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‘Don’t tell me words don’t matter.’

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  June 20th, 2009 at 10:47 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

It’s not just us who listen to our broadcasts, you know.

President Obama argued yesterday that there is little difference between Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and challenger Mir-Hossein Mousavi on policies critical to the U.S.

“It’s important to understand that although there is amazing ferment taking place in Iran, that the difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi in terms of their actual policies may not be as great as has been advertised,” the president told CNBC.

Via @allahpundit.



Mark Steyn:

…Fortunately, President Obama was far more judicious. And in return, instead of denouncing him as “evil” and deploring the quality of his radio programming, Ayatollah Khamenei said Obama’s “agents” had been behind the protests: “They started to cause riots in the street, they caused destruction, they burnt houses.” But that wasn’t all the Great Satin did. “What is the worst thing to me in all this,” sighed the supreme leader, “are comments made in the name of human rights and freedom and liberty by American officials . . . What? Are you serious? Do you know what human rights are?”

And then he got into specifics: “During the time of the Democrats, the time of Clinton, 80 people were burned alive in Waco. Now you are talking about human rights?”

It’s unclear whether the “Death to the U.K.” chanters switched at this point to “Democrats lied, people fried.” But you get the gist. The President of the United States can make nice to His Hunkalicious Munificence the Supremely Supreme Leader of Leaders (Peace Be Upon Him) all he wants, but it isn’t going to be reciprocated.

By the way, this is also what ‘keeping cool’ looks like. And I can’t for the life of me figure out how a full-throated, American avocation of the joys of liberty and democracy would have hurt the situation any.

Moe Lane

Crossposted to Moe Lane.

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  • Tbone

    experience.

  • rebate

    [And here's an apropos video. - ML]

    With Irans “One Man Ruler”, The Supreme Leader, these elections are a mute issue anyway. The Supreme Leader has the final say “On Everything”. The President is just a mouth piece. Until Irans constitution is changed, taking The Supreme Leaders powers away, nothing changes! I would have to say that ” the chickens have come home to roost” because Iran wanted this type of government back in the late 1970′s with their so-called revolution.

  • olsmithie
  • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

    After seeing that video, that is the only site appropriate word I have for the leaders that would authorize the shooting of your own citizens.

  • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

    This should serve as a stark reminder of what a government is not willing to do if it allows its citizens to be armed. That is the intent of our Second Amendment.

  • olsmithie
  • E Pluribus Unum

    All those enablers in the press also helped create this situation.

    That’s a new breed of patriot showing up in Iran right now. We had the chance to be Lafayette. We could have played a part in it. But no.

  • bs

    I used that one to describe Fluffy a few months ago.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    But I think it was Rafsanjani (sp?, former president) who went to Khatami to ask for free, fair elections, and was denied.

    Ahmadinejad is Khatami’s mouthpiece. Defeat one and you deal a blow to the other.

  • USNJIMRET

    With the same result, no leadership what so ever.

  • Steve Foley

    Obama’s reaction and response to this issue is keeping with his own time honored position of “Voting Present” when asked to make tough decisions.

    Also he may have been waiting for the poll numbers to come in before deciding witch way to come down on this issue.

    Unfortunately automatically standing up for the side that is right is not this presidents default position.

  • http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme

    Looks like the Iranian regime aren’t going to be renaming any town Obamayousexaymanyouville any time soon.

  • IJB

    Sooner or later, displaying no leadership comes back to bite you in the keister.

    Chickens always come home to roost…

  • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

    The point was – CHANGE -
    You should be able to understand that, Barry.
    They had one tiny bit of freedom; “Choose any one of these from our approved list.”
    It was like the old shell game, only somebody peeked under the other cups and found Ahmadinejad was under all of them.
    Now even that tiny freedom was taken from them.
    Wouldn’t YOU be pissed too, Barry?
    Well maybe not, if you were the one under the cups.
    Come to think of it, isn’t that what 2012 is all about for you? Maybe you’re rigging a shell game here and you don’t like what you see came in Iran as a result?
    Pay attention to the result, and multiply it by about five times, Wonder why we’re upset about Acorn and all the other little scams?
    Pay attention…

  • johnt

    just what that phrase means, the full import of it. That there is a state so low, a debasement so foul, that the human feeling of contempt cannot encompass it, that words begin to fail.
    Hussien Obama, an utter disgrace to his country and any humane understanding of decency.
    And yet we may expect more and worse from this ugly creature.
    Thank you Reality Based Community. for giving us this saint of progress and change.

