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Again: they’re *angry*, not afraid.

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  August 22nd, 2009 at 10:48 PM  | 

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Dan Collins – who has by the way moved Piece of Work In Progress: update your links – has a post about the opposition to the President that shouldn’t be excerpted, but must be.  A taste:

…they get stonewalled at town halls packed deliberately with union supporters, or find that their Representative has literally decided to phone the meeting in, and they are accused of being astroturfed, even as they watch people from out of state bused in to support the health care fiasco.  They see Lyndon LaRouche wackos carrying Obama Nazi signs characterized as right-wingers.  They hear that their concerns are those of a small and demented minority.  They see videos cropped to make it seem as though they’re racists. They are told that their opposition to Obama’s policies springs from racism on talk shows and in editorials.  They receive unsolicited emails from Axelrod after being told that their information’s not being kept by the White House, and then it’s blamed on advocacy groups across a broad political spectrum.  They recall that there were 8 years of BusHitler rhetoric that went unchallenged in the MSM, which suddenly is up in arms about the extraordinary incivility of such comparisons.

[snip]

Oh, yeah, they’re angry.  But it’s not because they’re stupid.  It’s because “Trust us; we despise you” isn’t really very civil, is it?

Read the whole thing, and let me add one more of my own:

They’ve watched as the man who ended his campaign nine months ago with a direct appeal to the memory of Ronald Reagan spend the last seven months ‘wee-weeing‘ over the very things that Ronald Reagan actually stood for.

I don’t know about the rest of the right-blogosphere, but any thought that I might of had of taking a breather after Election Day abruptly died the moment I saw that particular campaign ad (since removed) for the first time.  Some things you just don’t do.

Moe Lane

Crossposted to Moe Lane.

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  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    Pelosi has gone on and on with that nonsense about “Afraid of the Truth” BS…. It is the Democrats AFRAID to have honest/open Townhalls that aren’t rigged in one manner or another to force things to go as they orchestrate them… They refuse to deal with the TRUTH about the language in HR3200 over their carefully chosen (Straw-man) “supposedly random” questions for normal folk (yeah, right) that gives them an easy setup to further distort/hide their true intentions. We’ve covered that in so many Diaries (including: Democrat Health Care Townhall propaganda – a place to report the Dem’s Talking Points (read: Lies) and refute them with specifics). As I discussed in that Diary, I have taken part in setting up Townhalls and there is REAL EASY ways to make them Fair and REAL!!!! This is simple stuff and I frankly hope they keep it up as it makes it real easy to demonstrate how AFRAID they are of allowing real/honest coverage of what they have planned.

  • izoneguy

    http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback-pelosi-tells-anti-war-protesters-im-a-fan-of-disruptors/

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    that they could put on fairly reasonable Townhalls and therefore people WOULD NOT BE AS ANGRY… But/however, we all know that is nowhere what they want. They want them staged and OBVIOUSLY staged so that people get even more enraged than they were before they came!!! They want this show and have their MSM friends playing up the Democrat Narratives of Angry, Astroturf, etc., BS….. Again, I hope they keep it up, because it is going to turn some! Some of those ANGRY folks are Democrats!!!!! others that have been in DENIAL we have been Frustrated with (Dealing with our Frustration with the Politically Brain-dead) have joined in the ANGRY and while Liberals won’t listen to us they are more open to hearing from those DEMOCRATS with “concerns.”

  • student

    Both conservatives and normal liberals are missing what is actually happening. This is a radical effort to fundamentally change the nature of America. To use a public option as a Trojan Horse to nationalize 15% of the economy and reduce doctors, nurses and other employees to the same dependence on politics and same electoral servitude as teachers and postal workers. To spend trillions of dollars we do not have to nationalize large parts of the auto and finance industries and debauch our currency to buy the temporary support to irrevocably destroy free enterprise. To use Acorn and moving the Census to Rahm’s office and eventual “amnesty” for illegals to allow massive fraud to reinforce Democrat majorities while traditional American values of small and frugal government, individual empowerment and responsibility, free enterprise, and maximization are destroyed and replaed by a new system of a massive controlling nanny state, group rights, subjection of the individual to control by elites who know better than them, and shackled enterprise Conservatives and Liberals who are dealing with these radicals are making the same sort of mistake that normal liberals mad in the 1930s when communist party radicals masqueraded as “progressives” and subverted the party. Solzhenitsyn’s Lenin in Europe described the tactic quite graphically while Obama’s mentor Saul Alinsky’s in his book, Rules for Radicals lays out the philosophy in modern terms. Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.

