Comments on: Spirit Airlines did *what*? http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/ Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:42:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: rocketeer http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9592 rocketeer Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:18:18 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9592 I think your assessment is half-right, and the half you are right about is scarier than you said. There is lots of innovation in the galaxy, but only in the apparently wild-west that constitutes the Foundation. In the ancient Empire there is stasis, and there is only what amounts to superstition outside of both. As the series rounds to the book Second Foundation, you see a touch of magic (mind control) of a freak known as "the Mule", and that the universe really *is* controlled by elites, a sort-of battle of mind control powers. Benevolent, godlike of course. The nannies don't want your economics. They want you to be transformed (Hmm, what did Michelle O say that Obama was going to demand from you?), and if you get too close to knowing the truth you get mind wiped. By the time he wrote Second Foundation Asimov wanted to kill the series but his editors wouldn't let him. In the 70s/80s he decided to meld the robot novel series and the Foundation series so that there was a third power, a Gaia (bringing science, religion and magic together in one whoop-de-do). Eventually Gaia wins, so that the galaxy can be safe from invasion from other galaxies. Asimov is and was a good writer, but this plot wrapup by him is lame. Perhaps this great atheist became religious later in his life but wouldn't acknowledge anyone else's ideas. But I digress into my own opinions here. Where the series touches on innovation, it is to say that technological advance occurs only outside of the failing Galactic Empire. I think your assessment is half-right, and the half you are right about is scarier than you said.

There is lots of innovation in the galaxy, but only in the apparently wild-west that constitutes the Foundation. In the ancient Empire there is stasis, and there is only what amounts to superstition outside of both.

As the series rounds to the book Second Foundation, you see a touch of magic (mind control) of a freak known as “the Mule”, and that the universe really *is* controlled by elites, a sort-of battle of mind control powers. Benevolent, godlike of course. The nannies don’t want your economics. They want you to be transformed (Hmm, what did Michelle O say that Obama was going to demand from you?), and if you get too close to knowing the truth you get mind wiped.

By the time he wrote Second Foundation Asimov wanted to kill the series but his editors wouldn’t let him. In the 70s/80s he decided to meld the robot novel series and the Foundation series so that there was a third power, a Gaia (bringing science, religion and magic together in one whoop-de-do). Eventually Gaia wins, so that the galaxy can be safe from invasion from other galaxies.

Asimov is and was a good writer, but this plot wrapup by him is lame. Perhaps this great atheist became religious later in his life but wouldn’t acknowledge anyone else’s ideas. But I digress into my own opinions here.

Where the series touches on innovation, it is to say that technological advance occurs only outside of the failing Galactic Empire.

]]> By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9591 LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:44:25 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9591 If you think about the books for a while you realize that the whole purpose of the foundation people is to bring the shattered pieces of empire back under the benevolent oversight of the central nanny state. The nanny state provides everything that people "need." There is no marketplace. There are no new inventions except those thought up by government projects. It's a statist vision of the future that repels me, even as the story itself tries to convince me I'd like it. If you think about the books for a while you realize that the whole purpose of the foundation people is to bring the shattered pieces of empire back under the benevolent oversight of the central nanny state. The nanny state provides everything that people “need.” There is no marketplace. There are no new inventions except those thought up by government projects. It’s a statist vision of the future that repels me, even as the story itself tries to convince me I’d like it.

]]> By: Moe Lane http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9590 Moe Lane Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:42:52 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9590 I've started a new thread about this all the way over <a href="http://moelane.com/2009/01/19/the-inappropriate-casting-decisions-for-foundation-thread/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I’ve started a new thread about this all the way over here.

]]> By: phxg http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9589 phxg Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:34:11 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9589 ]]> By: IJB http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9588 IJB Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:29:26 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9588 You heard it here first. You heard it here first.

]]> By: Neil Stevens http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9587 Neil Stevens Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:43 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9587 He was actually my first thought for the Mule, but yeah he'd be a good Seldon too. I'm hindered by being well detached from Hollywood and not even knowing who the active actors are these days, heh. He was actually my first thought for the Mule, but yeah he’d be a good Seldon too.

I’m hindered by being well detached from Hollywood and not even knowing who the active actors are these days, heh.

]]> By: phxg http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9586 phxg Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:26:35 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9586 Josh Hartnett for the Mule. I may just need to see Lucky Number Slevin tonite. Josh Hartnett for the Mule.

I may just need to see Lucky Number Slevin tonite.

]]> By: phxg http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9585 phxg Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:22:03 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9585 So few movies are great anymore that my level of tolerance to the changes and mutations of the original idea has become quite low. So few movies are great anymore that my level of tolerance to the changes and mutations of the original idea has become quite low.

