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Same-sex marriage and the definition of insanity.

From earlier this week, in response to Ted Olson’s surprise move to attempt to resolve federal marriage policy via judicial fiat (via the Corner):

Gay groups say federal marriage suit premature

SAN FRANCISCO – A coalition of gay-rights groups said Wednesday that a federal same-sex marriage lawsuit brought by two high-profile lawyers is premature and they’d rather work through state legislatures and voters to win wedding rights.

Now they decide this. Full disclosure: I support the extension of marriage benefits to same-sex couples, via the legislative process.

Take a look at this map:

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The very short version of the map key: if there’s blue, green, or purple, then same-sex marriage advocates won there. If there isn’t, we lost. It’s actually worse than it looks, though. At least two of the purple states (Iowa and Massachusetts) are places where same-sex marriage was imposed via the court system; and I frankly expect Massachusetts to ban it once its state legislature finally lets the issue go to a referendum. Meanwhile, something like thirty states now have actual Constitutional amendments banning SSM, and over ten more have legislation doing the same. Even civil unions are formally banned in almost 40% of the states.

And this is all because of the strategy first seen in that 1993 Hawaii Supreme Court decision. Trying to do an end run around the legislatures has disastrously backfired for same-sex marriage advocates; it did nothing except gave our opponents free rein among people wary of judicial overreach – which is a group not limited to the Republican party, as an examination of California/Florida’s 2008 election results might show. Or a look at the curious inability of this Congress or any other to revisit DoMA. Or, indeed, the fact that the Hawaii court decision itself was later reversed by a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

In case it isn’t clear, I am an advocate for same-sex marriage myself. But if we want it passed in this country, there are three things that need to happen:

  1. Abandon all attempts to get the courts to do an end run around the legislative process. It doesn’t work.
  2. Stop demonizing our opponents. The Carrie Prejean / Perez Hilton flap was a PR disaster – particularly since it followed a very ugly set of scenes from same-sex marriage supporters over Proposition 8. And, no, nobody cares if people were upset over that. People care if we’re adults about losing. We weren’t.
  3. Stop trying to frame this debate in terms that would work to convince us, and start trying to frame it in terms that work to convince our opponents. This ‘marriage equality’ current term of art? Great for making people feel warm and self-righteous; not so great in convincing the 57% of the population who currently oppose same-sex marriage.

Where we can win on this discussion is by pursuing specific goals. Poll after poll shows that the American people are more supportive of visitation rights, inheritance rights, adoption rights, insurance rights, and even formally recognizing and regulating domestic partnerships; they just don’t like being ordered to do it, and thanks to sixteen years of poor message discipline, they’re currently associating the same-sex marriage advocate’s position with a sneer. Americans quite enjoy wiping sneers off of people’s faces; we’ve been doing it for over 200 years, and we’ve gotten quite good at it. What we don’t like to do is, say, tell somebody who has spent twenty years with somebody else that he can’t be with his lover while his lover is dying. But using that argument effectively requires one side of the debate to not only act like they respect the other side’s moral opinions, but to actually respect them, too. See #2 above.

So while I’m happy to see that the same-sex marriage groups have gotten the message; but I want to make sure that they’ve gotten the message. It’s time to try something that will actually, well, work.

Moe Lane

PS: Yes, compared to enabling same-sex marriage via One Fell Supreme Court Swoop following this strategy would be hard, complicated, messy, and not a little unfair. It also does not grant same-sex marriage supporters the position that there is an underlying Constitutional right to same-sex marriage, mostly because there isn’t one in the first place*.

Does my saying so make you feel better?

*I am not demanding that a right be recognized; I am requesting that a privilege be extended. Which nicely eliminates the problems that the slippery-slope argument raises for my side, in my opinion: if people want to extend marriage privileges to other categories later they can start their own advocacy groups and get laws passed.

Crossposted to Moe Lane.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m trying to find out when each ‘orange’ and ‘red’ state turned that color.

    2004: Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana Oregon, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio, and Utah

    2005: Texas

    That’s about half of the orange and red territory covered in just two years.

    My source is terribly biased though. The author clearly has a single agenda: to promote deviations from the norm in marriage law. When California has the “same-sex marriages” performed, it’s bolded. When Prop. 8 reverses that, it’s not bolded. Hmm. So my info here could be inaccurate.

  • Skanderbeg

    Actually, in Vermont it was 99% the courts to get it as far as it did in the first place. It was like one of those old Dallas Cowboys last minute drives that moved the ball down the field via successive dubious pass interference calls, setting up first-and-goal on the 1 and a short run-in to finish the drive.

