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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/07/11/five-house-races-to-look-at/#comment-18930</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
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		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The *only* positive statement that you've made in the discussion is

"Obama *won* Maryland. Therefore it’s possible to talk of him having coattails there.

How he did in any one subdivision of the state is irrelevant."

And after my responses indicating that there were other facts in that race which had significantly more impact that the gain that Obama had over Kerry, you've made no positive statement at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The *only* positive statement that you&#8217;ve made in the discussion is</p>
<p>&#8220;Obama *won* Maryland. Therefore it’s possible to talk of him having coattails there.</p>
<p>How he did in any one subdivision of the state is irrelevant.&#8221;</p>
<p>And after my responses indicating that there were other facts in that race which had significantly more impact that the gain that Obama had over Kerry, you&#8217;ve made no positive statement at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/07/11/five-house-races-to-look-at/#comment-18927</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
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		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the "you don't get it so nyah nyah, I'm not going to tell you. Pthhh" style of argument..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the &#8220;you don&#8217;t get it so nyah nyah, I&#8217;m not going to tell you. Pthhh&#8221; style of argument..</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/07/11/five-house-races-to-look-at/#comment-18923</link>
		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is currently no Conservapedia entry for Coattails.

The first four hits for articles on Conservapedia that mention coattails are for Reagan, James Madison, Ike and Harry Truman and the usage in all four of them matches with the definition on Wikipedia...

My definition matches more or less with what's on Wikipedia. While a good number of the seats won by the Democrats in 2008 were helped by Obama's coattails, I've given several examples where it was not the overriding criteria.

Please give your definition of Coattails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is currently no Conservapedia entry for Coattails.</p>
<p>The first four hits for articles on Conservapedia that mention coattails are for Reagan, James Madison, Ike and Harry Truman and the usage in all four of them matches with the definition on Wikipedia&#8230;</p>
<p>My definition matches more or less with what&#8217;s on Wikipedia. While a good number of the seats won by the Democrats in 2008 were helped by Obama&#8217;s coattails, I&#8217;ve given several examples where it was not the overriding criteria.</p>
<p>Please give your definition of Coattails.</p>
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
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		<dc:creator>eburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a conservative one? 

No way!! I mean, it's the *conservatives* who are the small-minded, small-tent, my-way-or-the-highway, I refuse to vote for anyone who doesn't see it my way reflexive Neanderthals&#62;

This has got to be part of some nefarious conservative plot because a moderate Republican has *never* failed to support the winned of a GOP primary. 

Have they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a conservative one? </p>
<p>No way!! I mean, it&#8217;s the *conservatives* who are the small-minded, small-tent, my-way-or-the-highway, I refuse to vote for anyone who doesn&#8217;t see it my way reflexive Neanderthals&gt;</p>
<p>This has got to be part of some nefarious conservative plot because a moderate Republican has *never* failed to support the winned of a GOP primary. </p>
<p>Have they?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/07/11/five-house-races-to-look-at/#comment-18919</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You fail.</description>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/07/11/five-house-races-to-look-at/#comment-18918</link>
		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from Wikipedia...

The coattail effect is the tendency for a popular political party leader to attract votes for other candidates of the same party in an election. For example, in the United States, the party of a victorious presidential candidate will often win many seats in Congress as well; these congressmen are voted into office “on the coattails” of the president.

*However* while it is a tendency, other local effects can override it in the other direction (See Cao - Jefferson in Louisiana) or be *more* significant than the coattail at the local level (See Kirkpatrick - Hay in Arizona 1 or Kratovil -Harris in Maryland 1). Given the close race, if Gilcrest had been the Republican nominee rather than Harris, there is no way that Kratovil would have won regardless of how well Obama did in the State of Maryland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from Wikipedia&#8230;</p>
<p>The coattail effect is the tendency for a popular political party leader to attract votes for other candidates of the same party in an election. For example, in the United States, the party of a victorious presidential candidate will often win many seats in Congress as well; these congressmen are voted into office “on the coattails” of the president.</p>
<p>*However* while it is a tendency, other local effects can override it in the other direction (See Cao - Jefferson in Louisiana) or be *more* significant than the coattail at the local level (See Kirkpatrick - Hay in Arizona 1 or Kratovil -Harris in Maryland 1). Given the close race, if Gilcrest had been the Republican nominee rather than Harris, there is no way that Kratovil would have won regardless of how well Obama did in the State of Maryland.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
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		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By those standards, McCain should have had coattails in AZ-1 which he won by 54-44 and which the Democrat won the open seat by twenty points. Sometimes local factors trump coattails...

In 2004, Bush won the district by 62%-36% and lost the entire state 56%-43%. In 2008, McCain won the district by 58%-38% (Dem 4% better, Rep 2% worse) and lost the entire state by 62%-37%.(Dem 6% better, Rep 6 % worse)

In 2004, Gilcrest(R) beat Alexakis(D) by (71%-23%) and in 2008, Kratovil(D) beat Harris(R) (49.1-48.3). (Dem 26% better, Rep 23% worse). 

Yes, Obama's coattails may have had a *small* effect, but local issues including a better known democrat and the support of current Republican Office Holder led to a change roughly four to five time larger than the presidential change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By those standards, McCain should have had coattails in AZ-1 which he won by 54-44 and which the Democrat won the open seat by twenty points. Sometimes local factors trump coattails&#8230;</p>
<p>In 2004, Bush won the district by 62%-36% and lost the entire state 56%-43%. In 2008, McCain won the district by 58%-38% (Dem 4% better, Rep 2% worse) and lost the entire state by 62%-37%.(Dem 6% better, Rep 6 % worse)</p>
<p>In 2004, Gilcrest(R) beat Alexakis(D) by (71%-23%) and in 2008, Kratovil(D) beat Harris(R) (49.1-48.3). (Dem 26% better, Rep 23% worse). </p>
<p>Yes, Obama&#8217;s coattails may have had a *small* effect, but local issues including a better known democrat and the support of current Republican Office Holder led to a change roughly four to five time larger than the presidential change.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama *won* Maryland.  Therefore it's possible to talk of him having coattails there.

