(Via Glenn Reynolds) GayPatriot has the right idea here:
Those who want to give people like Barney a say in the running of General Motors (and Chrysler for that matter), that is those who favor Obama’s Auto Plan, can show that they really believe this is the right way to manufacture automobiles by put their money where their mouths are. When it comes time for them to buy a new car, they should buy a GM (or Chrysler) model. Heck, why wait? Show your confidence in this plan by buying one now.
…but he doesn’t take it nearly far enough. We’ve already established that this administration considers falling in with its policy positions to be ‘patriotic‘: and clearly, supporting the GM/Chrysler takeover is falling in with its policy positions. Considering that - as usual - the Political Class is wildly divergent from mainstream America when it comes to this issue, it is clearly their patriotic duty to make certain that the GM/Chysler bailout succeeds. That means selling that hybrid made by a foreign auto company
If they were really loyal, they’d do it.
Moe Lane
PS: Me? When we had to replace the car a couple months ago we went with a Chrysler PT Cruiser
*Hey, it’s better for the environment anyway.
Crossposted to Moe Lane.
No thanks.
bs Thursday, June 11th at 7:46PM EDT (link)I’ll keep my Prius, thank you very much. The closest thing to an American car that I’ll be driving is (maybe) a Harley.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Oh, and...
bs Thursday, June 11th at 8:16PM EDT (link)by the way, Moe - do a Google search on “prius hummer debunked” and you’ll find that the urban legend about Hummers being more environmentally friendly has been torn apart many times over.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Victory Cigarettes, anyone?
Section9 Thursday, June 11th at 8:04PM EDT (link)Just thought I’d ask.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
I'll gladly
redtillimdead Thursday, June 11th at 8:09PM EDT (link)I’ll do anything to a Prius. I’ll shoot it. I’ll beat it. I’ll burn it. Whatever. I hate those cars.
Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.
Why? What's your issue?
bs Thursday, June 11th at 8:14PM EDT (link)Toyota developed that car with no subsidy from the gubmint like GM and the rest will be getting. It’s a free market and that vehicle is no different than any other - no one is being forced to buy them.
Frankly, the vehicles *I* hate are big-ass pickup trucks like Ford F-350s. They can all burn for all I care.
There. I can be just as illogical as anyone else.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
All of them?
JoeG Friday, June 12th at 12:59AM EDT (link)Or just the biggest ones? I have a F350 Crew Cab Long bed dually.
I’m thinking of replacing it with a F450. You can get them with a 10 foot bed.
I carpool with 4 and I beat the miles per passenger gallon rating of a Prius with a single driver so there!
Me too.
itrytobenice Friday, June 12th at 9:42AM EDT (link)Actually, hubby and I each drive a Dodge 3500 4×4 crew cab long bed. With a spare in the barn. And we don’t carpool. But I’d like to see the price of hamburger if those guys who hate our trucks had to haul hay and livestock in their Priuses.
I’m thinking the fact that I can pull a trailer with 20,000 pounds of hay on it through a field and up the road to the barn and then use the same truck to set the hay out and then use the same truck to haul the stock to town is more cost efficient, both with cash and carbon, than any alternative.
The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
I don't have to like something because it's unsubsidized
Neil Stevens Friday, June 12th at 1:59AM EDT (link)A Prius is the only car of its class to come pre-loaded with a false sense of moral superiority.
I don’t hate Toyota for jumping on that market, but I reserve the right to point and laugh at the people the car is marketed to.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
Oh, please.
bs Friday, June 12th at 8:41AM EDT (link)What a load of crap. There is a substantial number (myself included) who simply want good gas mileage to save money. There is no morality involved. Frankly, (as I’ve stated on these pages time after time) I could care less about the carbon footprint of the thing. I’m about the money.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Then you should have bought a Jetta
JoeG Saturday, June 13th at 12:20AM EDT (link)Their diesels are quite a bit less and have far better performance.
Japanese Government Gave Toyota Money
redtillimdead Friday, June 12th at 2:46AM EDT (link)You do know the Japanese government gave Toyota money to develop the Prius? Betcha didnt. Betcha didnt know Toyota asked the Japanese government and EU for a bailout. Maybe if youd get past your hate of GM, you could actually learn something.
Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.
redtillimdead
Kaitian Friday, June 12th at 12:59PM EDT (link)You’re full of crap. The Toyota Corporation did not ask the Japanese government for a bailout. They have enough funding to hold their own. Unlike the Big 3, Toyota did not post consistent net losses. In fact this year was the first time in a long time for Toyota to have posted a loss however they did not ask the Japanese Government for a bailout. It is a law in Japan that Japanese citizens must buy a new car after their previous car goes past a certain mileage or be taxed heavily. This as a result favors many of the country’s automobile corporations. Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Mazda, etc. The loss of the Toyota Corporation in the Japanese market can be sustained as there are many other Japanese automobile corporations to pick up the gap.
Bail out the UAW once.....
dvdmsr Thursday, June 11th at 8:25PM EDT (link)shame on Bush, twice, shame on Obama, but buy a Chrysler, GM, or Fiat…. shame on me.
In true American Rebel fashion, I will continue to wage my boycott of one.
They can take my tax dollars, but they will never get my sale.
The failure of Government motors will be the failure of Obama, this is truly his Vietnam and Iraq. The more they fail, the more he will fails/have to pour money down a rat hole. I smell blood in the water. I only hope the American people learn their lesson quickly.
Now, if only I can expand my boycott to a few more patroits.
Building Bridges Between American Conservatives & Libertarians By Calling For A Return To More Local Control On Social Issues (The Resoration Of Federalism) And To Smaller More Fiscally Responsible Gov’t
Huh?
Neil Stevens Friday, June 12th at 2:10AM EDT (link)We won the shooting war in Vietnam, and we look set to win a lasting victory in Iraq.
If your analogy holds, GM will succeed but the press will paint it as a failure.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
Ditto huh?
dvdmsr Friday, June 12th at 3:51PM EDT (link)Neil, that was not the analogy I was making, rather I was thinking more along the lines of the impact that a “perceived” failure of policy has on elections. By the fall of 1968, public opinion was shifting against the government’s (Democrat’s) Vietnam policy, which I firmly believe helped Nixon (Peace w/ Honor) win the Presidency that year, and the Rs pickup 5 Senate seats and 4 seats in the House as well. By the fall 2006 public opinion was likewise turning against Bush’s Iraq policy which I again firmly believe helped the D’s win big in 2006/8 elections.
I agree the Iraq war was won; the surge worked. Vietnam was a success only in terms of the lessons we learned and used to prevail in later conflicts, like Iraq. The lesson I learned is don’t enter into a conflict unless the whole country is prepared to do what it takes to win it. If we had done that in Korea, the peninsula would be united and free, Castro would never had made it to the Bay of Pigs, and Saddam would have been deposed in 1992.
Did we win Vietnam? Well, let’s just say that topic is best left to another diary; but I think the existence of Ho Chi Minh City pretty much sums up the overall success of our efforts to contain communism in South East Asia. Do not misunderstand me here, the failure there rests not with the American fighting men, who I agree were very successful in the missions they were called to carry out, rather the failure rests with the policymakers.
Building Bridges Between American Conservatives & Libertarians By Calling For A Return To More Local Control On Social Issues (The Resoration Of Federalism) And To Smaller More Fiscally Responsible Gov’t
Do I get any loyalty credit because I once, in a pain med induced state...
USNJIMRET Thursday, June 11th at 9:01PM EDT (link)“thought” about buying a Prius, which I would now willingly sell in order to buy a Ford?
Pry-us
Skanderbeg Thursday, June 11th at 9:23PM EDT (link)Here’s all you need to know about the Prius….
I don't care you y'are...
Josh Painter Thursday, June 11th at 10:57PM EDT (link)that there is funny.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” - Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
HAHA
redtillimdead Friday, June 12th at 2:47AM EDT (link)Thats EXACTLY what I want to do to a Prius!!
Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.
So you bought a PT Cruiser, eh?
bk Thursday, June 11th at 9:54PM EDT (link)Yet another “domestic” car that’s built in Mexico.
AAAAAAAAhahahahahahaha!
Chemical Sam Thursday, June 11th at 10:15PM EDT (link)What the heck! Am I the only dude on here that actually followed the link? You people are too serious sometimes.
Anyway, I was hoping the PT stood for Panzer Tank, and it got 2 miles to the gallon.
Hey Moe, did you buy any of the orange track?
My way out of a recession or depression: Start a new company and start making some serious money! The lab is now ready! — http://www.criterionchemical.com
Besides, GM makes hybrids too!
suzieQ Thursday, June 11th at 10:56PM EDT (link)http://www.gm.com/vehicles/results.jsp?fuel=hybrid&&seo=goo_|_2008_GMBP_Retention_|_IMG_GMBP_GM_Hybrid_|_GM_Hybrid_DKI_1_|_gm_hybrid
“It’s finally happened: Abortion stopped a bleeding heart.”