  • bobojake

    obama and rev wright either

  • Brian Hibbert

    “Present!”

  • anotherindyfilmguy

    but not any words from the “O”… in fact although it usually seems he does the opposite of what he says in this case I don’t think he can be trusted to be even that consistent… consistent inconsistency-the bane of US foreign policy for decades/generations…

    p.s. published “Babar the Jihadi” the other day…
    https://www.createspace.com/228685
    also on Amazon.com etc… buy a copy, send it to your favorite state sponsor of terrorism because you know someone there will be forced to watch it before blacklisting it… etc…

  • avgamerican

    In other times it would have been. The media downplayed it just as they did with Bill Ayers and Rezko. As far as I am concerned those videos should be saved to remind voters what they chose to ignore. Attending church and allowing your daughters to be baptized there shows an inner heart belief.

  • Brian Hibbert

    John Trevino tweeting a link to this video.

    http://bit.ly/n50qL

    He can’t just stand by and allow this to happen without doing SOMETHING! Anything!

    “Present” doesn’t cut it.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    It just hurts us to see it, that’s all.

  • Brian Hibbert

    I’m a bit upset and not proof reading well.

  • DONTREADONME

    well isn’t that just peachy.

  • DONTREADONME

    unfortunately, one side has an unfair advantage.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    when you don’t mean them

  • DONTREADONME

    yeah that will strike fear in the heart of the dictatorship.

  • Mario

    The President could have saved himself a lot of hassle with this inconvenient revolution if he had only appointed a Freedom Czar to do his liberty promotion for him.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    Iran, not so much

  • izoneguy

    This girl was not a thug…
    Iranian thugs are killing the most innocent of all.

    WARNING: STRONG GRAPHIC CONTENT
    Not imbedded on purpose.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbdEf0QRsLM&feature=player_embedded

  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    That would likewise be ‘meddlin.

  • USNJIMRET

    Do we have something akin to that should there be angry voices at some future gathering/demonstration here?
    How can this ‘man’, who no doubt has seen worse then that one video, make no stronger a statement then “the world is watching”??
    Watching what, Government sponsored/tolerated murder?
    As someone said earlier, beneath contempt!

  • mom2oneson

    Do you mean Khamenei instead of Khatami. Khatami was presdient after Rafsanjani. Khatami likes Mousavi and is definately not a mouthpiece for Ahmadinejad.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I was so focused on trying to get Rafsanjani right that I blew the Grand Ayatollah or King Kleagle or Fuehrer or whatever they call him.

  • izoneguy

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/20/iranian-police-throwing-teargas-at-protestors-in-tehran/

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/06/defying-islamic-terror-regime-fierce-clashes-on-tehran-streets-iranians-protesters-are-met-with-tear.html

  • erniefromnebraska

    doesn’t speak out in favor of the protesters, Iranian State television nevertheless is reporting that Obama support the uprising: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uab4Cps_VGQ (see video at about 4 minutes), so the Iranian people are getting that message whether Obama likes it or not.

  • izoneguy

    pissed enough that he tells Israel to go ahead and bomb, bomb Iran…….

  • caddis

    In the face of extreme violence and thuggery on the part of the authorities, the protesters in Iran showed extreme bravery. If you want to see real freedom fighters look no further. They are dying for their beliefs. Mousavi has finally taken an extremely bold step and declared his readiness for martyrdom. Wow. Few thought he had that in him. Much like Nixon, with his deep conservative bona fides, was the right person at the right time to buck his own party and open relations with China, and much as that nearly happened with Sharon, there was some thought that Ahmadinejad might have been the right person at the right time to buck the conservatives in Iran and open relations with America or at least the West. I was always skeptical of this, but who knows as it was clear that many of his outrageous statements were as much theater as real ideology. I always thought that he overplayed the buffoon to such an extent that he wouldn’t be taken seriously either outside or inside Iran if he had attempted such relations. Now Mousavi has gone to the next level and moved to remove the conservatives from power, to bring in a government for the people and by the people. There is no need for the conservative maverick when the conservatives have lost control of their country. I don’t know whether the brave citizens of Iran who have protested against the tyranny of the present government have sufficient strength to withstand the onslaught being brought upon them by the police and the military, but regardless of outcome Mousavi, if the reports of his readiness for martyrdom remain true, has distinguished himself in a way that few men do. My prayers go out to him and to the people in Iran fighting tyranny.

