Are you involved in any aspect of the financial industry?
Heck, is your household making more than 75 grand a year?
Yes?
THEN IT IS NOT IN YOUR CLASS INTEREST TO VOTE FOR ANY DEMOCRAT IN THE 2010 ELECTION.
Seriously, about the 75 grand and above bit.
That thirteen bucks a week that you’re supposed to be getting? That gets eaten up by this, starting in about 2012 - and for our college readers, three years is not an eternity for the rest of us. It’s about eighty paychecks - and don’t forget those Bush tax cuts that are going to expire. Their disappearance is going to startle some people who didn’t think that they were on the hook… and some of the ones who aren’t going to be startled are already starting to minimize their income. Good luck trying to get them to perform on cue.
I’d leave you with a snark on the people that brought us this mess, but Francis already did it for me.
Moe Lane
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NOCD -
Achance Tuesday, March 3rd at 9:53PM EST (link)That old saw, “Not Our Class Dear” is startint to have all new meaning.
In Vino Veritas
NOCD
MarvinH Wednesday, March 4th at 10:58AM EST (link)the $75K lie.
Higher Taxes will hit all taxpayers.
Higher electricity costs will generate inflation across the board, in addition to draining your home’s budget faster.
Why do people vote against productivity?
Why do people vote for the party that wants a poor population
vs a party that wants people to get rich?
For those of you who are none of the above
red4ever Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:07PM EST (link)but would like to be any of the above — it is also not in your best interest to vote for a democrat in 2010 (or really anytime). If you do, you will always be “none of the above.”
I would love to make above 75K (working on it, not waiting for the government to save me). I would love to be able to invest again. Big spending government won’t let me do that.
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante
What is this making work pay
mom2oneson Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:52PM EST (link)That kind of sounds like the EIC? Is it going to be another OPM thing?
This is Earth calling Obama....come in, Obama...
Vladimir Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:16PM EST (link)I heard The One on network radio news touting purchase of stocks…
Has it occurred to anyone of the Democratic persuasion that uncertainty about future capital gains tax rates is all the excuse one needs in this kind of market to shy away from investing?
There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted. - Arthur Schopenhauer
i am an active Trader and BO is spreading the Poverty around
citizenfx Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:21PM EST (link)I watch the S&P futures for a living. I have been following the correlation of the S&P and BO rise through the primaries until now.
If any of you recall the old Paine Webber commercial that said, “When Paine Webber talks, People listen”
“Well when Barrack Obama speaks, Stocks drop. ”
I’ve never seen futures begin to tank as much as when BO steps up to the microphone. The market has always gotten this guy as an Anti-Capitalist wealth destroyer. I believe Geithner refused to save Lehman in anticipation of a CDS collapse which inevitably handed the Presidency to BO. If you recall Geithner was in charge of the New York Fed and was directly in charge of determining the failure of Lehman. This entire Stock Market crash is brought to you by BO and Tax cheat in Chief!
The 60 million people who have voted for BO and the Democrats are going to be hit the hardest by the policies put forward. Last time I checked the Democrats voted for ethanol that caused corn related food inflation of 26% and requires 116% gasoline input to get 1 gallon of ethanol. Smart. What are these poor people supposed to eat when all food inflation reaches 30% since the food industry is the most energy intensive industry in the economy.
(Harvesting, processing, refrigeration, packaging, transportation and spoilage combined)
The inflation rate that will likely occur is going to dwarf that of the 1970’s. If you recall in the 70’s we were the only economic super power. With globalization the demand for Energy worldwide is much higher and we have just shut in the potential 80% of our own domestic supplies through cap and trade and anti-oil and gas drilling orders. (In the 70’s we imported 30% with 35% less population) If you don’t think that oil rich tyrannies don’t know this, just wait until Venezuela, Iran and Russia collude to get back to $150-$300 a barrel oil. Oh but YIPPIE! The environmentalists that own GM should have electric cars that equal the quality of the Yugo out by then! Don’t You Think?
Welcome to the 1970’s style stagflation x 10!
When will we ever learn, or are we just so in love with Pain that we have to repeat these stupid mistakes over and over again!
