In other words, 93% of tea party members wisely reject this anti semitic loser as a presidential candidate.
Republican Presidential Nomination Preferences, by Ideology and Tea Party Support.
(Based on Republican and Republican-leaning independents who are registered to vote)
TEA PARTY SUPPORTER %:
Newt Gingrich 47%
Mitt Romney 17%
Michele Bachmann 8%
Rick Perry 7%
Ron Paul 7%
Rick Santorum 4%
Jon Huntsman <1%
Other/Any/None 11%
Gallup Daily Tracking. Dec 1-5, 2011
http://www.gallup.com/poll/151355/Gingrich-Romney-Among-GOP-Voters-Nationwide.aspx
In fact, Tea Party Fort Lauderdale, America’s longest running tea party, recently held a straw poll for it’s members asking for our choice of candidate as POTUS, and also the man or woman we thought would make the worst president. And unlike the usual straw polls that the delusional paulbots spam up, this poll was only open to actual group members.
And our straw poll numbers validated the Gallup poll numbers. Ron Paul finished with Jon Huntsman as THE ONLY TWO PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES to pull in less than 5% support from our group. However, the left wing cancer that Paul spreads was not appreciated by our conservative members as career politican Paul overwhelmingly won as the candidate we least wanted to see as president, winning that dubious honor by a huge margin over our second place loser(Huntsman).
Tea Party Fort Lauderdale Presidential Straw Poll
The question was asked;
Who would you least like to receive the Republican nomination to run against Barack Obama?
1st Place
Ron Paul 38%
Jon Huntsman 16%
Mitt Romney 13.5%
Rick Perry 12.5%
Undecided 9.5%
331 people participated in this straw poll that ran from 10/13 – 10/21
Tea Party Fort Lauderdale, America’s Longest Running Tea Party www.TeaPartyFortLauderdale.com
These numbers also fall in line with Wrong Paul’s performance in the last presidential elections. As I recall, he won a bunch of straw and internet polls. And his delusional paulbot followers claimed this represented reality. Of course, us sane people knew that he had no real life political support. And that was proven in the 2008 when the nutjob only got 5% of the primary vote. That means 19 OUT OF 20 REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS REJECTED HIM AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE LAST ELECTION!!!
And of course his followers are the dirtbags of society. Conspiracy loons, anti war leftists, and anti semites. That is why the Republican Jewish Coalition banned him and his paulbots from the presidential debate they moderated. And that is why most sites, including this one, have policies banning paulbots. I say they are a cancer to the conservative movement and we should treat them like lepers and shun them.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
The Republican Jewish Coalition 2012 Presidential Candidates Forum--Paulbots need not apply
mikeymike143 (Diary) Monday, December 12th at 1:36AM EDT (link)Ron Paul supporters are angry at his exclusion from the Republican Jewish Coalition presidential forum, despite Dr. Paul himself not publicly even caring. Supporters of the Klan do not get angry when they are excluded from NAACP banquets. Go on Ron Paul message boards, read the anti-Semitism, and then understand why nobody wants these miscreants anywhere near respectable events.
The Republican Jewish Coalition recently held their 2012 Presidential Candidates Forum in Washington, DC. Ron Paul did not attend, which of course resulted in his supporters going ballistic. Because Ron Paul supporters have a habit of shouting down speakers and disrupting events, anything that minimizes their attendance improves Republican events.
These events are for people to listen to the candidates and make an informed choice. Supporters of Dr. Paul already have their mind made up. There is no reason for them to attend a single event. They know who they are voting for.
Yet the problem with Ron Paul supporters goes deeper than just bad behavior. There is a cancer in the Ron Paul movement. It is called anti-Semitism, and it is pervasive among his followers.
Dr. Paul himself may not be one, but his outreach to the Jewish community has been non-existent. His supporters are angry that he was excluded from a Jewish event, but he never asked to be included. He has not said a single word about his exclusion. His supporters care. He doesn’t. In all of his years in office, he has never truly reached out to the Jewish community. Therefore, when a Jewish forum takes place, it is reasonable to understand why neither side would want to interact.
Dr. Paul has never at any time condemned anti-Semitism, even in the most perfunctory of ways. He has never weeded out the anti-Semitism among his supporters. Those supporters will make the same argument they always make, that a few rotten apples should not spoil the whole bunch. This argument would be valid if the anti-Semitism was not so widespread. The bad apples are not the exception. They are much of the bucket.
It took only several minutes of searching on Ron Paul forums to find pure Jew-hatred, with desperate attempts to insist that anti-Semitism was not so because they said so.
The first comment was the stereotypical linking of Jews and money, which is every bit as awful as making remarks about black people involving chicken and watermelons. After the “Jews and money” link, the commenters got much worse.
Some tried to claim that they liked Jews but hated Zionists, as if that is not the most pathetic and tired excuse of anti-Semites.
One commenter compared Ron Paul to Jesus. Another accused Jews of using the Holocaust for political gain.