  • mom2oneson

    (or Quome however you wish to spell it)earlier in the week demostrated what a leader he is.

  • caddis

    Well, we did finally see world leaders take to the pulpit today, not just Obama, but all the others who have cautiously been idling on the sidelines. I think Obama’s full text, as near as I can tell as our media seems to be even more silent than our leaders, is as thus:

    “The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

    As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion.

    Martin Luther King once said – ?The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.? I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples? belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness”

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/06/barack-obama-iran-protest-statement.html

  • mom2oneson

    It just stood out to me. :) I think we all associate the Kha_i and Iranian politics with Khatami. Khamenei is not as known.
    Mousavi and Khatami have helped one another for a long time. :)

  • izoneguy

    take years. I don’t think Obama will lift a finger to help but we might be surprised by the european response. They have the most to loose right now to radical Islam.

  • Max Venom

    Not so fast bashing BHO. In Iran, this isn’t about human rights insofar as the ruling elite is concerned. Its a ruling elite power struggle, and the Iranian people are being used like pawns. Obama makes a valid point, in at the end of the day, whoever “wins” will be the same nuts in the cookoo’s nest.

  • rick554

    “Ferment” is one of the code-words of a community organizer, NOT the President. This is a shame

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    It’s not supporting one political candidate over another – that’s up to Iranians to decide.

    The issue regards reckless and shameless overriding of the election results that makes a complete mockery of the democratic process – and the ruthless actions to suppress protests and the lawless tactics that the ruling agents are using to injure, kill, silence opponents.

    In other words, we’re standing up for people who want their voices to be heard and for the rule of law, imperfect as it may be in Iran today.

  • http://www.murdockmediablog.com Patrick_Murdock
  • 1stRichard

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/murder.asp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRmZLfUahRs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHq1iolS0QU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHGs9cb2z4I

    Freighting thought, Obama wants US to be more like some of these 3rd world socialized nations?

  • anotherindyfilmguy

    of “Freedom Day”?

    don’t eat that flag…

  • http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme

    Her name was Neda.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    as they shape their arguments to blindly cheer for Zero.

    Incumbent A exerts his dictorial power. When the results of a sham election are challenged en masse by the population, A crushes the revolt into submission.

    Challenger M, of similar background to A, contests A in an election. When A steals the election, M observes a massive defiance of A, and sees the the brave will of the population prevail against A’s armed force. M assumes the leadership role with the knowledge that the people are capable of ousting a dictator.

    Of the two choices, Incumbent A in the wake of smashing the rebellion, or Challenger M in the wake of a population that has asserted its will, would be more guided by the will of the people?

    Hmmnn…I’ll have to think about that one.

  • truerationalthoughts

    Those of us with Iranian family members still in Iran are asking you to stop, think and listen. Stating an explicit stance, such as the resolution recently passed in the house, would most certainly be used by the current regime that we all want to fail, as a tool to label the opposition as puppets of foreign governments. Your vocal solidarity, while very much appreciated, can and will be used by that despotic and desperate regime to claim that they represent true independence in Iran. To express your genuine care for the people of Iran please refrain from such statements. Your continued push for such statements/actions will only leave folks to ponder two things: 1) you lack the knowledge in understanding the region, its history and how real people from there resent foreign intervention or 2) you do have a complete understanding of the region yet continue on this course to enable the current regime to survive, in the hopes of provoking a confrontation perhaps a military one at that. I hope its the former but if its that latter, please do not waste time. Suit up and get to Iran perhaps you have the courage to stand with the people and face arrests, beatings and bullets.

  • Paul_In_Houston

    …that the horror stories turning up do NOT seem to end with the protesters running for their lives and giving up completely. The casualties appear to stem from them continuing their resistance.

    The first time a policeman raised his riot stick and stalked towards a protester, expecting him to run as usual, but the protester just stood there and looked back at him, and it was the policeman that backed down and walked away, was probably the start of a fire that has taken on a life of its’ own.

