« BACK  |  PRINT

RS

FRONT PAGE CONTRIBUTOR

Cash for clunkers program performing precisely as expected.

Which is to say, badly.

The problem is that participating car dealers are currently on the hook for the trade-ins that they made in good faith, but have yet to see any of the deals signed off on by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. There are problems with the online system, you see.

Of course there are.  It’s a government program, remember?

[Minnesota Auto Dealers Association vice president Scott] Lambert said the government has created a program that’s “so big and cumbersome that it can’t find a way to accept anything. We’re sending in good, reliable deals.”

It’s nerve-racking for the dealers, he said, because they have given the customer $4,500 and now the dealers need to be reimbursed.


Note that the program started on July 1, they only published the actual rules Friday, and they’re still working out how to get the dealers their money. If you’re shrugging over that, consider this: what’s essentially happening here is that car dealerships are giving $4,500 interest-free, unguaranteed loans to the federal government… and the determination of whether or not those loans get paid off is more or less going to be at the discretion of mid-level bureaucrats at the NHTSA. Even if they do repay every loan, it’s apparently going to take time for the system to smooth out; it’s an open question whether it’ll straighten out before the official end of the program in November. And the car dealerships – the only producers of goods in this particular equation, and the ones that the government is ostensibly trying to help – get all the headaches.

I can’t improve on Glenn Reynold’s response to this: “Don’t worry, though — I’m sure they’ll do a better job with your prostate.” Says it all, really.

Moe Lane

Crossposted to Moe Lane.

Get Alerts

COMMENTS

  • djemi

    I was listening to 1240 Am up here in Michigan this morning and I heard Mark Schauer (D 07) say that this joke for a program may need more money because of demand.

    I would say that if I was a Ford dealership I wouldn’t be trying to use this clunkers deal, given what?s essentially happening here is that car dealerships are giving $4,500 interest-free, unguaranteed loans to the federal government? and the determination of whether or not those loans get paid off is more or less going to be at the discretion of mid-level bureaucrats at the NHTSA, just saying.

  • izoneguy

    I think I heard that they might get 250,000 cars as trade in for the “Cash for Clunkers”. This is what happens when you roll at an ill-conceived program to “help” people. Actually Obama thought it would help his GM & Chrysler brands flagging sales.
    You know in this program they pour a silicate into the engine and then run it until it seizes up. Now that silicate gets buried in a landfill because they crush the cars. I wonder why the eco-nazis did not get this program stopped?

    Now imagine a National Health Care system 100 times as screwed up as this tiny program????

  • abbynormal

    This administration is its own worst enemy.

  • johnt

    Face it, the country is in the hands of crazies.
    If government jobs or raises were on the line, if job security were a sometimes thing, perhaps there would be improvement. People have been known to respond to both rewards and fear. As it is, just show up, anything else you do is gravy.

    I see a screwing in the future of a lot of car dealers. That’s what government does best. That and forgetting that the screwing took place.

  • Scope

    on. He supported and voted for this mess. Another 3-4 billion down the drain.

    I heard on Beck this morning that the clunkers are being sent to New Mexico, being cut into fist sized pieces, and shipped to CHINA.

  • Scope

    on. He supported and voted for this mess. Another 3-4 billion down the drain.

    I heard on Beck this morning that the clunkers are being sent to New Mexico, being cut into fist sized pieces, and shipped to CHINA.

  • Richard Mullins

    here in Texas but O is trying to twist it to make it’s own. That a funny way of trying to get more votes.

  • popdaddy

    the ads in the Austin area hype the $4500 trade-in from the Federal Government while promoting Jeep Cherokee, pick ups and suv’s. Maybe it’s just Texas where few are going to buy an Obamacar.

  • ZZMike

    Today it’s “trade in your old car for a nice new one”.

    Tomorrow it’l be “turn in your old car. peroid”. Easy to do – just stop registering pre-1990 cars or those that don’t pass the ever-tightening smog checks.

  • DavidSage

    The main point of this legislation was to prop up Obama’s new car companies, and give a sop to the struggling UAW. If the Democrats thought they could get away with it, they would have made the program exclusionary to car companies that only used UAW labor. It had nothing to do with environmental concerns.

    I’d love to see the data when this program is over, and see what cars Americans bought for their trade ins. I’m betting Americans passed over the Obama Motor companies (Chrysler and GM) and instead bought brands like Toyota, Honda, and Nissan etc.