(I am sure my Holocaust survivor dad and grandparents, while they were fleeing for their lives, had other considerations besides how being nearly shot to death could benefit them politically several decades later.)
These comments were not “cherry-picked” to skew the data. They are the data.
These are Ron Paul supporters. They judge everyone else. Now it is time for them to be judged.
“Yes, but it will generate the most donations.
Submitted by YumYum on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 18:25.
$$$$$$$$$!!!!”
“Real Jews love Dr.
Submitted by Charlie’s Angel on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 18:20.
Real Jews love Dr. Paul…..these are just ZIONIST sOB’s!”
“what’s wrong?
Submitted by jblackpost on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 18:44.
what’s wrong with criticizing Zionism? Considering they were a bunch of warmongering left-wing atheists and communists who only cared about establishing the state of Israel and nothing else (not even Jewish life), I think separating this horrible movement (which I hate) from the Jewish people (whom I like) is a pretty good idea.”
“Most Jews are pretty cool aka not Zionista -look at my hero
Submitted by sharkcity on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 18:45.
Milton Friedman
Isreal[sp] wouldn’t be much more than just another country if it were not for the apocalyptic Christian lobby aka the neocons..
Not much difference in the right wing be it neocon, taliban, or zionist -Their all bizzacko in my book”
“At least in this post
Submitted by ANCAP_REASON on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 19:22.
you differentiated between atheists and communists…
The biggest warmongers are monotheists, specifically those of the Abraham tradition, by the way.”
“Makes sense to me
Submitted by Smudge Pot on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 19:59.
in as much as “the Jewish lobby” represents the modern state of Israel. Ron never pretended to represent the 51st state in the union.”
“Well….
Submitted by JFEJ004 on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 18:08.
It wouldn’t be the first savior they’ve killed.”
“Samaria? You mean the
Submitted by AtlantaIconoclast on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 23:39.
Samaria? You mean the Occupied remnant of historic Palestine. There is no such thing as Samaria any more.”
“This is absurd and the height
Submitted by AtlantaIconoclast on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 23:34.
This is absurd and the height of irony. It is the Zionist who is extreme, and that includes Christian as well as Jewish Zionists. They have bullied and use the Holocaust to scare everyone into speaking out against Israel’s policies.
So sick of this. I don’t want us to give another penny to either Israel or its enemies.
Why can’t be let go of the religious thing?”
“Be Careful
Submitted by Gary Patridge on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 21:53.
any criticism will be construed as “Anti-Semitic”.
When will the World figure out that Zionists are not Isrealites? Pretty sure that Zionists are not God’s chosen people…”
“One can dislike Israel, but
Submitted by AtlantaIconoclast on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 23:38.
One can dislike Israel, but not have a problem with Judaism. Why would anyone, but a Jewish supremacist, or Christian Zionist LIKE the apartheid state of Israel? This is not about anti Jewish sentiment. I have no problem saying it, for I truly do not care about someone’s religion.”
“I’m shocked!
Submitted by BigT on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 20:54.
You mean that rabid socialist zionist Jewish Neocons are working against freedom again? Who’da thunk it???!!
News flash folks. That’s all they do is work against freedom. They are the enemy within.”
The real challenge was finding one Ron Paul supporter willing to stand up for what is decent and right. Among a bunch of ranting, raving, Jew-hating bigots disguised as reasonable people, one person named Toledana tried to reason with the mob.
“It doesn’t help us
Submitted by toledana on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 18:39.
when RP supporters make negative statements about Israel, Zionism, or the Jewish people. I have heard some Jews say they have been turned off to Dr. Paul because of what his supporters have said.
It’s not surprising that Ron Paul has been banned from a Jewish debate when people like you are making negative statements about them as a people. We need to open our arms to everyone, and instead of talking badly about them as a group help to educate them about Ron Paul’s platform.
To much of the world, America is seen in a very bad light. Do you appreciate it when people make blanket statements about American citizens saying all of us are evil and bloodthirsty?”
Toledana’s next comment was even more insightful, especially the last line.
“It is name calling
Submitted by toledana on Thu, 12/01/2011 – 19:20.
not constructive criticism. Rarely do people who use this terminology give any kind of explanation, and it comes off as angry and hateful.
Terming people “Zionist” is collectivist thinking and polarizes our movement from Jewish people who see Israel as their homeland. Whether or not you agree with that belief is up to you…. but throwing hate their way is not helping us get any votes. Instead we are turning even moderate Jewish supporters away in disgust.
I’ve never heard Dr. Paul use the term “Zionist” or speak the way many of the people in this thread are doing.
Raging against the “religious right,” “Left wing extremists” and “neocons” doesn’t do us any favors either. If we want to expand the movement we need to work on being inclusive… promoting education, not name calling. We need more votes, not more enemies.
Otherwise we are going to end up on a little life raft mumbling to ourselves.”
