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So, the DNC declares that Cheney’s a proponent of torture.

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  August 30th, 2009 at 03:00 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

(Via Hot Air Headlines) Explicitly, and as part of the pushback to the Cheney interview where the former Vice President weighed the current President in the balance, and found him wanting.

Democrats hit back just minutes after Cheney’s interview aired. The Democratic National Committee fired off an e-mail to reporters disputing Cheney’s argument that the CIA records released last week showed the enhanced interrogation techniques under the Bush administration were effective in gathering intelligence about Al Qaeda. The e-mail, which cited various news reports, also accused the former vice president of being a “strong and vocal proponent of torture,” and pointed to polls that show “American’s don’t agree with Cheney on national security.”

Leaving aside for the moment the wanton cruelty done to the English language with that rogue apostrophe – grammar-boarding, perhaps? – I have to ask: will this official accusation by the Democratic National Committee be acted upon, or even officially noticed, by the President of the United States?  And if not: well, why not?  After all, I assume that he agrees with the accusation – no competent party leader would let his organization go so off-message like this – so you’d think that he’d want to do something about it.

You’d think.

Moe Lane.

Crossposted to Moe Lane.

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  • Flagstaff

    Their links all lead to travel ads.

  • Flagstaff

    We strongly support techniques that get results when it comes to saving American lives.

    Even the dreaded “panties on the head” maneuver is ok with us.

  • bantamwait

    I don’t see the problem–of course Cheney supports torture. It works–just ask KSM.

  • IJB

    “Torture” is pulling peoples’ fingernails out, hot pokers, glass in the urethra, drawing & quartering, the rack, etc.

    This stuff is so far from torture that it’s a *joke* more people aren’t calling out the Commies on their ridiculous abortion of the English language.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    I mean, if I were a conspiracy wing nut, you’d think everything that’s happening is geared toward orchestrating another devastating attack on the country.

    The FBI was put in charge of investigating the CIA. All things considered wouldn’t that also include Cheney’s “part.” Unless, they think they’re is something to gain by prosecuting these people swiftly, both Cheney and the CIA personnel, that could take years. The FBI does not move swiftly until they’ve had ample time for investigation.

    So, we’re either to have a swift administering of “justice” or a long drawn out process that will likely be forgotten before the next election while still being able to make the “claim.”

    However, it does rebuild the walls between agencies, doesn’t it?

    How, exactly, does the Obama administration expect to keep us safe or does it care that we’re returning to a 9/10 mentality?

  • lthurwitz

    Of course Cheney supported it – he was the driving force behind the policies – including hiring Blackwater to train assassination squads. Listen conservatives – Cheney is doing us NO favors. Crimes were committed under Bush Cheney and it is a blight upon the Republican party and certainly upon conservatives.

  • lthurwitz

    When Rush Limbaugh came out defending the earliest leaks about our torture techniques as no worse than fratboy pranks it made me really angry. We have codes of conduct and we take pride in living by them. We were betrayed by political leadership in the war and in GWOT. If we have the gutts to admit past wrongs, naybe we can prevent future ones.

  • JadedByPolitics

    want to stay alive at any cost. We are humans and it is in our gene’s to survive. I will take this moment again to thank President Bush and Vice President Cheney for saving us after 9-11 from another attack.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    There is a lot for which I can fault Bush but this is not one of them and very little for which I can fault Cheney.

  • americanmale

    And that is only because we agreed to it. 3000 MARTYRS. 3000 MARTYRS. 3000 MARTYRS. Have you forgot. Are you so far away that you did not get to see the empty spaces.

    Did you not get to stand there and realize that on September 11th, people experienced such fear that they thought that it would be better to JUMP 1000 FEET than to wait for rescue….which was never coming.

    President Bush stood there and said he would defend us..whatever the cost. AND HE DID. You Hindsight is 20/20 through coke bottle liberal lenses and is sickening.

    TORTURE? Tell that to the 3000 people who were tortured…just because they woke up one crisp, sunny fall morning.

  • Vegas_Rick

    You have no clue about codes of conduct. No left winger does. Honor means nothing to you twits.

    There are no past wrongs to admit to, you sanctimonious moron.

  • peg_c

    You really would think the Dems want to bring about another attack. Well, that’s the logical conclusion of all their policies, right?

    Man, Cheney just drives them bonkers. I hope he keeps it up!!