    The biggest problem with being an oppressor depending on fear, is “GOD HELP YOU” if they ever STOP being afraid of you.

    Yeah, the security forces are reacting, but it’s damned hard to stuff the djinni back into the bottle; ain’t it?

    -

  • izoneguy
  • DONTREADONME

    Maybe they are trying to send a message to the Western World. I wonder, which countries have English as their primary language? For those lefties coming by, it is America, Canada and Britian; however, the universal business language is English.

  • $peciallist

    awesome

  • $peciallist

    this crowd doesn’t share dinnerjacket’s thoughts on holocaust denial..

  • DONTREADONME

    No word yet from the MSM about the possibility that these protestors want Iran to fail. Neither the “View”, Charles Barkely or James Carville could be reached for comment.

  • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

    This’ll give you hope, they wear it with pride.
    Photobucket

  • DONTREADONME

    husband? Oh my his husband is probably a wreck if he did not do it. In this country, if your wife has a shiner, you are responsible. Of course even if the wife pleads that she got is by a typical garden rake.

  • TNJim

    Madcow either. Give MSDNC time…..

    Of course, the’ll just be picking apart what talk radio said about it hours earlier.

  • mom2oneson
  • mom2oneson

    our support of Iraq during their war with them too in addition to their anti-American/anti-western ideas.

  • mom2oneson

    I wouldn’t go as far as we should say nothing. They are killing unarmed people that haven’t done any crimes. I didn’t like what Pence wrote though I thought it looked like a copy and paste from yahoo news.

  • mom2oneson

    doesn’t he have people telling him about their differences. Neither one are new to government there. It doesn’t matter what is advertised he can see what Mousavi has done so far. He presented it like they are both new and we have to judge it by what they said in their campaigns alone.

  • mom2oneson

    well learned in Iranian culture, politics, philosophy that could formulate a statement that respects their independence from the West but tells Khamenei to stop too. I know your point is any statement would be bad because but I think with the killings we have an obligation but it should be a good one. I don’t just mean polite I mean really someone that understands their thought and Iranian identity.

  • Doc Holliday

    been here 1 day, making claims about family in Iran and how we should not defend those confronting a mad regime hell bent on armageddon.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    More specifically, one should support the basic human rights of freedom and self-determination starting with the context of free, fair elections. Remember our own revolution? Of course you do, and it had nothing to do with a political candidate. It was about basic human ideals and unalienable rights. The rest was naturally superfluous.

    Iran is a very complex society and I would not trust Mousavi for one moment. He is part of the old guard and will cut his deal with the mullahs when the pot gets big enough. Mousavi will leave these protesters in the streets and call for a return to “civility”. They will be his useful idiots- mark my words. So in that respect, “The One” is getting some pretty good advice.

    What should be supported, loudly, with clarity and a firm, resounding voice is the very basic principal of liberty. That encouragement comes naturally from the heart because one believes in it innately and without any qualification. It furthermore takes a leader to articulate that message in a way which provides sensible encouragement and a sense of unity; in a way that says “we have your back, we are with you and will support you to the end”.

    Mr. Obama does not speak in that manner because it is not indigenous to his thinking or relative to his beliefs. The situation in Iran is simply another opportunity for political obfuscation and demurral. Once again, it is not about principals- it is about politics and concepts foreign to our Republic and way of life.

    In the meantime voices crying out for freedom will be silenced in the night. They will fade away like old print on a newspaper. All because those who could make a difference lacked courage and principled convictions; absolutely sad and disgusting.

    Iranians, we the people of the United States are with you, unequivocally. Irrespective of what are so-called “leaders’ say.

  • Tbone

    instead I’ll say screw you, you phoney troll.

  • mom2oneson

    but he has some good points about the way they view the US. I’ve seen it and heard it and I’m not a troll, I’ve been here for one year. Pence’s statement needs to be redone and carefully crafted by someone that understand their point of view. The killings should be spoken against thought no matter how they say it though, that isn’t a cultural thing.

  • Tbone

    “The killings should be spoken against thought no matter how they say it though, that isn?t a cultural thing.”

    “Pence?s statement needs to be redone and carefully crafted by someone that understand their point of view.”