Toledana is the aberration. As for the rest, this is what is infecting the Ron Paul movement. There are tons of things Dr. Paul could say or do. He has said nothing. He has done nothing.
Silence is acquiescence, and Dr. Paul will not stand up and condemn pure evil in written and spoken form. While his followers are spouting noxious garbage, he stays silent. Therefore, when it came time to hold a Republican Jewish forum, it was perfectly appropriate for Dr. Paul to remain silent far away from the event. His supporters will speak up for him, but not for anybody else.
This is why when his supporters complain, Jews everywhere should tune them out. They have spoken enough, and the words were pure ugliness.
When an anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, anti-Jewish presidential forum is held, the Paul supporters can all get together and rail about Neocons, moneylenders, bankers, merchants, Paul Wolfowitz, Wall Street, and other blood libel conspiracies.
Actually, these forums are being held on a daily basis. They are called Internet message boards.
Dr. Paul may wish to drop the willful blindness and see what his supporters really believe. Then he may wish to reach out to Republican Jews with any kind of outreach.
Most likely, he will not.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2011/dec/8/republican-jewish-coalition-2012-presidential-cand/
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Why Ronald Reagan would STRONGLY OPPOSE the candidacy of Ron Paul
mikeymike143 (Diary) Monday, December 12th at 1:38AM EDT (link)If he were alive today, Ronald Reagan would STRONGLY OPPOSE Ron Paul. Reagan believed in spending generously on our national defense and certainly had an interventionist foreign policy. And according to the Ron ”The Nutjob” Paul’s playbook, that would make the greatest president of my era ”a neocon”. Their policies and beliefs are totally and completely different.
Naturally Ron Paul’s followers will attempt to hide that fact by showing you an old video of Ronald Reagan praising Ron Paul as a candidate and using that as proof that Ronald Reagan would support Ron Paul in 2012. Now watch me dismantle that silly argument!!! Does anyone remember Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania? Arlen was the senator that everyone on tea party and conservative sites called a liberal RINO. He was challenged by a tea party backed conservative in the primary named Pat Toomey and when Specter saw how opposed conservatives were to his candidacy he changed parties to Democrat. He voted for TARP, Obama’s socialized health care plan, and was pro affirmative action and amnesty. Yet, Reagan praised him as a true conservative back in the 1980′s and even cut a campaign ad for him. But go ask a Pennsylvania tea partier what they think of Specter today. LOL. If you were a House or Senate member, and of course running as a Republican, Ronald Reagan would praise you as a candidate for office. That’s part of what a sitting president does for members of his party.
But rather than look at a 30 year old video let’s look at Ron Paul has to say about Ronald Reagan. In 1987, Ron Paul wrote a letter to Frank Fahrenkopf, chairman of the Republican National Committee, stating that he wanted to totally publically disassociate himself with the policies of Ronald Reagan(funny but he yet to publically disassociate with the 9-11 truther movement or Code Pink). He later told the Dallas Morning News that the presidency of Ronald Reagan was a ”dramatic failure”. OK, let’s take a look at the political success of both politicians and decide if that is true. In 2008 Ron Paul ran in the Republican primary for president. He got 5% of the vote. In other words, 95% OF THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY VOTERS REJECTED RON PAUL IN THE LAST ELECTION!!!! In 1984, Ronald Reagan was reelected as the president of the United States in a landslide, winning 49 out of 50 states, and his 525 electoral votes were the the most of any candidate in American history. Hmmm, I think we have to score this one for the Gipper.
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oops, forgot to post the link
mikeymike143 (Diary) Monday, December 12th at 1:41AM EDT (link)http://www.redstate.com/mikeymike143/2011/09/08/why-ronald-reagan-would-strongly-oppose-the-candidacy-of-ron-paul/
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Thanks, mikeymike, for this diary.
avagreen Monday, December 12th at 2:01AM EDT (link)It certainly puts into plain language for all to see what RP (and his rabid followers) are all about, although it’s not news to anyone following his career.
He truly is a neo leftist.
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
avagreen, i agree about nutjob ron paul and his loons being leftists
mikeymike143 (Diary) Monday, December 12th at 10:43AM EDT (link)those delusional losers also think that spending hours spamming presidential internet polls while living in their parents basement equates to their candidate having real political support. LOL
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Ron Paul Youtube attack Perry early for having been a demoract until 1989
lizzie Monday, December 12th at 2:19AM EDT (link)which made me think of this video classic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJDhS4oUm0M&feature=related
“Reagan Campaigns for Truman in 1948″
Today’s GOP needs to keep an open mind about how people can evolve.
Through most of the 1920′s-1940′s, the GOP was isolationist.
btw, mikeymike, glad to know I am not the only one who thinks Code Pink/Free Gaza has hooked up as Paulbots. He really has to know this.
these are his REAL poll numbers
mikeymike143 (Diary) Monday, December 12th at 1:25PM EDT (link)93% of the tea party does not want this aging anti semite as POTUS
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Wonder what Rand Paul has to say about this?
