Jihad” that is happening here in America before our very eyes? (See also Robert Spencer’s book “Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam Is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs.”) When are we going to face the facts that the Koran is a cook book for terror?
Thank you,
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The Qur'an is not a book for terror.
Martin Knight Thursday, November 12th at 5:06AM EST (link)I am a Muslim, I should know.
I don’t blame Christianity for Torquemada’s depradations or any of the other atrocities committed in Christianity’s name and I’ll thank you not to use the actions of idiots - the fact that it’s mostly Arabs who commit these crimes tells you that it’s primarily cultural - to slime an entire religion.
Nothing should be more disturbing to a Muslim than hearing another Muslim say “We love death more than you love life!” - especially since virtually anything (pork, alcohol, etc.) is allowed to save a life, yours and anyone else’s. Saving one life in Islam, including your own, is as if you’ve saved the entire world - taking one, including your own, is as bad as murdering millions. Unless lives are at risk, willingly going on a suicide mission is haram.
Hasan opened fire on people with their backs turned to him, betrayed a trust (Amanah), and fired indiscriminately on women and children. In addition, he obviously went in *hoping* to be killed - in other words, an act of suicide.
It would be stupid to pretend (like the media and Army brass are doing) that Islam had nothing to do with Hasan’s murderous rampage - but it is not Islam in any way close to what Muhammad (SAW) preached and practiced.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Well actually Martin why would you even bring up...
JadedByPolitics Thursday, November 12th at 6:14AM EST (link)Torquemada which happened during the Spanish Inquisition and throw that out in 2009? Those arguments against Christianity and the CENTURIES that have passed since the time of those who fought in the the name of Christianity have LONG PASSED!
OBTW the bible does indeed have VIOLENT passages however it is the RARE Christian who uses those passages to KILL however I can give you at least 100 incidences in just the pat 6 months AROUND THE WORLD of those who have used the Koran and its passages to MURDER innocent civilians.
I personally have defended Muslims and their religion mostly you on here BUT guess what Martin? that time has come to a close…WHY? because expect for a smattering of people like yourself there are no MASSIVE groups of Muslims coming to the fore to call out the RADICALS! There is no call to prayer around the world to call for the end to those who kill in the name of Allah and they are NOT all Arabs. Though it would be nice if we could pin them down to one set of people out of the Middle East.
I would like as an American who has lost ANY and ALL patience with the insanity of those who use the religion of Islam to MURDER and DESTROY whole countries in the name of Allah and would like to see a Reformation just like Christianity had which ENDED murder in the name of such!
If you cannot argue anything other then a centuries old issue to defend Islam don’t you recognize that the fight for those who are moderates is over?
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Jaded: Look at it this way ...
Martin Knight Thursday, November 12th at 8:37AM EST (link)If I were living back then, with no view of the future, would it be fair of me to condemn for all time the religion of Christianity? Remember that there were no massive groups calling for the end of the Inquisition and it, in fact, had the support and blessing of Popes.
At some point in time - and I pray it will be soon - there would be a confrontation between the new kharijites and the rest of us who take seriously the religious injunctions to love our neighbors and protect them above ourselves irrespective of religion.
I don’t know when or where it will happen … just like I wouldn’t know what Christians would be like in the future if I were living all those centuries ago.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
However it is still unrealistic to throw out centuries...
JadedByPolitics Thursday, November 12th at 8:46AM EST (link)old murders in the name of Christianity to fight the battle within Islam in the 21st century. It is a FALSE argument and ADVANCES nothing!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
The difference between the violence in the Bible vs the Koran is 180 degrees
Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, November 12th at 9:06AM EST (link)The Koran admonishes beleivers to kill NOW in conversion efforts.
The Bible in the OT and NT never admonish nor RECOUNT conversion killings and do not contain any admonishments to kill into the future.
What the Bible does do is recount PAST episodes of war between Israel and other peoples.
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No, Mike ... the Qur'an does not instruct believers to kill in order to convert.
Martin Knight Thursday, November 12th at 11:54AM EST (link)In fact, one of the last chapters of the Qur’an (Al-Kaffirun - the Unbelievers) as arranged by the Prophet (S.A.W.) is explicit about that.
