He’ll show them all.
This is one time where excerpting isn’t going to cut it: let me summarize this article (”Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey*“) (H/T: AoSHQ) and then you can go read both it and the soon-to-be-federal law (here is the original, and here is the Nelson/Collins amendment). Essentially, McCaughey argues that the bill contains stealth provisions within it that will create a bureaucratic commission that will regulate acceptable medical treatments for patients. She then states that these provisions are “virtually identical” with those in Daschle’s book Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis, which supposedly advocates adopting a system where “approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit.” In other words: the older you get, the cheaper your treatment has to be in order to get the same consideration as someone younger than you. A helpful reminder of the bureaucratic wonders that can breed in the British health care system, and a suggestion that Daschle snuck this in deliberately because of his experiences with Clinton’s health care fiasco, and away we go.
So, is it nonsense?
There’s somebody jumping up and down right now to yell about McCaughey, so let me tell you right off the bat: this woman’s not exactly unbiased when it comes to health care policy, and there’s every indication that this may be part of a blue-on-blue fight (yup, she was once a Republican Lt Governor, in much the same way that I was once a Democrat slacker). That being said; there are reasons why people blanch at the thought of imposing Canadian and British models of health care, and that’s because centralized control over medical treatment hits home in a way that, say, centralized control over food standards doesn’t. Nobody likes to hear that the condition that they’re suffering from has been deemed to be not worth treating, and such decisions are inevitable in any rationing system - which, when you strip away all the blather, is what universal health care is: a rationing system. So I’m not dismissive of the thought that there’s at least the possibility of this - and since Daschle is a tax-evading weasel anyway, I’m also not dismissive of the thought that he might have tried to sneak what would be a very unpopular program into the bill.
Of course, it’s all academic at this point: the Democratic bill is clotured, and Democratic Senators will pass it today, and then the Democrats in the House and Senate will resolve the differences to the bill, and then the Democratic President will turn this Democratic bill into a Democratic law. And then Democrats will be responsible for enforcing it on the rest of us. Personally, I’m not yet forty, so if McCaughey’s right I’ve got pretty good odds on toughing it out until the political winds change again. It’s the people approaching retirement age that have to worry: some of them may not have much time before they get unlucky, and have to justify their treatments to a person who is personally sorry about the situation, but policy is policy.
Hint, hint.
Moe Lane
*I don’t normally use Wikipedia as a reference source for anything important, but if you’re looking for ammo against this woman, it’s where you should start. I mention this because it’s also where you should start looking for armor against the ammo: she’s kind of a free agent (or mercenary) in the health care wars, and it shows. I think she also personally loathes Tom Daschle, which is a point in her favor.

Picking apart the Stimulus bill.
Steph C Tuesday, February 10th at 8:17AM EST (link)In picking it apart, we do ourselves a disservice calling it simply a pork bill because it’s much more than that. It’s a power grab of the worst sort, the thing we’ve been fighting against in this country since its inception. The pork is actually the cover for the power grab because the Republicans are on the ropes over their fiscal irresponsibility.
On another diary, I noted that it will take a year to descramble the 1500 page bill. There are similar bombs hidden through it all leading to centralized body who will have power over the whole country. We’re headed back to the days of feudalism… and they call it progressive.
Instead of the lipstick analogy, let’s try a new one: You can paint pretty flowers on a bomb but it’s still a bomb.
This bill being shoved down our throats is a bomb.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Thank you for posting this Moe
Scope Tuesday, February 10th at 8:25AM EST (link)Very few have even talked about the healthcare provisions in the Stimulus, which as you have pointed out is Socialized Healthcare. So many have been more worried about the Waterpark or the Honey Bee projects, while Daschel/Obama are pulling the wool over everyone’s eye. Combining this with the SCHIP bill already passed, we are well on the way to the British system that Daschel seems to think is great, according to his book. I read somewhere that the lessons of the Clinton healthcare plan from the 90’s should have been one of the first on the Clinton agenda, when his popularity was high. That is exactly what they are trying to do here.
This is absolutely outrageous...
Attack Mode Tuesday, February 10th at 10:24AM EST (link)I read the article and regardless of any bias by the author, this is still just plain wrong.
This sort of interference in private medical decisions is the worst type of infringement by the government on ones life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
President Obama should be ashamed, that is if he actually was human enough to have a conscience which compelled such shame.
Sorry Billy but grandma is going to have to die because the government says she can’t get treatment for cancer because she is too old, and the experimental drug that could cure her is too costly.
You would think the idiots over at DKos would be all over this, after all the years of them yelling that the republicans want to leave children and the elderly without health care.
Hypocrites of the highest order!!
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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Aaron, they don't think this will apply to them, you know, just evil old Rethuglicans.
janis Tuesday, February 10th at 10:34AM EST (link)They still don’t think that Obummer has it in for them, they are his chosen people. What a rude awakening it will be.