Common_Cents (Diary) Monday, December 12th at 1:30PM EDT (link)Since he recently bashed Gingrich about Tea Party support. Does Rand Paul think tea party folks are dumb for supporting Newt?
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
yes, they are dumb for supporting Newt
sticktotheconstitution Tuesday, December 13th at 2:06AM EDT (link)Ron Paul has more contributions from active duty military than all other republican candidates combined. That is the one statistic that means the most to me
Funny, gov spending as a % of GDP is what matters to me
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 2:30AM EDT (link)And Newt did well by that measure.
Accomplishments mean more than words
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
accomplishments,
sticktotheconstitution Tuesday, December 13th at 2:59AM EDT (link)like, receiving more campaign contributions from active duty military than all other Republican candidates combined? There really is nothing you guys can say to that, besides, “we don’t care about the opinions of the troops who want Ron Paul as Commander in Chief”
Please, one of the anti-RP group, give me a reason to belittle the voice of our own military.
If you reply to this I expect a reason, not name-calling and silly insults
"Accomplishments" is a word with a meaning different from "accolades"
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 11:07AM EDT (link)Accomplishments are evidenced by changes in government policies. Reducing government spending as a percentage of the economy is an accomplishment.
Accolades are evidenced by the the support of people. Receiving political contributions is not a policy accomplishment, it is a sign of political support.
Paul has lots of accolades and no accomplishments.
On the domestic front, government spending as a percentage of GDP is probably the best single indicator of the direction the country is going in.
P.S.providing a link for your proposition would make me take it more seriously.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Receiving donations might be a "political" accomplishment but it isn't a "policy" accomplishment
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 11:12AM EDT (link)and if you want to include “political” accomplishments in the equation, Newt leading the Republicans to take control of the House for the first time in 50 years was a pretty big accomplishment.
Rand Paul would be a much better candidate than Ron Paul.
Rand Paul actually puts together actual budgets that are scored and discussed.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
G'bye
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 8:43PM EDT (link)Guess what? I got told I still get to ban Ronulans.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Cool! Is there a bag limit?
acat (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 8:48PM EDT (link)Cheshire grin
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Caveat Suffragator
In fact, there is not
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 8:49PM EDT (link)No size limit either, good thing given the tiny brains on these.
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Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Good hunting!
acat (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 8:51PM EDT (link)(null)
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Caveat Suffragator
An inside look at Ron ”The Nutjob” Paul’s presidential campaign strategy
mikeymike143 (Diary) Monday, December 12th at 10:27PM EDT (link)RON PAUL WAS OVERHEARD TALKING AT HIS CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS
I guess Ron Paul’s new campaign strategy is……..I have the same foreign policy ideas that Jimmy Carter had. I also have the same ”F” rating on immigration policy from NUMBERS USA as Barack Obama. And I openly declare that conservative groups and other people who oppose Islam or the mosque at Ground Zero are racist. Not to mention that I have publically endorsed far left anti business and anti american candidates like Ralph Nader and Cynthia Mckinney when they ran for office. And to top it all off, I am a career politican who knows how to bring home more wasteful pork for my constituents than any other congressman. Vote for Ron Paul for the DEMOCRATIC nominee for president in 2012.
What do you mean I am running as a Republican??? Oh, you’ve got to be kidding me.
Ok, I guess I need a ”Ron the Con” super strategy that will get people to pay attention to the conservative phrases I utter, instead of my actual voting record. I know, i will attract all the ”conspiracy wackos” by starting a catchy mantra. Let’s go with………….Audit the Fed. And hopefully if I say this mantra long enough people wont figure out that I have been on the take in Washington since dinosaurs roamed the earth, and I still havent been able to get that darn Fed audited.
And I will naturally point out my impressive track record of getting legislation passed during my time in congress. Umm, on second thought maybe I better skip that idea.
And I got absolutely destroyed the last the two times I ran for president. In fact, 19 OUT OF 20 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY VOTERS REJECTED MY CANDIDACY LAST ELECTION. That is because I am a total loser and not really a conservative republican. But I need to sucker the people that live in their parents basement to send me some more money. My paulbots will be easy to fleece for more money if they think I can win the presidency. Hmm, I have just the angle. I will get my paulbots to spam up all the presidential internet polls so I appear be a viable candidate. I will then run a ”moneybomb” asking for donations from those very same followers since the polls now show that I can win.
Finally I will point out the many ways that I have helped the economy grow. Hmmm, there must be something i can point out. Anything? Ok, my followers have caused Alcoa stock to double in value. Alcoa makes Reynolds Wrap(used to make tinfoil hats).
http://www.redstate.com/mikeymike143/2011/07/17/an-inside-look-at-ron-the-nt-pauls-presidential-campaign-strategy/
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Okay, that's plausible...
nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 9:02PM EDT (link)…and hilarious…..
notice how all anti-RP posts are by mikeymike143
sticktotheconstitution Tuesday, December 13th at 2:09AM EDT (link)What’s in it for this one guy to see Dr. Paul not get the nomination? If he actually believed this crap polling, then there would be nothing to worry about on his part!
