why ron paul has ZERO chance to win the republican presidential primary


1. His foreign policy ideas are simply the same recycled bad ideas that Jimmy Carter had. A foreign policy of ”let’s hide our head in the sand like an ostrich and blame big bad America and hope that everyone leaves us alone” is not only ignorant, but also dangerous for our country. And the big winners in last November’s elections were the ones who espoused ”american exceptionalism”, not the ones who espoused ”anti-american apologism”. Now I will admit Ron Paul’s foreign policy message would go over well with the Code Pink/Dennis Kucinich voters, but those type of people tend to be Democrats, not Republicans. One of my facebook friends put it best when he said ”if Ron Paul had been president during World War 2, we would all be speaking German now”.

2. He has no real political power. And this was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in 2008. Yes, he can win any ONLINE presidential poll. So what. In 2007 the paulbots hijacked the same online polls and Ron Paul won them all. His followers then posed articles all over the internet touting his candidacy. He then suckered his gullible followers telling them that the ”polls showed he could win” and send to him money. Then came the 2008 primaries. Out of the 50 states that were availible for Ron Paul to win, guess how many he won? ZERO. And that is spelled Z-E-R-O. Now let’s go to the present day. His internet saavy paulbots are again winning all the online and straw polls for their idol. His followers are again posting articles about him like he actually has a legitimate chance to win. Next is going to come the annual ”moneybomb” when Ron Paul once again fleeces his followers by pointing out that he is ahead in the polls and has a chance to win this time. But their delusional fantasy is going to run into a buzzsaw called Republican primary voters. Paul got absolutely destroyed when he ran in 1988, got whipped by John McCain in 2008, and he will be a three time loser in 2012.

3. There are plenty of people who are ”one issue voters” in politics. And in the Republican party there are plenty of people that ”opposition to islam” is the one issue they feel strongly about. You can go to any anti islam or conservative jewish site and see that the two politicians that are diliked the most are Obama and Ron Paul. Ron Paul has said ”I don’t believe for one minute the religion of islam is our enemy”. And Paul also attacked the Sunshine Patriots for their oppostion to the ground zero mosque. Now i am not going to debate the muslim issue here, but the fact that a decent sized voting group in your own party considers you one of their main foes is certainly not good news for your campaign. Now to be fair, you will get the people who think Israel is oppressing Palestine and the pro muslim agenda voters will be on Paul’s side. The only problem with that is almost all of that crowd are Democrats who support Obama.

4. Let’s look at Ron Paul’s position on crack cocaine and heroin. Now I am totally fine with legalizing pot and prostitution in any state if the voters want it. If somebody wants to get laid or smoke a joint it sure isn’t any of my business. But we are talking about legalizing hard drugs because Ron Paul says that the government is unconstitutionally sticking its nose in peoples business by not allowing it. I say once it becomes legal, who is going to cover the costs of the people that get addicted to it to go to rehab or treatment centers. And please don’t say the addict. Probably the government will have to. Great, now here comes a great big expansion of government to fight the drug war that was ”caused by the tea party candidate”. Which by the way, I as a taxpayer will have to cover. Increased police and court costs etc, etc. But the issue isn’t what I think or Ron Paul thinks, the issue is what does the Republican primary voter think of this policy. The ”religious right” will certainly oppose it full force. And I would think that anyone that has had a family member suffer through the addiction process will be opposed to it. That’s two groups opposed. Of course, Paul will pick up the ”left wing hippie” vote and the anarchists vote. Except the left wing hippies are already card carrying members of the Democratic party. And all the anarchists who want to overthrow big bad America are already his supporters.

5. If he were alive today, Ronald Reagan would strongly oppose him. Reagan believed in spending generously on our national defense and certainly had an interventionist foreign policy. And according to the Ron Paul playbook, that would make the greatest president of my era ”a neocon”. Their policies and beliefs are totally and completely different. Naturally Ron Paul’s followers will attempt to hide that fact by showing you an old video of Ronald Reagan praising Ron Paul as a candidate and using that as proof that Ronald Reagan would support Ron Paul in 2012. Now watch me dismantle that silly argument!!! Does anyone remember Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania? Arlen was the senator that everyone on tea party and conservative sites called a liberal RINO. He was challenged by a tea party backed conservative in the primary named Pat Toomey and when Specter saw how opposed conservatives were to his candidacy he changed parties to Democrat. He voted for TARP, Obama’s socialized health care plan, and was pro affirmative action and amnesty. Yet, Reagan praised him as a true conservative back in the 1980′s and even cut a campaign ad for him. But go ask a Pennsylvania tea partier what they think of Specter today. LOL. If you were a House or Senate member, and of course running as a Republican, Ronald Reagan would praise you as a candidate for office. That’s part of what a sitting president does for members of his party.

But rather than look at a 30 year old video let’s look at Ron Paul has to say about Ronald Reagan. In 1987, Ron Paul wrote a letter to Frank Fahrenkopf, chairman of the Republican National Committee, starting that he wanted to totally publically disassociate himself with the policies of Ronald Reagan(funny but he yet to publically disassociate with the 9-11 truther movement or Code Pink). He later told the Dallas Morning News that the presidency of Ronald Reagan was a ”dramatic failure”. OK, let’s take a look at the political success of both politicians and decide if that is true. In 2008 Ron Paul ran in the Republican primary for president. He got 5% of the vote. In other words, 19 OUT OF 20 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY VOTERS DID NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN THE LAST ELECTION. In 1984, Ronald Reagan was reelected as the president of the United States in a landslide, winning 49 out of 50 states, and his 525 electoral votes were the the most of any candidate in American history. Hmmm, I think we have to score this one for the Gipper.

