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Regarding the Iraq War Debate: let me assure our esteemed opponents.

*We* won. *You* lost. *Thank* God.

And that’s precisely how it needed to be. Oh, don’t worry: five, six years from now, all y’all can pretend that you were for the war all along and probably nobody will call you on it. I mean, watch how the AP handles the problem:

Analysis: US now winning Iraq war that seemed lost

By ROBERT BURNS and ROBERT H. REID – 7 hours ago

BAGHDAD (AP) — The United States is now winning the war that two years ago seemed lost.

Limited, sometimes sharp fighting and periodic terrorist bombings in Iraq are likely to continue, possibly for years. But the Iraqi government and the U.S. now are able to shift focus from mainly combat to mainly building the fragile beginnings of peace — a transition that many found almost unthinkable as recently as one year ago.

Despite the occasional bursts of violence, Iraq has reached the point where the insurgents, who once controlled whole cities, no longer have the clout to threaten the viability of the central government.

That does not mean the war has ended or that U.S. troops have no role in Iraq. It means the combat phase finally is ending, years past the time when President Bush optimistically declared it had. The new phase focuses on training the Iraqi army and police, restraining the flow of illicit weaponry from Iran, supporting closer links between Baghdad and local governments, pushing the integration of former insurgents into legitimate government jobs and assisting in rebuilding the economy.

See how easy it is? You’d never know from that story that the folks over at the Associated Press were… ah, “attempting to give a nuanced and balanced look at a very chaotic and complex topic,” or whatever phrases they were clinging to keep them from waking up at night screaming at what they had become. And if they can do it, well, so can you.

Allahpundit – Allahpundit! – has a bit of the mini-roundup of optimism now flowering over all of this; like him, I suggest that you read Michael Totten’s piece on the nature of the three wars we were fighting (although I think that Totten overstates the sectarian conflict when he calls it a ‘civil war’). Also like him, I recommend that you review a certain speech made by Senator McCain. Particularly this bit:

If Senator Obama had prevailed, American forces would have had to retreat under fire. The Iraqi Army would have collapsed. Civilian casualties would have increased dramatically. Al Qaeda would have killed the Sunni sheikhs who had begun to cooperate with us, and the “Sunni Awakening” would have been strangled at birth. Al Qaeda fighters would have safe havens, from where they could train Iraqis and foreigners, and turn Iraq into a base for launching attacks on Americans elsewhere. Civil war, genocide and wider conflict would have been likely.

Above all, America would have been humiliated and weakened. Our military, strained by years of sacrifice, would have suffered a demoralizing defeat. Our enemies around the globe would have been emboldened. Terrorists would have seen our defeat as evidence America lacked the resolve to defeat them. As Iraq descended into chaos, other countries in the Middle East would have come to the aid of their favored factions, and the entire region might have erupted in war. Every American diplomat, American military commander, and American leader would have been forced to speak and act from a position of weakness.

Senator Obama told the American people what he thought you wanted to hear. I told you the truth.

I have been waiting to say this, formally, for the record, and with no ambiguities, for several years now: and I think that the day has finally arrived. Were you against this war? If so, that was your privilege. You were abjectly, totally, morally, ethically, and comprehensively wrong to be against this war – but that was your privilege. And, highly fortunately for those of you on the other side from me on this issue, you will not have to deal with the karmic consequences of your stance. You got the rarest thing in the universe, in other words: an ethical mulligan. Personally, I don’t think that any of you people deserved it, but that’s not my place to say.

But rest assured: if the war was Not In Your Name, then neither is the victory. You will not get to sneak back in and pretend that you favored this result from the start. You didn’t. You will not get to pretend that you just didn’t think that victory was possible. We bore witness to you too many times that it was. You will not be allowed to change the subject and look to the future. You have yet to fully address the abject folly of your past. In short: you are going to have to admit that you were wrong, and we were right, and that you should have known better all along.

Then there will be peace among us on the war. Until that happens, enjoy having your face ground into the dirt on this: it’s nothing compared to what you had scheduled for the populace of Iraq.

Moe Lane

COMMENTS

  • richterm

    Thanks Moe.