- Ann Coulter, January 25, 2006
“My concern about the role of the federal government is that an intrusive government, a government that says, ‘Don’t worry, we will solve your problems’ is a government that tends to crowd compassion out of the marketplace, that too often in the past people said: ‘Somebody else will take care of the problem in my area. Don’t worry. The government is here.’”
- George W. Bush October 31, 2000
“Had the decision belonged to Senator Kerry, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today in Iraq. In fact, Saddam Hussein would almost certainly still be in control of Kuwait.”
- Dick Cheney
GM also..
redtillimdead Friday, June 12th at 2:54AM EDT (link)Gm will also make the Chevy Volt Electric car. Wheres Toyotas electric car? GM will sell the Chevy Spark in the US, a fuel-efficent mini car. Why isnt Toyota selling theirs in the US. Get past your false preceptions of GM and Toyota people. Actually do some research and learn about the car industry, and you would realize Toyota isnt the perfect company with a halo around its head. Toyota LOST MORE than GM last quarter. Toyota has worked 2 workers to death in Japan. Toyota make the least fuel efficent trucks and SUVS. GM makes the most fuel efficent trucks and SUVs. GM makes the most hybrids. GM makes the 2nd most fuel efficent mid-sizer, the Malibu, 1st until the Ford Fusion. GM makes the most fuel-efficent compact car, the Chevy Cobalt XFE. GM has a mid-size CUV with better fuel-economy than a compact Toyota Corolla; without being a hybrid. The 2010 Cadillac CTS is expected to get a best in class 28 MPG. The 2010 Chevy Equinox small SUV gets 32 mpg, without a hybrid. GM’s large Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia, and Buick Enclave have better fuel-economy than the smaller Toyota Highlander, a best-in-class 26 mpg. GM’s Chevy Camaro has 29 mpg with 304 HP. GM got government LOANS, not a bailout!! GM WILL pay back those loans. Do some research on the new GM. They have some of the best cars, bet youll learn something.
Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.
I think you're missing the sarcasm somewhere (nt)
Neil Stevens Friday, June 12th at 3:15AM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
Some infrastructure additions will be necessary for these small cars to be eco-friendly in the US
6eorge Jetson Friday, June 12th at 12:53AM EDT (link)For one, our metal recycling containers are no where near large enough to handle a small car. How exactly is one of these
going to fit in one of these?
Maybe we Americans will just have to stop growing once we reach Liliputan height.
Pa-dump-pah <font ="OldLace">Take 2</font>
6eorge Jetson Friday, June 12th at 12:55AM EDT (link)For one, our metal recycling containers are no where near large enough to handle a small car. How exactly is one of these
going to fit in one of these?
Maybe we Americans will just have to stop growing once we reach Liliputan height.
I happen to like my Civic Hybrid
Lammo Friday, June 12th at 1:33AM EDT (link)but when it goes (it will be a while - it is a Honda) I will make the most “disloyal” purchase I can find to replace it. For now though, I like having Pro-Life, NRA and GOP stickers on it. Bound to make a liberal head or two explode!
ACORN: Association of Criminals Obama Represented in the Nineties. (jupitersuite)
Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (Fr. John Corapi, SOLT)
Crime never takes a holiday. (Dennis J. O’Shea, R.I.P.)
Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird. (Ooold joke)
Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read. (Groucho Marx)
Most Loyal Purchase...
rbdwiggins Friday, June 12th at 8:16AM EDT (link)Buy a Hummer… The H3x is Bad, and the H3 Alpha is totally made of Awesome.
It’s extremely patriotic as well. The Hummer is manufactured in America by American Auto Workers, and since it averages 15 mpg, you can be assured that you’ll be doing your part to support “Big Oil.”
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Lammo
mom2oneson Friday, June 12th at 9:55AM EDT (link)Drive to the health food store! I always see tons of lib stickers there!
I have a Honda too it has over 300,000 miles but it has an oil leak I have to put more oil in it every few weeks. Other than the oil, needing new tires and the a/c is broke it has no issues.:)
Burn the Prius and buy a Ford!!!
Michael Dugas Friday, June 12th at 2:24AM EDT (link)I kid..I kid…seriously, I’m kidding. I don’t want to hear on tomarrows news “Right Wingers Threaten to Torch Environmentally Friendly Cars!”
Still…buy a Ford. They’re going to need the support.
Government and Union run automakers will be uniquely positioned to offer incentives that only they can there by creating a market environment hostile to Non-Gov’t/Union owned automakers.