6. Illegal Immigration. According to the highly respected anti immigation group NUMBERS USA, Ron Paul has the lowest grade of any Republican presidential candidate out there, coming in with an F. Naturally, his paulbots try to put a spin on this by saying ”welfare and benefit programs should be unconsititutional so illegal immigrants wont come here”. If Ron Paul threw puppies off a tall building his hynoptized followers would be applauding and yelling it was ”constitutional”. That argument wont cut it with the voters. Polls overwhelmingly show that Americans are in favor of closing our borders and against all forms of amnesty. And that really holds true with Republican voters. April has posted articles by former Ron Paul allies like Tom Tancrdeo that blast Paul on the immigration issue. Yet again, Ron Paul thinks like a liberal Democrat, and in fact even has the same ”F” grade that NUMBERS USA gave Obama.

7. Paul’s pork problem. One thing career politicians learn to do is talk conservative while picking the taxpayers pocket for money. And ”Porkulus Paul” has this shady routine down pat. First of all, let’s go back to last November’s elections to get the proper perspective on this issue. The Republicans destroyed the Democrats on November 3 due to the energy and votes of the tea party!!!!! Now the tea party came in and deservedly wanted to flex it muscles. And decided to take a principled stand against the unethical practice of pork(earmarks). The fight against earmarks was led by the Tea Party Patriots(TPP) and other tea party and conservative groups against the pork loving Democrats. In fact, TPP leader Mark Meckler considered this such an important issue that he promised to run a tea party challenger against any Republican that accepted them.

“We’ll do what we always do,” said Meckler. “Our members will put immense pressure on every senator to vote against earmarks. This is a fundamental issue — it’s both substantive and symbolic. Will they vote against the politics of the past or are they still stuck in it? This is a vote that will never go away, like TARP. Tea Partiers have long memories. Politicians have always taken advantage of the fact that voters have short memories, but we’ll know, we’ll remember, and in 2012 when they have aggressive, well-funded primary challengers, they’ll know why.”

Then it came out that a Republican asked for 150 MILLION DOLLARS IN PORK FOR HIS DISTRICT!!! Surely this was a RINO. Maybe Olympia Snowe or Scott Brown? No, it was actually Ron Paul.

U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was one of only four House Republicans to break rank from the party and request earmarks despite a Republican Conference earmark moratorium. Paul sent 41 earmark requests totaling $157,093,544 for the 2011 Fiscal Year.

Ron Paul is to the far left of the tea party on just about every major issue. Actually he looks just like a liberal Democrat to me.

SAY NO TO THE FAR LEFT TURN, STAY RIGHT. NO PAUL IN 2012.


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Your #4 point doesn't stand up

congressworksforus (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 7:44AM EDT (link)

The only country that has legalized hard drugs (Portugal) saw a reduction in addiction rates as a result. While I believe his stance is based on freedom of choice, I don’t think he’d be touting it for a minute if the stats weren’t backing him up….

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

the tea party is alike and well

mikeymike143 (Diary) Monday, June 27th at 11:48PM EDT (link)

Michele Bachmann’s surge in the polls proves that 1. The Tea Party is alive and well 2. Ron Paul does not represent the real tea party. 3. The era of Reagan is not over 4. The era of Romney is yesterday

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i meant alive and well

mikeymike143 (Diary) Monday, June 27th at 11:54PM EDT (link)

LOL

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Interesting post.

expanding_man Tuesday, June 21st at 10:28AM EDT (link)

Sets out the candidates negatives in a rational way. Good to see some well thought out points that may have a chance to convince rather than alienate.

Saw the Dick Morris poll on Fox with Paul in 2nd place after Romney amongst likely primary voters. Posts like this may shift some of these primary voters to another candidate. Do you have a candidate that you support?

my preferred candidate

mikeymike143 (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 8:47PM EDT (link)

the candidate that i prefer probably is not going to run. that would be jim demint. if demint enters he will be my first choice regardless of who else is in the race!! and i am a member of tea party fort lauderdale so of course i would love to see an allen west candidacy. how back to reality. LOL. i dont actually have a solid preference yet among the candidates that are currently running. but i don’t want to seem like i am ducking the question so i will say that if the florida republican presidential primary election was held today michele bachmann would be my first choice and herman cain would be my second.

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Demint would be great.

expanding_man Wednesday, June 22nd at 10:51AM EDT (link)

You and I are on the same page on Demint. For better or worse, I think he has chosen a different role in the party. Generally, it’s one of opposition to the establishment Republicans in the Senate. I would love to see him as the next Senate majority leader. Not sure that he’s well liked by other more moderate Republican senators. I will say that I think Paul follows Demint (or has similar views) on issues like abortion, reducing government, spending, following the constitution, etc. I would guess that if Paul was a senator, they would vote the same on 90% of bills.

ron ''the nt'' paul retiring

mikeymike143 (Diary) Thursday, July 14th at 7:16PM EDT (link)

is great news. now if jim demint would only get in the race my day would be complete.

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Mark Levin

billinsuwanee (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 4:10PM EDT (link)

Red State is regurgitating the soundbites from the NEOCON radio talk show host Mark Levin. Levin said on his show last Friday that the reason people call him a NEOCON is because they really want to call him a Jew.

Red State has no idea who is going to nominated, they are just being talking heads to garner favor with Mark Levin to help Erick’s radio show in Atlanta.

——–
The Tea Party movement is the greatest civic uprising since the Revolution.