Here’s something the extremists would rather everyone forgets - the Prophet never forced anyone to convert to Islam. In his time, and even at the height of his power, he lived among Jews and Christians and forgave those who attacked him … even those who attacked him physically.
People who attacked other Muslims - without provocation, I might add - those he had no mercy for unless they asked for forgiveness and gave their word to refrain from such acts. The Qur’an explicitly forbids wars of aggression and they are so many rules with regard to warfare and waging it for Muslims that it’ll put the UCMJ to shame.
Which is why you see the absurd lengths to which people like Bin Laden go to discover something, anything that they can point to as a sign of “oppression” or “aggression.”
Another issue is that Arab culture has always been exceedingly warlike, tribal and very political in that context. They fought and feuded over everything. And a lot of that was infused into the religion when it was being spread.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Still Willfully Blind by Andy McCarthy - The Koran, etc says what they say - we can read, but
Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, November 12th at 1:05PM EST (link)we are thankful for Muslims that have “re-interpreted” same to create a new Islam. God bless you MAK
Now, to McCarthy:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWE4YTM3MmZlODFjYjUxYzg3MzNlZWIzMjE0MmIwMWU=
President Obama at Fort Hood today: “It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy. But this much we do know — no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor.”
Really?
At his blog today, Andrew Bostom, a scholar of jihadism, cites the following passage from “Reliance of the Traveler,” a widely distributed manual of Islamic law produced by al-Azhar University in Egypt, the most authoritative interpreters of theology and sharia jurisprudence in Sunni Islam, the dominant tradition among the world’s Muslims:
Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and, is etymologically derived from the word, mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion [of Islam]…The scriptural basis for jihad is such Koranic verses as “Fighting is prescribed for you” (Koran 2:216); “Slay them wherever you find them” (Koran 4:89); “Fight the idolators utterly” (Koran 9:36); and such hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] as the one related by (Sahih) Bukhari and (Sahih) Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And the final reckoning is with Allah”; and the hadith by (Sahih) Muslim, “To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it.”
As Dr. Bostom points out, the first hadith referred to in the passage — the one in which Mohammed explains that Allah has commanded the Muslims to fight non-Muslims — was cited by Nidal Hasan in slide 43 of the June 7, 2007 presentation that Jonah discusses in his excellent column today.
Not to beat a dead horse on this, but in 2001, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an al-Azhar graduated doctor of Islamic jurisprudence who is the spiritual guide of the Muslim Brotherhood and the most influential Sunni cleric in the world, issued a fatwa approving suicide bombings against Israel. In 2003, with the male jihadists being caught too often before they could strike, Qaradawi expanded the fatwa to approve suicide bombings by women. In 2004, he issued a fatwa calling for the killing of American troops in Iraq, and later expanded this authorization to include the killing of American civilian support personnel. (As Qaradawi put it: “All of the Americans in Iraq are combatants, there is no difference between civilians and soldiers, and one should fight them, since the American civilians came to Iraq in order to serve the occupation. The abduction and killing of Americans in Iraq is a [religious] obligation so as to cause them to leave Iraq immediately.”)
In 2005, the State Department’s director of public diplomacy in the region, Alberto Fernandez, pronounced that Qaradawi was an “intelligent and thoughtful voice from the region, . . . an important figure that deserves our attention.” (Fernandez was speaking in an interview on Islam Online, Qaradawi’s venture for spreading his interpretation of Islam via the Internet — a venture that enables him to reach millions of Muslims, beyond the millions who watch his weekly al-Jezeera televison program about sharia.)
In national security, we are supposed to put in charge adults who are capable of getting outside their own biases and childish fantasies. It doesn’t matter what President Obama thinks about faith; his obligation is to acknowledge and act on what others understand their faith to compel — even if the president finds that horrifying to contemplate.
