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Rapid response on “Swinegate”. [UPDATED}

Quotes because I'm willing enough to believe that the guy's just a tin-eared chowderhead.

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  September 10th, 2008 at 06:57 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

[UPDATE: Ed Morrissey of Hot Air weighs in, and he's leaning more towards the sexist interpretation. I dunno. Chowderhead really works for me.]

Glenn Reynolds is impressed with the turnaround time on this:

…but he wonders if it was actually worth an ad. It’s the laughter that’s the problem for Obama. If nobody had laughed, he’d be in a better position to say that people are exaggerating this; as it stands, you can certainly make the case that the crowd took it as an insult direct against Palin. And it’s not like this is the first time that something like this has happened, has it?

Sexist, or just plain dumb: take your pick. Either way, Obama’s should probably stop with the own-goals if he wants any chance at all at winning this thing.

Moe Lane

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  • Rod_Patrick

    Here is the 007Angel.

    Obama’s talking points were closely similar to the cartoon.

  • derechista

    …to the comment being an intentional blowback at Palin. Notice how he scratches his forehead just as he begins the stupidest portion of his comments. It’s almost as if he’s wondering, “Do I go there?”.

  • hunter

    “Just put up with it.”
    And now.
    The pattern is set.

  • NCConservative

    OMG Obamas body language is soooo easy to define. You can always tell when he is about to step into something….

    Like the time he flipped off the audience while mentioning Hillary.

  • Moe_Lane

    When did that cartoon get published?

  • derechista

    And the worst part about him is the swaying side-to-side while blubbering “uh, uh, uh….” I’ve got to believe that the average American believes he is a weakling being blown about in the wind when he does it.

    Barack Obama for dean of a university department, maybe. But, President of the United States?

  • SteveLA

    My could this be “The One’s” Macaca moment?

    But I somehow think that the MSM will not report “Pig” comments in the same way they reported monkey comments.

  • bk

    Nah, I think that’s an overreaction.

    BUT…

    It certainly shows a lack of judgment from the “words matter” guy. And this comes right after he said his ridiculous Saddleback abortion comment was flip. This great orator can’t seem to get anything right if it isn’t running on a TelePrompTer.

    AND…

    Let’s assume it was an innocent use of a common cliche. Can you imagine the hue and outcry from the people who find “code words” in everything if McCain were to innocently use some common cliches such as “the pot calling the kettle black” or “let’s call a spade a spade”? OMG we’d never hear the end of it.

  • Rod_Patrick

    It’s really funny. I hope somebody will cross-post the said video here at RS, my favorite town.

  • NightTwister

    it’s usually not a good idea to remove the safeties on the weapons before they’re released, especially in close combat.

    Those things have a tendency to be indiscriminate about what they hit.

  • Uma_Richie

  • Rod_Patrick
  • motbob

    When Obama “gave the finger” earlier this year, I remember a huge discussion about how his hesitation, body language, etc. meant that he had to be giving the finger on purpose. Then they released the camera angle that showed he wasn’t actually giving the finger.

  • bk

    Wasn’t Biden supposed to help share his vast experience with Obama?

  • Moe_Lane

    He probably hugged himself when he found out.

  • rstreu

    you should diary this. It really shouldn’t get lost in the comments section.

  • derechista

    It seems clear to me that Barry was having second thoughts about the Pig Comment just before he made it (see: forehead scratching). He looked like he knew he would be branded the dunce in the class for making the comment before he said it. How’s that for judgment? He blirted it out anyway.

  • Maggie_in_Indiana

    Most “folks” don’t start to pay attention to the election until after labor day.That’s been said time and time again,sooo the non-political junkies,the folks of America don’t have a clue what the old saying about the pig and lipstick means. I didn’t until a year ago when I started digging into politics.

    Don’t think for one minute Obama didn’t know what he was doing ,he did. Imagine your aunt Tilly at the kitchen table drinking her afternoon tea and hear Obama say that. Clean up in the kitchen.

    As offensive as it is to us imagine how offensive it was to the folks. Obama’s true self is beginning to show and he’s unravelling. This is a good thing.

  • blh1976

    What a stupid comment by Obama – regardless of intent. I’m pretty confident the Clintons wouldn’t make this mistake. In fact, they have to be sitting on the porch in Chappaqua enjoying all of this and thinking “Amateurs!”

    The McCain camp doesn’t need to do anything else, except let this thing linger – don’t push it, but don’t brush it aside either. The new ad is kind of ridiculous, but its out there now. Good thing it’s only a web ad.

  • mdc

    is not ready for the big league.
    While the MSM will blow this off, there will be many women who will take offense to this.
    Not good Mr Obama not good at all.

  • derechista

    It seems clear to me that Barry was having second thoughts about the Pig Comment just before he made it (see: forehead scratching). He looked like he knew he would be branded the dunce in the class for making the comment before he said it. How’s that for judgment? He blirted it out anyway.

  • Rod_Patrick
  • Moe_Lane

    The guy’s got enough problems this morning, don’t you think? :)

  • Swamp_Yankee

    I like the ad. They don’t know what to do, which direction to take. I think this keeps them on the defensive and unglued for a few more days.

  • Dan_McLaughlin

    Here in NY, the Daily News and the Post both ran this as their front page stories.