  • jccbin

    What the left (and right) is missing is the germ of WHY people are coming to town halls.

    They think we are scared by rumors or misunderstanding. We are not scared. More of US have read the bill(s) and their assorted proposed amendments than members of Congress or their staffs or the wacky bunch of lobbyists who wrote most of it.

    What we are is angry and insulted.

    We are angry and insulted because the beltway crowd (figuratively and literally) thinks we don?t know the game and how it is played. We have known, since the birth of Progressive American politics, that the politicians are mostly thieves bent on lining the pockets of whomever can line their own pockets on the sly or after retirement or whatever. We have known that a large percentage of the money we pay in taxes is used to buy off people or blackmail them into submission. We know the ?Chicago? way. It has been around much longer than Chicago.

    We know the game. When you KNEW we knew the game, you didn?t play it as much. That you are brazenly trying to con us only shows your stupidity, dear Political Class. We don?t have to play the game to destroy you utterly. Our founding documents give us permission – NO – demand we exorcise pathos such as you from our nation.

    We are angry and insulted because we thought we had a deal with you pols: We?ll pay a certain amount of taxes so you can have your little power games and whores and make yourselves feel like you are something special, and in return, you will leave us the hell alone. But enough is never enough for those who live in an echo chamber filled with their own PR agents. Fine. We can revoke the Income Tax and take our money elsewhere without a single law being passed. It?s called emigration. Keep the slovenly and the unproductive. See how well they can finance new jets and tropical trips.

    The last 12 months or so of growing goverment, growing spending, bailouts for Goldman-Sachs (and almost NO one else- or do you think we can?t smell, too?), and the proposed eventual takeover of the healthcare system (in a decade or two, according to O?s own video records), means that you will come calling in the not-to-distant future for almost ALL our property just to keep up your interest payments. What if we simply refuse to pay or simply refuse to work to earn your pay?

    We are insulted and angry because you all broke the only covenant worth keeping. And breaking that covenant entitles us to remove you all from power.

  • Flagstaff

    a similar ploy. She staged a ‘citizen encounter’ in the entrance to a grocery store. When people couldn’t hear, couldn’t see, couldn’t be heard, couldn’t get in to buy groceries, things started to get out of hand. She had an easy excuse to cancel further meetings, saying they weren’t productive. Who in his right mind would expect a meeting held in the entrance to a grocery store to be productive?

    Details and video at Greg Patterson’s blog.

  • Flagstaff

    the narrow-sightedness of the Democrats is astounding.

    They think HillaryCare failed because of the process, so ObamaCare is following a different process. They are confused because that ploy isn’t working, either. They flounder around looking for reasons.

    The message isn’t getting through.

    Cable news is screwing up things.

    Right-wing talk radio is spreading lies.

    Glenn Beck is a “hater.”

    Opposition members are all racists.

    Septuagenarians are storming public meetings, disrupting civil discourse.

    They don’t even consider the truth: Americans didn’t like HillaryCare, and we don’t like the product, ObamaCare, that Obama is trying to sell to us. In fact, we are learning more and liking less–so much less that we’re now starting to distrust and dislike the salesman as well.

    Since they can’t admit that their product is flawed, they’ll continue to be bewildered as ordinary folks ask them “inconvenient” questions.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    held a Robo-Call generated Phone Conference Townhall… yet another way to stage those in the know to be in on it through the back door (direct dial in with advance warning to fellow Dem’s and ACORN types) and then UNANNOUNCED last minute calls to “constituents” that could then remain on the line and participate in the TeleConference (discussed on WJR with John McCollough) who also participated and had our questions REJECTED for inclusion!!!

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    I’ve been wondering if some of this isn’t deliberate, that is, the Dems refusing to bend on healthcare knowing we’re frustrated to begin with and their acting like they don’t understand how we could possibly be against it. All that has done is frustrate us even more, giving vent to it that the MSM is only all too willing to bend out of any context whatsoever. The best example of that yet is Barney Frank’s townhall. It’s like he came there wanting to provoke the crowd, re the “what planet are you from” statement to one lady and his rant on the war spending as a “reply” to another man’s question about how Frank expects to pay for health care. The more he dodged questions the more the crowd yelled, then came the what do you hope to accomplish by yelling remark which led to more frustration…. well, you get the idea. Now maybe the woman in the first video probably shouldn’t have brought the “Obama as Hitler” picture but the second one shows he clearly was not interested in answering questions honestly anyway. It wouldn’t have mattered if she had the picture or not.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    Referring to the videos I linked to,

    Now maybe the woman in the first video probably shouldn?t have brought the ?Obama as Hitler? picture but the second one shows he clearly was not interested in answering questions honestly anyway. It wouldn?t have mattered if she had the picture or not.

    the first vid is the man asking about funding, the second is the woman with the picture.

