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Condi Rice versus Random Antiwar Guy #555443.

The best part? When she took pity, and gave him the answer.

And objectively speaking, the refs should have stopped the fight about halfway through. Not that either I or Brutally Honest would have thanked them for that: this was just too choice for words.

If you’re wondering who won this exchange, either you haven’t watched it yet or you’re not willing to admit the answer. When the room shuts up to listen to one person over another; when that person demonstrates on two separate occasions that she’s infinitely more knowledgeable on the subject than the person she’s ‘debating;’ and when that person brushes off her aide in order to rip a few more strips of flesh… well. Don’t go up against the varsity team if you’re not ready to play.

Moe Lane

Crossposted to Moe Lane.

COMMENTS

  • Amy Miller

    I saw this a few hours ago and literally wanted to rally friends and start a USA cheer.

    It wasn’t even because of the fact that she pwnd this guy into the next county… It’s just that it was so refreshing to hear cogent arguments coming from a representative of the former Administration. She kept it classy, but still made that guy feel 3 inches small.

  • DerKrieger

    If only more on our side would step up to the plate and take it to the loud mouths on the Left who are armed with opinion and feelings but no facts.

    Liberalism is the triumph of emotion over reason.

  • jpeters

    You thought Nixon came over pretty well in the David Frost interview too, right?

    “… by definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Convention Against Torture.”

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    One wonders whether it’s the adjective or the noun that bothered you more.

    Note tense.

  • aesthete

    I, for one, don’t want to go down the road of, “if the President said it, it must be true”. I’m giving Conid the benefit of the doubt, and am guessing that she is referring to the fact that Frmr. Pres. Bush’s lawyers had very specific regulations and limitations on the enhanced interrogation videos, and that this at least lends support to the view that Bush was doing his best to make this legal and appropriate. Still, I don’t think that it was wise of her to abridge that (presumed) explanation, and she should have been more clear.

  • aesthete

    He’s obviously an idiot, given the ad-hominem he opened with.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    You can’t concede any points to these people. They really, really, really want to be the ones who get to define the terms; Condi Rice was denying them the privilege.

  • TNJim

    “You can?t concede any points to these people. They really, really, really want to be the ones who get to define the terms”.

    Never, ever, ever. Always “deny the privilege”.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Although I think it was more of an attempted sneer.

    I mean, really: Frost/Nixon? Like I’d bother to go see a piece of lefty agitprop that couldn’t even break 30 million.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Why didn’t they set her on the left when we were in the White House?

  • aesthete

    My favorite part of the interview was where she kept making the students refer to the techniques used in Guantanamo as “enhanced interrogation”. Despite the Orwellian sound of the name, it is a more accurate descriptor of the techniques than “torture”, and I’m glad that Condi wouldn’t allow the term (and by extension, the Bush Administration’s policies there) to be made synonymous w/torture.

    That said, the quote that the (foolish) lefty points out is one that merits clarification, not because it was well defined (as “enhanced interrogation” was in the video), but because there wasn’t an explanation or clarification of a statement that, on the face of it, sounds like it’s condoning all of President Bush’s actions because he’s the president, and, ipso facto, is correct! There are stronger arguments that can be made, and more importantly, I doubt that this is the message that Condi wants to convey.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    She gave a context. It only sounds bad if you mislead and take her comments out of the context of our obligations under treaty.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    I’m sure that they’re welcome to give it another shot any time that they like. :)

  • aesthete

    If you’re going to watch “the truth”, why not get it unfiltered? Not to ruin their carefully constructed conspiracy theories or anything…

  • McKinley

    it actuallly was much more sympathetic toward Nixon than I think Stone intended. Ten times the film “W” was, and Anthony Hopkins and the supporting cast are wonderful. Of course, I was born over a decade after Nixon resigned and have no memory of the real man.

    Stone wants us to believe the 18 minute gap detailed Nixon telling Haldeman about how the U.S. government was somehow responsible for John F. Kennedy’s assassination. Nixon resigns out of fear a duplicate tape exists where the gap would be made public.

  • McKinley

    I’ve yet to see Frost/Nixon, but have watched the pertinent interview portions. Nixon oozes guilt, but he dances around with technacalities and abrupt “well that’s your conclusion, it differs from mine.’

