Interesting.
(All of this is paraphrasing.)
Nice words for the press, nice words for Obama.
Gaza: for a sustainable cease-fire – Hamas stops firing rockets. Hamas’ choice to make. Work with Egypt to stop the smuggling of weapons into Gaza. Israel has a right to defend itself, and he hopes that Israel continues to respect innocent lives. Two-state solution best way for peace, democracy should be the goal, West Bank compared to Gaza. We’ve advanced the process.
Axis of Evil question. Still there? Obama’s biggest threat to deal with will always be an attack on the homeland. North Korea is still a problem – enriched uranium. We need to keep six-party talks, North Korea needs to keep its word. Iran’s still dangerous, too.
No litmus tests for Republican party. The party will come back. Immigration debat?e highly contentious; image is now “GOP doesn’t like immigrants.” Fair or unfair? Not important.
Jake Tapper! Shout-out from W. Kiss of death, W. Kiss of death. Jake asks about the execution of Bush’s ideals? History not written overnight, and things change. The surge worked. Will it work in the future? That’s the issue for future . Economics: started in a recession, ended in a recession, 52 months of growth in between. Tax cuts good; trust people with their money over the government. Yes, I went off the free-market ranch when the economy tanked; I was the one sitting in the chair.
Critics? Bush Derangement Syndrome brought up by a journalist! Why did you create such a phenomenon? Most people I meet aren’t hostile and angry; the ones I meet are civil, not yelling and saying bad things. Beats me why they’re being indecent, and hey: they did the same thing to Lincoln. Maybe it’s because I’m willing to make hard calls. I don’t really care much about the voices; certainly not enough to change policies. Obama’s going to have the same problem, by the way: if he allows the loud critics to affect his behavior, he shouldn’t be able to look at himself in the mirror.
Not going speculate about what Obama’s going to do. But when Bush is out of here, he’s going to be out of here. One person in the lights at a time. The enemy’s still out there, and Bush wishes Obama all the best out there. Likewise the economy; Obama will have to make uncomfortable solutions.
Pardons? I won’t discuss it, sorry. OK, have you made any mistakes (NYT, of course)? Yeah, the “Mission Accomplished” conveyed the wrong message. Some of my rhetoric. Katrina? Naah, you guys would have carped about any which way. Social Security reform over immigration reform after ’04, yeah, that should have been a mistake. Social Security is not the third rail of American politics, but Congress doesn’t take reforming it seriously. Yet. And, by the way, you make decisions on what you know. Abu Ghraib, not having WMDs… incorrect, but mistakes? Also, no such thing as short-term history.
Hey, Obama’s repairing America’s moral standing. What do you think about that? Screw what foreign elite thinks about America. Ask Africa. Ask India. Ask China (oops). Europe? Just parts of it, and by the way, we did have UN sanction for Iraq, so fark off. And fark off on Gitmo. If they want Gitmo closed, they can take some of the detainees. Sure, I could blame Israel for everything, join the UCC, or ratify Kyoto. Or I could do my job. And by the way, fark off on FISA. Everybody was talking about why we didn’t know about 9/11 before it happened; now we’re hearing people complaining about what we do to connect the dots.
What do you think about how the first 350 billion has been spent? And how about the second half? There’s a thaw in the credit markets, which is good and what I was looking for; the rest of it is the President-elect’s issue.
Softball about Obama. He’s going to feel the impact of his job. But he’s not going to be isolated, and his wife and kids are great. “Burdens of the office” overstated, and too easy to feel self-pity (funny fake whine there). I had fun in this job. I had a great team of really capable people, there to serve the country. Obama will be likewise supported.
Protectionism? I’m against it. Those three trade treaties being shot down were a disappointment. The temptation in tough economic times is protectionism. Huge mistake if we become a protectionist nation. Free trade lifts people out of poverty.
New Orleans: what could you have done to make reconstruction better? Also, James Byrd? 121 billion and school systems and people moving back in; reconstruction hasn’t been perfect, but it’s being done. Home ownership good. Don’t tell me federal response was slow – 30K were pulled off the roofs right after the storm passed.
As for Obama: I consider myself fortunate to have a front row seat for a historic moment for this Presidency. Always going to be work to do with people’s hearts (that’s a good line, by the way).
How long a break are you going to take? Oh, heck, probably not one. By the way, I really did quit drinking. 8 years of intel briefings; the big stuff is what could happen. You never escape the President. I figure that Wednesday I’ll make coffee for Laura.
Uniter, not a divider? Or is that going to be Barack’s job? Can he? I hope so, but I hate the tone of DC. I don’t play the needless name-calling game [a shame, that - ed]. We did do some stuff together, but the rhetoric got out of control – and you can ask the people who did it why it did – and I hope that it’s better for Obama. Big question why ordinary people want to get into this sort thing, given the rhetoric. But criticism remains necessary, of course.