The conflict of interest is huge, it’s going to kill competativness. It’s just plain wrong. Who’s going to be representing who if there’s a labor conflict that’s going to cost the company money. Will the Union, now an owner and loving the influx of money, side with those they say they also represent? And the huge risk of corruption with the government owning a business competing
against other businesses…can you not see them using their governing power in an advantageous manner and to the detriment
of their competition.
I really hope that the people of this country speak with their wallets and hearts when they go to make that car or truck purchase.
Buy Ford…The Original American Automaker.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Of course Ford is still deeply in bed with the UAW... (nt)
Neil Stevens Friday, June 12th at 2:38AM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
We'll see how "Deep" that is after they are
Michael Dugas Friday, June 12th at 7:02AM EDT (link)competing for the same sales dollars. Ford will realize real quick
just how unfair they’ll be treated. Don’t think for A MINUTE that the unions won’t use their influence with the workers at non gov’t run automakers to make their lives hell and eventually get them flipped over and in the same position as GM and Chrysler.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Burn the Prius and buy a Ford!!! *Kowalski Warning*
Michael Dugas Friday, June 12th at 2:48AM EDT (link)Now that it’s coming out how that this Administration has been strong arming, threatening and criminally misusing government authority “against” privately owned businesses, banks and financial institutions
our voices, votes and dollars will speak wonders in response to their behavior.
There has been some limited legal action against this administrations actions in relation to the auto industry but right now, while their ratings are on the down slope and people are starting to wake up to what Obama’s doing, we need to start using the courts against them. Obama and his administration, it seems to me, have gone over the line many times over in their handling of the economy.
Enough so that a battery of lawsuits might be able to halt or at the very least be able to lessen the damage Obama is attempting to do. Unfair trade violations, tax and regulation conflicts, the Unions involvement and its conflicts etc. Even if we can’t outright win we might be able to hold them off till next election.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
You're assuming judges
Karina Friday, June 12th at 4:13AM EDT (link)will stand strong enough for long enough to matter. As we saw with the SCOTUS this week on the Chrysler decision, it’s not happening. Everyone is running scared.
Stop confusing me with the facts, I’m making up my own imagination. ~My grandmother who voted for Obama
I'm aware that the Judiciary is lacking in areas
Michael Dugas Friday, June 12th at 6:56AM EDT (link)but slowing down and lessening the blood flow as best we can is also
important. And there is the chance we might even win a few of them
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
It's hard to put faith in a system
Karina Friday, June 12th at 7:22AM EDT (link)that is getting eroded so quickly. It’s not so much a problem of lessening the blood flow but finding a place to cauterize before we lose the patient all together.
Stop confusing me with the facts, I’m making up my own imagination. ~My grandmother who voted for Obama
Yeah I agree, keeping the "Faith" is getting
Michael Dugas Friday, June 12th at 11:20AM EDT (link)tougher and tougher. But, short of violence, which none of us want, it’s the system we have and we need to use it fast and hard while being on the right and conservative is still legal.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Just make sure you're stocking up on
The_Gadfly Friday, June 12th at 3:20PM EDT (link)gold, silver, pistols, rifles, ammo, and non-hydrid seeds while you keep repeating that.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
organic sprouting seeds too :) nt
mom2oneson Friday, June 12th at 3:44PM EDT (link)I actually have a large seed bank.....
Michael Dugas Friday, June 12th at 4:11PM EDT (link)funny you should mention that. I won’t get into the contents of my gun safe. Some how I don’t think that’s a good idea these days. But my seed bank I am proud of. I have a huge variety of heirloom seeds as well as hybrid seeds that are resistant to bugs and diseases in my part of the country. I ALWAYS have a garden though it’s not of the scale I used to do when I was young and we were hungry. I “can”, Put-up, preserve all sorts of fruits and veggies. I pickle a wide variety also and make sauces, jellies and jams. My grandparents on my mothers side were orphans who were adopted and raised by the Amish and they in turn raised me. We raised pigs, chickens, guinea hens, ducks and rabbits and grew about everything you can think of.
To this day, in all my 46 years, I have NEVER…EVER known anyone who can flat out cook as good as my Granny did. Man the memories are so great, we were dirt poor but we didn’t know it. Snapping peas, picking spinach, sneaking into the pantry late at night and opening a mason jar of preserved peaches and eating each slice of peach like it was manna from heaven…and it was.
I’d pay anything to go back to those days for a visit.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
that was beautiful nt
mom2oneson Friday, June 12th at 4:38PM EDT (link)