    I’m not sure why Frost/Nixon is at all a piece of liberal propaganda as few presidents are as dissimilar in style and operation, not to mention temperment, as George W. Bush and Richard Nixon. I remember reading Ron Howard trying to connect the two, but it seems to me the film’s political message would be how easily power corrputs and therefore we must be vigilant in monitoring those with the greatest of responsibiltiies>

  • aesthete

    The Nixon/Frost biopic, however, makes the interview much more dramatic than it really was, and takes pieces out of context to support a main narrative. I wouldn’t really care if the given interview revealed that Nixon was Satan incarnate, but I don’t like it when edited interviews are presented as truth, when they really are as edited as any Hollywood movie.

  • Doc Holliday

    but your one word summation of his life and times is wanting.

  • bags64

    a lesson everyone should learn before engaging in mental aerobics.

  • Martin Knight

    I know I’m Monday Morning Quarterbacking but I think her last answer on whether or not waterboarding fits the definition of “torture” was a bit too legalistic and from the perspective of a bystander, I believe it would appear to be a dodge.

    The better way to answer it would have been to take the same tack she took with the first questioner. Put the entire decision making process and the very nature of waterboarding into context (i.e. 9/11) and essentially leave it for everyone to reach their own conclusion by forcing them to see it through the Administration’s eyes.

      Q: Is waterboarding torture?

      A: No. It’s an interrogation technique that, first of all, did not violate our obligations under the Convention against Torture, and second, it was one that yielded significant valuable information and possibly saved thousands of American lives. Let us remember something here; 3000 Americans were killed by these people in one day, and we soon found out that there were second, third and perhaps even more waves of attacks planned to be carried out.
          Now the question was, how do we stop them? Where are these terrorist cells? Are they already in the United States? Who are in those cells? Where do they get their funding? When, where and how do they plan to attack? We needed this information and we needed it ASAP.
          So when we captured Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was the mastermind of these attacks, we had to find out what he knew. Now, remember that this is a very highly motivated, very determined, very intelligent individual. How do we get him to talk if he decides not to? Do we allow him to remain silent and risk American lives? Or do we find a way to make him divulge the information he knew?
          President Bush, and I agreed with him, decided that the risk was too great. American lives, lives we were responsible for, were at risk. So, the Bush Administration instructed the intelligence community to come up with interrogation techniques that would get us answers to these questions, but at the same time leave us on the same side as the law.
          Waterboarding was at the extreme end of these techniques and in the end, it was only deemed necessary for the most recalcitrant subjects … like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. Three altogether. Note again that the rules were very strict as to its application and all other options had to have been exhausted. The Bush Administration also informed members of both parties on the Intelligence Committees and Congressional leadership, including Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.
          Now, let me note a few things about waterboarding, and why the Administration approved it as a last resort technique. One; while it certainly makes the subject very uncomfortable, it leaves no physiological or psychological damage whatsoever. There was no threat at any point to the person’s life. Two; it is something that members of our own military are currently subjected to as part of their training.
          Compare this to using electrodes or smashing a hammer on toes. That’s torture. This, especially when you know carefully it was monitored and how rarely it was employed, is not even in the same vicinity.
          So, in the end, we had to find a good balance between keeping the American people safe, which means finding ways to extract information from people who might not be willing to divulge it, and staying on the side of the law. The thing is that it’s remarkably easy in hindsight for people without the responsibility to criticize after the fact. But then we got a lot of true, verifiable, actionable information and a lot of people are living their lives today because of it. So my advice is for you to actually get informed, read up on it – a lot of facts are out there but are not making it into the media. Put aside the partisanship, the ideology. What would you do in our situation, and how would you have done it?

    Anyway, that’s what I would have had her say. In an ideal world.

    Either way though; bravo Ms. Rice!

  • harrycat

    Is this what it has come down to for Republicans – rationalizing man’s inhumanity to man?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Get it somewhere else, Sparky: we’re not here to feed your delusion that you’re a good person for pretending that you care about ‘torture.’ If you did, you wouldn’t have voted for the guy that’s currently outsourcing the real version.

  • Amy Miller

    If you need someone to hold your hand through this, you can follow Specter to the party that specializes in hand-holding.

  • aesthete

    That’s why he’s sitting in front of a moniter raging about it, as opposed to working to stop it :)