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Domestic terror against Mormons: white powder sent to temples.

I'd like to thank whoever-it-was for making me look like an idiot for being against Proposition 8.

I was hoping that the hysteria over Proposition 8′s passing would start to abate soon – like GayPatriot, I find the reactions by some of the people who are putatively on my side on this one to be appalling – but apparently now it’s escalating into domestic terrorism.

Choice of words deliberate. Via Cake Or Death?, via Ace of Spades HQ:

LOS ANGELES – Letters containing a suspicious white powder were sent Thursday to Mormon temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City that were the sites of protests against the church’s support of California’s gay marriage ban.

The temple in the Westwood area of Los Angeles was evacuated before a hazardous materials crew determined the envelope’s contents were not toxic, said FBI spokesman Jason Pack.

The temple in downtown Salt Lake City, where the church is based, received a similar envelope containing a white powder that spilled onto a clerk’s hand.


Let me put this in terms that the Left will hopefully understand. This is the functional equivalent of calling in a bomb threat to an abortion clinic. You know how you have all those arguments about why that’s a Bad Thing? The panic that it causes among people who might actually be innocent bystanders; the strain it puts on emergency rescue workers that have to worry that today may be The Day Things Go Wrong; the way it traumatizes, angers, and maybe even radicalizes the people who interact with the people that got targeted… you know, those arguments? Yeah, well, they apply here, too. Trust me: getting same-sex marriage approved in this country is going to be enough of an effort without also having to fight the growing impression that we’re all a bunch of screaming lunatics who resort to terror tactics when we don’t get our way.

So stop doing that. It’s wrong.

Moe Lane

PS: And for the love of God, President-elect Obama, do something about this. Before it gets worse.

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COMMENTS

  • JLenardDetroit

    … kindred spirits, all these folks.

    These folks have more in common with Usama Bin Laden than they do Americans. They call Mormons the Taliban, but who is it that resorts to Violence!?!? Murder, Mayhem, etc…

    The Tree of Liberty may soon be refreshed, if they keep escalating. It won’t be to their liking either.

  • Diogenes314

    **Okay, not really.

    It’s pretty much a given that those who scream the loudest about intollerance are the least familiar with the concept.**

  • mom2oneson

    I never heard of him before the election, many people never heard about the anti-America stuff during Vietnam. The vietnam era is like the world wars we don’t remember them and only know about what happened during the time from what we read or what is told to us.
    Even Christian schools that teach true history and government do not get teach about anti-American Americans and domestic terrorism. Terrorist = a fundamentalist islamic near eastern national to young people, I think seeing a hippie looking guy did not click for many young people with no reference to domestic terrorism to draw from.

  • mom2oneson

    nt

  • bk

    is another man’s freedom of speech.

    This will follow the usual leftist double standard. Disrupting church services, terrorizing church employees, assaulting little old ladies, etc. all are done for a good cause under freedom of speech. What can’t be allowed are truly hateful actions like prayer and counseling outside abortion clinics.

  • SeriousLaff

    but what punishment? Sounds like prison would be a party. Make them do community service in a place that isn’t fabulous.

  • Jaded

    their actions will FORCE people to just say NO….they are disgusting and they deserve NOTHING!….well jail!

  • seattle_ite

    “The One” has been strangely silent about this, and many other ‘peaceable demonstrations’ across our land. Funny, that he wants to jump into his job before the coronation, but won’t tell the faithful to knock it off.

    Whassa Matter, Barry? Can’t buy any more infomercial time, to prevent harm to innocents?

  • leppard

    n/t

  • Battleshort

    The gay marrige crowd will shop around and find (buy) a liberal, activist judge to AGAIN overturn the will of the people for the specialized benefit of the few.

  • fisk2521

    It seems to me that our newly elected President sent a message when he befriended William Ayers and never rejected him.

    Ayers still believes that terrorism in the name of ‘social justice’ and ‘progressive thinking’ is justified. Consequently this attack on the Christians of this country for their religious and social beliefs is justified. The attackers have defined the argument as a ‘civil rights’ issue, so anyone who opposes it is outrageously wrong and deserves to be tarred and feathered, burned at the stake, and tried for heresy against the most recent ‘group think’ that ‘progressives’ have conjured up.

    Gov. Schwarzenegger in California has stated he hopes the Judicial system overturns the vote. Apparently he doesn’t believe that issues brought to the voting booth are relevant if they don?t adhere to the politically correct views of a screaming minority.

