Comments on: Plaxico Burress v. City of New York http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/ Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:12:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: JLenardDetroit http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-54 JLenardDetroit Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:10:53 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-54 and we will get more and more of these clowns on the Benches to uphold UnConstitutional bs under the Socialist-Elect... There aren't enough Trees to Hang all the Traitors from... and we will get more and more of these clowns on the Benches to uphold UnConstitutional bs under the Socialist-Elect…

There aren’t enough Trees to Hang all the Traitors from…

]]> By: Doc Holliday http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-53 Doc Holliday Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:03:37 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-53 almost all guns laws are unConstitutional. When the term "Shall not be infringed" is used, I think that means they were serious. OTOH, he should get some type of misdemeanor for discharging the weapon, I mean, he was really really stupid and acting like a thug with no holster. I hope you are right about Heller, I can't believe so many people live in states with such draconian laws. Registration, permits just to own a firearm, no shall issue laws? I mean, I could never ever allow myself to reside somewhere under those terms. almost all guns laws are unConstitutional. When the term “Shall not be infringed” is used, I think that means they were serious. OTOH, he should get some type of misdemeanor for discharging the weapon, I mean, he was really really stupid and acting like a thug with no holster.

I hope you are right about Heller, I can’t believe so many people live in states with such draconian laws. Registration, permits just to own a firearm, no shall issue laws? I mean, I could never ever allow myself to reside somewhere under those terms.

]]> By: Cowboy http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-52 Cowboy Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:38:47 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-52 Don't know about current law but in the 80's we used to go into the Million Dollar Cowboy Bar in Jackson Hole and lay out guns on the bar and order a drink just because it was legal and we could. Did it more than once. I was told that you could carry one in a bank if you wanted to but I never tried it. Like I said I don't know about now. Don’t know about current law but in the 80’s we used to go into the Million Dollar Cowboy Bar in Jackson Hole and lay out guns on the bar and order a drink just because it was legal and we could. Did it more than once.

I was told that you could carry one in a bank if you wanted to but I never tried it.

Like I said I don’t know about now.

]]> By: Kenny Solomon http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-51 Kenny Solomon Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:41:24 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-51 Knowing nothing about him (other than he's a pretty good wide receiver), apparently Mr. Burress had a carry permit here in Flori-duh - as in past-tense - had. Same as you, of what I heard, his permit expired. But that wouldn't matter anyway, because there's no reciprocity to New Jersey or NY for carrying even if he still has a valid Florida permit. Mr. Burress is in deep doo-doo. PS.......... I just bought a new Sig (SP2022 - 9mm) and since I've never seen the rig before (other than a quickie test firing), I'm taking pro lessons with the thing in a few days. I told my instructor to (try to) treat me as if I've never seen any handgun before. Cheers ! Kenny Knowing nothing about him (other than he’s a pretty good wide receiver), apparently Mr. Burress had a carry permit here in Flori-duh - as in past-tense - had. Same as you, of what I heard, his permit expired.

But that wouldn’t matter anyway, because there’s no reciprocity to New Jersey or NY for carrying even if he still has a valid Florida permit.

Mr. Burress is in deep doo-doo.

PS………. I just bought a new Sig (SP2022 - 9mm) and since I’ve never seen the rig before (other than a quickie test firing), I’m taking pro lessons with the thing in a few days. I told my instructor to (try to) treat me as if I’ve never seen any handgun before.

Cheers !

Kenny

]]> By: SteveLA http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-50 SteveLA Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:26:45 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-50 Diognenes No right exists in a vacuum, and that includes the Second Amendment rights to an arms. It's this sort of stupid actions by stupid people that makes defending gun ownership hard. In principle the Second means what it means, in practical terms, there are people and places that should never be mixed with guns and there are reasonable restrictions on gun ownership. Even if the NRA is worried about backing down, or the nose of the elephant in the tent or any of the other "stuff", right is right, wrong is wrong and Plex is a idiot soon to have a criminal record. Bars are one place where guns do not belong in the hands of idiots, and the law in NY is right here. Guns in the hands of a psycho thug Football player can and should be regulated. I've got no problem with what the state of NY is about to do with Plex...maybe he can get in the same jails as OJ, Michael Vic and the rest of the jocks who are nuts. Diognenes

No right exists in a vacuum, and that includes the Second Amendment rights to an arms.

It’s this sort of stupid actions by stupid people that makes defending gun ownership hard. In principle the Second means what it means, in practical terms, there are people and places that should never be mixed with guns and there are reasonable restrictions on gun ownership. Even if the NRA is worried about backing down, or the nose of the elephant in the tent or any of the other “stuff”, right is right, wrong is wrong and Plex is a idiot soon to have a criminal record.

Bars are one place where guns do not belong in the hands of idiots, and the law in NY is right here.