  • rstreu

    he’s drawing a valid comparison between the two events. According to the same body language that was cited for the Swine comment, it would also have been argued that he was giving the finger on purpose. he wasn’t — and it can be argued (and I did in my recent blog) that he wasn’t purpose;y calling Palin a pig.

  • hunter

    A: “The Accomplishments of Barak Hussein Obama”
    This lipstick and smelly fish problem is what happens when a do-nothing, done-nothing empty suit is thrust into real responsibility.

  • derechista

    …that Barry showed terrible judgment, and a lack of knowledge of even current events, by making such a STUPID comment.

    I bet the Palin statement reacting to this in VA today will be rich, indeed.

  • Oz

    to play this up because I think its not really what Obama intended.

    Hopefully, we will hit this for a day or two and then move on to something more useful.

  • rstreu

    http://www.redstate.com/diaries/rstreu/2008/sep/10/new-rnc-ad-ready-to-smear/

  • hunter

    Macaca was clearly a mistake, butthat put the little traitor in the Virginia seat in the Senate.
    Obama’s career, such as it is, is based on people giving him breaks.
    He had no opponents in the state Senate race he won.
    He had no opponent to speak of in the US Senate race.
    His pals told Hillary and her supporters to put up with it in the primary.
    Now he is in an actual, competitive campaign. We get to see Barak without a script or teleprompter. We get to see the real OBama. I have no interest in giving him any breaks at all.

  • spypeach

    What he meant, he says Pig and Lipstick (Palin) then Old and Fish (McCain), you don’t have to be a genius to understand what he meant. Obviously, he said it in such a way that it was on context with a broader issue so that he could deny it later. He’s an idiot.

  • Maggie_in_Indiana

    When we have the upper hand and a chance to poke a little fun why not? The days are winding down and the debates are the next opportunity to hit home runs. Some people may miss this remark altogether but most won’t miss the first woman’s VP nomination debate!

  • TNRedDog

    I think that the comments were absolutely intentional; the crowd in SW VA took a moment to clue in and Barry gave them all the time that was needed for his supporters to process the hit and ovate. In addition to the ‘lipstick’ remark, can it really be a coincidence that he followed with the ‘old fish’ reference? – Mccain just happens to be a 72-year old sailer. Looks to me like he was able to be sexist, ageist, and anti-Navy in one fell swoop….

  • Rod_Patrick

    Seriously, this is so embarassing. Who would ever think that BO, the Ivy League graduate, is picking up his lines from the cartoons? It’s unbelievable.

    But we can give Obama the benefit of the doubt that everything was just a pure coincidence.

  • TNRedDog

    Meant ‘sailor’….

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Yeah, long winded debates about economic numbers may influence a few intelligent voters. But if you have the headlines, you have to ride that horse.

    Biden made a blunder too, but this one is resonating. Its all about getting peoples attention and this has got peoples attention.

    And dont think for one moment, this wasnt about Palin. Everything little detail is planned. I liked the way he looked nervous before saying it and the way the crowd blew up is a dead give away.

  • rstreu

    I’m sure he’d say it was. I mean, it was only a line-by-line reproduction of what the careoon said.

    Makes you wonder about some of his other “zingers” … no?

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Yeah, long winded debates about economic numbers may influence a few intelligent voters. But if you have the headlines, you have to ride that horse.

    Biden made a blunder too, but this one is resonating. Its all about getting peoples attention and this has got peoples attention.

    And dont think for one moment, this wasnt about Palin. Everything little detail is planned. I liked the way he looked nervous before saying it and the way the crowd blew up is a dead give away.

  • blueteapot

    not to overplay this and draw the “whiny” charge. To do so would actually mute some of the negative impact it has just by itself. So, promote the “gaffe”, but carefully.

  • TexasTom

    Mark on top…Weapon away!
    high speed prop cavitation on all bouys
    Stand-by!
    We have explosion. Secondarys… Wait!
    We have screw noises!
    I thought we were on target?
    Yeah, the screw noises are the commies getting f**ked! It’s Miller Time!

    See politics is us against the commies by another name.

    So how do you set the safties on Obamalamadingdongs mouth?

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Yeah, long winded debates about economic numbers may influence a few intelligent voters. But if you have the headlines, you have to ride that horse.

    Biden made a blunder too, but this one is resonating. Its all about getting peoples attention and this has got peoples attention.

    And dont think for one moment, this wasnt about Palin. Everything little detail is planned. I liked the way he looked nervous before saying it and the way the crowd blew up is a dead give away.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Yeah, long winded debates about economic numbers may influence a few intelligent voters. But if you have the headlines, you have to ride that horse.

    Biden made a blunder too, but this one is resonating. Its all about getting peoples attention and this has got peoples attention.

    And dont think for one moment, this wasnt about Palin. Everything little detail is planned. I liked the way he looked nervous before saying it and the way the crowd blew up is a dead give away.

  • Maggie_in_Indiana

    and for Obama to try and use the line again would make him look overly aggressive and sexist after the media hype it’s getting.

  • TexasTom

    Are pretty tired of this men’s locker room barbs. They want some quality inuendo that’s not female based. Here is one for the ladies to use at all Palin/McCain rallies:

    Y’all dems can put a gelding in a horse race but don’t expect any stud fees, win, place or show.

  • Martin_A_Knight

    I’m perfectly willing to accept that it wasn’t intentional – he was just using an idiom that unfortunately had become very closely identified with Sarah Palin.