Have you noticed all the grocery stores have tuna & mac and cheese on the endcaps nt
mom2oneson Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:41PM EST (link)It used to be $1.30/20oz sports drinks or packaged brand name cookies that cost $5/lb.
sorry :)
mom2oneson Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:54PM EST (link)And they'll be able to hide the inflation in the CPI
Achance Wednesday, March 4th at 11:12AM EST (link)because it is so heavily weighted towards shelter costs. Anyone whose retirement, SS, wages, or rent or other cost adjustments are predicated on CPI adjustments is going to get hosed. We went through this after the oil price crash in the mid-eighties and the relative standard of living has never recovered. Because the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ most common cost of living idicator, the Consumer Price Index - Urban Wage Earners (CPI-U) is so heavily weighted for shelter costs, when you have a collapsing housing market, it will show a static or deflating economy when the prices real people are paying for real lives are going up dramatically.
CPI-U is a pretty arbitrary figure anyway; the only way it would represent YOUR cost of living is if you bought everything in the market basket and moved every month thus causing your rent/mortgage to reflect that month’s avg. cost. So, if you’re a real person paying your real mortgage, it is probably fixed without regard to what the economy is doing at that instant when the survey is done. Your payment doesn’t go down if the market collapes or go up during bubbles, yet the CPI-U will move dramatically in both cases. That’s a real boon if you get CPI wage adjustments and yet are avoiding the cost increases. Since wages are almost never adjusted downwards in direct response to CPI, you don’t get cut that way either, though you may lose your job altogether in a downturn. Long ago, general wage reductions was the most common employer tool in a downturn so they could keep a trained workforce yet meet the current economy. Unions pretty much ended that and layoff is usually the only tool.
In any event, the BLS and the BHO Administration will be able to point to the CPI-U and say that inflation is “under control,” while real people’s costs are skyrocketing and they don’t have any way to justify increasing their wages.
In Vino Veritas
Am I wrong here?
haydus Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:33PM EST (link)I read that ABC article, and did some quick calculations. Dr. Sharon Poczatek, the doctor in the article, says she makes $320,000 a year, and want to reduce her earnings to under $250,000 to aviod the tax increase. The moral of the story is that she will be less productive as a result of the new tax policy.
The marginal rate >$250,000 is proposed to go from 35% to 39%, which she will pay on $70,000. At the current rate she pays $24,500 on that $70,000 and keeps $45,500. At 39% she will pay $27,300 on that $70,000 and keeps $42,700. So, as I understand it, Dr. Poczatek is willing to give up $42,000 in order to save paying an extra $2,800 in taxes?
What's it to you, haydus?
Moe Lane Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:02PM EST (link)Let’s establish something, right now: you of course agree that this is her decision, her money, and her right to work less in order to pay less taxes: and you have no problem at all with her choosing to do this. Correct?
Answer in your next post, please.
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I'm wondering if my understanding
haydus Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:08PM EST (link)of how our tax code works and what the numbers turn out to be is right or not.
We'll take that as a "Yes, I have a problem with it."
Moe Lane Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:31PM EST (link)Amusingly, admitting it wouldn’t have gotten you banned.
Blam.
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My leg is startin' to get all tingly again......LOL. nt
barry915barry Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:08PM EST (link)Let's talk about how income is actually taxed, maybe
Chris_B Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:24PM EST (link)Because it doesn’t work the way you’re describing it, and it certainly doesn’t work the way Dr. Poczatek claims it does.
If you go over $250k a year, it is not your entire income that gets taxed at a higher rate, but rather the additional amount.
So, if someone earns $249,999 next year, that person will take home $162,499.35. If the same person earns an additional ten bucks, they will take home $162,506.06.
Can we drop this meme and focus on actual issues, please?
I'm not describing it at all: I'm passing it along.
Moe Lane Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:29PM EST (link)But you can confirm for me, too, that you have no problem at all with Dr. Poczatek choosing to lower her income in order to pay less taxes.
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No problem
Chris_B Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:36PM EST (link)I think what she’s doing is misguided and based on a poor understanding of the tax code, but that’s certainly her choice.
You’re right. You were not describing it - my apologies my mis-attributing this to you.
So you *do* have a problem, too.
Moe Lane Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:41PM EST (link)A moral problem.
Try again.
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You lost me on that one.
Chris_B Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:43PM EST (link)What is my moral problem?
Bzzzt! Wrong answer.
