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Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D) and two House Resolutions.

The one that you want to look up is H. Con. Res. 135.

I tried to stay out of the entire bizarre meltdown that was the Jackson funeral. Really, I did.

So when Representative Sheila Jackson-Lee (Democrat. Oh, my, yes: Democrat): introduced a resolution in Congress honoring the – what did you call Michael Jackson, Rep. Pete King (R)?

Right: low-life, pervert, child molester, and pedophile.

…anyway, when Rep. Jackson-Lee did that, I was silent.

When Rep. Jackson-Lee referred the legislation to the House Foreign Affairs committee, I was silent.

When Rep. Jackson-Lee went to LA yesterday to highlight said resolution, I was silent*.

But now I discover, with an amazement that hovers at whimsical, that Rep. Jackson-Lee’s presence at the memorial service meant that she missed a vote on this House resolution:

H. CON. RES. 135
Directing the Architect of the Capitol to place a marker in Emancipation Hall in the Capitol Visitor Center which acknowledges the role that slave labor played in the construction of the United States Capitol, and for other purposes.

…which, by the way, is a perfectly reasonable use of some of the USA’s Stuff Chiseled Into Stone Tablets And Put Somewhere Public budget (and will cost us less than 300 grand anyway); so… yes. That requires comment, not to mention not a little bit of scorn. This is supremely narcissistic of you, Rep. Jackson-Lee; and while it fits admirably with the animating principles of the latter stage of Michael Jackson’s life, it’s not appropriate behavior for a sitting Congresswoman.

Please stop.

Moe Lane

*You can also see the video here. See how long it takes before you’re overwhelmed by the sheer nonsense of it all; I couldn’t really make it past her praise of Jackson’s parent’s family life**.

**Amusingly, do an Amazon.com search for Michael Jackson biography and sort for bestselling and you end up with The Peasant Prince: Thaddeus Kosciuszko and the Age of Revolution as the top hit. That’s just funny.

Crossposted to Moe Lane.

COMMENTS

  • LittleL1954

    Her 1600 page resolution on MJ’s funeral as it relates to Other issues is a disgrace to the life of a man–just a man not a god-but when you have nothing but race to work with, you use what you can–i guess

  • bk

    Anything that takes away time from the normal raping of our wallets that the House is engaged in is a GOOD thing. I wish they’d declare a state of mourning and shut down for the rest of the month.

  • w4rbler

    I’m no fan of Jacko, but IIRC, he was tried and acquitted of those charges. Have you some information the rest of us don’t?

  • Aaron Gardner

    No of course not. Just because a jury acquits you doesn’t actually make you innocent. And regardless of whether he was a pedophile or a child molester he was in fact a pederast by definition.

    Michael Jackson was a sick individual.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    the same as OJ Simpson [murder] Robert Blake [murder] or Al Capone [too numerous to name].

    He is innocent in a court of law unless convicted…

    …public opinion is not a court of law.

  • Tbone

    My contacts in law enforcement that specialize in kiddie porn and stalking say that computers at Neverland were full of child porn. They just couldn’t prove it was MJ that was downloading it.

    MJ was a pedophile and a freak. It is good he is dead.

  • LittleL1954

    for MJ, OJ, Blake, Hilton… Just the Hollywood crowd sees the world as perveted and America as the deviant while they ARE main stream America–just as politicians such as Lee does.

  • Richard Mullins

    I’m not that unlike her character to co-sponsor a bill on slavery and other things. It always seems that if something goes wrong, she in front of the camera,like she was when Hurricane Ike was about to hit.

  • w4rbler

    “he was in fact a pederast by definition.”

    and your source for this certain knowledge is…???

  • w4rbler

    “Is Osama bin Laden innocent because he hasn’t been convicted in a court?”

    I missed the hoopla surrounding bin Laden’s capture, trial and acquittal – is that what you’re trying to tell me?

    Or is it that to you, if your opinion tells you someone is guilty, a trial is just a pesky formality?

    Probably you just missed the part of my comment where I said, “he was tried and acquitted of those charges” – right?

  • Aaron Gardner

    etymology is your friend.

  • w4rbler

    Do you just make these “facts” up?