    But then … when you look at the juxtapositioning of the “lipstick” (Palin) and “old” (McCain) pair of sentences, it really doesn’t look good.

    And besides, I find it interesting that the very same set of people that beat George Allen about the head until he fell with a throw-away comment, and regularly raise all sorts of heck when someone uses the word “niggardly” and has taken to finding racism in the way someone combs his hair … are coming out of the woodwork screaming that we should all get a grip.

    You can imagine the shrieking that would have erupted if either Palin or McCain were ever to have been heard saying “pot calling the kettle black” or “call a spade a spade.”

  • MGamo

    I just heard on the radio something about Biden asking a man to stand up and be recognized at a rally, however the man is disabled and in a wheelchair. Did anyone else hear about it?

  • Mr_Write

    Okay…do we make this a bid deal or do we not?

    I’ve been wobbling back and forth about this since last night, but considering him CLEARLY flipping off Hillary AND essentially insulted BOTH McCain and Palin with his lipstick-on-a-pig/dead fish comment, AND considering the fact that his cohort in crime, Biden, was insulting Palin with a lipstick comment on the same day, I say pull the gloves off and pin him against the wall with so many political punches that he never recovers! This ad is a good start.

  • Crowe

    Moe, I’m not sure why those two are mutually exclusive. That the guy is a chowderhead no one can seriously dispute. Every time he goes off TelePrompTer (aside: why the heck do we capitalize those letters?) affirms that. Stuff like this, which I agree was calculated to lampoon Palin’s very-cool “lipstick” line without plainly stating it, shows he’s a sexist chowderhead. And when it comes directly from Tom Toles — whose musings undoubtedly get much approving notice in the Obama camp — he’s also a plagiarizer. But, again, we already knew he was a plagiarizer, with the first and most memorable example being the “just words” speech he ripped from Deval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts.

    So, Obama is not simply an empty suit, he’s a plagiarizing sexist chowderhead empty suit.

  • PaRep

    Gasbag Joe strikes again
    Check YouTube you will probably find it

  • rstreu

    then the thing to do is take all of these supposed “gaffes” — which I’m still not convinced they aren’t — and beat Obama severely with ALL of them. A single ad: Obama saying something dumb/announcer: a figure of speech?/Obama saying something else dumb/announcer: just a mistake?

    etc.

    Hit a good portion of the gaffes, misstatements and “misunderstandings” this way and then ask the question: Is Obama really THIS inexperienced, or is there something else going on here?

    Leave him no room for an out.

    I’d say there’s certainly enough material for that, and it should be done soon.

  • Raven

    The One reached out and read his cartoon, in public! Toles must be ecstatic!

  • NotMakingThisUp

    But Obama got it from McCain…

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/mccainrollsouthealthplan_a.html

    Where’s the story on Bridgegate?

  • Strelnikov

    The more I hear the piggy comment, and the more I hear the reaction of the crowd, with the pause for a reaction on the word “lipstick,” makes me think it was indeed premeditated, especially if Biden was using the reference as well.

    Do they think they are witty instead of witless?

    And yes, use these dumb-dumb bullets against them in a collage TV ad!

  • slckid

    I’ve been thinking this from the very beginning. Coming from the most politically correct candidate ever, I can’t believe he would actually refer to another candidate in that tone. That being said, I believe it was a calculated stunt by the campaign in order to bait the McCain camp into overreacting about something that could be interpreted as a totally harmless and a well-known quip.

  • Raven

    Hillary is crying.
    Her political future is now in doubt. In serious doubt.

  • itdiehard

    Obama is a fresh fish… You figure out which one stinks..

  • Moe_Lane

    But don’t worry: I understand that your guy is shouting about being stung even as we speak. That’ll show us.

  • John_Wayne

    This was either a freudian slip, a really bad choice of words, or an intentioonal attack. No matter what, it is obvious that the audience took it to mean that he was calling Sarah a pig as evidenced by their laughter. He has a little ‘plausable deniability’, but not much. The big question is why this ‘articulate’ Ivy League graduate would use the lipstick on a pig comment with all the other terms and words he could have chosen. While I write this, he is on TV trying to clean the crap off his shoes! I think he is in melt down. This guy is an educated fool and it is on display for all to see.

  • blueteapot

    the clip of Obama shouting “Don’t tell me words don’t matter” – End it with the clip of Obama saying “Just words?”.

  • Wintergreen

    It was worth firing a warning shot like they did–because it was definitely scripted and seemed malicious to the crowd–but he left himself enough wiggle room on this one to get out.

    They really need to just let this one go now.

  • Elegba

    While it’s a pretty good ad, there are two things I feel I have to point out.

    1) Giving Hillary the finger isn’t sexism.
    2) McCain used the lipstick on a pig phrase too.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    I checked Wonkette, Huffington and a few blogs by liberal women…nothing yet. I havent checked any Hillary/PUMA sites. That’s what will give this remark legs.

    I don’t think it that big of a deal. And I never want Sarah to play hte victim card. But if this just pisses off the PUMAs a little more, than great.

  • Moe_Lane

    …into a story that’ll be at the top of this morning’s news cycle.

  • Raven

    Instead of using an announcer to ask those questions, interpose Obama’s “Don’t tell me words don’t matter!” line.
    Then have only 1 line not in Obama’s own words and that’s that last question: Is Obama really THIS inexperienced, or is there something else going on here?