]]> By: Neil Stevens http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9584 Neil Stevens Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:21:10 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9584 ]]> By: Neil Stevens http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9583 Neil Stevens Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:20:52 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9583 ]]> By: Moe Lane http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9582 Moe Lane Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:18:04 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9582 Voice of God, and all that. I want to say Ed Norton as the Mule, but maybe Johnny Dep? Heh. Tim Burton doing the Foundation movies. Voice of God, and all that.

I want to say Ed Norton as the Mule, but maybe Johnny Dep?

Heh. Tim Burton doing the Foundation movies.

]]> By: From ME to You http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9581 From ME to You Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:15:03 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9581 The scope of any <b><u>one</u></b> book of the Foundation Trilogy goes beyond anything a single film could adequately cover. A Sci-Fi venture would get my vote because I think their technical production values would be better than the BBC's but I think the BBC (apart from their strange accent) would beget better script writing. (EOT) The scope of any one book of the Foundation Trilogy goes beyond anything a single film could adequately cover.

A Sci-Fi venture would get my vote because I think their technical production values would be better than the BBC’s but I think the BBC (apart from their strange accent) would beget better script writing.

(EOT)

]]> By: Neil Stevens http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9580 Neil Stevens Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:13:31 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9580 ]]> By: Neil Stevens http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9579 Neil Stevens Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:13:04 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9579 I'd love Michael Keaton as Salvor Hardin, making trouble for all those pesky Encyclopedists. But does he even do movies anymore? Now who'd be a good Mule? Oh, and Natalie Portman as Bliss, please. I’d love Michael Keaton as Salvor Hardin, making trouble for all those pesky Encyclopedists. But does he even do movies anymore?

Now who’d be a good Mule?

Oh, and Natalie Portman as Bliss, please.

]]> By: Moe Lane http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9578 Moe Lane Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:12:19 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9578 My wife refuses utterly to see that film, mostly because she's a roboticist herself. She gave full points to the robots in Sky Captain, though. My wife refuses utterly to see that film, mostly because she’s a roboticist herself.

She gave full points to the robots in Sky Captain, though.

]]> By: phxg http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9577 phxg Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:06:24 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9577 nt nt

]]> By: Moe Lane http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9576 Moe Lane Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:01:20 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9576 ...no, it would still suck that way; the story doesn't really lend itself to popcorn cinema. This is something that cries out for a BBC miniseries format, or maybe Sci-Fi: with the latter, you'd get all the B-listers who'd throw their heart into it because they're doing ASIMOV'S FOUNDATION TRILOGY. But that won't happen. Oh, heck, give it to Michael Bay and at least we'll get some pretty explosions out of it. …no, it would still suck that way; the story doesn’t really lend itself to popcorn cinema. This is something that cries out for a BBC miniseries format, or maybe Sci-Fi: with the latter, you’d get all the B-listers who’d throw their heart into it because they’re doing ASIMOV’S FOUNDATION TRILOGY. But that won’t happen.

Oh, heck, give it to Michael Bay and at least we’ll get some pretty explosions out of it.

]]> By: From ME to You http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9575 From ME to You Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:50:20 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9575 Unfortunately the low level employee probably does not have the authority to waive the fee! With the resultant negative publicity Spirit Airlines will have to to some fancy "tap dancing" to blunt the effect on the bottom line! RE: Foundation movie...I agree...this movie will rot! It will be turned into a leftist diatribe showing how "superior" leftist ideals are and how "evil" conservatives are trying to take over the world. Unfortunately the low level employee probably does not have the authority to waive the fee! With the resultant negative publicity Spirit Airlines will have to to some fancy “tap dancing” to blunt the effect on the bottom line!

RE: Foundation movie…I agree…this movie will rot! It will be turned into a leftist diatribe showing how “superior” leftist ideals are and how “evil” conservatives are trying to take over the world.

]]> By: Lamplighter331 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9574 Lamplighter331 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:48:46 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9574 Who the BLEEP (thank you Governor Blago) is Spirit Airlines? Moe, Let's look on the bright side, maybe they refunded the bag fee. Who the BLEEP (thank you Governor Blago) is Spirit Airlines?

Moe,

Let’s look on the bright side, maybe they refunded the bag fee.

]]> By: jeffstone http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/spirit-airlines-did-what/#comment-9573 jeffstone Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:28:14 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/?p=904#comment-9573 Apparently these people cannot think. Flight 1549 has been on every news channel and every non-news channel's newsbreaks. But, you have to be able to think, to think that there is only one Flight 1549. Let alone to think that charging anyone that was aboard for anything is a bad idea. Apparently these people cannot think.
Flight 1549 has been on every news channel and every non-news channel’s newsbreaks.
But, you have to be able to think, to think that there is only one Flight 1549. Let alone to think that charging anyone that was aboard for anything is a bad idea.

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