Thanks for stopping by. Say hi to Alex Jones. nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 4:16PM EDT (link)
 

I got this bridge I want to sell ya.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 4:32PM EDT (link)

It’s in northern Michigan, and it’s five miles long.
Plenty of room for you and your pals to live under. ;)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

This, as his signature at the

Goldwater_Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 4:47PM EDT (link)

bottom indicates is what has infested the tea party movement and is exactly why I will not associate myself with the movement. Do I agree with the overall goal of the tea party? Yes….but I will not be found within 500 yards of a large portion of the most active element of the movement as shown here. A circus will always be a circus even if you change the name.

 

first of all

Toby Calvert-Lee (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 5:05PM EDT (link)

Marks a great guy

Second of all, shut up about neocons

Third of all, Paul and Jones and the rest of you “the south was right” libertarians make us Conservatives look bad

But I like Paul the younger though

Your friend and fellow Conservative in the fight
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Twitter: @TobyCalvertLee

 

Hey, genius...

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 5:11PM EDT (link)

Have you not figured out the difference between member diaries and Front Page diaries yet? This writer is not a front-page contributor to Redstate, thus does not speak on behalf of the web site.

Get off your high horse about “prognostication”.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 5:12PM EDT (link)

The way you keep saying Neocon shows you to be profoundly ignorant. Shoo. Adults are talking.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

haha

Toby Calvert-Lee (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 11:38PM EDT (link)

Love it! Paulbots make me angry

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ron paul and the paulbots

mikeymike143 (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 10:14PM EDT (link)

.in real life, paulbots are anti social and afraid of authority. so they tend to be ”9-11 truthers” and people who think the government has black helicopters waiting outside their window spying on them. they are much more likely to be found at a code pink rally or living in their parents basement and spamming presidential internet polls than they are to be found doing anything constructive for the conservative movement,

and when ron paul ran in the republican presidential primary in 2008 he only won 5% of the vote. so the reality is 19 out of 20 republican primary voters had the sense not to vote for this loser. and i fully expect voters in the 2012 presidential primaries to once again reject him and his nutty agenda.

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My brother is a PaulBot

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 11:51PM EDT (link)

So I know the type well…..

Very thick skulls and no social skills.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

I have a close relationship w/ a Paulian as well

wennejunk (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 7:02PM EDT (link)

Sadly, the Ron Paul dispute has caused a lot of damage.

There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ -C. S. Lewis

 
 
 

Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny" is a classic

Freedoms Truth (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 3:09PM EDT (link)

he’s no neo-con, but a straight-up constitution-supporting unhyphenated conservative.

80% of the people the Paulinistas call ‘neo-con’ are anything but neo-cons, it’s their all-purpose and rather pointless derogation … and by falsely calling him a ‘neocon’ , you have unwittingly proven him right.

You are a Putz. Look it up, its Yiddish.

 

You don't know what a Neocon is you MM fan

Juggernaut (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 7:31PM EDT (link)

I’m right aren’t I, your a Media Matters fan slithering in to rant insults about things you know nothing about. Anyone can label someone but in your case you have no credibility about Levin nor RS members.

RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –

Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.

Yes I know

Juggernaut (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 7:36PM EDT (link)

your not a MM fan, just pointing out how easily someone who gets flustered over a dairy will overreact and slam those who oppose RP. Vote for whomever you want but there’s no need to stereotype everyone and no Levin is not a Neocon.

RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –

Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.

i like mark levin

mikeymike143 (Diary) Thursday, July 14th at 6:01PM EDT (link)

that is a man who has a really good grasp of what it is to be a conservative

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Why don't you give the full text of his words on

sailingaway Tuesday, June 21st at 7:32PM EDT (link)

Reagan?

Spending and the deficit went up. IN THAT REGARD the administration had failed at one of its primary goals. Mind you, it had to deal with a majority Democrat congress at that point. However, Ron’s policies have never changed. It is one thing to say someone might think differently of someone if they have changed, but Ron is the same guy he was when he led the Texas convention in the 1976 Convention fighting for Ronald Reagan’s candidacy while the Rockefeller Republicans backed Bush. Those same Rockefeller Republicans now pretend to be Reagan Republicans. Rand has an amusing write up in his book of this.

There already have been responses to all the material above, and if you are open minded you will want to look further than an obvious hit piece or a supporter’s response, so I’ll let you look into it yourself. I will say that I never heard of Ron Paul before the last presidential election and was just looking for someone to vote for besides McCain whom I despise, and Romney whose sincerity I don’t trust. I heard of the newsletters and thought there must be SOMETHING there, so I looked into them when I was first thinking of voting for Ron Paul. The issue pops like a soap bubble and is the biggest issue that exists. The man has the integrity and record to inspire people, and I encourage everyone to look into it for themselves. Youtube search for Ron Paul by view is a good way to start, but google is obviously needed for his voting record.

Error in my prior post, sorry

sailingaway Tuesday, June 21st at 7:34PM EDT (link)

I meant to say when the Rockefeller Republicans backed Ford, not Bush. They did, eventually, back Bush, but not then.

I'll bite

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 7:58PM EDT (link)

if you name any accomplishment that Ron Paul has achieved with his more than 20 year history in the House. The ball is in your court now, please don’t disappointment your candidate and his supporters.

That's a 5^ nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 8:06PM EDT (link)

On the accomplishments of Congressmen incl The One Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 8:59PM EDT (link)

These are basically glorified yea/nay voters on mostly easy choices and I consider it a plus if they have never sponsored a bill! But as to RP, who I loathe, I suspect that his voting record is 90+ good.

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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

Fred Sanford is my dietary guru with Champipple, ie

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 9:01PM EDT (link)

Champagne and Ripple and his proverbs-like wisdom on mixing courses: They are all going to the same place and

Elizabeth, I’m coming to join ya!

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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 

Leadership = passed bills, not just votes

Freedoms Truth (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 3:17PM EDT (link)

In 20 years … WHAT BILLS DID HE GET PASSED?