  • Martin_A_Knight

    You Lefties really need to learn the use of logic.

  • ezbym

    I think he does this a lot when saying stupid or sexist things. He put his fingers on his face when he made comment about hillary. Someone should check out all his videos and see if it is true

  • Wintergreen

    What did he do this morning?

    P.S. What I am saying is this is like crying wolf. If you do it for something he has wiggle room on, it will weaken the bite of your response for real attacks later…which I’m sure there will be. This was worth a warning shot and nothing else. It could backfire if they pursue this stupidly.

  • Elegba

    Both candidates were referring to the plans of their opponents when they spoke; obviously, either both comments are sexist or neither. You can’t have it both ways.

  • John_Wayne

    But the question still is stuck in my head, why did he use the lipstick on a pig remark in the first place, and why did the audience react the way they did? The lipstick on a pig phrase is very well known, and should solicit about as much laughter as an old joke that has been greatly over told. It was funny to his audience because they linked it to Sarah Palin whether he meant it that way or not. What is wrong with those ‘enlightened’ Liberals? I thought they would at least appreciate there being a woman in the race. I don’t know what animal represents hypocrisy, but they need to change from their donkey to whatever that animal is.

  • Maggie_in_Indiana

    so the lib women will have to pick it up’it’s a shot in the arm for their cause.

  • Maggie_in_Indiana

    Fred Thompson is in Fairfax Va. speaking at a McCain/Palin rally and he’s got the crowd fired up. Fox cut off but I’d love to hear Palin’s response live,before the MSM gets ahold of it.

  • John_Wayne

    About Obama?s recent remarks:
    He basically said the lipstick on a pig thing was a made up controversy so McCain/Palin would not have to address the issues. I may have missed it, but I heard no hint of an apology for making a statement that was misunderstood. I think they probably should let it go. But, I can not help seeing the issue this way:

    Obama is described by his supporters as being very articulate. One tenant of being articulate is being able to get your point across…your audience understands what you mean. So why did his audience laugh so enthusiastically at the worn out pig/lipstick phrase? It really isn’t very funny anymore unless it is linked somehow (maybe subconsciously) to an issue (or possibly a woman in this case) that you oppose.

  • VolunteerPride

    the elation, cheering, laughter shows the character of his supporters..THEY thought it was Palin (a pig) and McCain, the old sailor, (a smelly , old fish).It shows as much about the supporters as one could ever wish to know….sexist,age taunting….

  • John_Wayne

    About Obama?s recent remarks:
    He basically said the lipstick on a pig thing was a made up controversy so McCain/Palin would not have to address the issues. I may have missed it, but I heard no hint of an apology for making a statement that was misunderstood. I think they probably should let it go. But, one more way I see this:

    Obama is described by his supporters as being very articulate. One tenant of being articulate is being able to get your point across…your audience understands what you mean. So why did his audience laugh so enthusiastically at the worn out pig/lipstick phrase? It really isn’t very funny anymore unless it is linked somehow (maybe subconsciously) to an issue (or possibly a woman in this case) that you are opposed to.

  • Wintergreen

    I think it was a scripted insult that they had a ready-made defense for.

    However, there are hills worth fighting to the death on and this isn’t one of them.

    It just wasn’t clear-cut enough, and I really do think this could backfire.

  • Wintergreen

    The guy is weak on the issues because his plans make no sense.

    Have an ad that tallies up all the new spending he is advocating, shows our national debt, and then points out that he can’t cut peoples taxes and even come close to making ends meet.

    It could end by asking if you are required to take math to go to Harvard.

    “If Obama isn’t going to raise taxes on your family, then how on Earth does he think he’s going to pay for all these wild promises?”

  • spainishirish

    I once thought Obama was merely so green and inexperienced, vs. “dumb” or “chowderhead,” that he bungled because he was new to the game. That may account for much of it, but my girlfriend suggested something that makes tremendous sense to me. Here’s a man raised by his mother and grandmother, who married a wife who is castrating. He has been dominated by women so much that he has a problem with them and those who aren’t in his immediate circle receive that suppressed anger. I know it is pop psychology but I agree it makes tremendous sense.

    I can’t wait to see how he tries to lie out of this one.

  • ColbyS

    It was a display of stupidly poor judgement on Obama’s part. We don’t need to make a big deal about this though, particularly when I think it’s pretty obvious that his intentions were not overtly sexist. The fact that certain Red Team commentators are lapping this up makes them seem deperate and grasping at straws for something/anything to cause the slightest damage to Obama.

    We don’t NEED misleading tripe like this to win. I hate this side of politics and it’s not what’s best for America.

    Obama is an 11 out of 10 on the liberal scale and an inexperienced windbag. His policy platforms would be horrible for the US and world at large. He has chosen an unaccomplished blowhard as a running mate. That is enough, we don’t need to dig this deep for mud to sling.

  • septembergurl

    remarks in Virginia today. He was back in serious, concerned, thoughtful Prof. Obama mode. He explained what he said and the crowd laughed in a subdued, is-it-okay-to-laugh? way, very different from the raucous, oh-no-he-didn’t crowd last night.

    Turns out this whole thing is the media’s fault. This whole conversation isn’t helping Michelle’s kids!