    Well Barry the Muslim Teleprompter should be able to do that shouldn’t he?

    Don’t fall for the chicken hawking lefty troll crap and don’t parrot it. For cryin’ out loud, you’ve been here a year and you haven’t learned that?

  • 1stRichard

    Tweets

    Huffpost – Iran Updates (VIDEO): Live-Blogging The Uprising

    99% of tweets are from US backing a BLOODY revolution. People are dying. STOP destabilizing the Iranian state!

    Huffpost Connection? Ok, let?s see how the right gets blamed

    Words do matter, we much choose them carefully

  • Max Venom

    What democratic process? Iran isn’t a democracy, their elections are administered under a Theocratic Islamic Republic. They cannot make a mockery of any democratic process that isn’t owned by the people.

    BHO stands behind peaceful protest and has spoken out against the governments use of deadly force. I think he gets it.

    I stand with the Iranian people. They want more freedoms. The real question is how many innocent Iranians will be murdered at the hand of their own government before the world does something about it? At the end of the day, rhetoric is meaningless, this situation requires a global repudiation and a response. What action would you take?

  • Mike gamecock DeVine

    I saw pics of Iranians smiling as they voted on June 12 and saw the huge turnout and can’t help but think that many were motivated by the hope that their election, this time, would be like the ones their neighbors in Iraq and Afghanistan have had.

    And then to see the sham so clearly….

    Voila!

    We have been the Shining City for two centuries. We liberated millions from communism; Iraq, etc. We surrounded the evil regime in Iran.

    What now? Lots, behind the scenes and depending on how this progresses, this neo-con would be for more, so long as our aid is requested by the freedom fighters themselves, but I suspect they can get this done on their own.

  • reaganiterepublicanresistance

    Our False Prophet appears to have no idea what a golden opportunity he?s passing up? overthrow this evil regime without firing a single shot? get their Armageddon-inspired nuke program off the world stage? and free 30 million people all at one time.

    But the boy wonder is too stupid to see it? or somehow just doesn?t care?

    And isn?t this what George W Bush told you was going to happen in the Middle East in the wake of Iraq?s liberation?
    Maybe that?s why Barack Obama has so little apparent interest in finishing the job in Iran? no matter how much it benefits the US and free world.

    That, and the fact that he?s already piled all his chips on legitimizing this vile regime- a democratic revolution at this point would be embarrassing.

    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/

  • Max Venom

    I think they will be crushed. Their society is unarmed. Molotav cocktails are no match.

    Two points:

    - All Americans should take note, and thank our founding fathers for the 2nd amendment.

    - America will not intervene, regardless of outcome. And this is sad. As much as I despise the French, I owe them for aiding our founding fathers. Had they not of stepped up, we would be living under the British flag today.

    The saddest thing about BHO is he will NEVER put troops in Iran, no matter how much bloodshed is spilled. He doesn’t see America as the same shining city on a hill. He sees America as a tyrant. And that is tragic.

  • Mike gamecock DeVine

    I suspect the situation will not be stable and, there does seem to be a chance that they can win.

    I agree with you that we should do more and would not rule out even US troops in a limited role on request and in specific circumstances.

  • truerationalthoughts

    Tbone, DocHolliday and some others on this site resorted to name calling and degrading remarks rather than thoughtful responses to my post.

    Just to be clear, I am not a troll, After I posted my comments some disagreed with me, thats fine. However, the fact the some chose to make negative comments as to my family in Iran, the length of time I have been registered to this site, as if that matters? Obviously some decided that since my views did not conform to what they expected to hear, they would just hurl schoolyard tuants.

    Mom2oneson, kudos to you for having the ability to hear a point and offer insightful, educated counter points. The fact is that what I stated earlier is the truth. Tbone and DocHolliday clearly exposed their lack of intelligence and understanding of the subject at hand,

  • truerationalthoughts

    nothing else to say to you.

  • novimir

    I strongly support Obama stand as does most of the Iranian community in America. His statement was aimed at reducing as much as possible any attempt to paint Mousavi is favored choice of the US government. Pence is just playing into the hands of our enemies.

    Obama statement is correct in my estimation if you restrict the comparison to between Ahmedinejad and Mousavi to the right to have a continuing nuclear program. This is a point of national pride across the board in Iran.