  • mangrilla

    on Saturday, and my dealer seemed pretty pleased about the whole deal. They seemed to be satisfied with how everything was working out, aside from the additional paperwork. I’d say six cars were sold in the few hours I was on the lot, and for a small, rural dealership that ain’t bad.

    And in my case, at least, the bill worked as intended. I turned in a GMC that got around 16 mpg and got a Ford with about double that and saved a boatload of money. I’m happy, my dealer’s happy, so for now I’ll reserve any negative judgment on the bill. When we start hearing of people who followed the rules (which seemed fairly straightforward) not being reimbursed, then the fire and brimstone will come.

    Until then, gotta love that new car smell…

  • smitty

    Also, GM and Chrysler are giving $4500 on top of the Cash for clunkers. There’s the govt subsidy of the brands we as taxpayers own. cute.

  • Jacquie

    I bought a Nissan, and the Nissan Dealer said they had over 50 people taking advantage of the Cash for Clunkers program.

    In the past I had always bought Chryslers, no more!

  • Common_Cents

    who went into a dealership w/ checkbook in hand to buy a newer efficient hybrid vehicle and he couldn’t get it done. No wonder.

  • Common_Cents

    Then tell them you have a clunker.

    Otherwise they’ll just play w/ your $4500 on the price just like any other trade-in.

    I also read about solar panels prices going up because of higher government subsidies. Just like the rapid increase of college tuition rose with all the cheap/free/available money to finance it.

  • Vegas_Rick
  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    It could be worse. There could be a law *requiring* dealers to accept clunkers even if there is no government money to reimburse them.

  • red4ever

    WTOP just announced breaking news that the program is being suspended. What happens to all those dealers who took the cars in this program? Just another way to drive politically suspect dealers out of business.

  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    I’m not sure if the MSM are just disregarding the facts or are completely ignorant of them.

  • kdoc

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99P2U9G1&show_article=1

  • izoneguy

    I think Barry was PO’ed that everyone was not flocking to GM & Chrysler. LOL –

    Don’t trust the government to ever hold up their end of the bargain.

  • JadedByPolitics

    If the idiots in Congress CANNOT run this little itty bitty 1 billion dollar program how in the heck do they think they can run Healthcare which will be 1 trillion dollars. I mean will healthcare reform RUN OUT OF MONEY? and when it does will the government just SHUT IT DOWN!!!

    So many commercials running through my mind on this FAILURE again of another government run program!

  • JadedByPolitics
  • LISA BULLOCK-HOCK

    i think that is what the end game is. They don’t really care about the environment, its about control of the masses. Cash for clunkers –what a crock–koolaid lollipops for suckers is what it is.

  • Richard Mullins

    That’s the way it worked here in Texas and it only had it working in certain counties(I know Bexar wasn’t one of them). It’s morphed into a buy American(Bah, union) car.

  • djemi

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99P2U9G1&show_article=1

    Now, it really is a very funny joke, instead of just a joke.

  • JustLeaveMeAlone

    I could use a new car myself right now, but first the IRS is “asking” for the next $20K I make, no doubt to help pay for yours. You’re welcome.

    What’s wrong with the car I have? Nothing that a $2,500 catalytic converter job won’t fix, so it can pass TX emissions inspection and get registration renewed. Until then, it sits. No bailouts here.

  • JustLeaveMeAlone

    (as soon as I can afford one) will be a USA-made, non-UAW made vehicle. Toyota or Nissan, probably.

    And I’ll pay cash to keep the banks from profiting from me, as well.

  • Vegas_Rick
  • mom2oneson

    That is awful. I hope you can get it inspected. :(

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    Always with much more taketh…

  • Mario

    I came up with the idea for this program last year as a way to avoid auto bailouts and as a more effective way of improving overall fleet fuel efficiency without doing something stupid like raising fuel efficiency standards. Naturally, the government only puts it in place after doing both of the above first, and then mismanages the program on top of it. I still stand by the idea, even if the Democrats are determined to prove that they can’t do anything right.

  • mom2oneson

    5 on both points.

  • mom2oneson

    5 Common, sorry!!! Where is my dr pepper :)

  • ZZMike

    They ran that program so well, we can hardly wait for them to start runnng the country’s health care system.