    Why do you suppose there was nothing ever publicly stated about the existence of child porn on the computers at Neverland?

    I agree that MJ was a freak – be pretty hard not to – but he was tried in an American court of law and acquitted of those charges. Just because he was weird, and a public figure, I strongly object to making these very “knowing,” strong assertions about what he was, and what he did, based on absolutely nothing.

    “contacts in law enforcement,” my left eye.

  • w4rbler

    sanity regained.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • w4rbler

    the inside dope on all this, as you seem to – but I do know that his accusers had their day in court, and I have that much faith in our legal justice system.

  • Richard Mullins

    There are parts of the state that would find them not guilty.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • Vegas_Rick

    in 2004 to the family of a boy charging him with molestation? Do innocent people pay out that kind of money?

  • w4rbler

    but the origin of a word is not the definition of the word.

    Last time: MJ was acquitted of the charges against him, which may have included pederasty. He was not charged with being a “lover of boys.”

    I love my son…does that make me a pederast?

    you stated ?he was in fact a pederast by definition.? You’re obviously basing that on…your opinion. Maybe you need to go back to M-W, skip the etymology part, and review the definition – words have meanings.

  • janis

    that rich and famous people have NEVER been able to subvert justice. If MJ was so innocent, then how come he paid megabucks to his accusers?

    And why are you investing yourself so heavily in defending the reputation of someone who even YOU admit is a freak and a creep?

  • Aaron Gardner

    as you even agreed to in your reply to David.

  • w4rbler

    nor, I’m guessing, were you. But our opinions don’t determine what happened. Here’s an article on this issue, see what you think.

  • Aaron Gardner

    to defend him is silly. He made some good music but the man was not a good person.

  • w4rbler

    with the constant stream of “conventional wisdom” that says MJ was a pedophile – but really, says a lot more about those who need to assert that as a fact.

    I happen to support the rule of law, and our system of legal justice. How about you?

  • w4rbler

    But it seems that, for you, anything goes…? Unfounded accusations, assumptions of guilt…all fine? These are your American values?

    Innocent until proven guilty – just a cute phrase to be applied only when it suits you…?

    Feh.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Which allows us to not only have opinions contrary to the findings of a jury but also to express them in public.

    But that was a nice try.

  • w4rbler

    really – I do. Don’t get me wrong. MJ was about as weird as it gets, anywhere, anytime.

    I think it’s important, for the sake of our credibility, to pay attention to how and what we say. If your opinion is that he was a child-molester, say so, Say why – but when one asserts that he WAS one – that crosses the line into asserting mere opinion as fact.

    That’s not how I roll; I try not to assert things that aren’t sourced, and I encourage you to likewise pay attention to your communication, to hold it as an important tool, a thing of value.

  • w4rbler

    A. “I think MJ was a pedophile.”

    B. “MJ was a pedophile.”

    one is protected speech, the other could be actionable libel.

  • $peciallist

    Grown man sleeping with preteen boys…overnight…consecutive nights….with more than one boy….guilty as charged

  • mom2oneson
  • Vaughn Harold

    can not change that fact. Freaky is as freaky does. By the way there are many the courts of public opinion as well in which he was long ago found guilty.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    that exception, allowing libel and slander of public figures, is all that allows political campaigns to exist.

    Sorry, but MJ was a very public figure, and so libel and slander do not apply.

  • Aaron Gardner

    And you should check out this article by Neal Boortz:

    OK …here’s a little civics lesson for you. This “innocent until proven guilty” thing ONLY applies to government. The idea that a person is innocent of a crime until he has been convicted is a complete absurdity. Once you’ve murdered someone, you are a murderer. You don’t become a murderer when the jury says “guilty.” You become a murderer when you pull the trigger. You’ve taken a life. Jury deliberations don’t change that.

    The purpose of the “innocent until proven guilty” concept is to hold a tight rein on government. Government, you see, is the only entity out there that can legally take your life, your property or your freedom. Our founding fathers saw fit to require that the government prove you’re your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before these actions are taken. So … the ONLY place where this “innocent until proven guilty” standard applies is to government attempts to punish you for a crime. It doesn’t apply to me or to you because we aren’t empowered to carry out punishment.

    Keep trying.