How he did in any one subdivision of the state is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama *won* Maryland.  Therefore it&#8217;s possible to talk of him having coattails there.</p>
<p>How he did in any one subdivision of the state is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
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		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there are places online that have worked out the vote in the Presidential Election in each of the Congressional Districts.</description>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/07/11/five-house-races-to-look-at/#comment-18911</link>
		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Dems are smart, then *somehow* Gilcrest gets appointed as the Republican representative to some bi-partisan commission on the Chesapeake Bay. It keeps his name in the news, doing something that he agrees with the Dems on. It will also allow Kratovil to be seen with him relatively frequently over the next two years...

The other issue that whether or not Kratovil is still in office affects is redistricting. If Kratovil loses, then the Democrats will probably propose a redistricting that looks like the 1990 redistricting since the 2000 redistricting was designed to get rid of Ehrlich's old district and make Connie Morella's (a Republican so far left she made Gilchrest look like a CfG member) district too far left even more her. (the 1990 redistricting was relatively sane)

if Kratovil is still in office, I think all of the rules go out the window. Don't be surprised if the new MD-1 ends up crossing over the Chesapeake at some point other than the bridge to pick up Baltimore City or Prince George's County African Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Dems are smart, then *somehow* Gilcrest gets appointed as the Republican representative to some bi-partisan commission on the Chesapeake Bay. It keeps his name in the news, doing something that he agrees with the Dems on. It will also allow Kratovil to be seen with him relatively frequently over the next two years&#8230;</p>
<p>The other issue that whether or not Kratovil is still in office affects is redistricting. If Kratovil loses, then the Democrats will probably propose a redistricting that looks like the 1990 redistricting since the 2000 redistricting was designed to get rid of Ehrlich&#8217;s old district and make Connie Morella&#8217;s (a Republican so far left she made Gilchrest look like a CfG member) district too far left even more her. (the 1990 redistricting was relatively sane)</p>
<p>if Kratovil is still in office, I think all of the rules go out the window. Don&#8217;t be surprised if the new MD-1 ends up crossing over the Chesapeake at some point other than the bridge to pick up Baltimore City or Prince George&#8217;s County African Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maryland doesn't award its Presidential electors by CD.</description>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/07/11/five-house-races-to-look-at/#comment-18909</link>
		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised that you are talking about Obama's coattails in MD-01, when McCain won MD-01 by 58%-40%, more or less the same amount that McCain won the MD-06, the only district in MD currently represented by a Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that you are talking about Obama&#8217;s coattails in MD-01, when McCain won MD-01 by 58%-40%, more or less the same amount that McCain won the MD-06, the only district in MD currently represented by a Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: aesthete</title>
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		<dc:creator>aesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But as far as the rest of your analysis, a perfect 10. I don't know a ton about the district, but from what I do know, I can definitely see this as a potential GOP pickup, depending on the candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But as far as the rest of your analysis, a perfect 10. I don&#8217;t know a ton about the district, but from what I do know, I can definitely see this as a potential GOP pickup, depending on the candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: azaeroprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>azaeroprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the GOP doesn't take this seat back in '10, we don't deserve to be a party.  Ann Kirkpatrick is a total zero.  She only won the seat in '08 because it was a Dem year and the DNCC threw a ton of money to win this district to replace Republican Rick Renzi who was under indictment and retiring.

I've met at least one GOP candidate for this (sorry, don't recall his name but he is a dentist from Flagstaff) and have heard that there are at least 1 or 2 others working on it.

Add to this the fact that John McCain is running for re-election in '10.  I know most of us here at RedState don't care much for McCain, but he is still very popular in Arizona and WILL have coattails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the GOP doesn&#8217;t take this seat back in &#8216;10, we don&#8217;t deserve to be a party.  Ann Kirkpatrick is a total zero.  She only won the seat in &#8216;08 because it was a Dem year and the DNCC threw a ton of money to win this district to replace Republican Rick Renzi who was under indictment and retiring.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met at least one GOP candidate for this (sorry, don&#8217;t recall his name but he is a dentist from Flagstaff) and have heard that there are at least 1 or 2 others working on it.</p>
<p>Add to this the fact that John McCain is running for re-election in &#8216;10.  I know most of us here at RedState don&#8217;t care much for McCain, but he is still very popular in Arizona and WILL have coattails.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Particularly since the actual comparison would be: won in [Election Cycle -2] by 69%, ran unopposed in [Election Cycle -1] , and is now being seriously challenged by the opposition while having to explain long-standing ethics questions [all the while in a district that's shifted GOP in the last eight years.  Which you already know quite well.]

You're not really very good at this, are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Particularly since the actual comparison would be: won in [Election Cycle -2] by 69%, ran unopposed in [Election Cycle -1] , and is now being seriously challenged by the opposition while having to explain long-standing ethics questions [all the while in a district that's shifted GOP in the last eight years.  Which you already know quite well.]</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not really very good at this, are you?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Stranger</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Stranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can give me several examples of an incumbent that won in the 69% range in 06, and then lost in 08, maybe I'd be more easily convinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can give me several examples of an incumbent that won in the 69% range in 06, and then lost in 08, maybe I&#8217;d be more easily convinced.</p>
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