Health Care Math 3: Private Profits and Waste
By Dr. Mike Razar
It is undeniable that the following question is central to any discussion of the details of the health care system.
Can the Government provide health insurance at lower cost than the private sector?
It is no exaggeration that the current debate is about whether hatred and lack of trust for private insurers is greater than hatred and lack of trust for the Federal Government. Liberals pretty much believe that insurance companies could be profitable by charging much lower premiums and accepting all claims without question. However, Government can be trusted to fairly ration care and have the rich pay for most of it. Conservatives would rather take their chances with competitive profit seeking corporations than with political appointees.
No matter how one feels, there is a void where agreed upon facts ought to be. Here are a few facts that might be useful.
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Insurance companies are frequently accused of putting profits ahead of people. Just how much money could they save if they were run by “progressives”? It should be easy to agree on what percent of each premium dollar goes to the bottom line. The most cited figures fall into the 3% to 4% range. If this is true, then an across the board premium cut of 5% would bankrupt the industry. Hardly profit gouging. If anyone has hard facts to the contrary, it would be useful to put them forward. Insurance companies are accused of spending millions of dollars paying people to deny legitimate claims. The evidence is largely anecdotal and there are appeal mechanisms available for quick review. The fear of large punitive damage penalties further acts as a brake to abuse. Nevertheless, it is fair to ask why the companies even bother to deny any claims. The net effect of paying claim investigators must be cost effective, or else they really would not bother. If the profit to premium ratio were high, it would be worth a close look. But if there is less than 4% to work with, it seems likely that failure to scrutinize claims would also lead to bankruptcy. Progressives seem to think that claim denial by government experts is somehow superior to private sector denial. The principles proposed in Part 1 would go a long way toward reducing the need for close calls on what is covered
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Charges of excessive compensation abound not just in the insurance business, but in every business except for attorneys, movie stars, rock stars, athletes and super-models. Are shareholders not willing to pay lower salaries for the same talent? Why don’t they pay less? Could it be that better executives actually earn their salaries by generating more profit? Anyone who disagrees can start a new company to compete.
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Are compensation packages really lower in non-profit companies than in profit seeking companies? They probably are at the very top, but it is doubtful that below the top few executives, there are any meaningful differences. Cutting executive pay will not lower premiums significantly.
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To be fair, critics assert that the category of administrative costs is 10% to 25% of each premium dollar (excluding profits and taxes. The fact that these costs seem pretty uniform across the industry suggests that there is little fat to be trimmed here. As in the case of compensation, anyone who can be more efficient can cut premiums while increasing profits. It would be interesting to compare the overhead costs in not-for-profit or mutual insurance companies with the profit seeking behemoths.
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It is difficult to get accurate comparable costs for Medicare because government cost accounting is designed to hide the truth. Claims that creating dozens of new federal agencies and czars will cut administrative costs are highly suspect and should be scrutinized carefully.
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Reliable primary sources for data on total health care premiums and profits in the private sector are not easy to find. Here is a crack at estimating thes
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Total Annual Health Care Spending $2.5 Trillion
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Total Premiums $600 Billion
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Total Profits From Premiums $20 Billion
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Ten year economic projections, particularly without standard deviations and particularly ones made by the fool’s gold standard of economic projections, the Congressional Budget Office, deserve harsh scrutiny. It is claimed that more competition would drive down premiums. By how much? By at least enough to insure 40 million or more uninsured Americans and to pay for all the White House mandates. If ALL the profits were diverted to those 40 million people, it would provide $500 per person. That is only 5% to 10% of the amount spent per year on the average person. There are always the hypothetical administrative costs which leading progressives overestimate with abandon, but the mandates and the uninsured are going to be competing for any savings from cutting those costs.
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The most one can hope for from more competition among private companies, with or without a public competitor is to drive profit margins to zero and to save a small part of the administrative overhead. This applies to both liberal proposals to have a public option and conservative proposals to allow interstate competition. There simply isn’t enough profit for enhanced competition to make a difference.
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Anyone who thinks there are enough savings available from cutting administrative costs should be more explicit. Which costs incurred by private companies would be eliminated by a federal agency?
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One place where universal coverage is expected to lower costs is in the use of emergency rooms as a form of primary care by the uninsured. On the surface this seems like a major area to cut expenses. After all, ERs charge more than ten times as much for routine visits as private physicians and clinics. Would universal insurance change this? The math does not seem to support this. The reason the math is not there is that the argument ignores the primary cause of the high cost of emergency room visits, namely overhead. It is expensive to outfit and staff an ER at a hospital. In addition to direct costs and overhead purely due to the ER, cost accounting assigns to them a share of the overhead of the entire hospital. Even with the high prices, ERs routinely lose money according to these figures. If you have a heart attack, you depend on the hospital overhead to save your life. That is not true if you have a simple fracture or sprain or a strep throat. The overhead needed to keep the ER open for serious trauma victims covers a lot of underutilized resources that must be available 24/7. Using some of that slack to treat non-emergencies is actually a cost effective way to cover some of that overhead, and would still be so at a small premium to ordinary care. At the margin, routine care at the ER is way overpriced.