  • Strelnikov

    The more I look at the “coincidences” with the “lipstick” comments, the more I believe it is all premeditated.

    Except that the Big Brobama cannot properly pull of a wink-wink-nudge-nudge moment, because he is scared.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Just asking. Chowderhead is usually a pejoritive used for yankees usually of the New England variety.

  • Wintergreen

    a playful word that had less sting than “dumbass.”

  • streetwise

    nt

  • Darin_H

    Moe used too many big words for you.

    Please show us where Hillary Clinton used the term “lipstick” and how it was closely associated with her less than 2 weeks before McCain used that phrase.

    k, Thanks.

  • John_Wayne

    I think that one of the biggest obstacles Obama faces is the very nature of many of his supporters. I believe the people that laughed enthusiastically at his pig/lipstick remarks are a fair representation of his supporters. It occurs to me that when such things are shown to the general population, fair minded and good-hearted folks will not want to be identified with a group like Obama’s supporters. Most people want to consider themselves as being nice, and Obama’s supporters just don’t come off as being very nice most of the time, and I often see down right meanness in them.

  • Wintergreen

    which I’m not sure we were, Obama’s campaign is just going to have to understand that given that his followers have attacked her daughter, her son, her motherhood, and her religion, calling her a pig with a not-so-disguised jab didn’t seem out of the ordinary for them.

  • BlowFish

    Some of you may have — I’m assuming you guys have heard this, watching the news. I’m talking about John McCain’s economic politics, I say, “This is more of the same, you can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig.”

    And suddenly they say, “Oh, you must be talking about the governor of Alaska.”

    [Laughter from audience]

    See it would be funny, it would be funny except — of course the news media all decided that that was the lead story yesterday. They’d much rather have the story — this is the McCain campaign — would much rather have the story about phony and foolish diversions than about the future.

    This happens every election cycle. Every four years. This is what we do. We’ve got an energy crisis. We have an education system that is not working for too many of our children and making us less competitive. We have an economy that is creating hardship for families all across America. We’ve got two wars going on, veterans coming home not being cared for — and this is what they want to talk about! this is what they want to spend two of the last 55 days talking about.

    You know who ends up losing at the end of the day? It’s not the Democratic candidate, It’s not the republican candidate. It’s you, the American people. because then we go another year or another four years or another eight years without addressing the issues that matter to you. Enough.

    I don’t care what they say about me, but I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift-boat politics. Enough is enough.

    And how about McCain’s incredibly sleazy “Sex-Ed” ad? It make the Willie Horton people look like amateurs. Beyond disgusting.

  • Spartan4Life

    This is really good stuff. Hope it gets out to the wider media. It reinforces the picture of Obama as an empty suit. He has now plaigarized Tom Toles, Boone Pickens, and Duval Patrick, and, I’m sure, many others.

    Glenn Beck played this AM some tape from Obama’s interview with Olbermann. Mad Keith suggested that the highlight from his Denver speech was when he angrily spewed, “ENOUGH!”, and asked if he would be using this more on the stump to emphasize how angry he is. Sure enough, right on cue, Obama used it this AM in his tepid feigned indignation at the response to his pig gaffe, LOL.

    Everybody other than the angry left got this figured out yet? Can you say
    P-H-O-N-E-Y?

  • VolunteerPride

    Call for Obama to repudiate his SW Virginia supporters. Demand that he APOLOGIZE for their reaction to his comments, etc

  • Swamp_Yankee

    HaHa. Now he’s blaming the media. They are not going to like that. Be careful Bambi, you wouldnt be there without them. Loving Drudge today.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Then you shouldnt have marketed a radical liberal as a transcendent centrist.

  • Spartan4Life

    With that strong response. I am getting tingles up my leg.

    I am sure our enemies are really getting worried about having to face off with angry Barry. Whaaaahhhhhh!

  • Rod_Patrick

    That’s interesting.

  • rstreu

    raven and blue…

    Now all we need is somebody with an editor.

  • Moe_Lane

    But it’s out, and thanks largely to Senator Obama, it’s no longer just the Internet.

    Nice that he’s this predictable.

  • Spartan4Life

    With that strong response. I am getting tingles up my leg.

    I am sure our enemies are really getting worried about having to face off with angry Barry. Whaaaahhhhhh!

  • Spartan4Life

    With that strong response. I am getting tingles up my leg.

    I am sure our enemies are really getting worried about having to face off with angry Barry. Whaaaahhhhhh!

  • Martin_A_Knight

    Barack Obama, like most Democrats, has always put the needs of the Teachers’ Unions over the education of children even while sending their children to private schools.

    The Sex-Ed for Kindergartners boondoggle Obama voted for is just another way to get more dues money in Teachers’ Union coffers that they then re-direct into Democratic re-election campaigns.

  • BlowFish

    The program is to teach kids about child molestors and improper touching.

    I guess we can now assume McCain supports child molesting?

    McCain crossed the line with this ad, and I think he is going to pay for it dearly.

  • Moe_Lane

    …I think that they’re counting on us believing that the average Obama rally attendee is sufficiently idiotic so as to take the lipstick remark as an attack on Palin – hence, the laughter.

    Cynical of them. :)

  • MrMosis

    The fact that this point is getting lost in the frenzy is aggravating. It is the AUDIENCE. The key here is the Obama supporters. Who cares exactly what his thoughts were when he made the remarks? It’s a lose-lose-lose for him no matter what.