    With the Internet and people able to produce videos and transcripts of the entire debate, it will be greatly amusing to watch the left try and backpedal on this one.

    If I were more of a bastard, I have some relatives I’d be calling right now…

  • Dave_in_Fla

    Just a great post.

  • gamecock

    then we were, at all times, winning.

  • kyle8

    I, will call them on it ALWAYS, from now on I will never let a democrat open their mouth about foreign policy without accusing them of being a reflexive Bush hater who wanted us to lose in Iraq. I will say it every time, I will be even more annoying than they were.
    Every time.
    forever.
    And, loving it.

  • DCTrav

    Due to the fact that the anti-war Democrats will never have to deal with the consequences of an Iraq war loss, they will not ever feel the need to admit the importance of an Iraq war win.

    For instance, Barack Obama just the other day stated that he could not possibly have an idea what would have happened in Iraq had his plan been implemented instead of the surge. I happen to think John McCain illustrated perfectly what would have happened regarding retreating under fire, a massive Middle Eastern war, a safe haven for those who want to kill us, etc.

    However, actually expecting them to realize and admit that this might have happened is not reasonable. As far as they are concerned, who is to say that had they gotten their way, all wouldn’t have gotten, better sooner in Iraq?

    I’m just so happy that they didn’t get their chance to be proven wrong.

  • Haley37

    and the second coming was happening!

    Wow.. the AP actually admits what I’ve known for over a year now, that the United States is WINNING the war against jihadists in Iraq.

    Of course – in typical AP fashion – they still take their cheap shots at President Bush with the whole Mission Accomplished slogan. Funny how they still pretend that he wasn’t talking about the toppling of Sadaam’s regime, which was the mission to which the banner refered.

    However, all’s well that ends well. Just knowing how utterly gut-wrenching it must have been for the AP publish a U.S. victory story makes me smile big time.

    Yes MSM and Kerry/Obama Losercrats, I’m laughing AT YOU.

    GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES MILITARY!

  • blooch

    So 10 years from now will The Guardian credit Michael Moore and/or George Clooney with the existence of a free and democratic Iraq?

  • Mord

    Credit his staunch advocacy for middle east peace to justify staying in office with no term limits. He HOPES.

  • liberalrepublican

    Than I agree with you 100%

    However, this war was not won by conservatives, it was won by America.

  • David_Hinz

    it was won by Americans.

    It was almost lost by liberals

  • streiff

    a lot of conservatives of the Pat Buchanan variety, and even quite a few respectable Republicans, were willing to accept defeat in Iraq.

  • Moe_Lane

    NT

  • Wubbies_World

    … with you on this. I will never stop rubbing their faces in it.

    There are some people I know who already dread seeing me walk in the door. However, I will admit, I am much kinder and softer in my delivery then they ever were, but it doesn’t take much in the way of gently pointing out their error to make the guilt well up in them.

  • liberalrepublican

    The American people are a lot smarter than the folks in Washington or the MSM.

  • itrytobenice

    That’s all. Just Amen.

  • lampe3d

    I am from Iowa. For over 20+ years I have been a straight party ticket Republican voter. I have been in field sales my entire life and have listened to Rush Limbaugh for the majority of my time in the car. I did not like the turn of the McCain camp the last three or so weeks. Back in late 07 McCain said he would never politicize the troops or the military during his campaign. He was walking a thin line for the last month and it bothered me enough to change my party affiliation from Republican to Democrat. Then today I heard his latest ad politicizing the troops overseas during Obama’s visit, that he was playing basketball instead of seeing the troops. Well, from what I understand he played basketball once, and that was in Kuwait with a gym full of military personnel not Berlin where McCain suggested in his ad. It is disgraceful. I feel much better being an independent at this time.

  • Darin_H

    You can haz captain?

    Fail

  • whatifidontwanna

    So, all it took was one or two ads for you to go from a Rush Limbaugh listening Republican to a Democrat? But at the end you say you’re an independent.

    You’re not a very good liar bro.