After the carnage we’ve seen for two decades, and the high religious authorities that have endorsed it, it is simply astounding that an American president — at a solemn memorial service for soldiers killed just days ago by a jihadist acting on his rational, broadly accepted understanding of his religious duty — could claim that “no faith justifies” sneak-attack murders, and that no religion teaches that “God looks upon them with favor.” In fact, a widely held interpretation of Islam holds exactly these principles. No one is saying that all Muslims follow Hasan’s construction of Islam, but hundreds of millions do and they have scriptures to back up their beliefs — scriptures we could all read if we’d just pull our heads out of the sand.
To deny that is to deny reality. A country can’t be protected by people who lack the will to face reality.
end McCarthy
More devine later
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Those verses are for when war has already begun
Martin Knight Friday, November 13th at 4:03AM EST (link)And as for the Hadiths, there are always questions (though Buhari and Muslim are the highest authorities) as to the authenticity and interpretion. Where those questions arise, we look to Muhammad’s example and note that he never forced a conversion at the point of a sword or threat of force - even when he took Makkah, the pagans resident there were left unharmed and unmolested; he explicitly declared them to be under his protection.
If my recollection is correct, he even returned the key to the Ka’aba to its traditional non-Muslim custodian afterwards because he had given his word to do so.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Martin
Hooah_Mac Friday, November 13th at 4:34AM EST (link)This is why the issue is such a problem. On the one hand is a particular interpretation of the Koran, which you clearly champion and is no threat to the rest of the human race.
On the other hand is a different interpretation as well as centuries of practical application by Muslims. The biggest problem I see is that anytime someone tries to call out those with the violent and negative interpretation, someone will claim that doing so is a racist insult against those who interpret it your way.
It is fascinating, there are crazies that have done things and claimed a Christian basis for it, and have been widely slapped down and refuted by the rest of the Christian world. I do not see that happening with these Islamic incidents. Instead there are a few voices, while the majority of the Islamic world either agress with the extremist in question or stays silent.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
Hooah_Mac: Well ...
Martin Knight Friday, November 13th at 7:20AM EST (link)… I can point out that the “Christian crazies” being slapped down is of somewhat recent (relatively) vintage - in fact, religious tolerance is a rather recent thing all around in the world. This is not of course to justify the evil committed by people (falsely) in the name of Islam.
The slapping down will happen … I just don’t know when.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
I thought you might bring that up
Hooah_Mac Friday, November 13th at 7:30AM EST (link)I am of course referring to the modern world, because that is where we are and where 9/11 and Fort Hood and all of this is happening. You really didn’t answer my question, and it is a question that is on the minds of millions of people.
Why is the so-called moderate Islam so quiet about this?
It is enough to make people wonder if moderate Islam really existes outside of a handful of places. The way to curb backlash against Muslims is to discuss it. Instead the topic is called off limits and so people are led to internalize it. That is a recipe for disaster.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
good points all MAK and H-MAC - I would simply point out that we are all stuck with what the words say in our respective Holy books but that
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, November 13th at 9:33AM EST (link)the world is better off when those interpreting the Bible take the words at their plain meaning and when those interpreting the Koran ignore the plain meaning!
The fact is that Muhammed admonishes conversion thru coercion, ie war and so to say that Muhammed only admonishes killing during war is quite beside the point.
imho
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It would then appear that your definition of "fact" and mine are very different, Mike [nt]
Martin Knight Friday, November 13th at 9:50AM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
I can only take the word of scholars I respect who say so, and they
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, November 13th at 10:01AM EST (link)are and have been voluminous since 911.
It is an inherent problem when the words are so inconvenient.
reminds me of the “militia” clause in the 2nd amendment!
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Martin, I am no expert on the Koran
ColdWarrior Thursday, November 12th at 2:41PM EST (link)I derive my knowledge of it from contemporary books about it
and the Islamic faith such as those I quoted from. Those books
offer many, many quotes from the text.
You offered a quote from “one of the last chapters of the
Qur’an” which I take to imply that you believe “later” language
in the Koran would carry more weight than earlier language
and, perhaps, “trump” “earlier” language.
In the version of the Koran that you are quoting from, are the
chapters set forth in order of size, longer to shorter, or
chronologically, earlier to later?
That’s obvious. I am merely seeking to understand how
someone who believes it be the word of God can reconcile
it’s “jihadist” passages with the rest of it.