    I would like to know if Obama was intentional vague by design or does he view them as similar across the board, because if you look at Iranian internal politics there is a tremendous difference. This election will either be a bridge towards a religious dictatorship or a return to a religious elite holding the reigns of power but allowing a truly democratic vote for elected positions ala Khatami being elected so the public can have a say on where they want Iran to go.

  • truerationalthoughts

    what you are talking about Doc Holliday. And yes my family is in Tehran, I lived there too and I hope that you study Iran’s history more before commenting as blindly as you have. Thank you.

  • mbecker908

    I just can’t think of what those might be. What I do know is that the current government in Iran is a direct threat to the US and to Israel. I know they have supplied arms, technology and people to support the terrorist factions in both Iraq and Lebanon. The government of Iran is a government that is in a state of war with the US and has been for 30 years.

    Sorry about your family in Tehran, but we should be openly supporting anti-government forces in Iran in any and every way we can. The Iranian people have tolerated this government for 30 years. If they get nuclear weapons we should preemptively strike (which we probably won’t) and kill everything that even remotely looks like a theocrat in Iran.

    Concerned about your family? You should be on the front line of people ACTIVELY working for regime change, not whining about the “history” of Persia.

  • DONTREADONME

    they have already used the U.S. as the reason for the trouble. Do you not watch your supreme leader?

  • Mike gamecock DeVine

    That the uprising in Iran is huge and more significant that democracy movements would be in Egypt, Jordan, etc because in Iran, they are throwing off an Islamic theocracy after experiencing it for 30 years and that the people doing it are still very religious but have seen that theocracy’s are despotic and don’t produce good econ and other results.

    They will be moving toward a more secular, practical governance.

  • DONTREADONME

    on Iranian thought, you seem to be parroting the same line I have heard now for a week. Yet I have seen evidence that the effect you describe is ex post facto, and that means has already happened. So, we here are not scared to speak out against the Iranian regime, so I respectfully say go elsewhere. Besides, I will not sit quietly and watch people killed for speaking out which seems to be what you are advertising.

    Trust me, we follow your logic and people will die, if not it is because they quit this whole protest without accomplishing anything; therefore, I hope your family is happy.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    having family members in Iran and all.

  • mom2oneson

    with the gov breathing down their neck they do not like. Look at what issue they picked up to gain support when the Shah made the veil illegal. Another reason we need to form statements that respect their identity as Iranians that was another issue they used too. Good point about the economy, Rsafajani and Khatami both wanted better economies could only do so much economically with the sanctions they were under IMHO.

  • mom2oneson

    It’s common for the left to pick out one issue or problem and one not understand the real cause of it and secondly come up with some crazy solution. That doesn’t mean there isn’t an actual issue or problem that needs to be solved. I think the AP artickles are wacky too, it shows how ignorant they are of Iranian politics.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    has unleashed trolls all over the internet — all over twitter — spreading disinformation and government sponsored propaganda.

    On twitter they are easy to spot — most of them registered in the last two to three days and began immediately spouting disinformation.

    Same for internet sites…

    …I’m sure you understand our cynicism.

  • mbecker908

    They need to understand one thing about us. If they become a nuclear threat we will preemptively kill every last living thing on the Persian peninsula and nobody will able to exist there for the next 30,000 years.

    I don’t give a tinker’s dam about “their issues”. If the people want a democracy we should do everything possible, and then some, to help them. If they want to continue on the path they’re on because they perceive we’ve hurt their feelings then I’m fine sending the whole lot of them to a fiery hell. And I’ll sleep like a baby in the aftermath.

  • mbecker908

    We should be “your best friend and your worst enemy”.

  • ocleverone

    To me, it seems you are asking us to be quiet, to not speak – on our own soil – about a murderous, despotic regime. Just remain quiet. In case you haven’t figured it out, that’s not how we react unless a Telepromter is doing the talking for us.

    First, I will say a prayer for the safety of your family in Tehran and all other Iranians during this time. Not only for their safety but for courage to stand their ground.