    What cinches the deal is the reaction of the audience. If Obama should be mad at anyone for misconstruing his remarks, it is his supporters at the event. And that is all the average, non-politically inclined but still-wants-to-vote American needs to see. We all already know something about his supporters. We’ve been to Daily Kos.

    And lastly, I am not even addressing whether or not the McCain campaign response was too much or not, because I haven’t seen enough to know yet. I haven’t seen the response ad, nor have I gathered how the general population and the media have responded to it. It’s got to play out more before I decide- one thing I would like to think is that the McCain campaign put some thought into it. And didn’t just whip out the ad based on a gut feeling.

  • Moe_Lane

    By the way: trying the ‘child molestation’ line just makes you look like a dork. You want to get banned, I suggest to go with going after the Jews. Always reliable, and will give you valuable blogcred among the rest of the Online Left.

  • c17wife

    it sure as heck will be today.

    I give you the beginning of the dem implosion-

    Introducing Joe Biden as “one of the foremost experts in foreign affairs in the country” in St. Louis just now, my colleague Victoria McGrane reports, Rep. Russ Carnahan also took a swipe at Palin.

    ?For all his tough talk [McCain] buckled to the right wing of his party in his choice. Picked someone with zero experience in national government, zero experience in foreign affairs. There?s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,” he said.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/CarnahanTheresnowayyoucandressupthatrecordevenwithalotof_lipstick.html?showall

    And here I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    I think that this is going to gain some traction psychologically. Although the McCain camp tried, up until now, no one could connect the dots of sexism directly at Obama or democrats in office. It was all connected to the media, bloggers, etc…
    But now you have a gaffe from Barack viral on the internet, a rapid response ad in retaliation, and an idiot democrat from Missouri dumping gasoline on the fire.

    I’d say the countdown has begun.
    10, 9, 8, 7, 6…….

  • Maggie_in_Indiana

    of exactly what the bill stated and how it WAS implemented in the schools? ummmm?

  • Martin_A_Knight

    What about the other parts of the programme – why is it called a “Comprehensive Sex Education“?

    Liberals are not exactly unknown for being squeamish about getting rather explicit fare into schools.

    I guess we can now assume McCain supports child molesting?

    Please do tell your “Organizer” to run with this. I’d love to see how it goes over.

  • John_Wayne

    Could you imagine the responce from the left had the shoe been on the other foot? What if Obama had chosen Hillary, or maybe a really unattractive woman (it would have been worse if Sarah Palin were unattractive, if you think about it), and McCain had used the pig/lipstick phrases? I don’t think McCain would have ever heard the end of it. I do believe McCain should let this one blow over now, it has gotten enough play.

  • MikeO

    Please start reading at line 13, and explain to me why five-year-olds need to be instructed on “… the prevention of sexually transmitted infections…”

    How can the same people advocating adulthood without responsibilities be so quick to rob childhood of its innocence?

    The only line Senator McCain has crossed here is the tripwire in your depraved mind that triggers knee-jerk offense at being called on your degeneracy.

  • Strelnikov

    on the collar of Big Brobama: about an hour ago I wrote that the odds of all this being a coincidence were going down.

    Thanks for more evidence showing this is not a coincidence, with Dem after Dem using the same refrain: they must think it is the best agitprop slogan, either because of absolute stupidity or a deliberate willfulness not to see how they are shooting themselves in the hoof.

  • Martin_A_Knight

    First of all, I love this suggestion from Ace reader MamaAJ:

    Gov. Palin tomorrow:

    (Steps up to the microphone.)

    (Starts to speak, then stops and reaches down and picks up something small.)

    (She is now applying lipstick in front of this huge crowd that is laughing and cheering.)

    (After a few minutes, the cheering dies down and she begins to speak.)

    “Oink.”

    (The crowd roars anew…)

    Here’s my addition to that.

    Afterwards she should say that she’s absolutely certain that Obama didn’t mean to call her a pig … and then join him in condemning the media.

    It’s a win-win-win. She gets to be magnanimous and charitable toward an opponent (swing voters would love that), show her concern with the issues (swing voters again) and pound on the media at the same time (and that’ll be for us ‘wingers).

  • BlowFish

    So seriously, you thought that Obama and the Evil Democrats actually were going to talk about condoms to 5 year olds? Really? Did you really think that?

    Sec. 3. Comprehensive Health Education Program.
    23 (a) The program established under this Act shall
    24 include, but not be limited to, the following major
    25 educational areas as a basis for curricula in all elementary
    26 and secondary schools in this State: human ecology and
    27 health, human growth and development, the emotional,
    28 psychological, physiological, hygienic and social
    29 responsibilities of family life, including sexual abstinence
    30 and prevention of unintended pregnancy until marriage,
    31 prevention and control of disease, including age appropriate
    32 instruction in grades K 6 through 12 on the prevention of
    33 sexually transmitted infections    , including the prevention,

    John McCain, then:

    “We’re not going to do anything dishonorable. But we are going to try to win.”

    John McCain, now:

    “Obama wants to teach your 5 year old about SEX! Boooooo! Scary!”

  • Raven

    They want to Destroy Obama and everything he stands for.
    And considering what it is that he stands for, I can’t blame them.

    I just personally believe that history has shown that the things Obama stands for destroy themselves in time and all we have to do is defeat them.