I have been trying to find the source for the following, but
can’t. I read somewhere last night that, in a general way,
the books of the Koran, when set forth chronologically, tend
to become “more violent” as time progresses. Like I said,
I don’t know if this is true or not, but I am wondering if you
have considered this.
And thank you for sharing with us your thoughts and everything
else you have been doing, especially about the need for
conservatives to become precinct committeemen!
Thanks again,
ColdWarrior
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There is only one "version" of the Qur'an.
Martin Knight Friday, November 13th at 4:28AM EST (link)All authentic Qur’ans are arranged from the Surahs Al-Fatiha (1) to Al-Naas (114). From a layman’s perspective, it looks as if it is arranged according to size, because the longer Surahs are generally indeed in front.
But that’s not exactly true as quite a few short Surahs come before longer ones i.e. Al-Mu’taffifeen (long) comes after Al-Infittar (short), Al-Fajr after Al-Tariq, Al-Qiyamah before An-Naba, etc. Al-Fatihah itself is very short (only 7 verses) and it is followed by the longest of them all, Al-Baqarah (286 verses).
The first Surah in terms of revelation per chronology is Al-Alaq, but by (divine) arrangement it is the 96th chapter of the Qur’an. Al-Kaffirun which admonishes against forced conversions (and being forced to convert) is the 109th and is the final word on the issue. There are only 5 more chapters after it and they all emphasize the oneness of God (Allah).
It’s not a matter of verses superceding each other, but informing, clarifying and reinforcing. Muhammad (S.A.W.) living peacefully (and enjoining others to live peacefully) amidst equally peacefully inclined non-Muslim neighbors is the standard by which I personally (and real Muslims should) live.
Thanks, by the way.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Martin, thanks for the explanation re the Qur'an.
ColdWarrior Friday, November 13th at 10:04AM EST (link)I hope and pray that some day all of God’s children will be
able to respect the religion of others and live peacefully
together. I guess I’m wishing for what never was and
probably never will be.
I also wish the Islamic leaders who think as you do would
make public statements condemning those who have
misinterpreted the Qur’an.
Thanks again,
ColdWarrior
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Martin that was a really nice
mom2oneson Thursday, November 12th at 9:02AM EST (link)second paragraph. I’ve known a lot of people from the ME and many are very very nice and to use a term from Christianity the “salt of the earth” type of people.. They really do live like what you said. I was young and didn’t appreciate it as much as I do now(I know that they really didn’t celebrate Christmas so what she did for me was SO kind) but one woman made a whole feast on Christmas day (like tons of food for the family) and it was becuase I was there, it wasn’t something they celebrated. I hated a lot of their stereotypes of Americans espeically regarding our morals from some but mostly I experienced a lot of kindness and consideration. I’ve always just said they are rerally nice but that was beautiful they way you articulated that.
Another difference between the Koran and Bible - a fundamentalist view of the Bible
Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, November 12th at 9:10AM EST (link)contains no fait reading of any admonishment to kill to convert or to kill non-beleivers. There is only a history of past wars, none of which were wars to convert.
The Koran, by its plain and obvious terms, does admonish the present day killings and gives the fundamentalists in its religion the moral high ground.
The only way one can be a good Muslim and a good person is to to “reinterpret” the Koran and pretend it doesn’t say what it says.
By contrast, in Christianity, it is the LEFT that reinterprets the Bible to advocate government take care of one’s neighbor by proxy socialism. They invent a new Jesus that is merely a modern day Barack Obama.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
Here is the question I grapple with, Martin
Jack_Savage Thursday, November 12th at 10:21AM EST (link)What do we do until that confrontation comes?
When I am responsible for the lives of soldiers, or neighbors, or my children, what do I DO?
How long do I ignore or rationalize or explain away what my eyes and ears and brain are telling me?
When will the understanding come that all across America reasonable, educated people are coming to conclusions that will sweep moderate Muslims up in a stereotype that will never, ever go away?