He's not the only one.
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 2:25AM EDT (link)About 90% of us are that way.
Oh, and use reply to this.
It is a measure of inteligence around here.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Hardly Ron Paul would be a disaster
tomatin Tuesday, December 13th at 4:00PM EDT (link)His full disengagement around the world would put America back before WWII on the world stage.
And how did that work out for us.
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 4:07PM EDT (link)It eventually led to two wars on two different fronts.
That is a really great idea.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
World War Two
archie77 (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 11:59PM EDT (link)was a case Ron Paul would have gone to war.
Had we stayed out of World War One, there would have been no World War Two in the first place. Yeah, that’s right Wilsonian interventionism, gave us the Holocaust, World War Two, the Cold War, etc.
why ron paul has ZERO chance to win the republican presidential primary
mikeymike143 (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 3:49PM EDT (link)1. His foreign policy ideas are simply the same recycled bad ideas that Jimmy Carter had. A foreign policy of ”let’s hide our head in the sand like an ostrich and blame big bad America and hope that everyone leaves us alone” is not only ignorant, but also dangerous for our country. And the big winners in last November’s elections were the ones who espoused ”american exceptionalism”, not the ones who espoused ”anti-american apologism”. Now I will admit Ron Paul’s foreign policy message would go over well with the Code Pink/Dennis Kucinich voters, but those type of people tend to be Democrats, not Republicans. One of my facebook friends put it best when he said ”if Ron Paul had been president during World War 2, we would all be speaking German now”.
2. He has no real political power. And this was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in 2008. Yes, he can win any ONLINE presidential poll. So what. In 2007 the paulbots hijacked the same online polls and Ron Paul won them all. His followers then posed articles all over the internet touting his candidacy. He then suckered his gullible followers telling them that the ”polls showed he could win” and send to him money. Then came the 2008 primaries. Out of the 50 states that were availible for Ron Paul to win, guess how many he won? ZERO. And that is spelled Z-E-R-O. Now let’s go to the present day. His internet saavy paulbots are again winning all the online and straw polls for their idol. His followers are again posting articles about him like he actually has a legitimate chance to win. Next is going to come the annual ”moneybomb” when Ron Paul once again fleeces his followers by pointing out that he is ahead in the polls and has a chance to win this time. But their delusional fantasy is going to run into a buzzsaw called Republican primary voters. Paul got absolutely destroyed when he ran in 1988, got whipped by John McCain in 2008, and he will be a three time loser in 2012.
3. There are plenty of people who are ”one issue voters” in politics. And in the Republican party there are plenty of people that ”opposition to islam” is the one issue they feel strongly about. You can go to any anti islam or conservative jewish site and see that the two politicians that are diliked the most are Obama and Ron Paul. Ron Paul has said ”I don’t believe for one minute the religion of islam is our enemy”. And Paul also attacked the Sunshine Patriots for their oppostion to the ground zero mosque. Now i am not going to debate the muslim issue here, but the fact that a decent sized voting group in your own party considers you one of their main foes is certainly not good news for your campaign. Now to be fair, you will get the people who think Israel is oppressing Palestine and the pro muslim agenda voters will be on Paul’s side. The only problem with that is almost all of that crowd are Democrats who support Obama.
4. Let’s look at Ron Paul’s position on crack cocaine and heroin. Now I am totally fine with legalizing pot and prostitution in any state if the voters want it. If somebody wants to get laid or smoke a joint it sure isn’t any of my business. But we are talking about legalizing hard drugs because Ron Paul says that the government is unconstitutionally sticking its nose in peoples business by not allowing it. I say once it becomes legal, who is going to cover the costs of the people that get addicted to it to go to rehab or treatment centers. And please don’t say the addict. Probably the government will have to. Great, now here comes a great big expansion of government to fight the drug war that was ”caused by the tea party candidate”. Which by the way, I as a taxpayer will have to cover. Increased police and court costs etc, etc. But the issue isn’t what I think or Ron Paul thinks, the issue is what does the Republican primary voter think of this policy. The ”religious right” will certainly oppose it full force. And I would think that anyone that has had a family member suffer through the addiction process will be opposed to it. That’s two groups opposed. Of course, Paul will pick up the ”left wing hippie” vote and the anarchists vote. Except the left wing hippies are already card carrying members of the Democratic party. And all the anarchists who want to overthrow big bad America are already his supporters.
