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The “Joe Biden [Bleep] The World!” Mid-week Speculative Open Thread.

He has all day to come up with something *good*.

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  September 24th, 2008 at 01:40 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

He’s going to need it: he’s got Nader talking about dressing up in a panda suit and looking for love (I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP), which is going to be hard to top. Anybody else, I’d say “impossible”… but it’s Joe Biden. I mean, last night he went out there and told a bunch of trial lawyers that McCain didn’t share their values (I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP, EITHER):

“He has never, never, never, never, never, never, never shared the values set that you share,” Biden said. “He’s an honorable, decent man, but John McCain truly believes, truly believes that you are corporate America’s problem,” he said to the trial lawyers. “And thank God you are.”

Biden said that he’s “done more than any other senator combined” for trial lawyers.

…so I like his chances.

Feel free to speculate yourself on what will be on Joe’s mind today. And on how long it’ll take for us to get the correction, explanation, retraction, or ritual suicide by whoever got stuck with the job of riding herd on Joe’s mind today.

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  • QueenOfCups

    And calling things what they really are. Especially if the congress beats feet Friday and goes home to campaign.

  • Nick_Haynes

    1.) Obama wants Hillary and is having Biden go out and purposefully put his foot in his mouth on every occasion.

    2.) Biden truly feels that Obama is not the right choice and is truly a patriot by working to lose the election by trying to make Obama truly unelectable.

    3.) Biden’s an idiot.

    1 has a slight probability of happening, but 2 or 3 are more plausible.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Frankly, I have secretly become a “Truist”. That is best defined as one who believes Biden is acting under the cloak of gaffes to provide his true feelings about Obama. His aim? To covertly kill Obama’s bid for the presidency since he;

    • Believes Obama’s candidacy is detrimental to longevity of the Democratic Party

    • Believes Obama’s values and anti-democratic tendencies are at odds with a majority of the electorate

    • Believes as he previously stated Obama does not have sufficient experience

    • Believes that Bananas in Pajamas would be better presidential candidates

  • wiseprince

    I’m not sure I buy that poll (ABCPOST)

  • Moe_Lane

    …when it was McCain by 10, so we’re all just going to have to listen to the crowing until we see whether it’s an outlier{*}. :)

    Partisan identification numbers are going to have their own book when this election is over.

    Moe Lane

    {*}This is not an invitation for Obama astroturfers to pop up here and do that, although God knows that it’d be a refreshing change from the usual badly-concealed misogyny.

  • rebecca1265

    that wash post poll also shows a huge shift again in the party ID question…back to a 10 pt lead.

    mccain needs another aggressive play, like the palin pick, to again shake up the race.

  • rebecca1265

    Did kerry ever lead Bush by anything approaching 9 pts late in Sept 04? If not, it’s not unrealistic to think the financial crisis has given the election to Obama.

  • PaRep

    NET LEANED PARTY:

    Democrat 54

    Republican 38

    Independent 7

    One simple Question answers the Question who is winning, Answer why would WaPo & other polls put out so obviously biased polls?, Because they know Obama is getting his clock cleaned

  • PaRep

  • PaRep

    ,

  • blooch

    I’m going with #1, with the twist that Michelle is calling the VP shot(many other shots as well)and forbade O to pick ANY woman for VP. No other woman is going to be allowed to take the spotlight off the Diva.

    Obama is either getting cold feet about this President/Diva stuff and made a passive-aggressive Biden pick to take himself out, or he knows he needs Hillary and must make it inevitable despite Michelle’s foot-stamping.

  • Moe_Lane

    Gallup’s was 10 points; WaPo’s was 16.

    Please explicitly note that you messed that up in your next post. Thanks in advance.

  • Moe_Lane

    NT

  • Rod_Patrick

    First the survey period is Sep. 19-22. ABC is making a psycho propaganda that the Obama’s lead last week has continued this week.

    Now on the methodology:

    1. Stratified sampling is here: D38/R28/I29. If you believe in the same, you are also accepting that the Republicans are now the minority and only constitutes slightly above 1/4 of the total voting population.

    2. Of the total 1,082 sample, African Americans were specially alloted of 163 black respondents. That means 14% (90% of 16%)of the votes are fixed for Obama to represent the solid black community voting for Barack.

    3. The calculation of 3.5% SOE is doubtful given the stratified sampling approach. The SOE would have to range from 8-16%.

    Conclusion, ABC poll is erroneous.