At some point, which I believe is now, the “Moderate Muslim” stance will simply no longer hold water. I now make that defense halfheartedly and with precious little evidence to back me up save your writings. We ask Afghans to turn against the Taliban, we ask witnesses to crime to risk their lives testifying about what they have seen, yet we ask nothing of the moderate Muslims who live in America. We wait for this huge, mostly silent majority to respond to things like the Fort Hood killings…somehow…in some meaningful way…. but time will pass, and things will return as they were.
What do we do? On your side of the street, and on mine?
Please tell your friends and family and fellow believers that the time is now. I will pray for you all.
The problem Martin is that misquided Christians
Tbone Friday, November 13th at 10:26AM EST (link)of hundreds of year ago only had hand weapons to kill their enemies. Muslims of today have access to weapons that can end civilization as we know it. Stone age religious philosophy with thermonuclear capability is unacceptable.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Martin is right...
mschmitt Thursday, November 12th at 8:49AM EST (link)It is primarily cultural. Place tens of millions of Christians in a tribal society with a purely literal interpretation of the Bible — without an understanding of context — and you would see.
I agree that I would like to see more people like Martin Knight out there willing to take a stand — an undeniably dangerous stand for a Muslim to take — against that culture (after all, *we* are just ignorant infidels)…
I think your anger is misguided. If there were a million Christians in the world who would “Fatah” you in a second if you spoke out a blasphemy (such as, the earth isn’t 6000 years old), you’d think twice too. There are better ways to convince them to speak out — like killing the bad ones the second they show their face.
One of the problems that the moderate Muslims have in confronting the extremists is that the BOOK backs up the extremists, and everyone knows it - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, November 12th at 9:11AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
Martin may be right but he is one voice and that...
JadedByPolitics Thursday, November 12th at 9:31AM EST (link)has proven to NOT be quite enough to stop the carnage in the name of Islam.
I personally am so disgusted that our soldiers died here in America on a base where they should have been safe because a LARGE portion of Islam is quite comfortable with the horror that is perpetrated in their name. I do not buy they are Arabs because if that were the case they wouldn’t be in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt etc. The Radical Islamists are EVERYWHERE and they are ALL backgrounds.
I will not stick my head in the sand EVER again and use that bogus line “well there are moderates” because other than a smattering of tut tuts there has NOT been an outcry from the billion+ Muslims, because if there were the radicals would be on the run and they would hide their HATE but they don’t. They feel quite comfortable praying from their pulpits daily about the infidels etc and I am quite through with all!
When and IF a reformation occurs let me know because I am NOT holding my breath!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Jaded, an illustration of this
Uma Richie Thursday, November 12th at 10:00AM EST (link)is a conversation I had with a Pakistani Muslim a few weeks ago.
We were in a room of mostly Americans (mixed race and presumably mixed religion), one African, one Indian, and three Pakistanis (including the guy I was talking to). Our chat was about our travels to in different countries in the Middle East, and we came to an agreement that we found it difficult to like any of the Saudis we ever met. We segued from that to Islamic approval of terrorism.
At that point he glanced at the other two Pakistanis who were across the room, lowered his head and his voice, and said quietly, “I don’t understand how they can approve it. It is supposed to be the religion of peace,” or words to that effect.
So this guy, who agrees with Martin, was afraid to levy fair, faith-based criticism of Islamist terrorists in earshot of his fellow countrymen, whom I highly doubt are terrorists. If his were the majority opinion, I don’t think he would have hesitated to speak his mind.
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“We hold our heads high, despite the price we have paid, because freedom is priceless.” -Lech Walesa
Here is the question, Uma
Jack_Savage Thursday, November 12th at 10:44AM EST (link)Why was he afraid? Was he afraid of being mocked? Was he afraid of being called whatever the Islamic version of “Uncle Tom” is? Or was he afraid for his life?
Definitely not afraid for his life.
Uma Richie Thursday, November 12th at 11:01AM EST (link)My opinion is the “Uncle Tom.”
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“We hold our heads high, despite the price we have paid, because freedom is priceless.” -Lech Walesa
Well, Geert Wilders is afraid.
ColdWarrior Thursday, November 12th at 2:20PM EST (link)You may recall Wilders, a Danish politician, produced a
sixteen minute film, “Fitna,” that merely quoted the Koran
and Islamic leaders and showed film of the exploits of
followers of Islam. Wilders now travels with bodyguards.