    Accepting the gays? premise that they are ‘slaves’ of the 21st century is NOT mandatory and I personally reject it. Others are doing the same and this is driving them to violence. When you think you might be losing the intellectual argument, blow something up or kill people. William Ayers thinks so and I understand he is actually being given a platform to speak on television real soon. Is it not enough that he has been a Professor in a University, teaching this terrorism to our children when he should be in jail for treason?

    How can anyone even wonder why this is happening?

  • hunter

    The lefty apologists will claim this was not a crime, just a stunt.
    In fact, they will rationalize, since it occurred in the public square by way of the USPS, it is actually protected free speech.
    And if the Mormons know what is good for them, they will simply accept these harmless pranks. After all, to deny a lefty the ability to say anything they want and to do anything they want is on its face bad.
    Now, when the lefties sue Knights of Columbus into oblivion for daring to peacefully pray a rosary in the area in front of an abortion clinic, that is clearly a proper response to stop the KKKristians from interfering in a basic civil right.
    We are in for a very long period of history, my friends.

  • LizVBronx

    Why are people harrassing the Mormons? Didn’t voters vote AGAINST this? Why not take it out on the very liberal leaning, but obviously not in favor of Gay marriage, Californians.

    We are not happy about the way the presidential election turned out, but that’s that. We are not threatening lives or boycotting Google…..

    At least the Mormons has the guts to take a stand-something we need more of…

  • ToddH

    nt

  • dmort

    The gay rights activists dont do their cause any good by being sore losers and attack others who voted their conscience on Prop 8.

    Acts of terrorism or bullying will be more common as a means to advance an agenda opposed by a majority of americans.

  • Right_Again

    An article in the Deseret News this morning quotes the FBI on this.

    …the FBI cautioned late Thursday there is no evidence to link the threats to Prop. 8 opponents.

    “We’ve got to follow the evidence and at this point we have not received anything that would lead us to believe the opponents of Prop. 8 are behind any kind of terroistic activity,” FBI Special Agent Juan Becerra said from the agency’s Salt Lake City Office.

    You want evidence? Watch the news on TV, read a newspaper, google their activities on the internet. They may not be terrorists, but they sure are gutless pranksters.

  • von

    … But don’t know why you think you “look like an idiot for being against Proposition 8″. One of the more poisonous attitudes in current politics is that agreement with a principle implies agreement with every backer of that principle. That isn’t the case.

    I support gay marriage: that doesn’t mean that I stand with these folks — any more than the abortion foe (and I count myself in that general category) stands with folks who bombed clinics or killed abortion providers.

  • Cowboy

    I talked to my family in Utah last night and they tell me that the windows are being shot out of churches.

  • Tbone

    A lot of us believe that that the real agenda behind gay marriage is not to provide new rights to gay people but to publicly force the gay agenda onto society. In California, there is not one right or law that is available to heterosexuals in a realtionship, married or not, that is unavailable to homosexuals.

    These attacks on the Mormon Church are solely because it represents the moral right and can be attacked as opposed to the AME churchs where reside the black population that vote 70%+ for Prop 8.

  • Dee

    THe Court has leaked that they plan a ruling next week. Because they are reason this issue was even on the ballot, I am sure they will overturn it.

    This might lead to another California Supreme Court impeachment. Remember the Rose Bird Court?

  • JakePrime

    I can never figure out what the “gay agenda” is supposed to be. Is there some secret gay council that is trying to gain control of the US government, disband our churches, and subvert our children? How can there be a gay agenda any more than there is a black or Asian agenda?

  • aaronbg

    n/t

  • Bob_Frazier

    The “gay” agenda is all about behavior and changing morality. Their goal is to force everyone to accept their behavior as morally acceptable and the equal of heterosexual relationships and marriage. To that end they are infiltrating our schools and the entertainment industry to propagate their message. They try to make a civil rights issue out of something that is not a civil rights issue at all. Its a moral issue. And they want no moral judgments. Therefore the churches must be attacked. Just look at what is happening. Even the ballot box means nothing.

    They have the same civil rights I have.

    Yes, Virginia, there is a “gay” agenda.

  • mom2oneson

    [The subject is closed. - ML]

  • Moe_Lane

    I am very sorry that I saw this coming from you. You will retract this outrageous statement right now and never, ever express it again on this website.

    Are we clear?

