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Biden to Pennsylvania: No Coal for You!

Why aren't you cc'ing him on stuff, Barry? [UPDATED]

[UPDATE below the fold.] OK, maybe Biden really doesn’t keep up with his own campaign’s positions, emails, videos, and just about everything else. It sounds insane, but then, so did this:


“We’re not supporting ‘clean coal.’ Guess what. China’s building two every week. Two dirty coal plants. And it’s polluting the United States. It’s causing people to die. … China is burning three hundred years of bad coal unless we figure out how to clean their coal up. Because it’s going to ruin your lungs and there’s nothing we can do about it. No coal plants here in America. Build them, if they’re going to build them over there make ‘em clean because they’re killing you.”

As the Weekly Standard notes (transcript above via them, too), Obama’s all about Clean Coal, mostly because he’d like to win Pennsylvania. It remains to be seen whether Biden does, too.

Moe Lane

[UPDATE]: If I had any sympathy for anybody in the Obama campaign, it’d be reserved for David Wade, who clearly got stuck with “clean up after Joe Biden duty” today.

And yes, McCain’s picked up on this already:

Barack Obama is actually on record supporting the expansion of such technologies, but Biden’s words are prompting Republicans to lick their lips about the potential resonance of the issue in key coal states such as Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Colorado.

To drive the issue, they’re circulating the above video, will hold a conference call later today with a coalition of elected officials, coal miners and executives from such states, stage local media events on the matter later in the week and likely cut an ad targeted at relevant markets.

It’s also part of his stump speech, at least for today. Thank you, Joe Biden!

COMMENTS

  • BuckeyesforMcCainPalin

    Then they deserve to lose the election.

    This is PERFECT. Run an ad about this in the western half of the state and Obama’s numbers will drop a few percentage points.

    I knew Biden would deliver us a gaffe that could change the game.

  • BuckeyesforMcCainPalin

    this is the equivalent to going to Michigan and saying, no automobile plants here in America.

    How stupid could they be?

    Joe Biden is the gift that keeps giving, and now, he may have totally wrecked his own campaign. Hilarious!

  • DavidSage

    I can see this video hurting Obama among people in the coal industry and coal miners, but what about people who aren’t in those industries?

    I’m guessing coal power plants aren’t exactly a political winner with your average voter. McCain should be careful about promoting this gaffe too much.

    I personally would like to see no new coal plants being built, only nuclear, and I’m hardly an environmentalist.

  • Uma_Richie

    It’s not just what Sen Biden said, but how harshly he said it, and how it contrasts with his phony coal cracker heritage stories.

    BTW, the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre media market is still a mining area too despite all of Gov. Rendell’s efforts to the contrary. But that’s a story for another day.

  • BuckeyesforMcCainPalin

    are probably not going to be voting for McCain.

    Most people realize that coal is a necessary part of our energy scheme.

  • PaRep
  • Uma_Richie

    in those parts of the state are on unemployment or welfare and wish the mines would reopen. The people who have jobs face a huge tax burden to keep the schools open, municipal services running, etc. For example, my parents’ home (coal town) is valued at 20% of the value of my house (southern PA). Their property taxes are 85% of my property taxes.

    Add to that a good population of coal region expatriates who can’t live near our families because our home towns are economically depressed. Many of the towns are literally in shambles. We’re always rooting for a coal comeback.

    Besides. what do you have against clean coal?

  • PaRep

    [If Bill Clinton is campaigning for Obama/Biden, I would love to see him campaigning against them LOL!

    http://tinyurl.com/44a7ea

  • Swamp_Yankee

    But Biden Is From Scranton! n/t

  • The_Gadfly

    Personally I have no problems with nuclear (and I lived within 30 miles of TMI when the accident happened), but because its “danger” is invisible, people fear it more than coal, where you can “see” the problem. I haven’t checked into how clean coal plants are recently, but I know they’ve cleaned them up considerably since the photos the environmentalists use to scare everybody were taken.

    Coal and nuclear should both be part of the diverse energy production scheme we use in the US. I think a significant part of our problem is that, to use the envirolanguage, we have a single species microhabitat for our energy production. When something bad happens to it, it shakes the whole system. We’d be far better off with a diverse system (coal, oil, natural gas, hydro, and green* in equal parts) where a shock to one part of the system doesn’t paralyze the whole thing. Granted I’m only thinking about the electrical in this context, but at the moment, coal doesn’t fuel our cars.

    *green meaning a combination of the wind, solar, geothermal and whatever other buzz tech they are focused on this week.

  • Dan_McLaughlin

    Maybe it’s just me, but have you ever seen a candidate put his hands around a voter’s neck before?

  • PaRep
  • Moe_Lane

    I mean, my knee twitched.

  • bk
  • BuckeyesforMcCainPalin

    Biden’s just like that.

  • janis

    have been VERY tempted to grab that irritating finger in the face and snap it like a twig.

  • DavidSage

    I hope coal is as important politically to Pennsylvania as some posters here say it is, but most people outside of the industry don’t like the idea of burning coal to make electricity. Even “clean-coal” technology has drawbacks (like the waste), and it’s still not as clean as other proven technologies, like nuclear or natural gas.