Guns in the hands of a psycho thug Football player can and should be regulated. I’ve got no problem with what the state of NY is about to do with Plex…maybe he can get in the same jails as OJ, Michael Vic and the rest of the jocks who are nuts.

]]> By: Lammo http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-49 Lammo Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:07:43 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-49 My carry pistol is a Glock 36 and I have previously owned a G19 and a G23. There are internal safeties (don't know if I would describe them as active or passive) that prevent the striker from moving until the trigger is pulled. It is true that "If anything pulls the trigger of a loaded Glock, it’s going to go bang, whether that was the intention or not." but they cannot and will not discharge just by sitting there; they also will not discharge if dropped. No loaded Glock should ever be carried except in a holster that completely covers the trigger guard. My 3 rules of gun safety: 1) All guns are always loaded. 2) Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy (or can't pay for) 3) All guns are always loaded. My carry pistol is a Glock 36 and I have previously owned a G19 and a G23. There are internal safeties (don’t know if I would describe them as active or passive) that prevent the striker from moving until the trigger is pulled. It is true that “If anything pulls the trigger of a loaded Glock, it’s going to go bang, whether that was the intention or not.” but they cannot and will not discharge just by sitting there; they also will not discharge if dropped. No loaded Glock should ever be carried except in a holster that completely covers the trigger guard.

My 3 rules of gun safety:
1) All guns are always loaded.
2) Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy (or can’t pay for)
3) All guns are always loaded.

]]> By: Doc Holliday http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-48 Doc Holliday Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:54:51 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-48 but your argument does not hold water. The only firearm safety is your brain. Glocks have two safeties. They have a firing pin safety, meaning the firing pin can not hit the primer unless the trigger is pulled. Also, they do have a safe action trigger, which makes it nearly impossible to "accidentally move the trigger to the rear" say as in dropping the weapon or grazing the trigger with your finger during a draw. Also, the 8 pound trigger is in itself a form of saftey compared to a tuned 3 pound trigger on a 1911 race gun. If you keep your Glock in a proper holster, and if you do not pull the trigger, it will NOT fire, period. Burress was beyond stupid carrying the weapon with no holster and then pulling the trigger. You know, revolvers do not have safeties either because they are simply not needed. Pistol safeties were used for single action autos for good reason, but now days they are thrown on all kinds of handguns that really don't need them. but your argument does not hold water. The only firearm safety is your brain. Glocks have two safeties. They have a firing pin safety, meaning the firing pin can not hit the primer unless the trigger is pulled. Also, they do have a safe action trigger, which makes it nearly impossible to “accidentally move the trigger to the rear” say as in dropping the weapon or grazing the trigger with your finger during a draw. Also, the 8 pound trigger is in itself a form of saftey compared to a tuned 3 pound trigger on a 1911 race gun.

If you keep your Glock in a proper holster, and if you do not pull the trigger, it will NOT fire, period. Burress was beyond stupid carrying the weapon with no holster and then pulling the trigger. You know, revolvers do not have safeties either because they are simply not needed. Pistol safeties were used for single action autos for good reason, but now days they are thrown on all kinds of handguns that really don’t need them.

]]> By: Doc Holliday http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-46 Doc Holliday Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:42:03 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-46 you can't sell a firearm across state lines without going though a FFL dealer, but if you own a firearm you can transport it even through states that ban guns if you are en route to a state that allows handguns. NJ allows handgun ownership as far as I know, as does New York State (not sure about the city). So there would be no federal interstate transfer charge from FL to NJ. Now New Jersey probably requires a permit to own like most lefty states, but that would be a state charge. you can’t sell a firearm across state lines without going though a FFL dealer, but if you own a firearm you can transport it even through states that ban guns if you are en route to a state that allows handguns. NJ allows handgun ownership as far as I know, as does New York State (not sure about the city). So there would be no federal interstate transfer charge from FL to NJ. Now New Jersey probably requires a permit to own like most lefty states, but that would be a state charge.

]]> By: The_Gadfly http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-45 The_Gadfly Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:20:10 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-45 if NYC law he initially broke is unconstitutional, I don't think any of them would apply. Heller opened a serious can of worms, which is why SCOTUS avoided it for so long. Burress and this case might not have been my first choice for a case to take to SCOTUS for overturning NYC and NY gun laws, but he still has the right to challenge the case on its merits. What I am not clear on since IANAL is whether or not he could plead guilty and then contest the constitutionality of the laws. And yes I'm a card carrying member of the NRA, but ironically don't own a gun. if NYC law he initially broke is unconstitutional, I don’t think any of them would apply.

Heller opened a serious can of worms, which is why SCOTUS avoided it for so long. Burress and this case might not have been my first choice for a case to take to SCOTUS for overturning NYC and NY gun laws, but he still has the right to challenge the case on its merits. What I am not clear on since IANAL is whether or not he could plead guilty and then contest the constitutionality of the laws.