  • Xasteius
  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    and most of the vid shown via MSM is to try and make Barney (I’m responsible for the SubPrime crisis) Frank look like the one provoked and in the best light. In this day and age where people can see the complete videos, they are NOT going to continue to get away with it. You gave great examples! I’d seen that and it is NO COINCIDENCE that it keeps playing out that way over and over again all over the country! The MSM is complicit in covering the Dem’s with that Narrative and avoiding at all costs ANY SPECIFICS OF WHAT IS IN THE HC BILL!!!!

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    with that Narrative and avoiding at all costs ANY SPECIFICS OF WHAT IS IN THE HC BILL!!!!”

    Which leads to more anger and raised voices from a frustrated electorate, which leads to more “Why are you yelling” remarks from people like Frank, which leads to more frustration……

    *Grumble* *mutter* *grouch*

    Someone told me once when in an argument, don’t let the other person get you angry. They’ve won then. You’re the one off balance. Stay as calm as possible, then if he gets angry, continue the calm statements and he’ll get angrier. Some folks at townhalls can do this, on the other hand it easy to see why others lose it when dealing with someone like Frank. Also, you do tend to raise your voice some when it appears the other one is. Not. LISTENING!

    Frank and others are not listening.

  • Cheryl

    dayum, that’s all I can say. Great comment.

  • wgsampson

    Obama Lied !!
    Granny Died !!

  • Cheryl

    They simply thing we don’t have the intelligence and they know what’s best and we’re too simple and stupid.

  • illinois

    Wednesday 19th of August 2009 9:30
    – More than 60 percent would not accept new patients with government insurance (including 27% who would not accept any patients on the new government plan).

    Chairman of the ASMD, Alfred O. Bonati, M.D., said that, “As a physician, the results of this poll are not surprising to me. Any doctor who has ever dealt with Medicare knows that government coverage severely limits our abilities to deliver care that best fits the needs of the patient and the patient's family. We know that government coverage does not allow for flexibility, creativity, or, sometimes, even compassion.”

    “I hope this research will serve as a wake-up call to policy makers,” Bonati said. “Doctors are against the creation of government-run health insurance and many of us will not accept new patients with that type of coverage.”

    ASMD spokeswoman, Holly Pitt Young, noted that, “When it comes to our health, we listen to our doctors. Now it's time for Congress to do the same.” Pitt Young also highlighted the political orientation of the poll's participants. “More than 60 percent of the doctors in this poll described themselves as moderate, somewhat liberal or very liberal. When a group like that agrees with conservatives, it seems that something awfully important is being said.”

    *The poll was conducted on August 7th, 2009, by WRS Opinion Research on behalf of the ASMD. Detailed results can be found at www.theasmd.org.

    Dr. Bonati is the founder of The Bonati Institute and creator of the patented Bonati Procedure for laser spinal surgery. He lives and practices medicine in Hudson, Florida.

    Contact: Holly Pitt Young
    (202) 449-8665

    SOURCE American Society of Medical Doctors

  • http://www.scottbomb.com scottbomb

    Good post!

  • GregInFla

    you are spot on!

  • Brian Hibbert

    aren’t like them. These protesters are the people who volunteer to go to the military to fight for this country. These people aren’t afraid to die for the ideals of Freedom and Liberty and they are getting angry that the lefties are giving away the very freedoms the protesters watched their friends die to defend. These aren’t the people who ran to Canada to avoid the draft. They’re the ones who went to the recruiters office to enlist.

    The lefties don’t understand this at all. It seems to be an alien concept to them.

    If the lefties aren’t afraid themselves, they should be. They’ve awoken the anger of the silent majority.

  • Scope

    The Compassionate Squirrels, a fable with a lesson about socialism-

    http://www.kennethhuhn.com/wrotings/stories/the_compassionate_squirrels.pdf

  • Scope

    Charlottesville VA has stated openly that he is opposed to Obamacare and will not give the government any of his patients medical records. He is an OBGYN, and specializes in pre-natal diagnostics.

  • Ausonius

    This morning Grassley was asked if “pulling the plug on Grandma” was really in the Pelosi bill for NObamaCare.