  • jdaman

    ithurwitz sounds like a troll to me.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    has said “never let a good crisis go to waste.” And if they run out of crises? Just a thought and I’ll be the first to admit I’m a paranoid old bag. The only problem with that is: nobody can give me a good reason not to be.

  • proudgop

    yup, serious I read one of the so called torture techniques was sleep depravation. I guess all my college professors have been tortured or all those doctors and nurses who work long hours without breaks ( imagine what it will be like under Obamacare)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If a person’s registration time is crossed out in his profile, he’s banned,

  • Tbone

    They actually think that they can win a “moral” arguement about interrogation techniques used on suspected terrorists. This is the echo chamber effect distilled into a single drop of stupidity.

    The growing mass of self described independent voters could care less how much sleep a terrorist gets. In fact, I bet a poll would find the majority of independents supporting physically dammaging techniques to prevent another 9/11.

    Yet, because a Dem get’s up infront of the MSM and attacks Cheney and the bobbleheads all nod in agreement, they think they are right. Idiots.

  • philbo

    Have we forgotten that current GOP leader and former presidential candidate John McCain for the Assistant Democratic Party agrees with this position? If the GOP is wondering why all of the voters who are fleeing the Democratic party are not flocking to the Assistant Democratic Party, maybe this is one of the many reasons why?

  • jdaman

    Reading comments from people like that gives me a pain right behind my left eye.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • randy streu

    Republican leadership is not doing enough to back up Cheney. Our candidates are too busy acting like democrats to show that there’s actually a difference between the parties.

    Can’t say I disagree, really. Except recently. Been pretty proud of MOST of our people (excepting, actually, some of those named above) on things like health care.

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    …the Left has towards Islamic jihadis.

    A majority of Americans would support whatever means necessary to safeguard our nation from terrorists. Why won’t the Left?

    I’d support some pretty harsh and eal torture if that was required to keep my country safe. I don’t care one bit about terrorists “human rights” or anything else against them.

    The Left are weak in mind, will, and spirit.

  • rbdwiggins

    and Sen. McCain is a leader to those who choose to follow…

    My personal observation: His followers lack sufficient numbers to obscure his shadow.

  • Flagstaff

    to be drawn from the actions of the ZerO are

    1. He wants to undermine our ability to defend ourselves from invaders or terrorists in the future.

    2. He is trying to do it in a way where no blame will fall upon him (it was Eric Holder’s idea to do that, not mine).

    3. He wants to weaken us both economically and militarily.

    4. He wants to undermine our influence in the world.

    5. He wants to put policies and bureaucracies in place that will hamstring future Presidents.

    6. He wants to weaken or destroy the power of any opposition party by destroying the ability of true grass roots dissent to be heard over the repression of the party in power (the Democrats).

    7. He wants to control all outlets of mass media.

    8. He wants to exercise even more power over the states by making them financially dependent on DC.

    9. He wants to weaken our alliances with traditional friends, while making us more dependent on our enemies.

    10. He wants to destabilize the dollar.

    I have never been a conspiracy crank, and I’m still not. This isn’t a conspiracy, it’s right out in plain sight. Our Constitutionally protected free press just can’t see it yet, or they’re suffering from “maybe he’ll eat us last” syndrome.

  • Flagstaff

    Oh, yes, I don’t have to. Twit.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …that my questions will not be answered. :)

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    They’re afraid. They should be.

  • mbecker908

    Black helicopters. Black jump suits. Black weapons. And, of course, white faces. Heh.

  • izoneguy

    And guess who they were targeting?

    Al Queda…..

    I would much rather have that then have Obama & Pelosi targeting American citizens and calling then Nazi’s & Un-American.

    Obama sends out the SEIU & ACORN to harass & intimidate innocent Americans that are speaking while practicing our 1st Admendment rights.

    Al Queda are not covered by our Constitution.

    It seems as if Obama sides with the terrorists and wants to strip Constitutional rights from American citizens.

  • marshmom

    However; we can partially deliver third trimester infants, stick a pair of scissors into their skulls and suck out their brains.

    KSM can’t be sleep deprived or forced to listen to Metallica, but babies who live through botched abortions are not deserving of medical care to keep them alive. They’re left, instead, in a closet to die by themselves, suffering.

    This all makes perfectly good sense……..to a warped, deranged liberal.