  • David_Hinz

    American Judge 4.4
    Armenian Judge 4.6
    Amerasian Judge 4.2
    Asinine Judge 4.8
    Albanian Judge 4.1
    Assyrian Judge 4.0

    Sorry, I believe it was the dismount. Either that or the reality disconnect. Either way you do not make it through to the finals.

  • Moe_Lane

    Mind you, it does seem rather goofy of the man to switch to the less ethical side right now, but we let people do that.

    Not In Your Name, lampe3d.

    Moe Lane

    PS: Volkswagens are nice enough cars, but kind of over-rated. See: I can thread-jack, too. Don’t do it again.

  • GregInFla

    that was “Accomplished” was the mission of the ship that President Bush was on. There group’s mission had been accomplished, and they were going home.

  • CaptainMarvel

    In principle Moe I agree with you & I suspect that much of this anti-war coalition will go down in history as a worthless group of naysayers & naive terrorist sympathizers. However, we shouldn’t assume Al-Qaeda and the Iranian government will stop trying to undermine the Iraq operation. They may indeed try some spectacular attacks just prior to this November’s election in order to help elect Obama.

  • smagar

    “Red Fred,” by the way, is the nickname for the person in a wargame who strategizes on behalf of the opposing force. As the Communists were the “opposing force” for most Americans (Ivy League faculty excepted), we associated “red” with the enemy.

    (Come to think of it, maybe that’s why the MSM chose to color Republicans “red” in the first place. Maybe they see us as the enemy. Anyhoo…)

    Red Fred would probably make the following recommendations to the Dems and MSM elite:

    1) Continue to ignore Iraq. Douse the success there with silence.

    2) Look for ways to confuse the discussion. Cite McCain’s statements today, for example, that show some support for a 16-month time window on withdrawal from Iraq as evidence that he and Obama really are pretty much on the same page.

    If that’s not accurate—so what? Will the MSM make a big deal of it? Hardly—they want Obama to win. So, the Obama campaign can risk floating half-truths or misleading statements about its position on Iraq. For the most part, the MSM will stay silent, or only object on page A27, in an article underneath the Crazy Eddie Labor Day sales ads.

    I think the MSM and Obama campaign will try to douse the Iraq issue by moving on from it. Will the MSM let them? Possibly so. They might want Iraq to recede from the public consciousness. Otherwise, the public, now more aware of the successes we’ve achieved in Iraq, have the opportunity to reflect on how much the MSM’s past coverage of events in Iraq turned out to be wrong.

    Best to just drop the whole matter, eh?

  • Flagstaff

    “Barack Obama just the other day stated that he could not possibly have an idea what would have happened in Iraq had his plan been implemented instead of the surge.”

    The natural question then is, didn’t you have some idea, some range of possibilities in mind, of what would happen if your plan was implemented? Do you mean to say you were just suggesting that we do “something else” so you could say you had a plan?

    You didn’t have expectations of any kind about what would happen if we followed your plan?

    Or do you just mean that now, with 20-20 hindsight, you know your expectations were WRONG?

  • Flagstaff

    come about because the Democrats put up such valiant, principled opposition to anything the Republicans want to do? Everything?

    It’s patriotic to dissent, you know.

  • Whitehorse

    Thank GOD!

  • dbecraft

    withdraw, they will experience much worse than they imagined – unfortunately so will the U.S. and the rest of the world. I leave this outcome to your imagination but it can’t be good…

  • rbdwiggins

    “They may indeed try some spectacular attacks just prior to this November’s election in order to help elect Obama.”

    I believe you have that backwards…

    Absolutely the last thing Iran or al-Qaeda would want to do “just prior” to the election is to remind the American people exactly how dangerous the region remains, despite the success of the surge, and point out the obvious, Obama’s incompetence and inexperience.

    Should Obama win in November, Iran and al-Qaeda may wish to stage a “spectacular attack” in celebration of the anti-war candidate’s victory and to hasten Obama’s planned withdrawl from harm’s way.

  • David_Hinz

    Limited, sometimes sharp fighting and periodic terrorist bombings in Iraq are likely to continue, possibly for years.

    TRANSLATION: Do not expect to hear a word from us out of Iraq for weeks, sometimes months at a time. Then, if there is a spectacular bombing, or a large enough number of people killed, you can expect us to saturate the MSM will reports of carnage and death — all the while wringing our hands about the “seeming” lack of progress toward peace in that “war-torn” country and region.