And I agree with your first point. As one who has parents in their 80’s, I’m enfuriated that they may be among the first that this will affect. I’ve urged them to not put off any medical procedures that they may need. My dad has to have his internal defibrillator-pacemaker replaced and I’m hoping he gets it done pretty soon. After all, he’s 84 and, in the eyes of Obama’s administration, contributes nothing to the economy. Never mind that he fought in WWII and then worked up until his mid 70’s.
Taxpayer funded Medicare is the hook for
Achance Tuesday, February 10th at 10:52AM EST (link)government control of the decisions, and you can make an argument for these sorts of analysis since you’re asking the rest of the populus to pay for something that many would consider unwise or even unjustified. It only takes a little propaganda about how much Viagara is being paid for by Medicare/Medicaid at the Nursing Home or how many expensive surguries are being done on 90 year olds at taxpayer expense. I have a very nice private health insurance plan as a part of my retirement benefit, a benefit that I paid for with both direct contributions and an employer match that suppressed my wage. Even so, somewhere along the way somebody put a provision in the regs that requires me to pick up Medicare coverage when I become eligible and makes that Medicare coverage my primary insurance rather than my retirement insurance. I suspect most retirement plans around the Country have the same provision. So, those of us who did provide for ourselves privately are still stuck with a government managed healthcare system in our old age.
And frankly, if you look at who elected The One, they can’t wait for us old folks to get out of the way and won’t have any problem with doing something that hastens the process.
In Vino Veritas
Sorry Art.....
Attack Mode Tuesday, February 10th at 10:57AM EST (link)You can’t get that cancer treatment because a 21 year old ObamaGirl needs bigger breasts for her new “acting” career.
Oddly enough, I think you might actually be ok with that trade off…just this one time…;^)
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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
If you think about it,is there a better way to get rid of baby-boomers.
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Lots of us are pretty well off and armed,
Achance Tuesday, February 10th at 12:19PM EST (link)so it might not be so easy to get rid of us. God knows the X’ers and Y’ers and Nexters etc. were nipping at my heels for the last decade or so of my career but they never got me, and I got a lot of them for trying.
In Vino Veritas
Ac, Be careful not ot get injured in an altercation,
olsmithie Tuesday, February 10th at 1:56PM EST (link)you won’t be able to go for medical help without being arrested.
Sounds like a survival novel, doesn’t it?
Regards
I believe Medicare is always primary by law.
streetwise Tuesday, February 10th at 12:26PM EST (link)Private insurance is the supplemental, and trust me, we all better have one because Medicare benefits will be cut.
To date, I don’t think there’s much direct rationing imposed by Medicare, but there certainly is a lot of price control. The future? Who knows? But retirees vote in huge numbers, so I doubt that there will be mandated reductions in hip surgeries, for example, in favor of breast implants for 20-somethings.
Of course, when Hillary becomes president, Bill might insist on changes!
But controlling the price or the reimbursement
Achance Tuesday, February 10th at 12:38PM EST (link)is in itself a form of rationing.
The part of compensation and benefits I know the least about, in fact almost nothing, is retirement. It was never on my plate since it was the State’s position that it wasn’t subject to collective bargaining. I had enough I had to know about, so I just let it be other people’s problem. Sure, wish I’d paid a lot more attention now that I’m retired and see what a mess they had made of what most would consider a pretty good, reasonably well-funded retirement system. My first clue that something was badly amiss was when I retired, my retiree HI immediately became primary even though my wife was still working and the State was paying in about a $1000/mo. on her behalf and I was never going to pay another dime. When I looked into, I saw when and why it was done; a Democrat administration was trying to claim it was holding down employee HI costs, so, since there are a lot of State employee couples, they just cost shifted to the retiree plan to make it easier to hold down the active costs. There’s all sorts of stupid stuff like that, but the most you get from the retirement people is the old, “there’s no reason, it’s just our policy” or “we’ve always done it that way” dance and you can’t get them to do anything.
In Vino Veritas
True, but the rationing is not as blatant as what some on the left really want.
streetwise Tuesday, February 10th at 1:24PM EST (link)As for retirement, it’s another job! Doing all the investigating re how benefits work, managing investment accounts, tax management, etc.
And that’s not counting the real job one might have to take to cope with life under The One.
When you have Medicare as primary-
penguin2 Tuesday, February 10th at 1:54PM EST (link)your supplemental insurance will not pay if Medicare denied the primary claim. This is also true for the military Tricare system. I am an RN and wrote on leeterry’s diary today, that people do not really understand the threat of socialized medicine. It is a synonym for rationing health care. We have seen these issues for years and have fought constantly for our patients. We already have a lesser form of rationed care in the HMOs. It will be far worse if the government takes over the health care industry.
I urged Rep. Terry to join with his colleagues and tell the people the truth. This is a travesty of a spending bill.