And yes I’m a card carrying member of the NRA, but ironically don’t own a gun.

]]> By: bs http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-44 bs Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:31:38 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-44 back in RS 3.0. Bigger and better things to aspire to... back in RS 3.0. Bigger and better things to aspire to…

]]> By: Kowalski http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-43 Kowalski Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:02:44 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-43 As in braiding or knotting. But that's only if the two Kowalskis interrelate somehow. Otherwise I prefer the terms: "Kowalskiplate" or "Kowalskequel" but you may also refer to it as a "Doppelkowalski." If the second Kowalski directly refutes the first Kowalski, you may refer to the entire group of posts as a "Kowalski/Anti-Kowalski Doublet" Does that clear it up? :P As in braiding or knotting. But that’s only if the two Kowalskis interrelate somehow.

Otherwise I prefer the terms: “Kowalskiplate” or “Kowalskequel” but you may also refer to it as a “Doppelkowalski.”

If the second Kowalski directly refutes the first Kowalski, you may refer to the entire group of posts as a “Kowalski/Anti-Kowalski Doublet”

Does that clear it up? :P

]]> By: bk http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-42 bk Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:50:03 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-42 If it can't leave your home, then a thief wouldn't steal it right? (Yes, I'm being facetious.) If it can’t leave your home, then a thief wouldn’t steal it right?

(Yes, I’m being facetious.)

]]> By: bk http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-41 bk Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:46:34 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-41 Double-K? K-squared? Double-K?
K-squared?

]]> By: bk http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-40 bk Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:43:30 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-40    

]]> By: Diogenes314 http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-39 Diogenes314 Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:37:11 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-39 <i>Last point; given a Mumbai type situation in NY; a few commuting citizens armed with decent handguns and training have a better chance of taking these guys out before they do too much damage.</i> Give that these guys are mearly psychotic, not stupid, the likelihood is that the next attack on U.S. soil will be in a powder blue city in a baby blue state. Last point; given a Mumbai type situation in NY; a few commuting citizens armed with decent handguns and training have a better chance of taking these guys out before they do too much damage.

Give that these guys are mearly psychotic, not stupid, the likelihood is that the next attack on U.S. soil will be in a powder blue city in a baby blue state.

]]> By: Diogenes314 http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-38 Diogenes314 Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:11:28 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-38 <i>...if it was Joe the Plumber doing something dumb like this, would you give a Rat’s behind about what happens to him? </i> The answer is no. The same with Burress. But I do care about what happens to the second amendment. And considering this guy's name recognition and bank account this could be a good test case at the appealate level. …if it was Joe the Plumber doing something dumb like this, would you give a Rat’s behind about what happens to him?

The answer is no. The same with Burress. But I do care about what happens to the second amendment. And considering this guy’s name recognition and bank account this could be a good test case at the appealate level.

]]> By: Achance http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-37 Achance Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:09:33 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-37 We have among the most permissive gun laws in the Country, but you can't carry in a licensed establishment or while under the influence. You WILL go to jail for either. We have among the most permissive gun laws in the Country, but you can’t carry in a licensed establishment or while under the influence. You WILL go to jail for either.

]]> By: Kowalski http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-36 Kowalski Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:48:19 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-36 I should have listened to Jeff Emanuel's advice and realized that I was setting myself up to defend ... a player in the National Football League. In the back of my head while I was writing that post, I was thinking: "You know, it's probably not as bad as they say, it's worse." Par for the course with a lot of our high-profile sports stars. Last time I'll ever do that. I should have listened to Jeff Emanuel’s advice and realized that I was setting myself up to defend … a player in the National Football League. In the back of my head while I was writing that post, I was thinking:

“You know, it’s probably not as bad as they say, it’s worse.” Par for the course with a lot of our high-profile sports stars.

Last time I’ll ever do that.

]]> By: Achance http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-35 Achance Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:27:52 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-35 This will be an interesting one. The liberals will want NY to be able to have their anti-gun laws. The conservatives might want to revisit incorporation. Sounds like a lot of potential for a pluraity decision that nobody will understand or agree with. This will be an interesting one. The liberals will want NY to be able to have their anti-gun laws. The conservatives might want to revisit incorporation. Sounds like a lot of potential for a pluraity decision that nobody will understand or agree with.

]]> By: Kowalski http://www.redstate.com/mgamo/2008/12/04/plaxico-burress-v-city-of-new-york/#comment-34 Kowalski Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:10:07 +0000 http://wordpress.redstate.com/mgamo/?p=6#comment-34 I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume the best case. Looks like he's in a lot more trouble than that. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume the best case. Looks like he’s in a lot more trouble than that.

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