  • Justin_Case

    They never admit their mistakes.

    The MSM will do nothing to shed light on the fact that the wicked NeoCons were right all along.

    Rumsfeld is trashed without regard for the overwhelming victory that rolled up Iraq forces in three weeks.

    Mistakes and miscalculations were made by our leaders, but there were also events beyond our control such as the Turks not allowing the 4th ID to traverse their country in order to establish a northern front and the classic hammer and anvil.

    The Left in this country refuses to acknowledge that mistakes and miscalculations occur in all wars. The Peninsula Campaign during the Civil War is one example. The aftermath of almost every major battle during that war saw wasted opportunities for total victory.

    There is no substitute for victory.

    Ho Chi Minh and the NV Communists understood this and saw the large casualties they were sure to endure as secondary to victory. They saw the US as an enemy that would eventually be vanquished because of our desire to substitute political will with attempts at negotiations.

    Today’s enemies see that their only chance at success is for history to repeat itself with a fresh crop of useful idiots emerging that will undermine American ideals and American will.

    We know all the chickenhawk arguments, etc. These should be recognized as attempts to demoralize by people who deserve be shunned.

    We have a long way to go and we should be prepared to engage and to oppose the enemy within as well as the enemy without that seeks our destruction.

    Thanks, Moe for your loyalty and for all those others who remain true to this just cause.

  • mbecker908

    at the end of the day, the Iraq War has proved, once again, that just as in the Vietnam War, the Cold War, and the struggles against Communism and tyranny in the Western Hemisphere, the liberals can be counted on to not only accept defeat but demand it.

    Again, they prove that they are anti-military and anti-American.

  • lampe3d

    You can believe what you want but a fact is a fact, I have been a card carrying Republican for the last 20+ years, and as you know I drive a Volkswagen. What does the VW have to do with anything? Don’t be surprised that I changed my affiliation to an Independent. That is a fact. I am not a democrat! There has been a lot more than just the last 3 or 4 weeks, I guess that was just the tipping point. If you think I am a “troll” as I saw in a past post then you are sorely mistaken. There is a reason McCain and Obama are not winning by larger margins and it is due to both parties not being able to win their base and the independent vote. By the way, the person who says I am a troll, how do you explain the significant number of Republicans (I believe I read some where it was 3% or something over the last few years) switching over to independents? Are we all “trolls”? That is a good way to win us back…

  • mbecker908

    Incredibly stupid? Absolutely.

    And completely unworthy of further comment. Go play with your legos, Lord knows you aren’t capable of any form of rational political commentary or discussion.

  • Moe_Lane

    Stop thread-jacking.

  • SpaceElevator

    Now that one in every 6 Iraqis is either dead or in Syria, and we have walled the rest in. We are paying people cash not to shoot at us. We allowed them to have elections, and those elected officials want us out. Thats quite a victory. Have we rebuilt all the infrastructure that we destroyed to get this victory, and win over so many Iraqi hearts? Why did we go in there?

    OK we won, now can we slit Bin Ladens throat?

  • janis

    6 Iraqis is either dead or in Syria…”? Link to “fact” is required.

  • SpaceElevator

    OOps my bad, it is one in five! Thats not counting the dead civilians, The second link gives a feel for that much debated number.

    http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/9679

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/04/01/iraq.main/

  • janis

    Then I went to the “About Us” link and looked that one over. Why does it not surprise me that this kind of organization lists people like “Matt Dillon-actor” as one of their board members. And, lo and behold, George Soros is an emeritus director.

    CNN? Puhleeze. Your side doesn’t give credence to Fox, our side expects nothing but lib talking points from CNN.

    Fail.

  • SpaceElevator

    This site has all the facts, that is why I like to visit! Have a nice Sunday.

  • janis

    n/t

  • Moe_Lane

    Blam.

  • BooBooKitty

    A: To expand the empire and steal Iraq’s resources.