What bills did he get voted on?
What bills did he get co-sponsored?
etc.

Recall that he is in the House. Their job is to pass legislation.

The #1 failure of the conservative movement has been the failure of conservative leaders to actually, you know, PASS CONSERVATIVE BILLS!

Ron Paul is one of many examples of these ‘leaders’ who have actually done very little to advance freedom and limited Government. It’s sad, but he is far from alone in this behavior. Some, like Jim DeMint and Jeff Sessions, actually fight on the floor for things. Others, like Paul Ryan, actually put proposals together. But 90% of our ‘best’ conservative ‘leaders’ are clueless about Getting Things Done.

Paul is one of the NON-doers. Talks a good talk, but zero impact.

As we say in Texas, all hat and no cattle.

Substance vs Procedure man. What matters is what the bills actually do, not just passing a bill for the sake of

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 3:44PM EDT (link)

passing a bill.

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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 
 

You don't think the constitution finally being seen

sailingaway Tuesday, June 21st at 11:22PM EDT (link)

as actually limiting what Congress does might have had something to do with him? He has a 20 year record of doing the right thing regardless of how the winds blew at that moment. No one else does. Accomplishing destruction of the Republic by stacking up debt is a pretty negative accomplishment others can claim..

He stayed true to his oath of office. I’d admire if our next president did.

He did the right thing by porking up his district.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, June 21st at 11:27PM EDT (link)

But that is a fact you choose to ignore.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 
 
 

Foreign Policy

devereaux Wednesday, June 22nd at 12:17AM EDT (link)

Ron Paul will not be President. He’s too old. But the idea his foreign policy is liberal is absurd.

“Even if it were desirable, America is not strong enough to police the world by military force. If that attempt is made, the blessings of liberty will be replaced by coercion and tyranny at home. Our Christian ideals cannot be exported to other lands by dollars and guns. Persuasion and example are the methods taught be the Carpenter of Nazareth, and if we believe in Christianity we should try to advance our ideals by his methods. We cannot practice might and force abroad and retain freedom at home. We cannot talk world cooperation and practice power politics”——Howard(Warren’s Father) Buffett regarded as the most conservative member of congress in the late 40s early 50s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Buffett#Political_philosophy

Buffet managed the campaign for Mr Republican Robert Taft in 1952 for the GOP nomination. The conservative wing of the GOP was behind Taft. The Dewey wing of moderate and liberal Republicans recruited Ike Eisenhower to stop Taft.

Ike turned out to be a very good President. One of our best!

For a more recent example look no to Ronald Reagan Mr Republican.

“The dirty little secret of Reagan’s foreign policy is that he was extremely reluctant to send U.S. troops into harm’s way—more reluctant, in fact, than every president who has followed him. When Reagan took office, conservative intellectuals like National Review editor William F. Buckley and Commentary editor Norman Podhoretz urged him to consider sending U.S. troops to Central America to keep communists from entrenching their rule in Nicaragua and exporting it to neighboring El Salvador. Conservative rhetoric about the consequences of communist rule in Latin America, in fact, was even more apocalyptic than today’s conservative rhetoric about the consequences of renewed Taliban rule in Afghanistan. Reagan wanted to defeat Latin American communism, too: He sent military aid to the government of El Salvador and to the anti-communist Contra rebels in Nicaragua. But he never seriously considered dispatching U.S. troops, even when it became clear the Contras couldn’t win on their own. Right-wingers complained, but Reagan didn’t budge. “Those sons of bitches won’t be happy until we have 25,000 troops in Managua,” he told his chief of staff, “and I’m not going to do it.”

Reagan, in fact, only sent American ground forces into combat twice. He invaded Grenada, an island with 600 troops. And he dispatched peacekeepers to Lebanon. Then, in October 1983, Hezbollah terrorists bombed the U.S. barracks in Beirut, killing 241 Marines while they slept. At first, Reagan played John Wayne. House Speaker Tip O’Neill “may be ready to surrender,” he declared, “but I’m not.” And then—five days later, with the polls showing Americans souring on the Lebanon policy—Reagan decided to pull the troops out. Midge Decter, Podhoretz’s wife and a prominent neoconservative herself, said she was “disgusted.” In America’s first major confrontation with Islamist terror, Reagan had cut and run. But for Reagan, the lesson was exactly the opposite. His final words as president were “the worst thing I ever did was send those troops to Beirut.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/20/how-romney-is-like-reagan.html

Quoting from a site that employs Andrew Sullivan

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 12:31AM EDT (link)

and Meghan McCain as like, two of their bestest writers, isn’t likely to score too many points here.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

 
 

Memoirs

devereaux Wednesday, June 22nd at 12:40AM EDT (link)

Well how about Reagan’s own words.

” Perhaps we didn’t appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the marines’ safety that it should have.

In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believe the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today.”

http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2006/07/21/reagans-wisdom-on-the-middle-east-leave/619/

Dennis Kucinich, Walter Jones and Ron Paul vs Hillary Clinton, Barry Obama, Lindsey Graham and John McCain.

I think I’ll side with Kucinish, Jones and Paul over Obama, Lindsey and McCain.

Trying to put a Ron Paul spin on Ronald Reagan's words scores even fewer points than quoting from the Daily Beast. nt

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 12:53AM EDT (link)

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

 

You side with Kucinich, and we judge you for that (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 12:55AM EDT (link)

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Disgusting Reagan revisionism

kinghenry (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 3:43PM EDT (link)

any clue what type of Foreign Policy “Interventionism” Reagan campaigned on?

This is who Ron Paul is, and what they believe of Reagan’s Foreign Policy:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard54.html

“Ronald Reagan, Warmonger”

Wrote in 1983 by Ron Paul’s hero, Murray Rothbard, anarchist.