Watch “Fitna” here: http://www.break.com/usercontent/2009/2/Fitna-Documentary-about-Islam-660675.html
You may recall Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker who
was shot, stabbed, and had his throat slit after making a
movie that criticized Islam’s treatment of women.
You may recall Nick Berg, the U.S. contractor who was
kidnapped and decapitated in Iraq.
All of the above is set forth in Robert Spencer’s “Stealth
Jihad.” The perpetrators of these acts all said they were
following the explicit instructions of the Koran.
Van Gogh’s murderer stated in court, “What moved me
to do what I did was purely my faith. I was motivated
by the law that commands me to cut off the head of
anyone who insults Allah and his prophet.”
Those are inconvenient facts, I know, but facts all the same.
Thank you.
ColdWarrior
American first, conservative second and Republican precinct committeeman by necessity.
http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”
“Elections have consequences, my friends.” — John McCain
I've met a lot of
mom2oneson Friday, November 13th at 10:24AM EST (link)people from the ME and some were nominal Muslism some were devout but ALL of them viewed this type of people just like we view people like Paul Hill and Timothy McViegh. I won’t deny a lot of them hate American and what they call impereralism and in Iran the school kids chant death to America like we do the pledge (or we used to the pledge) but everyone I’ve known takes the POV of that these are nut jobs and they feel so sad for the victims and families. Maybe we just have better law enforcement here or emergency psychiatric care that we catch our people before they do more things like this?
I’m sure that man was made fun of. My BFF her husband is deployed they are a military family and have been forever and she routinely calls anyone from the ME a s*nd n**ger. I’ve seen how rude even professionals treat people from there first hand. I worked at a hospital as a *housekeeper* not a psychologist or social worker or ombudman and I was always called into rooms with upset patients from the ME. The professionals had such poor communication skills and of course the people would get upset. They treated these people very different from native born people here. I’ve seen it many times in many different settings. And it was always something simple they were initially asking for, like a menu or ice but the staff would have an attitude before even listening to what they wanted.
I am a member of ACT
melissatx Wednesday, November 11th at 8:22PM EST (link)I just wish I had her second book.
I watched the video of Pamela in McKinney, I couldn’t go. She is awesome as well. And those shoes!!
It is too bad truth is seen as hate speech these days, the PC is going to get us all killed or wearing a cotton coffin.
But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams
You know what I am sick of hearing with regards to Ft. Hood?..
JadedByPolitics Wednesday, November 11th at 9:06PM EST (link)That the signs were missed. They WERE NOT MISSED they were IGNORED. The leftist media has decided to continue this LIE about how all of these things he did were “missed” by the FBI and the Military and ANYONE with ANY SENSE at all can see that he and his proselytizing were out and out IGNORED by all so that political correctness could continue to run amuck.
Col North just said on Hannity that they are trying to blame the victims when they the GOVERNMENT chose to kill those 14 The baby is the 14th victim and then they with General Casey want to tell US to NOT attack Muslims as if there has been some run on since 9-11 of 300 million Americans attacking Muslims….uhh NO Muslims have been attacking Americans since 9-11.
I am telling the government to get their heads out of their a@@es and start protecting the 97% of US who are NOT out to kill massive amounts of our fellow countrymen! GET REAL oh and that message is for the LEFTIST media as well.
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
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JadedByPolitics Wednesday, November 11th at 9:09PM EST (link)I will try it again
The baby is the 14th victim
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Will anything change?
artman Thursday, November 12th at 9:48AM EST (link)Yes all of this is true. But I doubt political correctness will change. Until people begin to speak out in public to challenge every form of political correctness nothing will change. Do you feel that knot in your gut when you are about to say something that will be viewed as politically incorrect among the group? Yes, even though you know you are right? Political correctness is a tactic in debate. Everyone knows it is wrong but it goes against human nature to go up against it. The Left knows this and they incorporate it at every opportunity. When it is enforced by the media, education and entertainment it is likely impossible to change until conservatism reigns in these areas. When would you say THAT will happen; conservatives take over Hollywood, academia and the media. While we have FOX NEWS, academia, and Hollywood and the rest of the media are lost for good.