    He placed the “blame” for using the phrase back on NObama’s use of the phrase, but then accepted the idea that such things are not really in the bill, at least intentionally.

    But then tip-toed linguistically by saying that people are inferring this because the government is involved, that cost-cutting will no doubt happen, and that therefore “pulling Grandma’s plug” could arise anyway.

  • redneck_hippie

    The death panel language has been removed…for now. What is to stop the medusa-headed, British-light health board from being resurrected a la the Death Book (see Amy Miller’s post)?

    The longer-living populace of the US of A is a testament to the excellence of care we have now. The methusela-like longevity of end of life counselling provision will put that in jeapardy.

  • Ausonius

    that health care costs are higher because it is so much better in America!

    He agreed that the country wants 1959 prices for a high-tech system, but that ultimately we do not spend too much more disposable income (meaning food, housing, energy, and health care: 53% in 1959 vs. 55% today) and so the “crisis” is not a crisis.

    Listening to Paul Krugman and Robert Reich jabber away nervously in defense of NObamaCare was interesting. As usual the “conservatives” (Will and David Frum) were not given the same amount of time.

  • izoneguy

    The Real Problem with Healthcare

    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.4041/pub_detail.asp

    Although we Americans have the best healthcare available anywhere on earth, our system is burdened with real problems, most related to cost. We have a Cadillac healthcare system with a used pickup truck population. Barack Obama has said that, as a people, we spend more and get less than is provided by other (healthcare) systems. Well, he?s half right. We do spend more on healthcare than any other nation, but we get an awful lot for it. So the problem becomes one of making it affordable for all, rich and poor alike.

    As a way of getting at the true cost of healthcare for all those who are either insured, or who pay for their care out of their own pocket, we should begin by separating out the healthcare costs of all those who cannot or will not pay. If 270 million Americans have some means of paying for their healthcare, and 30 million do not, let?s concentrate on getting healthcare costs for the 270 million out of the stratosphere and down to earth.

    If Obama and the Democrats feel the need to buy the political allegiance of 30 million uninsured people, including illegal immigrants, then so be it. We know that?s what Democrats do and there?s probably nothing we can ever do about that; it?s the nature of the beast. So, if we must, let?s provide the funds necessary to develop a system of low cost, not-for-profit community clinics? clinics that do not compete with private for-profit clinics and hospitals? for all those who now use hospital emergency rooms for their primary care.

  • redneck_hippie

    good enough for the unions and government employees?

    In the case of the esteemed congress, they won’t submit themselves to term limitation, so does anybody believe they would give up the ghost (i.e. submit to euthanasia) for the good of a productive society?

  • rbdwiggins

    They are in the minority, and their standard display of astroturf and demagoguery just won’t be enough this time around.

    However, they are correct about the rising opposition to government run healthcare. It is part of a Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy to defeat Obamacare.

    Almost eighty percent of the American electorate is ideologically positioned well to the right of President Obama and his Progressive minions.

  • Flagstaff

    It’s a case of them interpreting their own rules. There are procedures to appeal, and they can bend the rules if they are convinced you areright.

    When the government decides against you, TS. “It’s the law! No can change.”

  • Brian Hibbert

    When the insurance company rejects your treatment, you can still choose to get the care, pay for it yourself, then sue to insurance company to recover the costs. And even if you lose the case, you managed to get the care you needed.

    If the government decides you don’t need the care, you don’t get it. At least not in this country. You would have to cross the border to Mexico, pay for it yourself and hope that the doctors there know what they’re doing. It’s what the Canadians are doing now.

  • janis

    on FNS. Chris Wallace asked him if he’d sign on to Obamacare instead of insisting on staying with his Senate health care plan, and Arlen waffled all over the place on that one. The best he could come up with was to say that it would be his choice for all the American people to have a similar plan as the one that he’s on. Well, yeah, it’d be our choice, too, given that he doesn’t pay a dime for his plan! Not to mention that he’ll have it for the rest of his life, even if he does lose his seat in 2010.

    Who WOULDN’T want that kind of health care!

  • redneck_hippie

    and he knows it.

    It’d probably be his “choice” that we still had a functioning domestic automobile industry that could afford to employ union workers, too. Oops how can it be that that “choice” doesn’t exist? If these boobs had any brains, they’d stay off TV until they finish Rahming the bill through congress.

  • Flagstaff

    The end result of government care is that care becomes unavailable.

    Or, as William Krystol (I think it was he) said, it will be as if everybody got free bus tokens, but there were only two buses in service.