  • PaRep

    ,

  • ToddH

    you know, the “gold standard” of polling as you have previously put it. NBC/Mason-Dixon has McCain +3. Still think it is the “gold standard?”

  • Nick_Haynes

    that he’s an idiot. Which also makes sense of the situation.

  • PaRep

    89 All you need to know about this Washington Post poll is that it’s internals are more skewed to Democrats than the Daily Kos poll.

    WaPo: 38% Dems and 28% Republicans (10 points for the Dems)

    Daily Kos: 35% Dems and 26% Republicans (9 points for the Dems)

    You know you’re in trouble when the freaking Daily Kos is closer to reality than the Washington Post.

    38% dem

    28& rep

    29% indy’s who lean 46% dem and 28% rep. Bogus.

    Those numbers tell me “THE CHOSEN ONE” is in DEEP, DEEP KIMCHEEE

    If hre can only get a 9% lead with that biased a poll he is ROADKILL

  • Moe_Lane
  • Rod_Patrick

    We are fighting to prevent that scenario!

  • Marcus_Traianus

    I believe he is mostly a discursive individual. Unable or unwilling to completely abide by scripts, preconditions, sophism and dishonest constructs. That is why Biden commences the beginning of a paragraph or thought speaking well of Obama and badly of McCain. He then often transgresses into his true beliefs which are far more revealing. I call it the “speaking subconscious”.

  • Neil_Stevens
  • entropy

    I’m getting extremely worried about the state of the election. Even if the ABC poll is erroneous, there is no doubt that the momentum has shifted decisively to obama. The financial meltdown is helping him tremendously.

    Moreover, the McCain campaign has been sloppy for the past 2 weeks. They’re not running sharp negative ads, and they seem completely caught off guard by the financial crisis. On the stump, McCain doesn’t seem that compelling. I really hope that the McCain camp gets its act together before it’s too late. A 9 point gap in late September is tough to overcome.

  • PaRep

    Oh MY God Goodbye Cruel World!!http://patriotroom.com/?p=2329

  • azaeroprof

    A couple more points:

    1.I can’t find the 54/38/7 numbers in the WaPo’s pdf of results, but even if you look at their 38/28/29, that still leaves 5% unaccounted for. What gives? And I really don’t believe the -14 for McCain among independents, sounds a little extreme.

    2.According to the US Census Bureau, the black population is 12.8% of the total US population. This would mean that WaPo should have reserved 139 “slots” for blacks, NOT 163. This will skew the poll results by about 2% alone, not including the skewed party representation.

    On a separate note, check out the analysis of the InTrade results today on www.fivethirtyeight.com. They’ve noticed that someone is regularly (like several times a day) buying up McCain shares AND Hillary(!) shares. It may be a kook, but 538 wonders out loud about a danger to Obama. I think the more interesting possibility is that it’s someone close to the Clintons or someone who knows of something extremely damaging to Obama that’s planned to be released at some point. Hmmmm…

  • jimmuy8

    I feel the same way.

    (Even if you are serious, these statements have no basis:
    “there is no doubt that the momentum has shifted decisively to obama”
    –Based on, what, one poll? Shift, maybe. Decisive, no.
    “On the stump, McCain doesn’t seem that compelling.”
    –Why, because the largest crowds of his campaign are there to be bored?
    “A 9 point gap in late September is tough to overcome”
    –Again, one poll.
    No need to go all Negative-Nancy–it may be a bad week but, Obama has yet to do anything to gain votes; while McCain can easily win back any support he has lost.)

  • PaRep
  • bk

    “This is not an invitation for Obama astroturfers to pop up here”

    Reminds me of a story I heard once of a guy going from England to Australia. When he lands and goes through customs, they ask if he’s committed any crimes. He replies, “I didn’t realize that was still required.”

  • MementoMori

    Let’s face it folks, no matter who wins the next election, his influence on the future of our country will be lessened by circumstances beyond his control. The only difference is that McCain will fight a limited war, whereas Obama will hem and haw, a la Neville Chamberlain, until World War III is upon us.

    That said, I confess I now love Joe “Uncle Fester” Biden. He has (unwittedly) added sorely needed humor to what has been a dour and distasteful Democratic campaign.

  • Rod_Patrick
  • PaRep
  • Rod_Patrick

    The following factors
    1. The unaccounted 5%
    2. Over-representation of independents.
    3. Over-representation of the black voters.
    4. Under-estimation of republicans.
    5. The misleading margin of error.
    6. The delayed date of release.
    7. The confusing representation of LVs and RVs.

    are just some of the criticisms that make ABC poll result SO unbelievable!!!!