    “Civil unions” (sick) were explicitly ordered by the state supreme court back in 1999/2000, which told the legislature to do that or they would just edict “gender-neutral marriage” (sick). Without that, the legislature would never had gotten the first-and-goal on the 1 yard line this year.

  • SteveLA

    Moe,

    But in your view, where does the Republican party need to come down on the issue of Domestic Partnerships and the rights conveyed by those agreements for gay couples?

    In CA, a fairly Blue state, the “rights” stated under Domestic Partnerships are as far as I know equivalent to marriage rights. The argument for gay marriage becomes one in my view of validation of gay relationships, not one of entitlements. As a matter of law, I’m not in favor of validation of someones life style choices, nor for the rule of Gods in black robes deciding the matter, I voted for Prop 8. In the future the issue will most likely be presented to the voters in the state, and I’ll vote again against validating life style choices as long as marriage and domestic partnerships rights are equal.

    The same standing for Domestic Partnerships seen in CA does not hold true for other states, with some Republican platforms in the South calling for the termination of entitlement to adoption, medical coverage and other “rights” to gay couples.

    Like it or not, this is one of the “tensions” pulling at the of the Republican party at the national level. What is the stance of the Republican party on this issue?

    Support of full rights comparable to marriage under Domestic Partnership agreements, or a stance against “special rights” for gay couples which mirror those granted to marriages between one man and one woman. I tend to think that a majority of Americans favor equality of rights under marriage and Domestic Partnerships, but what does the Republican party stand for?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I can live with ‘domestic partnerships,’ ‘civil unions,’ and all those other political dodges.

    They do what most proponents of altering marriage say they want: they grant the legal conveniences of marriage.

    However it won’t satisfy the far-left activists, who are aiming for social change, not just legal change. They’re probably right.

  • SteveLA

    Neil

    I agree, but as a defense against “Gay marriage” pointing out that as a matter of legal rights the two are equivalent, you can appeal to those that are not far-left activists. I define that as that as appealing to the squishy middle, the I’s the moderate and others.

    The harder line stance seen in some states Republican party platforms which include restrictions on “rights” makes using the equivalency defense of traditional marriage difficult and I mostly disagree with that point of view.

    I’d also point out that there is no universal answer on the part of the gay marriage debate within the Republican party, even here in CA. There was an initiative that did not make it out of signature collection stage that rolled back many of the Domestic Partnership “rights”, it failed by the way.

    When it comes to satisfying the far-left, not something I give a lot of thought to, I’m more interested in a stance that unites Republicans on the issue and the matter is by no means settled.

  • IJB

    The truly insidious part about “civil unions” is that they undermine *regular* marriage.

    I’ll never support those anymore than SSM…

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Let the states that want to try out the policy, and see what happens. If it works out well enough, we can consider adopting the policy nationally.

    The process is admittedly slow, but it’s also consistent with the GOP’s stated support of local government.

    Moe Lane

    PS: Yes, the same principle can apply to, say, medical marijuana laws.

  • ocleverone

    I have heard how this undermines regular marriage but I have never heard a good reason as to why.

    Can you expand on your point?

    Thanks.

  • ocleverone

    BTW, I had a lamb gyro this weekend in your honor. ;)

  • daveleroy

    Isn’t it ironic that marriage is becoming passe and out of vogue with heterosexuals (single-parent households, unwed pregnancies, divorce rates, abortions) while homosexuals are fighting for marriage? What do they see in marriage- other than legal protections that can be achieved through civil unions and/or domestic partnerships- that heterosexuals fail to see in increasing numbers? Something went wrong somewhere. The world is turning upside down.

  • SteveLA

    IJB

    While I understand the comment, as a “Plank” of the Republican party, the hard line stance does not help win I’s a moderates to the party. I’d assert that it drives the middle away from the party.

    The fact is that probably a majority of people probably know personally a gay person or a gay couple, and while not validating their life style choice I somehow doubt a majority of people support restricting “rights” granted by society and government to domestic partnerships.

    Again, this is one of those issues that the R party is going to have to struggle with, obviously your view is one that is held by some segment of the party. How much compromise space there is on the issue of domestic partnerships, who knows.

  • Achance

    essentially turning marriage into a contractual partnership, a civil union, through “no fault” divorce laws and commonly acquired property laws. I guess that’s why even though I’m pretty opposed to the open homosexual lifestyle, I can’t get too excited about what “gay marriage” or civil unions might do to an institution that already isn’t worth much at the legal level. I’m more supportive of doing away with marriage as a legal entitty and make it a personal or religious committment in which the government has no part. Persons thus committed can then go get their piece of paper from the government that establishes the contractual rights, tax status, etc.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s the same wing of American society pushing for marriage changes, that pushed for easy divorce to begin with.