 
 

Paul's Foreign Policy is worse than Carter or McGovern

kinghenry (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 3:41PM EDT (link)

He is a Rothbardian Anarchist, the man comes from a group you can read over at Lew Rockwell’s website(Paul’s closest ally), and they beleive the “Constitution is a Statist Document”

He is an Utopian ideologue of epic proportions and would do more harm to the United States than any President in our history.

Only if you believe that

kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 3:50PM EDT (link)

our foreign adventurism and our many expensive troop investments around the globe have enhanced our security, instead of the reality, that it has lessened our security.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

which would be crazy talk

kinghenry (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 3:59PM EDT (link)

because its empirically true and a descriptive fact, that the United States as world leader(post ww2) as well as before, has made the world a better place by bringing Justice to Tyrants, defending Liberty and growing a Global Economic System based on Trade thanks to it.

RuPaul is to the far-left of George McGovern even, out in the la-la land of Purple Unicorns farting pixy dust.

You're absolutely delusional

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 4:05PM EDT (link)

Correlation =/= causation.

Correlation =/= causation.

Correlation =/= causation.

Correlation =/= causation.

(Once more for effect!)

Correlation =/= causation.

You really believe that every foreign policy action undertaken in the post-WWII period has furthered any of those objectives? And that far-left idealists like McGovern and Carter were net positives in terms of foreign policy? Heh.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Choose Light or Darkness(ron paul)

kinghenry (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 4:13PM EDT (link)

Korea Satellite

and remember this next time you drive a Kia or Hyndai, or use electronics by Samsung or LG. Or work for a company that sells goods or services to the South Koreans we liberated.

and yes I'm saying with RuPaul

kinghenry (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 4:15PM EDT (link)

that photo would be all darkness, the world would be a poorer place with less liberty, life and wealth.

 

...or maybe I can reject your false dichotomy

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 4:17PM EDT (link)

use my own brain, and determine for myself when aggressive action makes sense.

I know, truly a revolutionary idea.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

which is of course

kinghenry (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 4:23PM EDT (link)

the exact, 180 opposite of Ron Paul and what he stands for on this subject. the subject of this thread and his myopic and immoral foreign policy views.

Obedience to God is rebellion against Tyrants.

Good thing I wasn't defending RP, then nt

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 4:50PM EDT (link)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 
 

Lights at night

MNConservative (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 4:26PM EDT (link)

You know how hard it is to get to sleep in Seoul at night? Look at all that light! :)

 
 
 
 
 
 

Constitution is a Statist Document?

kinghenry (Diary) Wednesday, June 22nd at 3:47PM EDT (link)

This is who Ron Paul is in daily contact with, whose functions he speaks at all the time and have decades long ties together. This clown wrote the fwd to Paul’s dishonest American foreign policy book and other’s he’s wrote.

They are ANARCHIST and think the CONSTITUTION IS A STATIST DOCUMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.redcounty.com/content/lover-constitution-how-well-do-you-know-ron-pauls-muse

Ron Paul tells students point blank he wants to get past the Constitution to a “Volunteerist” Anarchist Utopia often.

 

I agree with your premise Paul has no chance but

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 11:29AM EDT (link)

You’re one issue proposition is correct for more than just Paul. There are far more Pro-Life one issue voters than War on Terror one issue voters. This means Romney, Giuliani, Johnson, and Christi are all out as well.

The next issue is the drug issue. Paul is right on this. First the constitution gives no power to the federal government on this issue. Second, the so called drug war has made the problem much worse. In the 1930′s the federal government estimated drug use at between 300,000 and 1,000,000, including marijuana. That was between 1/4 of 1% and 4/5ths of1% of the population. Today estimates range from 15 to 50 million or 4% and 15% respectively. so a minimum 1600% increase in per-capita drug use.
The costs people speak of in terms of hospital care are already being paid. In addition we are also paying for an enormous Army of Drug warriors not just counting law enforcement but the judiciary and the penal system.. In personal liberty the drug war is the reason I can’t have an anonymous bank account. Which of course feeds the IRS as well. The drug war brought no knock drug raids, purchase limits on cold medication, in a round about way increased costs associated with firearms and threats to our rights to possess guns since druggie turf wars are a primary reason for attacking gun rights.
Alcohol prohibition was dropped when it became evident the cure was far worse than the problem. The drug war needs to die the same ignoble death.

Foreign policy is the area I agree with Paul the least on. I think both Iraq and Afghanistan were well justified but we should have been gone from both long ago. Nation building is dumb. When we do leave they will go right back to the 6th century because that is who they are.
But I do have a question, in 10 or 15 years, when some Libyan terrorist blows himself up in Times Square in revenge for our bombing his mom or dad last week will you be prepared to admit that we might have some culpability?
This ain’t video games. There really are real people dying over there and we have no legitimate reason for killing them.. When that guy does kill a hundred Americans I will be the first to say we should punish his backers. But better we should stay out of places unless we have a good reason to be there.

As I said, I agree with your premise that Paul can’t win the nomination. Given that, why write a blog designed to deliberately alienate a significant group of people who normally vote for the eventual Republican nominee?

I am not talking about ignoring obnoxious Paul supporters who are in any event well taken care of by Neil and other admins.

I am talking about people who will vote for Paul in the primary and then support the Republican nominee in the general unless you convince them they aren’t welcome even when well behaved.

Then they stay home.