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The preceding paragraph reflects the complexity of cost accounting in medicine. How do you price an MRI? How sure does a physician have to be that the MRI will find something bad to order one? It is easy to hurl charges of defensive medicine at tort lawyers but if YOUR life or YOUR close relative’s or friend’s life is at stake, one chance in a thousand is more than enough. This is particularly true when you look at the marginal cost of a single MRI, rather than the fully amortized cost.
Going back to profits, where do the profits go today? Probably at least 75% of profits go to retirement funds and non-profit groups. Each time the private sector is cut there is less opportunity for investors to provide for their future. How do progressives plan to make up for that?

All are critically important questions that I
The_Gadfly Wednesday, November 11th at 12:59PM EST (link)seriously doubt were asked during any of the Congressional deliberations.
One small note: You should edit your post to renumber your points. At least in my browser they are all numbered 1.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Where were the Republicans?
mikerazar Wednesday, November 11th at 10:30PM EST (link)the demagogcrats never ask such questions. Better to just demonize the insurance companies or free markets in general. But why did no Republican challenge the claim that insurance company excess profits were driving up health care costs?
Are redstaters stupid or lazy? Is there another explanation?
Maybe you haven't heard
Neil Stevens Wednesday, November 11th at 10:34PM EST (link)We lost the last election.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
No need for the gratuitous insults.
The_Gadfly Monday, November 16th at 8:44AM EST (link)I liked your column and said so. I’m not involved in hospital work, so it was good insight that I have added to my web of thinking. I made a small recommendation for a strictly editorial change (thank-you for making it).
If I seem insensitive to the insult the elected Rs gave in not raising those issues and not fighting a better fight, it’s because of outrage fatigue. There have been so many outrageous things done by Rs in the last 8 years that it has become par for the course.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Please accept my apology
mikerazar Monday, November 16th at 11:26AM EST (link)I meant no insult. My writiing style tends to be acerbic, and sometimes I untintentially offend. That is a lame excuse too, since there are other times where the insult is intentional. Yeah, I try to have it both ways.
Of course everyone who posts here or elsewhere is at times frustrated by lack of response, positive or negative. It is not that I think my ideas are even good, but I try to point out things that have not gotten enough attention. Particularly when it comes to math, there seems to be a glazing over of the eyes. The last thing I want is for anyone to take my word on the numbers I write about. But drowning in debt is worse than drowning in phony global warming fears.
As to the Republicans, I agree with you. The GOP leadership, such as it is, is less than creative. Trying to please everybody is a bad strategy. But, hey, I’m not a politician. I couldn’t get elected to anything, nor would I want to.
On the other hand, while I might quibble with an Eric Cantor speech. I cringe each time I hear Nancy Pelosi open her mouth. She and her minions are trying to destroy our beloved America. So I can’t give up.
I just wish there was some sign that the Republican leaders listened to or cared about what we say. I believe in leadership, but there is a desperate need for new ideas. Good leaders seek out those ideas; they don’t try to dictate a party line.
Sigh…now you know I like to rant too.
Apology accepted.
The_Gadfly Tuesday, November 17th at 9:25AM EST (link)And everybody needs to get in a good rant now and again. It gets out the frustration so we are less likely to snap at our friends and allies.
Good leadership is a mix of both seeking ideas and dictating from the top. The trick is knowing how to distinguish between the two. Most of the pols inside the Beltway seem to have it almost completely out of phase.
What we do about it is work on the local level and try to fix the things that we can. At this point, I’m reasonably certain that even though there still isn’t a Senate version of the bill, that before the 2010 election there will be a “health care reform” bill passed and signed by The Big 0. For the 2010 election we need to flip the House and the Senate so we can begin repairing the damage that already has been done to the country.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Sorry, but that is a lame excuse.
mikerazar Thursday, November 12th at 10:45AM EST (link)Losing an election is no reason to be quiet. It is a reason to challenge the other side’s mistakes and to propose better solutions.
Left or right—nobody has the patience to follow the math. Middle school arithmetic might as well be advanced calculus. I have written here and elsewhere on the easy calculations which debunk many claims by the government and its lackeys at the Congressional Budget Office. Maybe MY calculations are wrong, but I’m lucky to get a single comment. Write about a moronic reporter at a Tea Party rally, and everybody has an opinion.
if your eyes glaze over when you try to distinguish a quarterly percent from an annualized percent, then get prepared to be ruled by fascists.
Are you calling your own diary a lame excuse? nt
pilgrim Thursday, November 12th at 10:49AM EST (link)It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
we need to use the reply to this button to avoid confusion, mikerazar nt
pilgrim Thursday, November 12th at 10:51AM EST (link)It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
The best way to get a comment here
mikerazar Thursday, November 12th at 2:44PM EST (link)is to make a mistake with the application.