And Helen Thomas didn’t get to say a word. I’m not entirely certain that she was awake.
Moe Lane
PS: If you are a person who goes to sleep at night praying that the first act of President Obama is to order the arrest of former President Bush and his officials: you really don’t want that to happen. The press is happily following a narrative about how Bush is smoothing the way for Obama’s taking office, and anybody pushing the arrest-them-all meme is going to look extraordinarily petty.
Well, more petty.
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
And after all this time and all the rhetoric, W still
janis (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 9:23AM EST (link)keeps saying “Immigrant” instead of “ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT”! Portraying the GOP as a party just chock full of bigots and rabid nationalists instead of a party that means to follow the rule of law is doing us no favor whatsoever and does us immeasurable harm.
People need to absolutely stop saying one word when the other phrase is the correct one. And that should have started with our purported “leaders” such as W and John McCain. Alas…..
George W. Bush...
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 9:29AM EST (link)W.O.R.S.T.
P.R.E.S.I.D.E.N.T.
I.N.
M.Y.
L.I.F.E.T.I.M.E.
Have a good retirement Mr. President. And please stay retired.
Why?
antisocial (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 9:42AM EST (link)As he said he did what he thought was right. What would you do differently now? You have advantage of speculating after the fact.
Please elaborate.
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Praveen, you really don't want to go there.
janis (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 9:44AM EST (link)Just remember, you were warned.
BDS at work?
antisocial (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 9:54AM EST (link)…
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No, just familiarity. n/t
janis (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 10:13AM EST (link).
Well I do want to go there...
antisocial (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 10:54AM EST (link)Please elaborate.
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A suggestion for now and the future, Praveen:
janis (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 12:10PM EST (link)If you don’t know where a commenter here stands on an issue, it’s helpful to click on their user name and browse through their diaries/comments. Not only will you not walk away with your hair on fire, you’ll be able to have more informed discussions.
I don't need suggesstion...
antisocial (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:36PM EST (link)and I don’t mind if I am yelled at… Here is my point.. I don’t think President Bush is that bad. Clinton was Worse. And then Jimmy Carter was classy. To just call him worst President is somehow unfair to the guy. At least explain why you think that way. If we start listing the worst Presidents in history GWB should not be at the Top. If that list is compiled 10 years from now I bet he will be way down on that list.
Considering President Bush is not a great communicator, I thought he defended himself reasonably well. Everybody can’t be Ronald Reagan.
PS: If we read from past diaries and comments and already know a commentator’s stand why do commentators need to keep posting on-liner? We know their stand already. Right?
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a comprehensive and itemized "list"
danvillain Monday, January 12th at 2:51PM EST (link)http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/broken_government/articles/full_list/
That list is a piece of crap
antisocial (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:13PM EST (link)Did you go through that list? Torture? Health? Global Warming… I’d be happy if we can backup our one-liners with something. I still think GB is not that bad. I will give him all the credit for keeping this country safe since 9/11. I still think Clinton and Carter were far worse. And I am not even thinking FDR since this thread was about Presidents in our lifetime.
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danvillain Monday, January 12th at 2:51PM EST (link)http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/broken_government/articles/full_list/
Very simple Praveen...
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:39PM EST (link)In no particular order…
1. Bush promised to veto CFR. Didn’t.
2. Bush promised that NCLB (an absolute anathema to anybody who is a fiscal conservative or gives a damn about education) would include vouchers. It was a sop. Didn’t happen.
3. Bush got his initial round of tax cuts passed and never did a damn thing about making any of them permanent.
4. Post 911 Bush pursued exactly the right policies in the WoT for all the right reasons. And he hid under his desk for the next five years while the Ds and the media hammered him. He never said a word in his own defense no matter how outrageous the lies. Hell, on 16 Words he agreed with their lies.
5. Immigration reform. Border security. Port security.
6. He nominated great judicial nominees and then let them sit without so much as a peep for up to five YEARS without getting a vote, much of that time with a Republican Senate.
7. Harriet Meirs.
8. He let the NYT and WaPo print classified material in wartime and didn’t even so much as order a federal grand jury to subpoena the reporters and publishers to reveal their sources. Then Thomas Tamm outs himself in Newsweek last month and he’s given a hero’s welcome by the left while Bush plays with Barney.
9. Democrats in Congress publicly compared our troops to Nazis and to Pol Pot. Crickets chirping.
10. One veto in his first four years while Congress went on a spree my ex-wife would be jealous of. Oh, and the veto had nothing to do with spending.