Fighting PC has to begin in one-on-one conversations where conservative are bold enough to buck that knot in our stomachs. The “shock” of anti-PC talk must be replaced by an acceptance of that debate. How it can happen? I don’t know. Probably one person at a time. We must speak out boldly in personal discussions, school, and in all conversation; especially where liberals are present.
There is no freedom without risks.
Oh come now, Torquemada and other inquisitors
Achance Thursday, November 12th at 10:42AM EST (link)were acting in an environment in which Christian Europe was under assault from Islamic forces. 1492 isn’t just the year that Columbus sailed the Ocean blue, it’s the year that the last Muslim invaders and occupiers were driven from Western Europe. As late as 1582 Muslims were at the gates of Vienna. Even today we are dealing with the vestiges of Muslim conquest in The Balkans and Eastern Europe. The original Count Dracula was no vampire, he was a Christian commander whose ruthlessness towards the Muslims invading his land causes him also to be remembered as Vlad the Impaler. It lessens one’s ardor for attacking a fortress when one has to march past miles of the impaled bodies of the last force that tried to attack it.
It is well to remember that only the Western Roman Empire “fell” in the late 5th Century, the Eastern remained intact and with a high level of knowledge and sophistication for another 1000 years - until Constantinople fell to the Muslims. The knowledge and technology that the Muslims like to claim to prove they were so much more advanced than the Christians was merely the vestigial knowledge and technology of the Eastern Roman Empire which the Muslims methodically assaulted and conquered from the very beginnings of the “Religion of Peace.”
Bad things have been done in the name of Christ to other Christians, to “heretical” Christians, to Jews, to Muslims, and to others, but Christianity has never gone on a continent scale crusade to conquer and convert or kill as did Mohammedanism from its beginning until it was finally forced into submission by the much greater wealth and technology of the Western World. Unfortunately, foolish Western policy towards the Islamic World in the post-colonial era has given them enormous wealth and power and has allowed them to once again dream of Islamic hegemony over the whole World.
Yes, there are individual Muslims who do not seek a restored Caliphate, but the leadership cohort of the Muslim World does and the longer Westerners deny it and allow the Saudis and others to finance and foster radical Muslims right in our neighborhoods the more likely the Wahabbis and others are to achieve their goal of conversion, dhimmitude, or death for all of us.
In Vino Veritas
The Decline Of Islam
Ausonius Thursday, November 12th at 10:59AM EST (link)Medieval Islamic civilization was, for several centuries, on a higher level than Medieval Christendom, until the Arabs began to decline quickly, allowing the Turks and Mongols to dominate them.
Historians debate the internal causes for such a decline: some claim it simply was a lack of energy because of their own success, others that the decline - in part - came from allowing the rise of fanaticism, e.g. the Madrasah movement in education dates to medieval times. With its focus on a narrow-minded orthodox canon and despising of originality or even variation, this was a long-term recipe for intellectual and creative disaster. Certainly the Mongol destruction of Baghdad and the mass murder of many scholars did not help the situation.
Some historians will agree that, because Islam has not had a Renaissance nor a Reformation, it remains in a frozen intellectual limbo.
Historian and expert on things Islamic Bernard Lewis wrote a book a few years ago on this topic: “What Went Wrong?”
“The Atlantic” - when it was more even-handed - published an article of his in 1990. It is still relevant today:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199009/muslim-rage
An excerpt from his conclusion of this article: peace with Islam is a two-way street.
“To this end we must strive to achieve a better appreciation of other religious and political cultures, through the study of their history, their literature, and their achievements. At the same time, we may hope that they will try to achieve a better understanding of ours, and especially that they will understand and respect, even if they do not choose to adopt for themselves, our Western perception of the proper relationship between religion and politics. ”
The problem remains: for the fanatics, they do not want to understand our side. They simply want to annihilate it.