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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 

Ron Pauls presidential campaign goes up in smoke

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 3:43PM EDT (link)

Members of Congress to Introduce Historic Legislation Ending Marijuana Prohibition

http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/2011/06/today-members-congress-introduce-historic-legislation-ending-marijuana-prohibition

Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) and Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) will introduce bi-partisan legislation tomorrow, June 23, ending the federal war on marijuana and letting states legalize, regulate, tax, and control marijuana without federal interference. Other co-sponsors include Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO), and Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA). The legislation would limit the federal government’s role in marijuana enforcement to cross-border or inter-state smuggling, allowing people to legally grow, use or sell marijuana in states where it is legal. The legislation is the first bill ever introduced in Congress to end federal marijuana prohibition.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

Armey

MNConservative (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 4:29PM EDT (link)

So THAT’s what Dick Armey meant…

Not sure what you mean

Scope (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 4:39PM EDT (link)

by that’s what Dick Armey meant, but, Dick Armey is a big time open borders, amnesty advocate.

 
 

The Paulies are ecstatic

Scope (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 4:35PM EDT (link)

Reading the comments section in another article, a big time Paul supporter, who swears that he will never vote for another RINO again, said that Paul, working with Barney Frank on this legislation, knows how to “collaborate” and “reach across the aisle” to get things done. And, that it is OK to “tax” and “regulate” pot.

 

William F Buckley

devereaux Thursday, June 23rd at 5:19PM EDT (link)

http://old.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200406291207.asp

Ask someone who has been through Chemo

http://www.everydayhealth.com/breast-cancer/can-medical-marijuana-ease-chemotherapy-side-effects.aspx

 

Support for legalization

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 7:05PM EDT (link)

and opposition are about equal to one another, and the issue isn’t a particularly fundamental one outside of a specific subset of conservatives that likely wouldn’t support RP to begin with. Ron Paul’s campaign was dead in the water before it began, but it would have been a shame if it had been on account of one of the few issues where he has been consistently correct and other Republicans resoundingly wrong.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

Wonder what those Dems will say?

Glaucon (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 9:37PM EDT (link)

Wonder what these Democrats will say when they figure out that this may result in some budget cuts? They can’t have that! Less taxpayer money spent on enforcement, prosecution and jail.

Full disclosure: I do not smoke pot, so my main concern is the waste of taxpayer money chasing pot-heads around.

 
 

It is OK to “tax” and “regulate” pot

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 5:06PM EDT (link)

Not if the Mexican Drug Cartels are in control of the product.
The US government has been holding talks with the Taliban.
Maybe they are also talking to the drug cartels?

Ron Paul, Barney Frank – the new Cheech & Chong.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

It's the Paul/Frank job creation bill

Scope (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 6:45PM EDT (link)

that would provide more farm jobs for the illegals, that the Americans won’t do.

 

If pot were treated like alcohol

gpclaw Friday, June 24th at 1:34AM EDT (link)

the Mexican drug cartels would most likely become Mexican drug companies. When a product is made legal, it’s a lot easier to operate with in the law, than outside of it.

 
 

Having read comments around the blogosphere and

kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, June 23rd at 5:50PM EDT (link)

hearing the conservative talk radio shows today. I am only confirmed in my previous belief that ending the war on drugs is the one area where a majority of conservatives argue like liberals.

They argue for big government, for centralized government, they use ad-hominem against their opponents, and they argue from emotionalism and a distinct lack of knowledge and facts.

I am sorry if that upsets anyone, but it is the truth.

I am NOT saying that an informed opinion on this subject cannot differ from mine, I am only saying that I rarely encounter such.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

5 nt

aesthete (Diary) Friday, June 24th at 7:37AM EDT (link)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

I have noticed this as well, and have engaged in a couple of "test" arguments and data point analysis

JSobieski (Diary) Friday, June 24th at 10:54AM EDT (link)

Observation #1: Virtually all conservatives oppose nanny-state rules in the context of healthy nutrition

Observation #2: The vast majority of conservatives oppose “protecting people from themselves” in the context of motorcyle helmet requirements and cigarette smoking. One does get a certain amount of “if the tax payer is responsible for their healthcare, then the tax payer can have a say on the underlying behavior.” One also gets a certain percentage of setting standards of conduct/moral standards/etc.

The drop off between #1 and #2 is not terrible significant, but we do lose people when the context goes from transfats to smoking.

Observation #3: Even people who are totally sympathetic to pushing laws/regs down to the state/local level will almost immediately respond negatively to Paul/Frank proposal. Only when it is explained as allowing states to do what they want, does the proposition get even a fighting chance, and even then the drop off from #2 to #3 is significant. Without the federalism rationale, the vast majority of people who oppose smoking bans or motorcycle helmet requirements nonetheless want to keep federal laws criminalizing marijuana use/possession.

Conclusions:
(1) Without couching the issue explicitly and repeatedly in a “let the states decide” framework, there is absolutely no chance for any change.
(2) People consider drugs to be different than smoking because drugs inherently alter how someone perceives the world, and thus drugs interfere in some way with the free will/don’t protect people from themselves rationale. We all understand that at some point, drugs remove the ability of a person to be responsible for themselves. Nobody sane wants to legalize crack or crystal meth. On the other end of the continuoum, nobody center-right would discuss banning cafeine.

The “impacts our ability to be responsible” rationale is not implicated by motorcycle helmets. Similarly, smoking, while addictive, does not make one unsuitable for driving in the way that alcohol does.

Bottom Line: Alcohol is analogous to marijuana in many respects . . . at least from my perspective. However, everyone is already very familiar with the impact of alcohol (virtually all adults either drink or know people who do). Moreover, even people who are intellectually sympathetic to the legalize marijuana position resist it. I think much of this resistance comes from a “we are under seige” mentality (which I think is largely true), and that a totally understandable result of that mentality is that we reflexively support something (marijuana criminalization) that is not entirely consistent with our political and legal framework.