Moe Lane Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:46PM EST (link)Remember, folks: Obama supporter. He doesn’t respect your intelligence, doesn’t trust your judgment, and thinks that he has the right to disapprove of your private fiscal policies.
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Wow, 2 for the price of 1, Moe. Impressive, most Impressive!
barry915barry Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:52PM EST (link)Can you teach me how to do that when I go bass fishing up at the cottage this summer!?!
(BTW, I actually caught a double header on a single lure back in ‘04 fishing lunker bass down at Lake Huites in Mexico.) (Sorry to go off topic. It is getting late I guess).
It's not that it's *off topic*...
Moe Lane Wednesday, March 4th at 12:00AM EST (link)…it’s that we don’t believe you.
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Lucky for me my brother and the guide were witnesses.! No pictures though. nt
barry915barry Wednesday, March 4th at 12:06AM EST (link)If someone wants to earn $70k less to pay less taxes...
Gyorc Nacain Wednesday, March 4th at 12:02AM EST (link)…can she instead somehow give it to me and write it off as a tax deduction? I mean, I wouldn’t mind having an extra $70k around. Per year. As a college student, I certainly wouldn’t mind a step up from Taco Bell and Big Macs. And Natty light and Banker’s Club.
See, this is how to snark about it.
Moe Lane Wednesday, March 4th at 12:11AM EST (link)Although the Banker’s Club bit was a blatant try for sympathy.
A pretty successful one, too. Comes in a plastic bottle, right?
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The Natty is worse than the Bankers...
Gyorc Nacain Wednesday, March 4th at 12:26AM EST (link)…I don’t mind the plastic bottle, you can then store a bunch in the freezer and not worry about them falling out and breaking when you open it. Plus you can mix it with stuff, which dilutes the taste, not so with Natty…
And for the record, since we’re on the subject, if you (you being anyone out there) are reading this and you are a beer drinker and you live somewhere where they sell it go out and try YUENGLING.
Yuengling
DL80 Wednesday, March 4th at 7:23AM EST (link)Eh, it’s not bad. It’s better than a lot of beers (Coors Light, Bud Light, Natty, PBR, etc.). Doesn’t beat Sam Adams or Smithwick’s, though.
I am not an accountant but here is how I understand it
izoneguy Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:28PM EST (link)“The marginal rate >$250,000 is proposed to go from 35% to 39%, which she will pay on $70,000. At the current rate she pays $24,500 on that $70,000 and keeps $45,500. At 39% she will pay $27,300 on that $70,000 and keeps $42,700. So, as I understand it, Dr. Poczatek is willing to give up $42,000 in order to save paying an extra $2,800 in taxes?”
35% is what she pays on $320,000 - The tax rates are not just going up on the amount you would make over $250,000….
So at 35% on $320,000 that is = $112,000 in taxes
At 39% on $320,000 that is = $ 124,800 in taxes
at 35% on $250,000 that is = $ 87,500
So you would make $70,000 less in gross.
BUT you are paying $37,300 less in taxes not $2800 - now you see the problem.
But Obama will dig down so that people making $75,000 or more -will pay more.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
It'll End Up Being $40,000, $60,000 for Couples
IJB Wednesday, March 4th at 12:12AM EST (link)Obama and the Dems can’t get their math to work even remotely, unless *everyone* who’s currently paying taxes pays more.
It won’t just be people earning more than $250,000, or even people earning more than $100,000 - to make this work, taxes will have to go up on individuals earning as little as, say, $40,000, and couples earning $60,000-70,000.
Taxes will go up, *on everyone*.
California is the template here - they just put a “temporary” surcharge on *every* Californian who pays state taxes, no matter the income level.
Obama & The Dems will make sure that they Feds and the IRS aren’t far behind on this.
After all, “deficits” must be contained so they can properly “invest” in the economy, don’t you see?…
Taxes on those making less than $75,000...
rbdwiggins Wednesday, March 4th at 12:46AM EST (link)will go up, but their rate won’t be targeted: Allow the Bush Tax Cuts to expire, raise gas taxes, implement carbon tax, designate more sin taxes…
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
For anyone he misses with the withholding tax
Cowboy Wednesday, March 4th at 12:41AM EST (link)There is the carbon tax that will raise the price of nearly everything you buy.
Gas will get taxed on both ends. Aw h*ll the list could go on all night and I am tired.