Islam has been hijacked...
nessa Thursday, November 12th at 12:15PM EST (link)…the terrorists who hijacked it twist its writings to their own ends. Look at the suicide bombers. Most of these usually young men, are kept drunk or drugged by their handlers, obviously a decidedly un-Islamic act. That is one of the signs to watch for when attempting to spot a suicide bomber. Even when they are sent to their target they are often accompanied or supervised by their handlers who have a secondary radio controlled initiation device just in case the bomber has an attack of conscience. There are other examples of the hypocrisy, crime, the abuse of power when the fundamentalists are in power, the Taliban’s penchant for “little boys”, myriad examples, I’m sure your own spring to mind.
The average person’s unfamiliarity with Islam makes it easy to lump them all together, what’s the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite? What is the Wahhabi sect? Whats the difference between a Catholic and a Lutheran? To the outsider they are indistinguishable, why would an outsider care? The supporters of terrorism use that unfamiliarity to lump them all together allowing them to hide along side their modern “moderate” counterparts. They strive to turn every attack on fundamentalist Islam into an attack on all of Islam knowing that will never work. We are not going to kill 1.2 billion people and/or wipe Islam off the face of the earth. So they hide in plain sight, for fear of being seen as attacking all of Islam we do nothing, worse than nothing, in attempting to placate the modern moderates we allow the fundamentalists to prosper. Groups like CAIR use these leftist tactics daily, blurring the divisions between a decent human being who happens to have a different religion than you or I and those dangerous, ravenous power seeking supporters of terror.
What’s the answer? I don’t know but it will have to involve a more active part from the modern moderate Muslims, in America and the world. We and they must call out the fundamentalist supporters of terror and crush them at every opportunity. Modern moderate Muslims can no longer afford to allow the hijackers to drag their religion into terrorism and destruction. Nor can we allow them the luxury of sitting back and waiting for someone else to fix things. Muslims need to clean house before we have to do it for them.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Contributor to The Minority Report
There's more to it than that.
Uma Richie Thursday, November 12th at 12:33PM EST (link)One primary problem is that the Middle Eastern ruling families deflect criticism from their avaricious dictatorships by stoking the flames against Israel and the US in the state run media. IMO, Iraqi democracy can’t infect the rest of that region soon enough.
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“We hold our heads high, despite the price we have paid, because freedom is priceless.” -Lech Walesa
Absolutely, way too complex an issue for one comment
nessa Thursday, November 12th at 1:22PM EST (link)and one of the most important things that is happening in the region is the burgeoning democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan. If we continue to support them. Neither one is in any condition to survive unassisted.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Contributor to The Minority Report
Socialist MAObama Will Not Support Freedom Anywhere
Ausonius Thursday, November 12th at 9:38PM EST (link)Not in Afghanistan: note how he will slowly be abandoning the place by stalling and doing nothing. (Although difficult to gauge because of volatility, In-Trade in the last week lost 20 points on the prediction that at least 10,000 more troops will go to Afghanistan by the end of the year.)
Not in Iraq: on schedule to be abandoned prematurely.
Not in Iran: not even $75 million, not even laptop computers to support the anti-government underground.
Iraq is not being abandoned prematurely
Hooah_Mac Friday, November 13th at 7:34AM EST (link)It is on the schedule President Bush set, because we have truly met our objectives there for the most part. We stabilized the government, we got the people to take ownership of their own future, and we have made Iraq the last place most Al Qaeda type nutjobs want to take the fight.
Iraq will have its problems for years to come, but there is very little concern that the government there is at risk, which means the chances of a failed state for terrorists to exploit is close to 0.
Although I generally agree with all that you said. President Obama would have abandoned the people of Iraq to tyranny, but lucky for them he took office about a year too late to accomplish that.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
As I said below
Hooah_Mac Friday, November 13th at 7:36AM EST (link)Iraq is very close to being able to stand on its own, as long as we continue to provide assistance in the form of equipment and training for a time.
The bad guys are now avoiding Iraq, which is part of why violence in Afghanistan is much higher.
Violence in Iraq won’t go away, but by the same measure, violence in Israel will be around for some time to come. The important part is that the Iraqi government is stable enough to handle it on its own with a minimum of help from us.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
Err as I said above -nt
Hooah_Mac Friday, November 13th at 7:37AM EST (link)“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO