« BACK  |  PRINT

RS

FRONT PAGE CONTRIBUTOR

Obama embraces torture.

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  February 1st, 2009 at 10:55 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

I told you.

I damned well told you.

Rendition is back, you pro-torturing, posturing, hypocritical Leftist fools:

Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool
The role of the CIA’s controversial prisoner-transfer program may expand, intelligence experts say.

Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States.

Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said that the rendition program might be poised to play an expanded role going forward because it was the main remaining mechanism — aside from Predator missile strikes — for taking suspected terrorists off the street.

The rendition program became a source of embarrassment for the CIA, and a target of international scorn, as details emerged in recent years of botched captures, mistaken identities and allegations that prisoners were turned over to countries where they were tortured.

[snip]

But the Obama administration appears to have determined that the rendition program was one component of the Bush administration’s war on terrorism that it could not afford to discard.

And when I say “back” I mean that it’s going to become the damned default option for detainees. You howled when we tried to go with an unlawful detainee designation to handle these cases; you shrieked when we set up Gitmo; and you’d whine if we shot them out of hand. The only thing left is to hand these sons of bitches over to countries without our Bill of Rights and hope that this is enough.

There’s a big hole in the ground in Manhattan that says that it won’t be. But back to the matter at hand:

  • Mark Kleiman. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • Andrew Sullivan. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • Hillary* Bok. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • Glenn Greenwald. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • Kevin Drum. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • Duncan Black. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • Markos Moulitsas. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • Jerome Armstrong. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • Matt Stoller. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
  • All the damned rest of you on the Online Left. Every single one of you who supported Obama. You are now officially pro-torture.

Remember that when – not “if”; “when” – we get the first stories of somebody handed off to… probably Libya, at this rate; it’s precisely the sort of stupid choice you’d see from too-self-aware-of-their-own-smartness people – and wired up to a car battery. You voted for this. You made this happen. You were the change that you believed in. You were warned.

And I’ll sleep like a baby. That’s because I voted for the other guy.

Moe Lane

PS: You may take my refusal to link to the above sites as the calculated insult that it is.

Crossposted on Moe Lane.

*I had it pointed out that the name was wrong. Silly me.

Tags: , ,

COMMENTS

POSTING RULES  |  LOGIN TO COMMENT  |  REGISTER TODAY
  • $peciallist

    I love it when….her face gets all contorted when she gets indignant…

  • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel
  • char

    Because there really isn’t much of a place to send these people. So Not only is Obama embracing torture but he is going to hide it from his ACLU buddies by keeping it in some unlabeled CIA safe house where the red cross can’t visit. Hope, Change indeed!

  • bk

    When Obama closed Gitmo, didn’t it come out that he wants the scumbags there separated into three categories?

    1. Those who can be released back to some country.

    2. Those who need trials.

    3. Those who need to be held indefinitely.

    If that’s correct, then he’s also in favor of unlimited violations of their civil/constitutional rights, or whatever it is he and the Kossacks had accused the BusHitler regime of.

  • bk

     

  • fisk2521

    If I were a terrorist – - I would much rather be at Gitmo than passed off to ‘some other country’ for interrogation!!! Maybe there will be some kind of petition started at Gitmo – asking to stay.

    The Obama administration and their kool aid drinker followers just sealed the fate of these people to torture. How truly compassionate.

  • rick554

    HOOAH Moe! Obamatron’s heads begin exploding in 3…..2…..1…….HEH

  • bk
  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    ……. is so The Civilian Defense Corps can use it on folks like us.

    Hmmmmmmmmm ?

    This message brought to you by people who realize these leftist fools are capable of justifying and doing ANYTHING to achieve their goals.

    Paranoid? No.

    Extrapolating cause and effect? yep.

    Cheers !

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon
  • NightTwister

  • Achance
  • NightTwister

    I already set it up here.

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    Then somebody in charge has to get a roll of Duct Tapetm and keep this diary up top for a bit !

    ;)

    On a serious note, call and/or write everyone you know who voted for The One and stick this in their face, but do so politely, lest they think ill of us for KNOWING WHAT OBAMA WAS ABOUT from the get-go.

  • NightTwister

    Go here.

  • Lord_Vegas

    Do you have any idera how hard that is to do on this Crackberry?

    Will try…

  • NightTwister
  • mbecker908

    I’m guessing the survival rate in high-security prisons in places like Bulgaria, Jordan, etal ain’t all that high. Which works just fine for me.

  • 10ksnooker

    Causing problems for Hope-N-Change since 2009.

  • USNJIMRET

    it will be the direct and inexcusable “fault” of the previous Administration and they way they mangled, distorted, lied, obfuscated, mislead and otherwise completely fooled all these “Best and Brightest” members of the new Administration.
    No fault, not an ounce in a ton of applicable ‘blame’, will be laid at the feet of The One.
    Watch, if it makes ‘news’ at all, and see.

  • bobojake

    God Bless America

  • bobojake

    God Bless America

  • mbecker908

    they’d rule the world.

    In Dog We Trust!

  • Princeliberty

    More important will be Monday when Obama announces he begins his war on
    the US military.

    Obama not interested in protecting the country. He wants to keep an Imperial Presidency and anything on the national security that serves to give him more power he is for.

    But he is making us far weaker. By the time he leave the military wil be a wreck.

    China is getting ready!

  • SteveLA
  • http://www.phxgonline.com phxg

    If ever a post needed theme music playing in the background, this is it. And this is the music.

    And here is what the stands look like after Moe’s post:

    Kernkraft 400 (Stadium Edit) by Zombie Nation.

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    Obama To Cut Military Budget

    But at what cost………..

  • SteveLA

    Kenny,

    “The One” has run on a platform to withdraw from Iraq in 18 months, this is not unexpected. Operations in Iraq cost some amount of DOD budgets, so this is not unexpected.

    I want to see what Obama does on investments in the JSF, the Tanker replacement, and any other number of DOD modernization programs. There is also a question in my mind on how Obama will handle MILCON budgets to improve state side living conditions for the troops and their families along with health care facilities.

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    Remember, these folks do not like the military.

    They’d rather have a civilian defense corps.

  • SteveLA

    Kenny, after every war there is a reduction in DOD budgets.

    Peace Dividend I after Gulf War 1 comes to mind.

    But the trick will be to see where those cuts are made. I trust Secretary Gates to make the cuts in a way that makes sense, and I see no evidence that Gates does not like the military. I also see no evidence that Obama is anywhere near as stupid as Clinton is when it comes to the military and there will be very few outright insults of military leadership as was seen under Slick Willy.

    I also think the major weapon system procurements might get slowed a bit, but there are a whole bunch of upper middle class jobs involved in the Defense industry and I can’t see Obama going after funding to those in the middle of a recession.

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    But I just have this gut feeling that he’s gonna slash and burn everything, starting with what you’re talking about, then going on to direct operational items.

    I’m out until late tonight…. heading to a SB party at The Ale House – I’m the unofficial official photographer at the place.

    Cheers !

  • Achance

    threat as long as we are nice and “talk” to people, every strategic system will be slowed down or stopped, starting with missile defense. That one especially since our communist friends in Russian and China are so opposed to it. Since my state is already within range of NorKor missiles, I take umbrage on that one.

    I’m just glad my kid got out. They’ll be sending the Army and Marines all over trying to be World social workers and won’t let them load their weapons or give them any armor or air. We’re going to have more Somalias.

  • Achance

    I generally don’t even try to talk to them.

  • SteveLA

    Achance

    I hope you are wrong, and for reasons I stated above I think you will see more benign neglect than outright disrespect for the military coming from Obama and Co.

    I think that Obama is smart enough to realize that if he goes after the military or the intelligence agencies directly and this country is attacked again, his Presidency will be over. The waters edge for the Kumbya stuff ends once the shooting begins, well unless Code Pink wants to defend this country.

  • janis

    Knowing that the guy voted for Obama, I greet him on the front porch regularly with the latest atrocity of this administration. Last week it was the FOCA, which horrified him. This week it was the one about crushing vehicles that were brand new, but didn’t get 18mpg. The look on his face was priceless.

    My husband told me to stop doing that as the poor fellow is now drinking way too much to stay on his horse until the end of the ride.

  • RJD

    too much credit. They see dollars being spent on an institution (DOD, military) they deem unnecessary. The Democrats want those dollars allocated to other areas to expand their welfare state.

    For Obama and his handlers to actually take into account the possibility of another terrorist attack on American soil, would be for them to admit that there are, in fact, terrorists in the world that desire to kill Americans and who are actively planning to do so.

    We might not see the military decimated as it was under Clinton, but don’t be surprised if and when it happens.

  • SteveLA

    RJD

    My plan is as Reagan suggested; “Trust but verify”. In other words, keep an eye on what Obama and his crew get up to.

  • David123

    nt

  • Achance

    some of them did, it is kinda boilerplate for good communists, they’ll understand that alienating the military is what cost the Left control of Germany and set the stage for the NSDAP’s alliance with the Reichswehr and the Employers/Industrialists.

    That said, a lot of the useful idiot constituency that elected them is going to demand that they cut military spending and move it to gay and lesbian studies or some such.

  • proudpatriot

    Secret detention is not the equivalent of torture, unless your making some sort of moral equivalence. If so then (logically) you are saying what the Bush administration did was wrong and that you are against. If you do agree with it, then why are you complaining?

    As a liberal I can say right now that I realize that secret detention is a necessity in the war on terror and I trust the current administration to set up a proper criteria for special cases. Unlike the previous administration who regularly insisted that everyone they were detaining belonged there, and then we find out later that they didn’t even have *files* on the detainees which means they didn’t even know why they were there.

    Oh and do be kind enough not to respond by telling me what other liberals say about things…

  • Achance

    Useful idiot is about as far up the food chain as you people get.

  • proudpatriot

    that you had nothing to say?

  • Leopard1996

    When he sits there, and ass hat’s like yourself sit and complain that Bush did tourture, and Bush and Gitmo were wrong, and redition was wrong. Then turn around when Obama does some of these things and say it’s okay, that is where my problem is. Don’t win an election by saying “Failed Bush Policies”, then do everything Bush did in a certain area.

  • Leopard1996

    When he sits there, and ass hat’s like yourself sit and complain that Bush did tourture, and Bush and Gitmo were wrong, and redition was wrong. Then turn around when Obama does some of these things and say it’s okay, that is where my problem is. Don’t win an election by saying “Failed Bush Policies”, then do everything Bush did in a certain area.

  • Achance

    to just name call and make stuff up. It got you guys the Communist in Chief and now we can show him and you the same respect you showed President Bush and the Republicans. Get used to being called names and if you don’t like it, man up and do something about it. Make my day.

  • Leopard1996

    I only hit the submit button once.

  • Leopard1996

    I only hit the submit button once.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Particularly out a feeling of pique.

    Scram.

  • Wayne

    he will. See Achance’s post above Janis’ post for explanation.

  • HappyBunny

    Hope the door hit you someplace really painful. Jerk.

  • Rod_Patrick

    Will you still support him?

    Or

    Will you support him more?

    Just asking.

  • janis

    as many others are, he’s more of the variety that bought the notion that Repubs were the ones responsible for the economic woes. He’s a truck driver and I doubt that this next 4 year stretch is going to be good for his profession.

    I’m making no prediction of any kind about 2012. But the Mayan calender was pretty interesting on that subject. :-)

  • Wayne

    “Secret detention is not the equivalent of torture, unless your making some sort of moral equivalence”. All along, we have been told that it was. Now it isn’t? How convenient for your conscience.
    And Achance, I think that oxygen thief would also fit in I support’s case.

  • centerisbest

    Rendition means capturing a suspected terrorist on foreign soil. It has nothing to do with torture at all. You might want to check the facts before using a headline that is blatantly false. One other point on torture. According to the Pentagon, enhanced interrogation ended in 2003. If that is the case, why have we captured/killed so many terrorists since then? Because according to you, torture is the only thing that works. Despite the numerous experts who claim otherwise. Among them former interrogators, as well as a slew of ex-senior Officers, many of whom are Repubs.

  • Jack_Savage

    This is getting better by the minute:

    “As a liberal I can say right now that I realize that secret detention is a necessity in the war on terror and I trust the current administration to set up a proper criteria for special cases. ”

    I am laughing so hard I am barely able to breathe, and I am copying and forwarding this comment to everyone I know. Truly one for the ages.

  • centerisbest

    Baloney!!! Just a reminder. HE WAS PRESIDENT ON 9/11.. Do you think, if God forbid we are attacked in the first year of Obama’s Presidency that he would get credit for keeping us safe? In addition, what about the close to 5 thousand brave warriors who have died? The majority of whom were killed bye, you guessed it.. Terrorists!

  • janis

    And rendition results in terrorists being taken to countries that DO support torture and I don’t mean waterboarding. So if Obama allow rendition, then he is a willing and knowing accomplice to the practice of torture.

    You might want to check the facts yourself. And if you continue to drive on the center line, you’re gonna get hit from both of the other lanes.

  • HappyBunny

  • janis

    And if we get hit in the first year of Obama’s reign, I fully expect that he will indeed be to blame for weakening our position of strength in the world. He’s already done a fine job of that in less than two weeks on the job.

  • Jack_Savage

    Keep writing that crap until you believe it. Maybe you and the other Obamabots can have a meet-up and work your story out, cause you’re doing a really bad job of ‘splainin so far, Lucy.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    And the more they pound the tables and shout, the less excuse they have to say “I was never told,”

    You were told.

    Now get the hell out of here.

  • Jack_Savage

    Are you talking about the dead on the streets of Chicago and New York in the past seven years? Because your side hasn’t demonstrated one whit of respect for the brave warriors in our armed forces, and speak of their deaths only when you can stand on their bodies to score a political point.

    Oh wait a second, you ARE trying to score a political point, so it must be the warriors in Iraq and Afghanistan you are talking about.

  • janis

    he refers used to be called, if I’m not mistaken, “freedom fighters”, “innocent civilians” or “the resistance.” This is the first time a lefty has referred to them correctly as terrorist.

    Obama must have given them permission to use these terms.

  • Leopard1996

    You people will find someway to say it’s Bush’s fault, and give Obama a pass. Even if it happened a year into Obama’s presidency.

    Real Simple, you sir are an utter ass.

  • Leopard1996

    You people will find someway to say it’s Bush’s fault, and give Obama a pass. Even if it happened a year into Obama’s presidency.

    Real Simple, you sir are an utter ass.

  • bs

    this would be it.

    Nice.

  • USNJIMRET

    their very own form of “logic” into the mobius strip pretzel needed to call Obama ‘rendition’ acceptable when Bush “rendition” was a war crime!
    Truly unbelievable.
    And scary as hell when one assumes that these same “people” vote!

  • Jack_Savage

    Just perfect.

    And for the record, with the expansion of the CIA’s role in this war, looks like Obama is making sure rendition is going to be waterboading, Gitmo and Abu Gharib all rolled into one. No wonder the courageous decision to do away with the three and keep the one.

  • JustLeaveMeAlone

    You really ought to get a clue before you post idiotic and ignorant tripe. Rendition is the practice of shipping off “enemy combatants” to nations that have no problem with torture and letting them do it for us.

    Think Mubarak’s prisons in Egypt, for example. They make Gitmo look like Club Med.

  • DefendUSA

    “Oh my gosh, Now that Obama is President, I feel like I can breathe.”

    or, “it’s so great to be an American, now.”

    or, “You’ve got to give Obama a cha-ance. Stop calling him Jimmy Carter 2.”

    Pick a lefty, any lefty.

    Oh how they hate the truth and spin it so their boy, The COW can come out smelling like a rose.

    In 2005, here is what was written about extraordinary rendition:

    “The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, however, what had been a limited program expanded dramatically, with some experts estimating that 150 foreign nationals have been victims of rendition in the last few years alone. Foreign nationals suspected of terrorism have been transported to detention and interrogation facilities in Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Diego Garcia, Afghanistan, Guant?namo, and elsewhere. In the words of former CIA agent Robert Baer: “If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear — never to see them again — you send them to Egypt.”

    Well, what do you suppose expanding that policy really means, leftist idiots?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …on my other site have been pretty funny. They’ve yet to twig to the concept that showing a reaction just tells me that I stung ‘em.

  • JTaylor

    First, — you NOW realize it is necessary in the war on terror?

    Nice to see that you are also agreeing that we are in fact in a WAR. That is a good first step back to reality.

    Now if you would only realize that detention at GITMO at least provided detainees with decent treatment.

    Are you so naive to not understand what happens in “Secret” detention.

    What is proper criteria?

    You trust this administration? What to keep files up to date? The file keepers in this administration are the same as those from the last.