    Second, I question the anger of foreign invention. I have been watching the videos and I have seen more “GAP”, Polo, and other Western garb than at my son’s college. I had posted before, if the Iranian citizens weren’t sending a message to the West, why are their protest signs in English? I suspect while there is distrust of the West, there has also been some embracing of the Western culture in the past 30 years. So would that be self intervention? Whether or not there is mistrust of the West, knowing even your powerful enemy stands in solidarity with your goals, can give people strength to continue their struggle.

    While I can appreciate your fear for your family, please don’t ask us to be quiet when there is an injustice being perpetrated on the world.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    My bad.

  • DONTREADONME

    Iranian expert; therefore, I do not understand the cultural nuiances. I do understand that when a hardline dictatorial nation is under stress from internal political strife it is not uncommon for them to blame the outside powers that be. Every time a totalitarian nation moves towards freedom the United States is used as the backdrop for interference, Ukraine is the last example in 2004, Georgia more recently.

    I understand that their is something going on in Iran, but it is not in my nature to sit quietly when the my U.S. holds power in the eyes of Iranians to influence their confidence to escalate the situation to the next step. Unfortunately, I do not see the change so sought by us without bloodshed since the political class is the only one with power to cause the changes without conflict; therefore, I do not see the Supreme Leader allowing the country to make the 200 year leap anytime soon.

    By nature, I have a reflexive response to inaction like what the commentor above in this thread. Tough response seems to be the only thing that humans understand quite clearly. I have learned people get out of my way I as a 6’4″ 220 lbs man with a clinched jaw rather than smiling holding the hand of your wife acting like life is great.

  • mom2oneson

    as far as nuclear weapons. What I am talking about is making a statement or communication to support the protestors apart from the stop killing unarmed people statement or interventions.

  • DONTREADONME

    you get the job done around here with all of your posts and moderator duty. We can not expect you to do everything all of the time. Besides, we seem to be handling these kinds rather well tonight. As opposed to my usual outbursts “who stepped on the trolls nest”. Keep up the good work, yes compliments are needed therapy on occasion.

  • DONTREADONME

    did not catch the clothes worn by the protesting Iranians; however, it finally dawned on me yesterday (which you have already determined) that their signs are in English so who are they trying to reach, Canadians? Maybe I read your comment the other day, and forgot, then I thought I had a brilliant revelation and it was all subliminal. :(

  • DONTREADONME

    I have had some thoughts about the Iran-Iraq war, I think at the end of this conflict we began supplying arms to Iran in 1985? I always was under the impression that the U.S. had no desire to see either side to succeed in that conflict. I could be wrong since the Iran-Contra scandal has never really been solidified in my mind.

  • mom2oneson

    I may be wrong, maybe the US didn’t support Iraq. I know many Iranians believe we did though and there is resentment for that. Maybe it’s just propaganda. If it’s true or just more US hating lies some believe it is true and have resentment over it, we need to be aware of their perception of us when communicating with them, the people, not just the head of state there. Now it’s not the college students protesting but people that are 40ish+ that are going to could have these feelings. For example you and I didn’t feel Vietnam like our parents or grandparents did. So many Iranians there lost a male relative in that war. It’s very sad. :(

  • DONTREADONME

    supporting Iraq as far as i can tell, I am just saying that the desire for either side to win was definitely not in the interest of the U.S. I was just giving you a second opinion of the Iran-Iraq war. You are right though, the only thing that matters in what the Iranian’s think of that; however, they know who possesses the power in the world, and having a U.S. ally could inspire more to take a risk and protest. Again, I also think we need to remain Americans when it comes to dealing with Iran. To be otherwise would only be fooling ourselves and the Iranians. For good measure :)

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    This particular winner got all huffy because he thought I called him a chickenhawk, not a chickenhawker. Swear to God, they make it far too easy for me to validate my decisions.

  • DONTREADONME

    to help you sleep at night. :)

  • Max Venom

    How do I access your archives? When I click on your name, it routes me to your profile page with your latest comments.

    I’m a newbie… so go easy on me

  • TNJim

    ou can do it 2 ways:

    You can use the search box at the top of the page. Just enter gamecock or the user name of whoever’s archives you want to see, or in the address bar of your browser enter www.redstate.com/gamecock The latter is more direct.

  • Max Venom

    That is like driving in Japan. Not a straight street in the entire country.

    Thanks.

  • DONTREADONME

    I will be down your way tomorrow at 14:00, 2nd floor. long hair, remember