  • bs

    They do not believe in inherent evil. They do not believe there is a standard of good and evil. They believe that the Islamic jihadis are poor misguided souls who can be rehabilitated if we’re nice enough to them. This is why Clinton, and now Obama, wish to treat terrorism as a crime problem and sic the FBI on them rather than taking action to eradicate the evil. Brian Faughnan touched upon this in his excellent diary last week.

    As a Christian, I recognize that there is evil in the world. I recognize that terrorists embody this evil. I believe that those who are sinners deserve the chance to repent and seek the One True God. However, these Islamists have already rejected this. Therefore, I shake the (Islamist) dust from my sandals and support any and all efforts of the CIA and the military to eliminate the perps and the problem.

  • mbecker908

    with John McCain. And George Bush didn’t even whimper on the subject.

    If you’re collecting bobble head dolls that’s two more you can add to your collection.

  • Scope

    They are not misguided, ignorant, untelligent, or lacking in policy positions. They want to control the country first, and then be the leaders of the “global community.” Their is nothing misguided about any Liberal. They are sinners, and will never ever “repent” to the point that they will dissuade evil in this world. I think you comment is naieve. I grew up in the education of the Catholic church. I have left their teachings long long ago. They don’t seem to get it that pouring money at a poverty issue does nothing to get those in poverty out of that poverty. From what I understand, the Pope is all for Nationalized Healthcare, but, only has a sticking point with the Liberal bill paying for Abortion. They are against “birth control”, but have always been a proponent of having as many good little Catholics as possible, even if you cannot support them. I was told, by a Catholic priest that God would take care of them. Really! I am looking for some other religion that doesn’t preach how terrible, and how much of a sinner you are, and has a positive message about God. I am so sick and tired of the sermons about how terrible you are if you even have a bad thought. I’m sure I will get some flak with this post, by the Catholica, so be it. That was the only experience I’ve had with the Catholics.

  • Flagstaff

    ZerO was their own creation, sponsored by George Soros.

    They need to do their jobs, as the Las Vegas Review-Journal did today.

    It needs to be said loud and clear: “We don’t need the media to lie for us, but we do need the media to report the facts all around. It is their CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY.”

  • Scope

    I am currently involved with a local website discussion where the very active thread involves some asking if there is any “room” in the Republican party for “moderates.” The antognist suggests that abortion should be legal up until 10 weeks. Does that mean that she believes that one can be “just a little pregnant”?

  • Scope

    I am currently involved with a local website discussion where the very active thread involves some asking if there is any “room” in the Republican party for “moderates.” The antognist suggests that abortion should be legal up until 10 weeks. Does that mean that she believes that one can be “just a little pregnant”?

  • archer52

    By golly, if you are retired, it’s not deer season yet, and you aren’t doing anything else, I guess making bad guys suffer and puke up their guts is an great hobby! Especially, if it leads to saving thousand or hundred of thousands of American lives.

    I mean, I’d do it, probably for free. But I fear the DNC would have kittens if they got a look at my plans. If they get worked up at smoke being blown in someone’s face, empty guns being cycled, and some cold air being blown on a terrorist, then I would definitely make their eyes roll into the back of their heads, have them grab their chests and yell, “Elizabeth, I’m coming, I think this is the big one!”

  • mbecker908

    after that for any reason except the “actual life” of the mother, I’d take it. It’s called incrementalism. It’s also called “winning”.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    in captivity pre 9/11. Inter-agency bureaucracy and rules prohibited these dots from being connected.

    3,000 lives were sacrified to those rules and bureaucracy. Here we are less than a decade after and that naif Charlie Brown Obama is trusting the Lucy bureaucracy already.

  • mallcopsaysno

    Always acting from afar, snug in his undisclosed location, never getting his hands dirty or dealing directly with the consequences of his actions.

    I never liked the guy, but he (with help from special agent Jack Bauer) did make torture cool again. He’s winning the battle of public opinion. Credit to Mr. Cheney for owning the press on this issue.

  • harlan

    Period.

    That does not mean ALL rank and file democrats, but it does describe the leadership and it’s elected minions to a D.

    And there are quite a few of the union membership and government teat-suckers that would qualify as well.

  • Brian Hibbert

    Seriously?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    As long as he does, he doesn’t have to think about the two questions that I asked.