5. If he were alive today, Ronald Reagan would strongly oppose him. Reagan believed in spending generously on our national defense and certainly had an interventionist foreign policy. And according to the Ron Paul playbook, that would make the greatest president of my era ”a neocon”. Their policies and beliefs are totally and completely different. Naturally Ron Paul’s followers will attempt to hide that fact by showing you an old video of Ronald Reagan praising Ron Paul as a candidate and using that as proof that Ronald Reagan would support Ron Paul in 2012. Now watch me dismantle that silly argument!!! Does anyone remember Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania? Arlen was the senator that everyone on tea party and conservative sites called a liberal RINO. He was challenged by a tea party backed conservative in the primary named Pat Toomey and when Specter saw how opposed conservatives were to his candidacy he changed parties to Democrat. He voted for TARP, Obama’s socialized health care plan, and was pro affirmative action and amnesty. Yet, Reagan praised him as a true conservative back in the 1980′s and even cut a campaign ad for him. But go ask a Pennsylvania tea partier what they think of Specter today. LOL. If you were a House or Senate member, and of course running as a Republican, Ronald Reagan would praise you as a candidate for office. That’s part of what a sitting president does for members of his party.
But rather than look at a 30 year old video let’s look at Ron Paul has to say about Ronald Reagan. In 1987, Ron Paul wrote a letter to Frank Fahrenkopf, chairman of the Republican National Committee, starting that he wanted to totally publically disassociate himself with the policies of Ronald Reagan(funny but he yet to publically disassociate with the 9-11 truther movement or Code Pink). He later told the Dallas Morning News that the presidency of Ronald Reagan was a ”dramatic failure”. OK, let’s take a look at the political success of both politicians and decide if that is true. In 2008 Ron Paul ran in the Republican primary for president. He got 5% of the vote. In other words, 19 OUT OF 20 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY VOTERS DID NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN THE LAST ELECTION. In 1984, Ronald Reagan was reelected as the president of the United States in a landslide, winning 49 out of 50 states, and his 525 electoral votes were the the most of any candidate in American history. Hmmm, I think we have to score this one for the Gipper.
6. Illegal Immigration. According to the highly respected anti immigation group NUMBERS USA, Ron Paul has the lowest grade of any Republican presidential candidate out there, coming in with an F. Naturally, his paulbots try to put a spin on this by saying ”welfare and benefit programs should be unconsititutional so illegal immigrants wont come here”. If Ron Paul threw puppies off a tall building his hynoptized followers would be applauding and yelling it was ”constitutional”. That argument wont cut it with the voters. Polls overwhelmingly show that Americans are in favor of closing our borders and against all forms of amnesty. And that really holds true with Republican voters. April has posted articles by former Ron Paul allies like Tom Tancrdeo that blast Paul on the immigration issue. Yet again, Ron Paul thinks like a liberal Democrat, and in fact even has the same ”F” grade that NUMBERS USA gave Obama.
7. Paul’s pork problem. One thing career politicians learn to do is talk conservative while picking the taxpayers pocket for money. And ”Porkulus Paul” has this shady routine down pat. First of all, let’s go back to last November’s elections to get the proper perspective on this issue. The Republicans destroyed the Democrats on November 3 due to the energy and votes of the tea party!!!!! Now the tea party came in and deservedly wanted to flex it muscles. And decided to take a principled stand against the unethical practice of pork(earmarks). The fight against earmarks was led by the Tea Party Patriots(TPP) and other tea party and conservative groups against the pork loving Democrats. In fact, TPP leader Mark Meckler considered this such an important issue that he promised to run a tea party challenger against any Republican that accepted them.
“We’ll do what we always do,” said Meckler. “Our members will put immense pressure on every senator to vote against earmarks. This is a fundamental issue — it’s both substantive and symbolic. Will they vote against the politics of the past or are they still stuck in it? This is a vote that will never go away, like TARP. Tea Partiers have long memories. Politicians have always taken advantage of the fact that voters have short memories, but we’ll know, we’ll remember, and in 2012 when they have aggressive, well-funded primary challengers, they’ll know why.”
Then it came out that a Republican asked for 150 MILLION DOLLARS IN PORK FOR HIS DISTRICT!!! Surely this was a RINO. Maybe Olympia Snowe or Scott Brown? No, it was actually Ron Paul.
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was one of only four House Republicans to break rank from the party and request earmarks despite a Republican Conference earmark moratorium. Paul sent 41 earmark requests totaling $157,093,544 for the 2011 Fiscal Year.
Ron Paul is to the far left of the tea party on just about every major issue. Actually he looks just like a liberal Democrat to me.
SAY NO TO THE FAR LEFT TURN, STAY RIGHT. NO PAUL IN 2012
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A liberal democrat?
daveoconnor (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 4:16PM EDT (link)Really? Can you name one who strongly supports the 10th amendment? Can you name one who wants to cut a trillion dollars from the fed budget in 2013?
I’m not a Ron Paul voter, but you lose credibility when you admit you can’t tell the difference between a liberal democrat and Paul.
In #5 you actually violate Reagan’s so-called eleventh commandment by attacking and name-calling a Republican.