  • Dan_McLaughlin
  • mom2oneson

    Why are there ties with gay activist with organizations that promote pedophelia. If that isn’t on their agenda then they need to seperate from places like Alyson and publically denounce them. I’m not making this up, if you search google you can see it.

  • Cicero

    My grandfather had a saying. A very bitter one that I never liked, but seems to apply here:

    “Never explain,” he’d say, “Your friends understand, your enemies don’t care.”

    Much more is going on here than just anger over the issue of the definition of marriage. Nor is it about any lost legal rights, (since under domestic partnerships the gays have not lost any).

    This is about power. Gays felt that they had finally achieved power in California, and along came these “believers” who proved differently. This is why the passage of Prop 8 is juxtaposed so often in their posts with the election of Barrak Obama. Obama’s election was symbolic of gaining power for liberal views across the country. The passage of Prop 8 however, represented a loss of power inside California. It also explains why many non-gay liberals are just as enraged as the gays.

    In their view, the believers have robbed them of their right to the government. That’s why they keep yelling about “separation of church and state” as if that somehow means religious people should sit down, shut-up, and allow secular ideas exclusive control over the government.

    The flat result of this is that the gays don’t care. They don’t care why we are opposing them. So explaining that we think marriage is more than just two people that love each other, and that this has nothing to do with hating gays is not going to help. They only care that we are opposing them, and thus are a threat to their power. The acts of intimidation, the forced resignations from their jobs of Mormons who donated to Prop 8, the demands made of the El Coyote restaurant owner- these are all just means of reasserting their power.

    The rage displayed by the gay movement and allies is no different from the rage I saw come over schoolyard bullies when some small little kid (me) refused to kowtow to them. In saying this I would like to point out that like most bullies the gay movement became a bully because so many gay people have been bullied growing up. Though making their anger understandable, it does not justify their actions.

    They are afraid, because they felt helpless growing up. Gay Marriage is not really about marriage, it’s about having the security blanket of first, being designated as no different from others, and second (and more importantly) of being the ones in power. Feeling powerful soothes their insecurities. That’s why they demand Marjorie Christoffersen (a Mormon who donated $100 to supporting Prop 8) donate money to repeal Prop 8, it would show that they really can control her, and thus they can be safe around her.

    It’s why they are focusing their anger on the Mormons (and before Prop 8 on Boy Scouts). Mormons are relatively weak and vulnerable compared to the other backers of Prop 8. Attacking us is most likely to be successful and allow themselves to feel powerful and in control. Just like kids who are bullied pick out a person weaker than themselves to bully.

    So you see- explanations are useless. They don’t care. They don’t want understanding or compromise. They want us to grovel, and beg them for forgiveness, and make them feel like they have the power and we have none.

    The frustrating thing is that there is no way of retaliating in like manner, because as a suspect class, gays can not be fired for being gay, nor can they be refused service- yet they can and will do all these things to Mormons- especially those who supported Prop 8. Our legal system is rigged in their favor, and they will use it to the maximum effect that they can.

    Back when I was in highschool (early 90′s) I used to read all sorts of political magazines. Including a gay political rag- in it I was shocked to read a editorial by a gay political activist talking about how one day they would have power, and when they got it they would do to religious people what had been done to them- they would ostracize them and force them into subservient economic roles. He even argued that gaining control of the military through gay officers would be part of this, (this was just after the implementation of “Don’t Ask, don’t tell). The writer went on to suggest that while waiting for an increase in political strength they should begin by marginalizing the Boy Scouts, and ensure the elimination of any government cooperation with them. I was shocked, and it took me a while before realizing he was serious, this was not a poor attempt at satire.

    I told my friends about this, and nobody believed me. I was scare mongering they said- yet here we are.

    Furthermore, the fact that people are not quickly and swiftly condemning this kind of intolerance for Mormons is only going to embolden the gays.

    This is about power. And attacking the Mormons makes them feel powerful.

    It’s not over yet.

  • mom2oneson

    The other idea I said I would never volunteer with the gop if Newt was in charge of something because of his promtion of orphanages.(Orphanges/group homes have high rates of children being beaten, raped and neglected.)

    If an priests for life suddenly had ties to Alyson I would say the pro-lifers are evil too. I’m not picking on gay activists out of the blue.

  • NightTwister

    -nt-

  • mom2oneson

    nt

  • mbecker908

    Life Lesson for Friday, 11/14:

    Never poke a lion with short, dull stick. The result will not bear good fruit for you.