    That’s not irony. That’s compounding error with error.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=civil+unions+undermine+marriage

  • ocleverone

    I realize that google is my friend but I thought I would search out opinions from people whose writings I have been reading and respect.

    My apologies if this was an annoyance.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • Jeff Weimer

    It’s a privilege, not a right.

    The constitution is silent on the matter, so we are free to decide, legislatively, what constitutes “marriage”. It’s a straight, role-of-government decide-at-the-proper-level issue, and one I can live with, regardless of my personal, religious perspective. I would probably vote against it, if given the opportunity. However, I would abide the decision either way as long as it completed through the proper process.

    My biggest concern is advocates confusing the two and trying to force constitutionally protected rights out of the way – like the photographer in NJ and attempting to force a church to allow an SM on their grounds. With those protections, I have no problem with it at all. They can call it what they want, that’s all semantics anyway.

    Oh, and your point about “sore losers” in CA., you hit the nail on the head. That’s exactly why I have absolutely NO sympathy for those groups. And what was it many of these groups keep telling us, “abandon the social issues, they’re losers for you?” So why do THEY keep a heavy strain in that arena? Hmmmmm, methinks they want us to stop pushing back so they can get their way.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Holy cow. You know they will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever let that happen. There won;t be a referendum and if there was one, they won’t honor the results. They do that all the time.

  • redstatebluestate123

    But it’s a coherent argument that lays out a solid list of logical do’s and dont’s, with good analysis. And a chart!

    Recommended.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    An in-depth handling of this probably is best done in a separate diary.

  • penguin2

    I believe in live and let live, and civil unions give them equal protection under the law. But the social change they are trying to force is to have others condone it, and that is not acceptable to many of us. They’ll be suing churches, pastors, priests to perform SSM, that would be the government interfering in our religious beliefs and practices. While that is unconstitutional, I haven’t seen much lately that reassures me on that point.

    Along with this is exactly what the protections Pres. Bush put in place to protect Catholic hospitals from performing abortions. When the Obama admin get rid of those protections they’ll be suing the hospitals, etc.

    I was reading somewhere, in Europe, Marriage is done in a civil manner, court or registrar office and then by personal preference people can go off and have a marriage ceremony in the religious institution they choose. That allows a church, synagogue, mosque to decide for themselves, based on their religious beliefs, who to perform a marriage ceremony for.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    that lefties will use the powers and precedents set through the courts for a whole different set of issues. Can I say exactly what those are? No, but you know that the lefties will be out to micromanage our lives, because that’s what they feed upon.

    Two men or two women seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as they see fit. It doesn’t directly harm anyone else. Except that the harm through power usurpation and associated systematic leftist indoctrination will undoubtedly harm America and impinge upon my rights in some yet-to-be-realized downstream form.

  • JHancock

    Make sure that SSM is just used and advocated JUST in terms of personal freedom, not as cultural change. I’d be OK with letting homosexual couples have visitation rights, power of attorney, cohabitation rights etc. What I’m not OK with is the “Gay Day” school education programs in California that are teaching school kids about the acceptability and equivalence of alternative lifestyles to traditional marriage and not letting parents opt out. Making sure gays have equivalent rights to us breeders is one thing-and something that even a far right straight Christian conservative could vote for. Trying to force “religious bigots” to view homosexuality as morally equivalent to hetero-marriage by brainwashing their children and limiting their freedom of speech and religion is another, and quite frankly is the reason why there has been so much political backlash to gay marriage, because it hasn’t just been about demanding American rights but forcing social/religious change.

  • danielhill2008

    I think that most reasonable people have little problem with granting same sex couples equal rights with respect to visitation, survivorship, power of attorney, etc., as an operation of law, same as marriage. The problem arises when SSM advocates push for equal acceptance of their lifestyle choice (or not choice, whatever). A majority of people are opposed to that particular lifestyle on deeply held religious grounds, and that’s not likely to change. Whether gayness is a “sin” is an issue likely never to be resolved, but to seek an imprimatur from The Church, the ultimate authority for many people, is overreaching. As JHancock says, it’s focused not on demanding rights, but forcing social/religious change. And that’s not gonna happen.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Yes, they got some enumerated rights, but SSM is constitutionally barred.

  • icbm

    … not that I need to tell you that.

    But I certainly hope that more and more proponents of homosexual marriage come around to your way of thinking. Disdaining fellow citizens simply because they have a reasonable disagreement especially bad for a republic that, by its nature, depends on the exchange of views among equals.

  • bogornes

    Nevada legalized domestic partnerships and New Hampshire legalized same-sex marriage.