  • scottbomb

    After all, it was in a primary debate where Biden said Obama was not ready to be president.

    Why McCain hasn’t made a nationwide commercial out of that is beyond me. Every time Biden opens his mouth is an opportunity for McCain to seize the moment!

  • Raven

    They already invited Biden to spend more time with his family and he declined the offer.

    This also brings up the possibility that he’s raised his gaffes/minute ratio on purpose just in spite and/or anger.

    But he isn’t this dumb. Look through his history. He genuinely is not an idiot.

  • alchemist17

    • The dem primaries went right down to the wire with two equally strong (or equally weak) candidates. Ignoring the “party unity” issues, this resulted in a fair number of independents (and even some republicans) becoming “democrats” in order to vote in the primary. This complicates the already difficult issue of party affiliation

    • The two candidates are not as well known to the American people as the partisans on each side would like. Unlike an incumbent, they don’t have four years of decisions to look at and evaluate, so there’s bound to be more uncertainty and volatility. I’ll put it this way – if you saw an Obama ad hammering McCain, would you accept it without reservation?

    • Overall I think the debates are very important this year. There’s the perennial “big gaffe” possibility, but there’s also a non-trivial national introduction aspect. If the viewing public sees McCain being respectful but tough and focusing on the issues, it reduces the impact of the “Liar!” ad approach by the Obama campaign and helps to draw a clear distinction between the two that is sorely needed.

    • I suspect that Obama was forced into the sharply negative approach ahead of schedule given the post-convention slide. It was clearly a tactical success … but it remains to be seen if it results in a sustained strategic advantage.

  • alchemist17

    • The dem primaries went right down to the wire with two equally strong (or equally weak) candidates. Ignoring the “party unity” issues, this resulted in a fair number of independents (and even some republicans) becoming “democrats” in order to vote in the primary. This complicates the already difficult issue of party affiliation

    • The two candidates are not as well known to the American people as the partisans on each side would like. Unlike an incumbent, they don’t have four years of decisions to look at and evaluate, so there’s bound to be more uncertainty and volatility. I’ll put it this way – if you saw an Obama ad hammering McCain, would you accept it without reservation?

    • Overall I think the debates are very important this year. There’s the perennial “big gaffe” possibility, but there’s also a non-trivial national introduction aspect. If the viewing public sees McCain being respectful but tough and focusing on the issues, it reduces the impact of the “Liar!” ad approach by the Obama campaign and helps to draw a clear distinction between the two that is sorely needed.

    • I suspect that Obama was forced into the sharply negative approach ahead of schedule given the post-convention slide. It was clearly a tactical success … but it remains to be seen if it results in a sustained strategic advantage.

  • alchemist17

    • The dem primaries went right down to the wire with two equally strong (or equally weak) candidates. Ignoring the “party unity” issues, this resulted in a fair number of independents (and even some republicans) becoming “democrats” in order to vote in the primary. This complicates the already difficult issue of party affiliation

    • The two candidates are not as well known to the American people as the partisans on each side would like. Unlike an incumbent, they don’t have four years of decisions to look at and evaluate, so there’s bound to be more uncertainty and volatility. I’ll put it this way – if you saw an Obama ad hammering McCain, would you accept it without reservation?

    • Overall I think the debates are very important this year. There’s the perennial “big gaffe” possibility, but there’s also a non-trivial national introduction aspect. If the viewing public sees McCain being respectful but tough and focusing on the issues, it reduces the impact of the “Liar!” ad approach by the Obama campaign and helps to draw a clear distinction between the two that is sorely needed.

    • I suspect that Obama was forced into the sharply negative approach ahead of schedule given the post-convention slide. It was clearly a tactical success … but it remains to be seen if it results in a sustained strategic advantage.

  • Dave_in_Fla

    Might as well just turn off the TV and the Internet and drink ourselves into a 4 year stupor. Why are they even bothering to hold this election, let’s just give it to Obama, k?

  • BuckeyesforMcCainPalin

    I’m not feeling very good today. Tons of polls out basically making me think this is lost at the status quo. ::sigh::

  • neum432

    Sampling too many D’s and D leaning Independants. I do however, believe that McCain has lost the debate to Obama on the economy. They both basically are for regulation and oversight of the markets(corporate creed!) which is a very anti-free market stance. This issue goes to the Democrats. See if Obama can bomb “big time” in the debates and create an opening for McCain to regain momentum.