  • JustLeaveMeAlone

    that maybe it qualifies as a clunker now :) Or a really big paperweight!

    (Thanks, Mom — it’ll work out once I pay off the federales. They get their cut off the top, always!)

    Texas has really strict emissions requirements, and I happen to own a car that’s extremely expensive to repair — and one known for catalytic converter issues. Had I known then what I know now….. oh well, live and learn!

  • DONTREADONME

    that is exactly what they just did
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/31/democrats-house-plans-pass-billion-boost-cash-clunkers-program/

  • nessa

    nt

  • izoneguy

    So $3 Billion for this brilliant government run debockle. That is $10 in taxes from every citizen in America. This is the great dis-connect in American society. That $4500 credit is paid for by 450 people giving over $10 each to the government. Now imagine what happens when $1.5 TRILLION is not enough for National Health Care?

    Instead of $10 it will be $10,000 and then $100,000 from every citizen.

  • janis

    Did you come up with the Porkulus bill, too? Or cap and trade?

    Because we need to have a serious chat before you strike again.

  • izoneguy

    Cash for Clunkers: Victims of Their Own Success?

    http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/31/cash-for-clunkers-victims-of-their-own-success/

    There?s a distinct difference between a successful government program and a good government program. In effect, cash for clunkers is a classic lesson in Economics 101: What Not to Do. It?s sadly reminiscent of Frederic Bastiat?s broken window fallacy, except that instead of breaking windows to ?stimulate the economy,? we?re destroying perfectly good cars. Meanwhile, we?re asking consumers to purchase cars they might not be able to afford and incur more debt. While the program is ?working? in the sense that people are buying new cars, not only has the government had trouble dispersing the money, the program is full of unintended consequences, including dubious environmental benefits.

  • tanstaafl1019

    It starts with the $4,500, which of course really only helps people who were going to buy a new car anyway. My 12-year-old Explorer, which I planned to drive until it falls apart around me, is paid for–and I have no plans to go into the kind of debt it would take to buy a new car, $4,500 or no.

    So then people like me will be offered better incentives. When we don’t take those, they’ll institute emissions testing. You’ll either have to bring your car up to standards or junk it.

    And then, for the people who still don’t give up their beaters, a government repo man will come and take it, leaving in its place a tin can “Smart Car.”

  • williemcbride

    I traded in my Suburban last Friday. When I told my mechanic what I did, I thought he would be heartbroken since all the work he did on it probably put his kids thru college, but he actually sounded relieved.

    Anyhow – regarding some of the horror stories, I think alot of it is confusion on part of the dealers and the sellers. I talked to alot of dealers when I was looking for a new vehicle – many of them were really not up to speed on the program. One of the reasons I chose the dealer I went with was he was following the program very closely.

    When I went to sign all my paperwork I already had copies of my insurance policy and vehicle registration to prove coverage for the year. From talking to my dealer the past couple days, he said that many people have to scramble to get that documentation together.

  • LISA BULLOCK-HOCK

    I think this goofy congress and the President would think they were totally in their rights to do that. Us stupid peasants need to be put in our place according to them. I hope you get to keep your truck.

  • LISA BULLOCK-HOCK

    I guess I can’t blame you for taking advantage, but since I got laid off 3 years ago from my 90k/year job and have been working temp work for 10-12 per hour and my husband works 2 jobs so we can keep groceries on the table–forgive me if I don’t jump for joy. That was tax dollars that I could have used. Enjoy your new car smell.

  • snowshooze

    What a mess.
    The imported cars are doing great!
    The guys that could afford new anyhow are doing great!
    My old ’93 Ford just died, but I can’t afford new…so no Clunker $ for me, and think of my Neighbors who are still in ’70s rigs…what will the program do for them? It isn’t that they don’t want a newer vehicle, they just know they cannot afford one.
    And think of the US Auto Worker….Hyundai is supposed to be a big winner…how about Detroit??
    This program helps out everyone who didn’t need any help.
    But our people, and the lower middle class on down…
    Awwww…who cares about them anyhow…
    Don’t you think a Domestic Purchase should have been mandatory?
    And if it would have extended to used car purchases, possibly we could really have come out with something. Get some of those REAL Clunkers off the road…Help the guy with kids upgrade into the ’80s
    It is just another fiasco. The whole program is a Publicity Stunt, I severely hope it blows up.
    Alaska Mark