Your constant use of “nut-job” is puerile. You call him an anti-semite. I’ve seen other of your posts where you quote some of his supporters, but I’d like to see some evidence that he is anti-semite. And not supporting Israel in the way some may want doesn’t mean he is anti-Semitic. Israel is a political entity, a soverign country. Is Israel anti-American when for example its armed forces attack a US Navy ship and cause many deaths and injuries? (USS Liberty-1967-34 dead-172 wounded)
Same Poll says Romney gets 17% of Tea Party vote...There's your problem right there.
After Seven (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 8:17PM EDT (link)Obviously the Gallup definition of Tea Party is not well aligned with the Tea Party definition of Tea Party.
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite.” ~ James Madison
(Federalist 45)
Because God forbid
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 8:40PM EDT (link)these people don’t fit perfectly into the mold into which you’ve placed them.
“Baseball fits America well because it expresses our longing for the rule of law while licensing our resentment of law givers.” ― Major League Commissioner of Baseball A. Bartlett Giamatti
look at the question
mort Tuesday, December 13th at 8:58PM EDT (link)It was “who would you least like?”
Not who would be the best president.
Of course I would also put Paul and Huntsman at the top of the list if the criteria was who has the worst chance of winning the presidency.
What is more alarming is that 13 – 12% respectively give Mitt and Perry not much better odds.
Curious why Newt’s numbers were not listed. I guess no one thinks he could lose?
Always we need to be careful when looking at results of such a small sample and actually realize what question was asked.
TEA PARTY FORT LAUDERDALE’S PRESIDENTIAL STRAW POLL RESULTS
mikeymike143 (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 11:19PM EDT (link)Tea Party Fort Lauderdale is proof the tea party movement is alive and well!!! Next week will be the 140th CONSECUTIVE WEEK that our group has held some kind of public demonstration or event.
And let’s look at our record of picking candidates here at Tea Party Fort Lauderdale.
When everybody was saying establishment favorite Charlie Crist was a lock for the senate seat, we overwhelmingly backed a then unknown named Marco Rubio. When the liberal media said Ron Klein was unbeatable in District 22, we strongly supported Allen West for the seat. And in our last tea party presidential straw poll in May, our winner in a very close race was Herman Cain with 18.5% of the vote. And this was BEFORE Cain was well known. : )
Anyway, we just had another presidential straw poll. It was ONLY open to active members of TPFL(Tea Party Fort Lauderdale). We voted for the candidate we thought would make the best president and also the candidate we liked the least. And both categories were landslides with our tea party members. I was in Asia when the last straw poll was taken and didnt get to participate but I sure voted in this one. My choices were Rick Santorum for the candidate who I most wanted to see as president and of course nutjob Ron Paul as the candidate I least liked. Anyway, i will copy and paste the email I got from TPFL with the results below:
Date: Monday, October 25th, 2011
To: National & Florida Media Outlets, Tea Parties, Grass-Roots, & Conservative Networks
Herman Cain Wins Tea Party Straw Poll; Ron Paul Not So Lucky
Tea Party Fort Lauderdale, America’s longest running tea party, just completed a nine-day straw poll for the 2012 Presidential race.
Herman Cain has been on the rise nationally ever since winning the Presidency 5 Poll in Orlando in late September. Businessman Cain received 53% of the first-place votes in our poll, followed by Newt Gingrich finishing a distant second with 13.5% of the first-place share. Cain also won our straw poll in May taking 18.5% of the pie.
Ron Paul was unfortunate, finishing at the top of the list of “who you would least like to receive the Republican nomination to run against Barack Obama,” with Jon Huntsman next down the ladder.
1st Place:
Herman Cain 53%
Newt Gingrich 13.5%
Mitt Romney 9.5%
Michele Bachmann 6.5%
Rick Perry 6.5%
Rick Santorum 5%
Less Than 5%:
Ron Paul
Jon Huntsman
*Jason Chaffetz
*Sarah Palin
*Donald Trump
*Allen West
Undecided
*Write-in Votes
Tea Party Fort Lauderdale Presidential Straw Poll
The question was asked;
Who would you least like to receive the Republican nomination to run against Barack Obama?
1st Place
Ron Paul 38%
Jon Huntsman 16%
Mitt Romney 13.5%
Rick Perry 12.5%
Undecided 9.5%
331 people participated in this straw poll that ran from 10/13 – 10/21
Tea Party Fort Lauderdale, America’s Longest Running Tea Party www.TeaPartyFortLauderdale.com
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Aren't you even a litttle bit ashamed?
roccus3 Tuesday, December 13th at 9:29PM EDT (link)To write an article, and post it publicly, and proudly?… Stating that “Paulbots” are routinely Banned from posting on Conservative Websites…
Aren’t you even a little ashamed of the Censorship criticism associated with such remarks?
Alright, it’s true, that Most people don’t really Think…when they read something…but if you are running a website…and you want it to be successful….