    If you have issues with Moe’s comment, take it up with him via the “Contact Form” NOT in the thread.

  • Moe_Lane

    You just personally insulted my cousin and several of my friends by accusing them of being child rapists because they’re gay.

    Retract that. Now.

    DO NOT GIVE ME AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THIS.

    Moe

  • robertallen

    It is a fact that a large majority of homosexuals, particularly lesbians, were sexually abused as children. For that we should be sympathetic and offer psychiatric assistance (instead of a license!). But, while we certainly do not want homosexuals as scout leaders because of the bad example they set through their actions, and they cause similar problems in classrooms with their indoctrination, it is unfair to call homosexuals child rapists, when in fact, most of them were abused as children, which is a terrible, terrible thing.

  • robertallen

    They are filthy and disgusting. Their actions and behavior make them so. It would be funny if it wasn’t sad and insulting to see these homosexuals telling everyone they are “just like black people”; yet black folks aren’t buying their line of crap.
    I’m not calling Moe’s cousin and his perverted friends child rapists, but they are involved in disgusting actions. Watch for Obama to quickly try to overturn Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell under the guise that homosexuals can be effective in foxholes as they are in gloryholes.

  • Moe_Lane

    No.

    Blam.

  • Berean

    As a Bible believing Christian I do believe the Biblical teachings that homosexual acts are sin.

    However, they are no more sinful than any other sin, and Christ died and rose for those who practice homosexuality as much as anyone else. We all have sinned and need Christ.

    And I might note, hatred of others is also a sin, and just as big a sin as homosexual behavior or adultery or stealing or other sinful acts.

  • chaddyt

    News to me, and I’m gay. You’d think I would’ve gotten that memo. It’s scary to think that ignorance and blind stupidity like yours still exists today, but I thank you for the wake up call.

    For the record, it’s mindsets like yours that make it really difficult for people like me to stay on an even keel about this situation. I in no way condone the more despicable actions that have taken place in these recent protests, but due to you, I can see where the frustration and anger comes from.

    There are sick individuals out there who do prey on children. That is a sad fact of this world. Some are gay. Some are straight. Some are black. Some are white. Some are Christian. Some are Jewish. To sweepingly generalize an entire demographic off of this is the stuff of unbridled hate. It is the same thought process of stereotype that allowed 6 million people to be murdered in the 1940s.

    I wonder if you would classify the entire Catholic church as evil based off the actions of a few?

  • Moe_Lane

    NT

  • mom2oneson

    nt

  • Moe_Lane

    NT

  • mbecker908

    You’re ignoring the Life Lesson for Nov 14. That is a dumb thing to do.

    You’re likely not to survive this one. You’ve given up poking the lion with a short, dull stick and taken up poking the lion with a sharp steak bone.

    Please stop now and follow Moe’s instructions (above). If you have issues, take them up with Moe privately.

  • mbecker908
  • Moe_Lane

    I’ve turned your account back on.

  • LibertarianHawk

    I really don’t even know what to say to this. I guess nothing — but comments like this make my stomach churn.

  • jesdynf

    You can agree on a single topic with a crazy man without invalidating your view point OR endorsing the tactics said crazy man might take to drive home his point.

    Which is exactly what you did, Moe. So I’m not sure about the tone of the post — are you the only sane man to hold this view, and The Left merits chastisement because among them all, none would cavil from the misguided yet hilarious activities (lol its funny cause they thought their children would die) of this crazy man?

    No. I’m perfectly capable of making the same reasoned decisions you are, and it’s not fair to try to claim that Everyone (But You) Who Opposed Prop8 is, what’s the word, a thugocrat who’s no better than this.

    Besides. The powder was anonymous. Are you sure you’re willing to claim there’s no way it was a conservative Prop8 supporter trolling and looking for a backlash?

    The proper response to 9/11 (a terrorist act) was to buy some cabin door locks, and prosecute (or nuke from orbit) everyone responsible. Every word spoken about it afterward, and every dollar spent on it afterward, advanced the tactical and strategic objectives of the man who planned it.

    The proper response to the sending of this powder (a terrorist act) is to test the powder, and prosecute those responsible. Every word spoken about it afterward, and every dollar spent on it afterward, advance the tactical and strategic objectives of the man who planned it.