  • mom2oneson

    I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a post on here, and I think how do people get raised to think like this and I get scared but then I see you come in and post and I totally feel better!

  • Aaron Gardner
  • w4rbler

    the court of $peciallist is now in order!

    oops! too late – all over…tried and convicted.

    woo-boy.

  • $peciallist

    alot of pedophiles get away with their crimes…you have your head firmly planted in your a……errr…….the sand

  • Swamp_Yankee

    Via South Park:

  • w4rbler

    that was just a pedantic aside, regarding etymology v. definitions – no true comparison intended.

  • w4rbler

    If I understand you correctly, you’d re-tool our system of legal justice? What would you replace it with… these guys?

  • Aaron Gardner

    I consider all the facts of the cases involved and come to a different judgment than the court or you. Part of the reason why is that I don’t have to worry about courtroom shenanigans that expunge pertinent evidence.

    I don’t share the faith you have in the courts, a blind faith I might add.

  • w4rbler

    nor self-respect, apparently.

  • w4rbler

    granted, the burden of proof, or whatever it’s called, to show libel or slander for a public figure is elevated, but I’m pretty sure you couldn’t make any assertion about a public figure with impunity.

  • Aaron Gardner

    I really appreciate that.

  • $peciallist

    troublemaker…..

  • w4rbler

    it’s only those who persist in asserting unproven ideas as fact who look like fools. I think I’ve proven to myself that some minds are irrevocably closed…again.

    When will I ever learn…?

  • mom2oneson

    were two boys killed their father. The man that helped them do it was a REPEAT offender and there were all these love notes between him and the older boy. WHY WAS HE EVER LET OUT OF JAIL IF HE OFFENDED ONE TIME!!!! It’s crazy that we lock up people for stealing cars, dealing drugs for a long time but we let out men that rape children and young teenagers??? The system is really bad for convicting and for punishing these sickos. I am not talking about the 20 year old that slept with the 16 year old that lied to him and said he was 19. I mean men that prey on kids and young teens.

  • janis

    Mostly if you are a Republican. And they continue to get away with it, too. If you need examples, just sing out. We have tons of them.

  • mom2oneson
  • Aaron Gardner

    so in effect I could sue you for defaming me by accusing me of libel….but then I would be accusing you of libel…and then none of us will get MJ’s money. Oh well.

  • janis

    .

  • Aaron Gardner

  • w4rbler

    would be more accurately described as “disagreeing with $peciallist.”

    Guilty as charged.

  • Tbone

    nt

  • w4rbler

    please show me where I “accused you of libel.”

  • w4rbler

    nice to meet you, too!

    heh.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • w4rbler

    I was trying to make a simple (I thought) point – one that has nothing whatever to do with politics, really – and that’s how you determined I was a “troll?”

    That kind of explains a lot about the reception my reasonable (to me) argument got, here.

  • Vaughn Harold
  • w4rbler

    if I had, I would be happy to provide a source.

    Do you feel that you get to assert whatever you like, and anyone who questions it has the burden to do the research? Not so very much.

    But I did do a cursory search prior to responding, turned up nada. What do you have?

  • $peciallist

    your spinning yourself in circles trying to win what I loosely call an ‘argument’….FAIL

    I’m only through my first cup of coffee and I’m bored with you already

  • w4rbler

    and I apologize for mistaking your light-hearted response – too deep in this nonsense, I guess.

    here’s a sample:

    “I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger…

    …then it hit me!”

  • Achance

    the person saying it knows that it is false. The “knowing falsehood” part is what makes it so hard to prove libel of a public figure.

  • Aaron Gardner

    seems kinda silly to not expect political replies. As far as me determining that you are a troll, well you started out by attacking a front page poster. Then when confronted with dissenting opinion you acted like inferred that everyone who disagreed with you was lacking in sanity. Then you misused the “innocent until proven guilty” part of our legal system to be an apologist for a pederast. Then when given a link to a respectable right leaning pundit you refuse to even read it because it doesn’t fall in line with your argument.

    Seems pretty trollish to me.

  • janis

    where you show up just to try and prove everyone there is a close-minded, judgmental fool? My guess would be that you tend to hang with people who deal in moral equivalency, the notion that everyone’s a victim and therefore no one is responsible for their behavior, and that no one is allowed to say that another’s actions are evil.