One of the best definitions of success that I have ever heard is to be respected by intellegent and accomplished people….
If you want a successful blogsite,, and respect..you should probably reconsider blanket banning of any group…especially one that is somewhat at least remotely related.
Sorry, no.
Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 10:29PM EDT (link)Not ashamed in the least. And you get the standard instruction: if you have issues with Redstate moderation policies, email the Contact link. Discussion of said policies are off limits here.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Paulbots
johnnyredstate Wednesday, December 14th at 1:52AM EDT (link)are like locusts, they must be held at bay. Unfortunately, that means that they must be sidelined or they will rapidly takeover. LOL
Another Thread About
archie77 (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 11:50PM EDT (link)Ron Paul is a Nut! Big Friggin Deal! Cut the Crap!
This thread is an outright political hit piece reminiscent of of the juvenile drivel seen on site such as Daily KOS and should have no place on a serious blog site such as Redstate. Second, by using the name “Tea Party” and spewing hatred, only damages to Tea Party. Finally, blind and openly sewing your hatred of Ron Paul will turn him into a victim and a martyr. Nothing so quickly attracts support than a martyr. The best thing is to ignore them. Ron Paul is his own worst enemy, he does not need your help. Try doing something constructive, like promoting your choice for the nominee.
sorry paulbot, your opinion is valueless and unimportant
mikeymike143 (Diary) Wednesday, December 14th at 12:03AM EDT (link)but i did notice you have a new profile here and just coincidentally happened to decide to post in defense of ron paul. LOL.
I am the Media Director for Tea Party Fort Lauderdale, America’s Longest Running Tea Party.
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Please click on our TPFL facebook page and ”like” us. http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Tea-Party-Fort-Lauderdale/187610141278242
I also own the second largest anti Ron Paul page for conservatives on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/If-you-love-the-Tea-Party-but-think-Ron-Paul-is-a-nut-please-friend-me/118960598172931
Another Thread About
archie77 (Diary) Tuesday, December 13th at 11:51PM EDT (link)Ron Paul is a Nut! Big Friggin Deal! Cut the Crap!
This thread is an outright political hit piece reminiscent of the juvenile drivel seen on site such as Daily KOS and should have no place on a serious blog site such as Redstate. Second, by using the name “Tea Party” and spewing hatred, only damages to Tea Party. Finally, blind and openly sewing your hatred of Ron Paul will turn him into a victim and a martyr. Nothing so quickly attracts support than a martyr. The best thing is to ignore them. Ron Paul is his own worst enemy, he does not need your help. Try doing something constructive, like promoting your choice for the nominee.
It is the truth
seanl (Diary) Wednesday, December 14th at 9:16PM EDT (link)when has speaking the truth become dirty pool? Believe me, voters won’t care about your pearl clutching. They’ll care about the truth.
Rick Santorum – moving America forward by bringing back the values that made this country great. But I don’t believe this at all, actually! I’m a moby who calls people hypocrites! That means that I think ‘irony’ means ‘like iron’!
MikeyMike
JFiore83 (Diary) Wednesday, December 14th at 1:13AM EDT (link)Man, you got a lot of info to back up your assertions. I sincerely doubt Ron Paul will ever even get the nomination. Can you imagine the uproar thatv would happen at the convention? Not good at all. Bump!
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”
-Ronald Reagan
It's at the convention
mort Wednesday, December 14th at 8:53PM EDT (link)that any nominee is chosen. It would not be an uproar, but a consensus.
Elect smart delegates – they decide.
better yet
mort Wednesday, December 14th at 8:55PM EDT (link)run to be a delegate – then you will have a say
Ron Paul questions his own ability to "hold up" if the primary season is long
Scope (Diary) Thursday, December 15th at 11:56AM EDT (link)Paul told Blitzer on Wednesday “I’m not looking forward to anything long and protracted. So I hope it ends rather quickly and we do well in the beginning of the year. The organization is fantastic. The question is: am I going to hold up if I keep doing all this.”
Beside the obvious facts that even if Paul miraculously won the nomination, the General election is still almost a year away, and a presidential term is 4 years long, but what would Paul doing real well in the beginning of the year mean, that he could sit back then and not bother to campaign in all of the other states, because he won the first few primaries?
Watching Paul wibble and wobble on the debate stage, and find it necessary to hold himself up with the lecturn, it has been painful to watch at times. I’ve suggested that he be given a chair so he could rest when he is not being questioned. Paul would be 80 years old on election day in 2012. If Paul has already been showing the signs of strain, and has admitted that he doesn’t think he could “hold up” just during the primaries, which many think will in fact be long, do we really want an elderly feeble old gent for the president? How about that 3AM call? I remember seeing much younger presidents age dramatically through their terms, the stresses and strains are incredibly harsh. Can we really afford to have a president who is already physically weak and feeble?
Whatever are people thinking that have put him in 2nd and 3rd place in many state polls?