    Or if you don’t like the liberal version then try the factual record and read the bipartisan Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public law 107-243, 116 Stat. 1497-1502). If you are really feeling your oats you should read up on how your own elected officials have lied to you about the war to expand THEIR power base.

    I suggest sticking to the first answer if it will help you sleep easier at night.

  • Justin_Case

    the numbers of displaced or killed had the Messiah and the other defeatists gotten their way in their opposition to the surge.

    No wonder Chuckie-Boy Hagel does not want to discuss the surge any longer.

  • lampe3d

    You can believe what you want but a fact is a fact, I have been a card carrying Republican for the last 20+ years, and as you know I drive a Volkswagen. What does the VW have to do with anything? Don’t be surprised that I changed my affiliation to an Independent. That is a fact. I am not a democrat! There has been a lot more than just the last 3 or 4 weeks, I guess that was just the tipping point. If you think I am a “troll” as I saw in a past post then you are sorely mistaken. There is a reason McCain and Obama are not winning by larger margins and it is due to both parties not being able to win their base and the independent vote. By the way, the person who says I am a troll, how do you explain the significant number of Republicans (I believe I read some where it was 3% or something over the last few years) switching over to independents? Are we all “trolls”? That is a good way to win us back…

  • Moe_Lane

    You are just doing badly today, aren’t you? Have you considered hitting the reset button and starting from zero?

  • janis

    n/t

  • Pentagon16

    Know how I knew when we won the war? Not only during the last two years when EVERY WEEK I compile a report for the Joint Chiefs on the situation in Iraq.

    I knew we won the war when there were ZERO Code Pink or anti-war idiots at the July 4 Washington DC parade.

    All day long, not a single Obama or anti-war type. In the previous years there had always been at least 50 of them in different parts of the parade route chanting and demonstrating.

    This year- not one…

  • Pentagon16

    Ron Paul, Chuck Hagel, Oak Leaf from Polipundit, Pat Buchanan, Robert Novak, and all the other loser “conservatives” who bailed on victory two years ago…

    I despise them more than the libs-

    at least the libs we always know don’t care about the standing of the country, but even a Paleocon should.

  • Pentagon16

    You dummies are so obviously spotted, at least TRY and camouflage your inane claims as not coming directly from Daily Kos talking points.

    Hopefully soon you will be heading back over to your Democratic Underground buddies explaining how the evil Republicans banned you from their site..

  • johndoug

    Iranian influence: way up

    Basic services: below pre-war levels

    Violence: at 2004 levels

    Dead: 4000 Americans, 200,000 Iraqis atleast

    Cost: 10 billion per month

    Afghanistan: worse than ever

    This war is a disaster, surge or no surge.

  • johndoug

    Iranian influence: way up

    Basic services: below pre-war levels

    Violence: at 2004 levels

    Dead: 4000 Americans, 200,000 Iraqis atleast

    Cost: 10 billion per month

    Afghanistan: worse than ever

    This war is a disaster, surge or no surge.

  • Pentagon16

    You need to really update your defeatist talking points. Sorry, but no longer is “1 out of 6″ Iraqis dead or a refugee. Even Angelina Jolie has stated there has been remarkable progress with the refugees coming back to their towns and to Baghdad. Not that you would know that, since you know no one in the US military who has been to Iraq- or any Iraqis.

    After all, in WWII we had 407,000 dead Americans, and gained NOTHING other than the opportunity to spend hundreds of billions rebuilding the Europe we bombed to dust. What a waste that war was!!

  • Moe_Lane

    And trust me: you’re not part of any “we” that matters in this discussion.

    Bye.

  • NightTwister

    Maybe you haven’t checked in with the home base in awhile. It’s important that you check in frequently, as positions change almost daily now.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/ msimon

    You guys got something against years?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    nt

  • KC

    As a Vietnam vet, I was both saddened and disgusted at the way in which Dems politicized the war.

    Dems “said” they supported the troops, but you can’t support the troops without supporting their MISSION.

    Senator Barack Obama voted to cut off spending for the troops. Hell, he wouldn’t even join the Senate vote to condemn the despicable “General Betray Us” ad from MoveOn.

    Our men and women in uniform performed magnificently under extreme conditions.

    They are all heroes.

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