  • rstreu

    about sexually transmitted diseases would be….?

  • Raven

    He didn’t know the guy and it’s a fact that someone may not have mentioned to him. He recovered well, I think (though he should have stopped short of the “You can tell I’m new here,” remark).

  • MikeO

    “Age appropriate” means something to me, but I have no reason to trust the judgment or good faith of you and your kind.

  • Moe_Lane

    Oh, and do it without any hint of condescending, sarcasm, or implied moral superiority. You’ve become boring in that regard.

  • Achance

    Does anyone know the origin of the phrase, how it got into the political lexicon?

    I don’t know, but I have a good ear for quips that stick and I know that the first time I recall that I heard the phrase used was from a DC based AFSCME representative back in 2003.

    The State of Alaska was in bargaining with AFSCME, which represented our largest group of employees. They had heavily backed the Democrat and stalled bargaining until after the election. Well, that didn’t work out since we Republicans won and instead of facing a nice friendly Democrat, they were sitting across the table from their worst nightmare – me.

    They knew they were in no position to fight and it would make us happy for them to go out and pound their chests and threaten to strike or even go on strike. So, the AFSCME Rep had to suck it in and take our deal but he needed to tell his members that he’d gotten them something.

    He asked me to meet privately and said he knew he had to take the pig but couldn’t I help him put some lipstick on it or somehow dress up the pig for him. I noted then that it was a very apt way to describe what you do in bargaining when one side has to just take what’s on the table; you try to give them something to maintain their dignity so they’ll just go away and leave you alone until the next contract cycle.

    BTW, for my whole time in charge I kept a motorized Flying Pig hanging over the table in my conference room and my response to lots of demands or questions was to just stand up and switch on the pig.

  • E_Pluribus_Unum

    the other part is pretty much on track, though. I await, as do we all, your answer to rstreu.

  • twylla

    you were very good at quoting Obamas reply, however with your lack of defense of your stance one can only assume that you changed the subject for a reason. Dems can scream all they want and Obama can continue the same sleezy remarks and then turn around and blame it on everyone else except for the person whos mouth it came out of. This is not the first time pig and lipstick came together…CNN said it earlier this week, and the guy looked right at the camera and said”did I just call Palin a pig, ” then they went to commercial. The fact of the matter is the only thing stinking here is Obama, even his intials give him away…B.O. As far as the economy goes we have no one else to blame but ourselves for overspending and electing government officals who like to over spend. Sex ed in kindergarten…I as a responsible parent told my children about good and bad touches I sure as heck dont need liberal teachers telling my girls. But you see the thing is that Dems pretend to care about the issue to slide in their real agenda of teaching my child about their liberal ideas of sex and used it as an in of CHILD ABUSE! How sick is that? On drilling, OPEC proved yet again yesterday why we should be drilling. It is the Dems and Obama who ” dont get it.” Health care…insurance companies are given a bill for 100.00 for a doctors visist and send 25.00 to the doctor, fair? You want that to be universal? What do you people use for brains? Saying…”John McCain could not give the defintion of Honor,” and he was not honorable! What to do consider honorable…standing in line for an abortion? Calling women pigs? Using helpless humans born with disabilities as a reson for stem cell research? Comparing Decorated Vets to a stinky fish? Making fun of someone having to many tables and homes when Obamas biggest supporter is Oprah? Taxing bigger companies so hard with higher taxes that they are fleeing this country and to lost of jobs and and hungry children? Obama said yesterday that the unemployment rate was at it highest, and it needed to get back to its lowest under Clinton…man do some research it was lowest until GERGE W. BUSH… look it up!Let us get back to the facts! Obama is a jr. senator with no experience to run or be President of the United States… he said that in his own words…I wont be ready to the Presidency in ’08″ His mouth will see to it. He wants to take God out of peoples lives and makes fun of them for clinging to their religion and he calls himself a christian? He wants to disarm little towns from their guns…I have to PAY if I want mail…we dont get postal delivery so to get mail I have to buy a po box every year! How about given every American the right of free mail? No he just wants our guns that we hunt with and then eat the meat! Is he going to replace that with something else, yes, having no limits on abortion. He cares more about our guns and hunting than he does about HUMAN life! He is able to run for President because of what Abrahm Lincoln did… a Repulican. His campaign said the white politician gave black men aides and syphilis, he called Bill and Hillary Clinton racist, he offended every women by guestioning their abililty to work and raise a family, every soldier by voting against the equipment needed in the war, and by calling McCain unhonorable, every Christian by making fun of our relationship to the maker of the universe, and finally every white man because of his remarks on conspiracy therories. Obama is a twisted minded man, amd he is the one who just doesnt get it!

  • Raven

    “Shall include but not be limited to…”

  • Raven

    Nor will he nor does he need to. The Media, Obama, Biden and the rest of the Dems will do it for him.

    He’s playing them like a fiddle…

  • Raven

    It seems like a giant political Aquare Dance with McCain as the Caller, or whatever the correct title is for the guy who calls the steps.

    This ad was just another “Allemande Left!”

  • BlowFish

    Your post title tell the story on McCain’s “Honorable” campaign.

    Maybe “Sleazy, but with Honor” can be the next ad theme.

  • Moe_Lane

    The right answer was to answer the question of what, precisely, was age-appropriate education on STDs for kindergartners.