There is moral component to the anti-legalization movement, but I am not sure that I agree with it. I do not see why smoking a joint and having a glass of wine are different categories of moral behavior. Both can be misused by some, while both are capable of being used responsibly.

Is the moral distinction a boot-strap argument based solely on the current illegality of marijuana? Or does the fact that Jesus turned water into wine somehow sanctify the morality of alcohol use?

I don’t think the argument for treating marijuana differently than alcohol survives logical scrutiny. I would of course be interested in hearing the contrary point of view.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

you are way too intellectual in your approach

kyle8 (Diary) Friday, June 24th at 11:26AM EDT (link)

I don’t think that most drug warriors think it through at all. They have been brainwashed into drugs = bad. and that is about the total level of thought that goes into it.

One example is the person who always brings up some personal anecdote. like “my brother in law died because of drugs!” And then they offer that as an emotional way to end all debate.

But of course, no one thinks that drug use is a good thing, What we are arguing about is the best way in which to mitigate the bad effects of dangerous and addictive substances.

On the one hand we have a lot of research that shows that freedom, liberty and decentralization tend to work. On the other hand we have an eighty year old failed experiment with extreme prohibition. A total, colossal, and contemptible failure in every way.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

When someone is locked into a position emotionally

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, June 26th at 1:46AM EDT (link)

an obviously intellectual approach is the only viable alternative.

Get the person talking about analogous situations, hypotheticals, etc. anything that can potentially bypass the emotion of the issue.

Any other approach is destined to fail. it isn’t easy, but a blatantly intellectual response is the only alternative to just accepting someone else’s emotionally invested position.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 
 

Reagan pulled out of Lebanon

californiagold Friday, June 24th at 1:17AM EDT (link)

President Reagan pulled US servicemen out after the attacks in Lebanon, which drew significant criticism from neoconservatives. Reagan also negotiated with commies like Gorbachev over the reduction in nuclear weapons. Did those policies make Reagan a pacifist ?

And it was conservative guru William Buckley who argued in support of the decriminalization of marijuana.

The point is, in politics, nothing is black and white, there are always shades of grey.

 

Why is Ron Paul #1 on the Red State rec list?

rightwardmarch Friday, June 24th at 6:17AM EDT (link)

I don’t get it. Who cares about Ron Paul?

I don’t mean to be crude, but judging by the rec list, Red State cares about Ron Paul a great deal. !?!? Is there something to Ron Paul, or does the Rec List algorithm leave a lot to be desired?

Did you even read the article.

gekster (Diary) Friday, June 24th at 8:59AM EDT (link)

I can sum it up whith just the title.

why ron paul has ZERO chance to win the republican presidential primary

What does that mean to you.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

Did you even read the article.

gekster (Diary) Friday, June 24th at 8:59AM EDT (link)

I can sum it up whith just the title.

why ron paul has ZERO chance to win the republican presidential primary

What does that mean to you.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 

A question, then...

Cargosquid (Diary) Friday, June 24th at 8:59AM EDT (link)

Say a miracle happens.

Ron Paul gets the nod.

So….Ron Paul or Obama? Or sit it out?

i wouldnt worry about it too much.

mikeymike143 (Diary) Wednesday, June 29th at 12:22AM EDT (link)

when ron paul ran in the republican presidential primary in 2008 he only won 5% of the vote. so the reality is 19 out of 20 republican primary voters had the good sense not to vote for paul. and i fully expect voters in the 2012 presidential primaries to once again reject the nutty agenda of paul of his delusional paulbots.

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If RonPaul(spit!) gets the nom, I'm voting green party for POTUS.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 11:21AM EDT (link)

I will then vote straight GOP down the rest of the ticket.

I’m in Illinois, so my POTUS vote will get swamped by Chicago anyway… and I refuse to vote for Ron Paul(spit!)

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

You've got to be truly desperate to do that (nt)

BigRedConservative (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 12:05PM EDT (link)

.

And two and two always makes a five
It’s the devil’s way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now

Radiohead

I refuse to vote for Ron Paul, Red. It's a point I'm impersuasible on.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 1:06PM EDT (link)

Just like my stance on abortion, on who gets to decide what the word marriage means, and on just which powers the Federal government actually has.

Ron Paul is a loon. He’d be a worse president than Obama, in part because he claims to be a Republican and a Libertarian, discrediting both groups in the process. (and not doing the pro-lifers any favors along the way…)

I refuse, under any circumstances, to vote for him. I also refuse to vote for Obama, so .. I will waste my vote in a protest that, hopefully, persuades the greens to waste more of their money in Illinois.

Mew

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self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

In all honesty, I agree

BigRedConservative (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 1:27PM EDT (link)

It’s pretty damn hard to be a worse President than Obama, but Paul seems to be able to do it. I have never encountered a person so hypocritical and cruel that he can add earmarks for “Texas shrimp promotion” but refuses to spend a penny on military assistance in Darfur. I refrain from using the term “jerk”, but with great difficulty.

Whoops, I think I just used it.

And two and two always makes a five
It’s the devil’s way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now

Radiohead

As Ron Paul (spit!) is not a current Red State poster...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 1:44PM EDT (link)

I am under the impression that the “Be respectful or else” language does not apply.

Alas, the “No Profanity” langauge still does, so I would have to imply that his parents may have been both unmarried and more closely related than is genetically desirable instead of calling him an inbred {illegitemate}.

Mew

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self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 
 
 
 

True Conservatism vs Neoconservatism????

niles316 Tuesday, July 5th at 10:31AM EDT (link)

I believe it was Ronald Reagan who said that” the very heart of Conservatism is Libertarianism”. The GOP used to be anti war, and took the isolationist approach, to where we didn’t get involved in foreign affairs. We are going bankrupt, and don’t have the money to fund the wars that we are already involved in. We are going to have to start making decisions soon, or we will be in real trouble.