    This would not be one of those places. Most of us here have a well developed sense of good and evil, of right and wrong. And we are not afraid to label something as “evil” when we perceive it to be so.

  • w4rbler

    Want an example?

    I’m pretty certain, personally, that OJ murdered two people. That’s my considered opinion. I’d not write that “OJ is a murderer,” though, because he was tried and acquitted of the criminal charge.

    Admittedly, this is a muddy example, as he was convicted in civil court – but the point I’m trying to make is that this type of thing reflects on ME – on my personal integrity. I choose to communicate effectively and appropriately; words and thoughts are things, and have meanings.

  • Aaron Gardner

    please try to keep up.

  • w4rbler

    but I take exception to your assertion that I showed up “just to try and prove everyone there is a close-minded, judgmental fool?”

    I have no problem at all with people having the opinions they do – I’m concerned with the proliferation of this one specific factoid being bruited about here, and elsewhere, as the truth, when it’s just an opinion.

    I’m thinking now, though, that this might be a little too fine a distinction for you. Rock on!

  • w4rbler

    but, at the same time, perhaps you might consider toning down your amusingly patronizing, yet wrong, comments?

    My second question, which he answered, was why there was no publicity about computer kiddy-porn found at the ranch. The response I got from him was to “go look it up.” Then came my response that I did not make the assertion – about the porn.

    Am I going slowly enough for you, now?

  • w4rbler

    I’m not here for your entertainment.

  • janis

    w4bler. The comment you wrote that I answered said, “…it’s only those who persist in asserting unproven ideas as facts who look like fools. I think I’ve proven to myself that some minds are irrevocably closed…..again.

    When will I ever learn?”

    So you set yourself up to stroll in here and try to school us on what’s correct and what’s not pertaining to the reputation of a drug-abusing pedophile? Way to pick a meaningful fight. So tell me, how do you feel about Jack Murtha calling our Marines in Haditha cold=blooded murderers?

  • Vaughn Harold

    “OJ murdered two people” vs. “OJ is a murderer” to be one and the same considered opinion. Just like “Jackson sleep with boys” vs. “Jackson is a pederast” to be one and the same considered opinion.

  • w4rbler

    I’m here for news and views, not, mostly, to comment, as (clearly, eh?) I’ve not so much to add. But this issue moved me to make a statement, and since then I’ve been responding to my, largely respectful, interlocutors.

    I “attacked” someone here? A front-pager? Please say where – I wasn’t aware of, or intending to, “attack” anyone, at all.

    As for being an “apologist for a pederast,” there you go again – which pederast was that…?

    Just in case you, or anyone here, gets the idea that I’m an “apologist” for child molestation – I’d advise you to steer clear of me and, especially, my three children – you wouldn’t want to have that discussion with me face-to-face.

  • Aaron Gardner

    you made the assertion that their wasn’t any publicity…Tbone never said there was prior to your assertion. Now if you are challenging his assertion that he knows people in California Law Enforcement that is different, but that isn’t what you did.

    Am I going slow enough for you.

    Oh and here is plenty of publicity about what Tbone brought up.

  • w4rbler

    the statement was “I?m pretty certain, personally, that OJ murdered two people. That?s my considered opinion.”

  • Aaron Gardner

    don’t be mad at me because your online life doesn’t match your real life.

  • The_Gadfly

    The problem of course is that the trial lawyers have pretty much made a mockery of that concept. And that mockery is usually at its worst when prominent rich people are paying the trial lawyers.

    It is my firm belief that a true jury of his peers, as opposed to the one that was so pared down by eliminating anyone who might have heard about the case from the jury pool, would have convicted Jackson of child molestation in something under 24 hours. Especially as the trial came years after the prior sealed settlement.

  • Vaughn Harold

    you take yourself to freaking sereously, and if anyone questions your opinion or your words you take it as a personal attack. Why don’t you calm down, the people around here aren’t idiots.

  • w4rbler

    here was the statement to which I responded:

    “My contacts in law enforcement that specialize in kiddie porn and stalking say that computers at Neverland were full of child porn.”