    Feel free to email the Directors when you’re ready to do as a site moderator tells you, though.

  • ehosterman

    but then there was this:

    Lipstick on Pig Democratic website page

  • pointguard

    What would Jesus do?

  • pointguard

    What would Jesus do?

  • Moe_Lane

    So this is me pulling on your leash. Heel.

    Do you understand? Yes or no answer only, and next post, please.

  • pointguard

    Sorry for the double post. I swear I only clicked it twice!

  • Moe_Lane

    Well, it’s been an interesting two weeks.

    Tell you what: I’ll answer your question, then. Generally speaking, what Jesus would do in this situation would be not to get involved in politics in the first place. It’s a free will thing.

  • Martin_A_Knight

    Anyway, I think we should put this to rest.

    Republicans are not wired to play victim like Democrats and it seems that Palin (like a real Republican) is going to brush the entire thing off like the inconsequentiality it is; Obama being Obama.

  • The_Gadfly

    Fox edited the clip pretty closely, and apparently the YouTube link has been taken down so I haven’t seen the crowd reaction. Based on what I saw on Fox, I was going to say Obama was probably using the DC phrase in its typical context. I was going to follow that with that I still think it was a smart move by McCain to run the ad the way they did because it establishes that McCain and Palin now also have a non-rebuttable line of attack just like Obama is accustomed to pulling, and that he’d better keep the racists cracks out of his talks of McCain would using the whithering fire of sexism against Obama.

    Based on what I’m reading here I think I’m going to revise that a bit. I missed the connection of Navy-sailor-fish, and I’m going to trust the posts about the audience reaction. Which means that it wasn’t an unfortunate gaffe on the part of Obama, it was intentional, with a plan to have plausible deniability. And the only thing that fails more than being caught in a lie, is being caught in a lie with you plausible deniability hanging in the wind for all to see it isn’t. That won’t play well with soccer moms, hockey moms, Walmart moms, rednecks, or blue collar beer drinkers. The feminists of course are going to say Palin deserves it because she isn’t one of them and doesn’t deserve to be a woman, which will infuriate the same group all over. What’s more, it is the sort of image that will stick in the average voter’s mind. Charts and tables about deficits, GDP, etc may be more important to us wonk wannabes, but they tend to put Joe or Josephine Average to sleep. Gratuitously insulting a woman and then not owning up to and apologizing won’t be forgotten.

    From a campaign strategy standpoint, McCain should keep throwing these kinds of jabs occasionally. When one of them hits Obama, he is knocked completely off balance and off message. McCain needs to keep up the regular policy based attacks as well, but he has a significant advantage there: McCain can do both, Obama clearly can’t. McCain also has chosen a VP who can carry the attack against Obama, while Obama has chosen a VP who is more likely to immolate himself than direct fire at McCain.

  • Jack_Savage

    Is about thirty miles due south of Grundy, VA, the site of George Allen’s overblown “macaca” comment, if memory serves.

  • pointguard

    It seems like this gaffe by Obama will be negated by the response of McCain. The MSM is giving McCain just as much criticism for his response as they gave to Obama for the gaffe.

  • kevinforrester

    and he knew they knew.

  • MrMosis

    That is the crux of this story. If they (the audience) understood it that way, why the heck shouldn’t the rest of us?

    That is all.

  • Elegba

    As in “do’h!”

    Easy as it is to drop into insults – as you and Mark have both demonstrated – my point remains. While Obama was discussing the plans of his opponents, which include a woman who has recently become associated with lipstick, making it an easy leap of logic that he was referring to Palin, McCain was answering a direct question about Clinton. If anything, the association between his lipstick pig and Clinton was clearer – although it’s obvious that everyone got the association in both cases.

    So here’s the point: You can’t pretend that one man was being sexist and the other not.

    As it happens, I think that yes, they were being sexist, albeit probably not intentionally. It’s a sexist phrase in common use. Everyone knows the phrase, and might even use it from time to time – it’s still sexist.

    It’s just unfortunate for Obama that when he used it, he left himself open for a swipe from the McCain campaign.

  • Martin_A_Knight

    McCain – referring to Hillary Clinton’s Universal Health Care plan as nothing more than a dressed up rehash of her previous attempt in 1993 – the “pig.” Her new attempts to sell it in her campaign for the nomination is the “lipstick.“

    Obama – according to him (on Letterman), he was just saying that Palin herself was the “lipstick” on the “pig” that is McCain’s agenda – which supposedly is identical to George Bush’s. Not really that much better in my opinion.

    Obama’s claque in VA – “Pig” = Palin. Not even the most devoted of Obama’s worshippers can deny that Palin’s “lipstick” riff at the Convention identified her politically with the word (the pitbull with lipstick) – that’s why Obama’s crowd cheered.

    Try as you might to push your fallacious equivalence, there’s absolutely no question about what McCain was referring to – neither the pig nor the lipstick were a direct reference to Clinton as a person.

    Obama? Not quite so much. The timing and reaction of his jab raises the question of not just “what“, but “who?” At least now he’s admitting that the “lipstick” was a reference to Palin. But his crowd clearly thought Palin was the “pig“.

    So here’s the point: You can’t pretend that one man was being sexist and the other not.

    In this case, we certainly can. I doubt the McCain-Palin would spend that much effort doing so. But they certainly can.