11. Medicare Part D.
12. The bank bailout.
13. The automotive bailout.
14. Steel tariff.
15. Ethanol.
16. The Farm Bill.
17. Faith based initiatives (and I’m an active Evangelical).
18. Did I mention allowing Arlen Specter to get down on his knees in front of all the Ds on the Senate Judiciary while great nominees were thrown to the wolves.
19. Not having John McCain arrested and sent to Gitmo for the torture amendment and the Gang of Pussies.
20. Providing exactly no, zero, nada, bupkis leadership on any issue – INCLUDING the WoT – for the past six years.
21. Leaving us in a situation where the far left will likely make significant cuts to the Pentagon and to our intel resources that we may never be able to recover from. See Frank Church for a shining example.
22. NewTone™.
23. Colin Powell anywhere.
24. Condi Rice at State.
25. Not exercising the necessary leadership to get John Bolton confirmed.
26. Generally being on vacation for the last six years.
27. Offering no response to D & media lies about Katrina.
28. Not holding Ds feet to the fire over corruption. Or anything.
29. Rolling out his push for privatization of SS without so much as even reviewing it with Congressional R’s to get them on board. Doing his little town hall meetings and never mentioning it again.
30. The current condition of the economy.
31. His failure to push the Congress for reforms for Fannie/Freddie. Or anything else. He just sat on his chair in the Oval Office and waited for them to send him stuff.
I could go on for another fifty or sixty bullet points, but the guy has been worthless. Clinton wasn’t worse overall, he was worse on what he left us for the Pentagon and national security, but Bush left the country in such a poor state that Obama’s changes will make you long for Bill Clinton. Plus, the Republican Congressional caucuses have been without leadership for so damn long, I’m not sure they’re capable of actually accomplishing anything or even if they’d be willing to follow a real leader. And, “so damn long” is since Reagan with a very brief moment in the sun with Newt in 94 before he flamed out.
Hear, hear, Becker! nt
Achance (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:51PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
Damn ... I really can't find anything to disagree with here, 'becker.
Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 5:04PM EST (link)I don’t agree with you conclusion about the “worst president” thing … but I do agree that he’s probably one of the worst politicians to be President ever.
It’s a wonder he beat John Kerry.
Well, mbecker908, I disagree with one of your 31 points against Bush
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 5:18PM EST (link)I do not think Bush pursued exactly the right policies on the GWOT. George W. Bush had to be pulled kicking and screaming to support the Surge. Frankly, I give John McCain and even Colin Powell higher marks on this one.
And worst of all, Bush failed with his liberalism and incompetence while claiming to be a “conservative.” Is it any wonder that a significant portion of the American populace is now turned off by conservatism?
Yeah, mbecker908, you may give Bush higher marks than I do.
***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!
So I'm guessing...
Jeff Weimer (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 9:57AM EST (link)You’re younger than 30.
Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
-Voltaire
I'm younger than 30
hogiewan Monday, January 12th at 3:30PM EST (link)I was born after Reagan’s inauguration, but I think there was a certain Dem with a few more blemishes to his record than W. Say what you want about his character and what that means, but perjury is (and should be) hard to look past
I'd take Bill over W
zuiko (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 5:26PM EST (link)W is the better man, by far, but good men do not necessarily make good presidents. This is the case with W.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
I remember Truman.
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:42PM EST (link)The perjury charges against Clinton were BS. If we’d fought him on policy the Democratic Party would likely be in about the same condition – for the same reasons – as Ron Paul’s presidential hopes.
And, for reasons cited above, Bush is leaving the country in much more peril than did Clinton.
What, you didn't live through President Carter? (n/t)
Finrod (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 10:49AM EST (link).
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
I hope you're too young to remember...
davidingeorgia Monday, January 12th at 10:58AM EST (link)…Cousin Jimmah to say that…I got stuck living through that jasper as governor AND as president. But, sad to have to say it, I’d agree on Bush if I didn’t count Carter.
Don;t forget Billy Beer. Mmmm good.
phxg (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:32PM EST (link)nt
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. –Aristotle
Geez, Mike
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 11:01AM EST (link)What the bloody hell is the matter with you?
Worse than Clinton? Worse than Carter? Give me a break and get over it. I don’t like him either, and he and his suck-butt administration (including Rove) have done more to tarnish the brand than I thought was possible. But come on.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Let's see how you feel after 4 years of the Obamanator
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 11:11AM EST (link)n/t
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
EPU... see above, see below... nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:54PM EST (link)I cannot speak for mbecker908 but ...
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 5:28PM EST (link)I will say that I think George W. Bush was worse than Clinton and Carter. Truthfully, in retrospect, I think in many ways Clinton governed more conservatively as Bush. Yes, Clinton was “triangulating” against Newt but the results were the same: in many ways Bill Clinton was more fiscally responsible and conservative than George W. Bush.