    I asked for a source. I also stated that there was nothing in public about that. I looked, and found nothing, before I wrote that. I might be wrong. I welcome any links; always glad to gain knowledge and understanding.

    Extraordinary claims require, at least, some proof…wouldn’t you agree? With the amount of attention that case had, don’t you think that if there had been child porn found on the computers, it would be public knowledge?

    Now, as to your smarmy question about whether you’re going slow enough for me, I’d like to point out that interrogatives are followed, in written English, by question marks. Also, I’d like to alert you to the fact that you wrote “their” when you probably meant “there.” Fix that stuff, add a few commas, and then you’ll be going slow enough for me. Fair enough, wise guy?

  • w4rbler

    I think I DO take myself to sereously. Thanks four the waykup-cawl.

  • Vaughn Harold

    I suggest you clarify yourself because personal attacks are bannable offences.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • w4rbler

    sense of humor, Vaughn Harold? I was just funnin’.

    If you thought that was a “personal attack…” just wow.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    offences jumped out at me. Whenever I copy and paste direct quotes from Brits I always have to correct the defence, offence, etc…

    just curious

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Nobody spends that much time defending somebody like Jackson unless they were a fan.

    Did you get what you needed? – Because I just closed the spigot.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You say you would welcome any links…so far I have offered two in this thread that you have ignored.

    Oh and I used 3 periods to separate a thought instead of a comma are you gonna cry now?

  • Vaughn Harold

    I never was great at spelling and it shows when I rush..

  • Vaughn Harold
  • antisocial

    Would you consider allowing your son for a sleepover at Jackson’s house? 3 weeks ago I mean…

    You know what…. I would fight to death charges against my character instead of settling them…. Even if the settlement was a penny… but then that’s me…

    Call him a good artist… Don’t call him a good man. There are crazies who are equating him to MLK…

    This is not about court ruling…. This is judgment call.

    I agree with King. This guy was indeed a low-life, pervert , child-molester and pedophile. He died of DRUG usage…. It is a shame what happened in Chicago legislature. monuments??? slavery??? It is a shame there are resolutions… Realize that people like you are a contributing factor in at least tolerating this nonsense if not outright promotion…. cmon… this is crazy…

    PS: I see you have a number of posts related to only this topic…. If you have made your point STOP….

  • leftylurker

    One of the best grammar troll smackdowns I’ve seen.

    Well done

  • Tbone

    Good find.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • Aaron Gardner
  • Vaughn Harold
  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Arguing about how many pederasts can dance o the head of a pin again.

  • Aaron Gardner

    I missed that earlier.

  • $peciallist

    hmmm……that one Stings em……..we’ll use that again for sure

  • Aaron Gardner
  • Finrod

    I don’t think Michael Jackson was a pedophile.

    By definition, a pedophile is an adult that performs sexual acts on or with children. While Michael Jackson physically was an adult, I don’t think he mentally ever grew out of being a child. Being an entertainment star, he never really had the kind of childhood that the vast majority of the population had, so he never really matured to adulthood. As far as him sleeping with kids in bed, I look at it in much the same way as I would Robin Williams’s character in the movie Jack doing the same thing. I’m not saying that what he did was ok or in any way justifying it, but I don’t think it really technically qualifies as pedophilia.

  • http://www.marklaiminger.org Lammo

    child molestation cases are tough. I prosecuted them for two years (out of 22 so far) and have never had a harder time in trial or lost more cases than I won. Normal people just find it hard to believe that one person can do those kinds of things to another person; trust me, they can and they do.

    And another thing – - a not guilty finding by a jury does not mean that the defendant is innocent, especially since many times the jury does not get to hear all of the evidence. It was perfectly stated by someone after OJ was found liable for battery and wrongful death in the civil case brought by Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman’s families: O.J. Simpson is an acquitted murderer.

    Michael Jackson was acquitted. That fact does not make him innocent. IMHO, there was way to much smoke for there not to have been a great big fire.

  • http://www.marklaiminger.org Lammo

    I wonder, what do you think of when you hear the expression “pedophile priest”?

  • Swamp_Yankee

    It can happen. They stopped one small train wreck.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_en_ce/us_pelosi_michael_jackson

  • Menlo