I hope the people are listening now.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin
This is especially true for rehab care
streetwise Tuesday, February 10th at 2:32PM EST (link)If the patient is “making progress” in therapy, Medicare picks up part and the supplemental picks up the other part of nursing home care.
But if the situation is static or terminal, zippo. Medicare picks up some hospice costs. Otherwise, the patient’s family is on their own as far a paying the enormous per diem of nursing home care.
This is especially true for rehab care
streetwise Tuesday, February 10th at 2:32PM EST (link)If the patient is “making progress” in therapy, Medicare picks up part and the supplemental picks up the other part of nursing home care.
But if the situation is static or terminal, zippo. Medicare picks up some hospice costs. Otherwise, the patient’s family is on their own as far a paying the enormous per diem of nursing home care.
Streetwise, do you remember the Oregon man?
penguin2 Tuesday, February 10th at 3:08PM EST (link)He had some form of cancer and was on the state insurance plan. The state refused to pay for his cancer treatment, but was willing to pay for his physician to give him drugs for ending his life. There was a hue and cry and the state changed it’s mind.
Oregon has that right-to-die law and now we will see how the Federal government, in one fell swoop, can give us all our “right to die.”
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin
Trouble is, with "us" out of the way
Lammo Tuesday, February 10th at 2:25PM EST (link)they won’t know how to run things. Lots of necessary machines out there don’t respond to keyboard/mouse/touch screen commands and someone still has to dig the ditches to lay all of that fancy fiber optic cable and such.
(I say “us” because at 51 I don’t think I’m that old!)
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Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (Fr. John Corapi, SOLT)
Crime never takes a holiday. (Dennis J. O’Shea, R.I.P.)
Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird. (Ooold joke)
Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read. (Groucho Marx)
If you are refering to earth moving equipment and such
CarlSchurz Tuesday, February 10th at 2:32PM EST (link)Lots of people know how to run a ‘dozer, extendaboom, forklift, power-loader, back hoe or a bobcat.
It is the older computer stuff that is problematic.Stuff from the 50s, 60s and 70s.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
Sunshine is great.
itrytobenice Tuesday, February 10th at 10:50AM EST (link)Thanks for bringing it. Now if we could only get some bleach poured on it.
The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
This is why Obama is going to make it visible for 5 days on-line.
bk Tuesday, February 10th at 10:52AM EST (link)Oops - that applies to “non-emergencies” only.
Where is the AARP...
azaeroprof Tuesday, February 10th at 11:54AM EST (link)on this?? One would think that they would be completely up in arms, unless there’s some sort of “payoff” for them elsewhere. As someone mentioned in another thread, the aides in congress that actually write these things are masterful at splitting up programs and dispersing them throughout a bill so you never get the whole picture.
I remember back in the “tax reform” bill that Rostenkowski headed up in the 80’s, Andy Rooney (I think?) traced a thread throughout the bill. It started with an provision that exempted businesses that met some definition in another part of the bill, then referred to another part of the bill, etc. etc. It ended up after about 6 or 8 flips to completely different parts, to just be defined as ONE particular company in Rostenkowski’s home district. Does anyone else remember seeing this?? Imagine that embedded loophole and multiply it by 535, and you get the idea. In computer programming, we call programs that use multiple ‘GOTO’ statements “spaghetti code”. The congress is expert at writing “spaghetti legislation”. Both are equally incomprehensible and dangerous!
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That can't be the case here (re your last paragraph)
bk Tuesday, February 10th at 11:57AM EST (link)since there are no earmarks or special interest pork in this bill.
AARP is a branch of the DNC, you'll hear nothing from them!
olsmithie Tuesday, February 10th at 2:00PM EST (link)They have been taking multimillion dollar “grants” from congress for years, then turning around and lobbying congress.
What’s wrong with this picture?
If we can get the seniors to believe the truth, they will be a welcome ally against the Orwellians. Questin is how to let them know. CNN won’t tell them.
Regards
Exactly why I'll never join,
Lammo Tuesday, February 10th at 2:27PM EST (link)plus they ticked me off by sending me stuff before I turned 50.
ACORN: Association of Criminals Obama Represented in the Nineties. (jupitersuite)
Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (Fr. John Corapi, SOLT)
Crime never takes a holiday. (Dennis J. O’Shea, R.I.P.)
Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird. (Ooold joke)
Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read. (Groucho Marx)
I started getting offers at 25, Planing ahead, I suppose nt
olsmithie Tuesday, February 10th at 3:35PM EST (link)I finally broke down and joined because
Achance Tuesday, February 10th at 2:40PM EST (link)they have some really, really attractive insurance deals, as in auto insurance at a third of what I was being quoted by the “majors” here. Somebody once described them as really just an insurance company with an interesting marketing scheme. Makes sense, and it makes sense that health insurers and life insurers would be all about socialized medicine. Since most retirement plans make you go to Medicare as your primary when you turn 65, Medicare turning you down for something lets your private insurance off the hook.
In Vino Veritas