But even then, the reason why I think George W. Bush was worse than Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter (who was also truly incompetent) is because George W. Bush governed as a liberal while claiming to be a conservative. Now, when your average person thinks of the failures of the Bush Administration, they think that they are failures of conservative principles when nothing could be further from the truth.
For example, most people think we have deficits because of Bush’s tax cuts when in truth, they were caused by Bush’s big government ways, bigger than any President since FDR. But try telling that to most people; including many Republicans. George W. Bush moved the entire political conversation to the Left and for that, I think he is one of the worst Presidents in history.
***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!
Gee Becker, I didn't realize I'm an older
The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 12:19PM EST (link)fart than you are.
Carter was definitely worse. The only good thing about Carter is that we were primed for 8 years of Reagan after him. Frankly, to my way of thinking the current mess in the Middle East is still mostly HIS fault. The current Iranian regime came to power on his watch and is the source of most of the sparks causing problems in a historically unstable region.
The reasons that Bush is arguably worse than Carter are
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:53PM EST (link)1. His domestic decision making was worse. We won’t get clobbered as bad with interest rates (thanks only to the Fed), but the economy isn’t in much better shape right now than it was in 1980.
2. Carter “created” the Mullahs. Bush has done absolutely NOTHING to thwart their nuclear aims and has undercut Israel at every opportunity. I agree that the ME is Carter’s baby, but Reagan had two chances to do something (he called the IDF off when they had the PLO bottled up and he didn’t turn the Marines loose in Lebanon).
3. And the “real” reason is that after four years of Carter the American People were ready to reclaim their country. After eight years of Bush they don’t give a damn if BO gives it away.
There were people to the right of Carter.
birdmojo (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:56PM EST (link)You could criticize Carter from the right and people wouldn’t explain to you, slowly, how “reasonable people can disagree” on this policy, or that one, and don’t you understand what the *REAL* issues are, etc.
If you’re to the right of Bush and you complain, prepare to hear lectures about what the *REAL* issues are and how you aren’t being mindful of the big picture, etc.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire
Excellent point bird. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 11:08PM EST (link)You're missing one HUGE difference between W and Carter
Finrod (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 4:30PM EST (link)Jimmy Carter took a staunch Middle East ally and turned them into a bitter enemy.
George W. Bush took a bitter Middle East enemy and turned them into a staunch ally.
Say what you will about how W handled Iran, but remember that if it wasn’t for Jimmy Carter’s utter and abject boneheaded handling of Iran in the late 1970s, W wouldn’t have had to worry about dealing with Iran because they’d still be our ally.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
Nope, not missing it. I just evaluate it differently.
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 11:06PM EST (link)I agree with your conclusion but what I look at is the bottom line with Iran. And GWB has, with the exception of his “axis of evil” speech, pretty much either ignored Iran or let the Euroweenies pursue a course that everybody knew would fail with a very dangerous enemy.
He was asked about pardons, said he won't discuss that at this presser.
janis (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 9:31AM EST (link)Good, maybe that means he’s going to actually do something about it before he turns off the lights in the Oval Office for the last time.
Ramos and Campeon, report to the office
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 11:02AM EST (link)and bring your luggage.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
From your mouth to Bush's ear, EPU. n/t
janis (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 12:11PM EST (link)n/t
better still from his mouth to Bush's pen
The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 12:23PM EST (link)And I’m starting to think Mark Steyn’s idea about a pre-emptive pardon for anybody in the CIA/military who was following orders about implementing strong interrogation techniques is a good one too. Maybe a final gift to the obvious inept newbie.
I'm starting to warm up to that
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 12:37PM EST (link)Not sure how long the list of possible Dem targets would be, though. Might be thousands.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
don't get your hopes too high
kyle8 (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 12:32PM EST (link)If he does pardon anyone I wager it will be some lefties, he will do it as a “favor” to the democrats for all the “help” they have given him, ad to show bipartisanship.
I have learned not to expect anything from Bush or his type of compassionate conservative.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
W. H. Harrison must have been the best President ever then
Andy W. Monday, January 12th at 2:10PM EST (link)He wasn’t in office long enough to do anything, wrong or right. There were, in fact, several things President Bush has done that were not the best for this country. For the most part though, he did a good job of keeping us safe and NOT CAPITULATING to the fear mongers of the left in this country and of the rest of the world. He stayed the course in showing the US would not be subject to terror without a fight.
So what if he can’t pronounce “nuclear” correctly.
My hat’s off to him for his eight years in the hot seat.
Keep up the good work Sam Graves (R, MO-6)