Part of that problem is that we have”neoconservatives”insist we must have wars with Syria and Iran, and feel we have to “spread America’s greatness”. We need to return to the Constitution as our way of life in this country, and not get into arguments whether we should defunding NPR, or if Obama is an American citizen or not.I pray the GOP will start looking for real solutions, or else we will loose in 2012.

RonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaul...

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 10:58AM EDT (link)

Oh, did I mention RonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaul.

RonPaul and his “philosophies” will have nothing to do solving our current problems. He’s been in the congress for 20 plus years and has done exactly nothing to this point, he’s the poster hypocrite for fiscal restraint.

Change

Canonically it's 3 I thought

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 11:03AM EDT (link)

It’s like the 11 o thing. :)

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Fiscal restraint

devereaux Tuesday, July 5th at 11:27AM EDT (link)

Ron Paul has zero chance to get the nomination. But as far back as 2001, he was the only member of congress that was warning we are creating a huge bubble in housing and it will take down the economy. The FANNIE and FREDDIE hearings where he was all but ignored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Gfzgxh3ZQ&feature=player_embedded#at=60

Ron Paul’s fanatical supporters do him more harm than good by driving away people that might be willing to listen to what he has to say. They are extremely rude. At CPAC earlier this year Ron Paul asked his supporters to be polite and respectful to the other speakers and what do they do??? Ignore him and Boo Vice President Cheney.

It is what it is.

Alas, those with good points

BigRedConservative (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 1:43PM EDT (link)

never learn to say them politely. Sadly, there is a terminal surfeit of “civility” in this land.

And two and two always makes a five
It’s the devil’s way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now

Radiohead

Heinlein's "An armed society is a polite society" quote applies.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 1:54PM EDT (link)

The point being, when ones’ words can be expected to have immediate and painful if not fatal reprecussions, one tends to choose them very carefully.

Explaining that one reason the 1950s were relativelly more polite was that something like 15% of the adult male population had just received Uncle Sam’s firearms training (and likely their very own firearm to go with it) and the previous generation had the same experience can cause liberal heads to explode,

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

 
 

He was ignored because he absolutely no

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 4:18PM EDT (link)

as in zero, nada, zip, bupkis, credibility with his peers. And for good reason. He’s been in congress for 20+ years and has done nothing but practice hypocricy.

Frankly, it’s a shame that he hasn’t been tossed out of the Republican caucus because he’s NOT a Republican. He’s not even a decent Libertarian.

Change

In fairness to Ron Paul

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 5:18PM EDT (link)

as far as I can tell, most politicians spend 20+ years practicing hypocrisy. At least RP’s hypocrisy costs me pennies instead of bennies…

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

Ignored

devereaux Tuesday, July 5th at 6:14PM EDT (link)

If he’s being ignored then why do I keep reading headlines like this?

The Gold Standard: A Litmus Test For GOP Candidates

http://blogs.forbes.com/ralphbenko/2011/07/05/gold-standard-litmus-test-gop-candidates/

Ron Paul’s Really Great Idea

http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/ron-pauls-really-great-idea

Ron Paul has won

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/167777-ron-paul-has-won

Well, maybe he should have said...

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 6:25PM EDT (link)

“ignored by intelligent people”

Of those 3 citations, the first two demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of finances, and the third one is obviously written by a Ron-fan (you can be pretty certain that anyone who refers to him as “Dr. Paul” is already bought into his voodoo hook, line and sinker). After hearing from a close friend/economist on those first two “really great ideas”, I’m convinced that Paul would have this country’s finances in worse shape than Obama if those “ideas” were implemented.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Rats, you beat me to it.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

And just to clarify my earlier post, Ron Paul is “ignored” – thank you for clarifying – because he is an idiot, and a widely recognized one at that.

And your comments about the links are exactly right on the money.

Change

 

5

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 6:52PM EDT (link)

Nt

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

Finances

devereaux Tuesday, July 5th at 7:38PM EDT (link)

Misunderstanding of finances?? How so??

Let me quote...

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 9:43PM EDT (link)

our resident economics person, Francis Cianfrocca, on RonPaul’s “really great idea” (from an email exchange, and I asked his permission to quote him):

If the Fed were to extinguish $1.6 trillion in claims on the Treasury WITHOUT selling them, that is precisely identical to printing $1.6 trillion dollars. There is no immediate impact, but the impact would be felt as a massive inflationary pulse as the securities mature.

and

if you cut the Fed’s balance sheet by two-thirds, that is a direct and mechanical deflation. Ben Bernanke must be shaking in his shoes at the thought. Paul may be thinking he’s finally found a way to get rid of the Fed. If your goal is to eliminate economic growth, you couldn’t do better than go to a gold-based monetary system. But shrinking the Fed’s balance sheet is just about as good.

(I’m hoping Francis will diary his thoughts on this “great idea” at some point in the not-too-distant future.)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

1.6 trillion

devereaux Tuesday, July 5th at 10:33PM EDT (link)

Confusion on how the Federal Reserve Operates

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/denninger-displays-total-confusion-on.html

Oh, man, this should be good. [NT]

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, July 5th at 11:26PM EDT (link)

How Central Banks Inflate Nowadays

devereaux Tuesday, July 5th at 11:38PM EDT (link)

http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2011/07/does-karl-denninger-understand-how-central-banks-inflate-nowadays.html

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

the nt is gone

mikeymike143 (Diary) Thursday, July 14th at 7:42AM EDT (link)

after 2012 no more paul in office. it feels like my birthday and christmas all rolled into one.

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