    I’m guessing if you ask the average voter if they want more coal-powered plants, 80% of people would say no. The other 20% either work or have family that works in the coal industry.

    I understand the role coal plays in our energy grid, but it’s not the energy of the future, and I wouldn’t want to be a candidate associated with promoting coal.

    If it works for McCain in Pennsylvania great, but I’m not sure it would be politically smart for McCain to become the “Coal Candidate” for the rest of the 49 states.

  • Moe_Lane

    It’s a “most people never get even one chance to knee a politician in the groin; it’s insane to think that I’ll get two” reflex.

  • streiff

    has drawbacks, too. Just my opinion.

  • DavidSage

    We have numerous ways to generate electricity, we don’t have to rely on coal, and we’re one of the few countries that still uses coal to make up a significant part of our energy.

    I understand we need to keep existing coal plants running until a transition is made, but most countries are moving away from coal. Toxic waste and fumes are still generated by coal, like mercury, and it creates tons and tons of waste. Not to mention the extraction of coal itself is also dangerous.

    My intention is to debate the politics of coal, not the technology itself. People instantly think “dirty” when they think of coal, because it large part it is dirty. I think global warming is a crock, and that the environmental movement in general is just a smokescreen for back-door socialism. That being said, I’m against coal as future technology to generate electricity. When I see the video of Biden, I actually agree with what he’s saying, and I think his view is actually in the majority outside of coal-producing states.

    McCain promoting coal is not going to help him in states outside of Pennsylvania and West Virginia, and will probably hurt him in other states because of the negative stigma.

    If McCain can play this gaffe to the right audience, fantastic, but “more coal power plants” is not a position you want front and center in a nation-wide campaign.

  • NightTwister

  • NightTwister

    Not only is clean coal a cheap and clean source of energy, we can now get liquefy coal into other fuels (diesel, gasoline, etc.).

    The McCain camp needs to promote this. We need the jobs and revenue here in Colorado (as do other states) that will be created by aggressively going after clean coal solutions.

    The people in battleground states like Colorado are watching and listening.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    nt

  • BigGator5

    The McCain campaign should list Biden as an offical spokesman.

  • in_awe

    In 1917 Upton Sinclair penned an expose of the coal industry titled “King Coal”. Since that time anti-coal activists and unions have used “King Coal” as a derisive term for the industry.

    I think Biden as an old time liberal actually said “King Coal” rather than “Clean Coal” which any self-respecting liberal should be embracing.

    BTW, the coal used in China is a much lower grade than American coal. It has a lower energey yield and much higher pollution content.

  • in_awe

    In 1917 Upton Sinclair penned an expose of the coal industry titled “King Coal”. Since that time anti-coal activists and unions have used “King Coal” as a derisive term for the industry.

    I think Biden as an old time liberal actually said “King Coal” rather than “Clean Coal” which any self-respecting liberal should be embracing.

    BTW, the coal used in China is a much lower grade than American coal. It has a lower energey yield and much higher pollution content.

  • in_awe

    In 1917 Upton Sinclair penned an expose of the coal industry titled “King Coal”. Since that time anti-coal activists and unions have used “King Coal” as a derisive term for the industry.

    I think Biden as an old time liberal actually said “King Coal” rather than “Clean Coal” which any self-respecting liberal should be embracing.

    BTW, the coal used in China is a much lower grade than American coal. It has a lower energey yield and much higher pollution content.

  • Uma_Richie

    I watched the clip again with your comments in mind and heard the “King.” If that’s all the fuss were about, the Obama camp could smooth this over, but Sen. Biden went on to say that he wanted no more domestic coal plants of any type built and that we should coerce China to build clean coal plants. That does not fit into a much-needed “all of the above” energy independence program.

    Second, Sen. Biden has been touting his coal-region roots since his nomination. His criticism of coal as a dirty energy source drives home what a two-faced phony he is.

    Third, for salon liberals and long dead union bosses, “King Coal” may be a derogatory term. For people whose great-grandfathers came to America specifically to work in the mines, “King Coal” is the nostalgic victim of “Sheikh Oil.”

  • paint_it_red

    McCain’s approach makes sense and all of the above means there is not a mutually exclusive choice between coal and nuclear power.

  • PaRep
  • paint_it_red

    I fully expect PA to go our way if we play this one right.

    Might not be a bad idea to put together an ad with a montage of Obama and Biden’s statements against various forms of energy sources including coal, as well as nuclear power (Obama), offshore drilling (Obama), and increased domestic drilling (Obama).

  • Mary_Contrary

    I think Biden was actually in Ohio when he got in the face of that young lady.

    1) Biden would probably have had a totally different perspective if he had been across the State line into Pennsylvania.

    2) When Obama said to get in peoples’ faces, I didn’t suppose he was talking to Biden.

  • dld1717

    I already saw that in OH Republicans gathered quickly and the same in WV and PA

    This may the thing that can push McCain up another 1 or 2 pts in OH and PA and that can be difference for a win

  • dld1717

    I am actually shocked at just how arrogant he came off in this video and the fact he as a male put his hands around a female in that manner is repugnant to me

    Where the heck are all these so called feminists today? Imagine if a Republican male put his hands on a female in this manner the media attention it would be getting