    Using these acts to make a point against those perceived responsible — especially when the people you accuse will know that they did not do and would not countenance such a thing, and therefore hold YOU in equal contempt — is letting the terrorists win, because you’re giving them exactly what they want.

  • speciallist

    Dumbaxx needed that…

  • chaddyt

    So child abuse is only evil if people publish books about it.

    Got it.

  • chaddyt

    That you have no idea how many past veterans and current military personnel you just insulted with that comment. Not to mention the gay population in general. Not that it matters much to you, I’m assuming.

    Passing judgement on others seems to be a trait easily found with a few here. The same people, oddly enough, who cite religion and God.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    According to this lobby it seems so, as this would be one of the so called principals they seem to promote. That posture is a divisive and constitutionally destructive modus operandi. To wit, claiming and seeking separate status while attempting to compel others, by law, to recognize their actions as protected equal behavior appears a contravention of basic Constitutional principal and common sense. This is not a group enslaved by the color of their skin and denied the basic human rights and decency they deserve as a matter of primary humanistic principle. They have not been deprived of any ?right? guaranteed under the Constitution. In fact what is being sought is a basic obscuring of that writ.

    I bear no malice or make no judgments on other countrymen. To exist equally under the law is a basic tenet of our Republic. However, to take what is seen as primarily a moral issue and obviously opposed by the greater majority of Californians? social mores and force it upon them through judicial fiat is tyranny. That is separate from the actual issue which is being used as a canard to change over 200 years of tradition and law.

    We are to respect the rights of those with whom we may disagree based on sagacious principals, majority grounded social mores, established law and rudimentary Constitutional grounding. However, I find it an abrogation of common sense to state the will of our people should be dismissed due to a benignant minority or the ill found wishes of some judge. That is not democracy; it is a basic abandonment of our Republic?s foundation.

  • mbecker908

    An interesting comment, especially when tacked on to the rest of your comment about making broad generalizations.

  • tcgeol

    since you’ve only been here 3 hours, it might be nice to see you make some other comments about conservatism, so we can get to know you. It might be just a little early for you to be getting onto Christians (or anyone else who believes in God) in response to one comment – you might get mistaken for a troll.

  • langolier

    Oh Moe, so quick to chastise “the Left.”.

    Lest you forget the most recent cautionary tale of one Ms. Ashley Todd, who was insane and carved a letter into her own flesh with the hope of causing a race war. In fact, didn’t RedState jump on that bandwagon REALLY EARLY and condemn the fictional attacker? Don’t remember Josh’s words of an “Obama thugocracy” and blaming this on Obama’s plea to “get in their faces?”

    Lest you also forget that Bruce Edward Ivins, the man fingered by the FBI for the American anthrax attacks of 2001, was a Republican.

    “The left” is aware that actions like this are wrong, thanks. Good job glossing over the lessons of recent history.

  • chaddyt

    I don’t recall “getting on Christians” in general with any broad strokes. I was referring to a handful of posters who seem to be quite comfortable passing judgement via religion, which, last I checked, was not a very Christ like thing to do.

    As to my conservatism, please feel free to go through the archives of my blog linked above (the one with cake in it) to get a better idea where I stand on any number of issues.

    As to this topic specifically, I could care less if marriage is or is not allowed for gays. I just want equal rights. Don’t care what you call it. But I also will not sit by idly and be called a filthy, perverted child rapist either.

  • tcgeol

    I was looking through your comments trying to figure out where “cake” was mentioned.

    Thanks.

  • David123

    Our first amendment rights to religious freedom are under attack

  • wt259

    Actually, Fredrick County, Maryland says Ivins was a registered democrat.
    If the left is aware that “actions” like this are wrong, why is that all we hear is….crickets?

  • JLenardDetroit

    It wouldn’t have taken much time for anyone to research him via the web. It is the INDOCTRINATION people have gotten that ignores violence against Pro-American folks as acceptable. It is pathetic. The moron was on GMA (Fri 11/14) and still unrepentant and SPINNING his actions to have been “not terrorism” because it did not target “general population.” Guess that makes it OK for all other Domestic Terrorists, as long as they only target “buildings.” But, of course, he/they did NOT just target buildings. They did kill folks.

    Guess by Ayers words, if someone puts a pipe bomb on his front lawn to send him a message, that would not be “Terrorism” because he was not targeted “directly.” Pathetic Liberal double-speak.

    I will cry when Ayers departs this earth. TEARS OF JOY!!!