  • JadedByPolitics

    in it brings the ROACHES out of the woodwork. Thank you Vice President Cheney for protecting all of us and the roaches too!

  • mbecker908

    Vote for a Democrat, you qualify as “craven”.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    So be nice. :)

  • mbecker908

    And I remembered that sticky fact just as I hit “Post”.

  • rbdwiggins

    in fact, it’s in spite of the press. Dick Cheney’s winning the battle of public opinion because the American people trust the former vice president on the issue.

    Too bad President Obama doesn’t enjoy that same trust.

    WALLACE: One specific question about Holder, the Obama administration — you put out the statement saying that you were upset that President Obama allowed the attorney general to bring these cases. A top Obama official says, hey, maybe in the Bush White House they told the attorney general what to do, but Eric Holder makes independent decisions.

    CHENEY: Well, I think if you look at the Constitution, the president of the United States is the chief law enforcement officer in the land. The attorney general’s a statutory officer. He’s a member of the cabinet.

    The president’s the one who bears this responsibility. And for him to say, gee, I didn’t have anything to do with it, especially after he sat in the Oval Office and said this wouldn’t happen, then Holder decides he’s going to do it. So now he’s backed off and is claiming he’s not responsible.

    I just, I think he’s trying to duck the responsibility for what’s going on here. And I think it’s wrong.

    Apparently, the American people do too. Most don’t support President Obama’s decision to investigate the CIA and worry that the investigation will hurt national security.

  • rec0n

    “no competent party leader would let his organization go so off-message like this”

    You must not have seen Diane Watsons most recent contribution on YouTube, then. Golden.

    For the record, I love the heck out of Cheney. I watched the interview today with my chin in my hand thinking ‘wish he was our President’.

  • mallcopsaysno

    I could give two answers, but that title sums it up nicely.

    No doubt the DNC is off message as far as Obama is concerned, but should Obama decide to comment, that will just bring more pressure on him to do something more proactive than watch Holder go after a few token, unlucky interrogators. That was never part of the Hope & Change plan.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Not as craven as the members of the antiwar movement, of course – but then, who is?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Your ‘Five Deferments’ sneer offends me. Apologize to the site for being uncivil enough to personalize your opposition to the GWOT. Then apologize for your demonstrated lack of Constitutional understanding; specifically, the role of the civilian power in formulating military policy.

    Next post, please.

  • cclive
  • Finrod

    That is, if you can even get a copy of it (the one in the Senate isn’t even available to be scored).

    Trying to get health care after the Democrats nationalize it? That’ll be torture squared. Basically trying to live under any big bill the Democrats pass is torture; you’ll notice how they always exempt themselves and their big supporters from the crap they pass.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • cclive
  • Aaron Gardner

    Join the Tea Party movement in your area, become a precinct committeeman, write and call your Senators and Representatives about every issue that comes up, donate to candidates and organizations that are fighting against that agenda publicly, write a letter to the editor of your local paper taking on some of the issues, go to a town hall meeting and ask questions, or a myriad of others.

    Fight the battles individually, let the generals focus on the war. Don’t allow yourself to be overwhelmed.

  • cclive

    if he gets control of all outlets of mass media like he wants then it’ll be tough to get the word out.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • izoneguy

    except for FOX.

    Their ratings keep going up while the Old Stream Media is crashing……

  • cclive

    so while I like your recommendations his conclusions about Obama’s goals/intentions are daunting to say the least if he is working to control all outlets of mass media, waiting til 2012 or writing letters to newspapers might not work so well.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You don’t like those things, or think they will be ineffective. I got that.

    What are *you* suggesting we do?

  • Amy Miller

    It might be tough, but the effort will be worth it. I refuse to sit on my hands while things like this happen, because it’s no longer some abstract concept…they’re ACTING ON the abstract concepts, and the results will be disastrous.

    If he gets control of the outlets of the mass media, we’ll have to adapt, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight it before it actually happens. Don’t sell us short! In fact, join us.

  • cclive

    See above. In light of Flagstaff’s conclusions they might be tough to do but I didn’t say we shouldn’t do them though.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • Flagstaff

    a Tea Party with the Tea Party Express.

    Aaron’s other action items are worthwile, too.

    If you know anybody who has the money, he could set up an organization like the Tides, which Soros uses to distribute his wealth for liberal causes. Then we could be paid and perhaps accomplish more.

    Legally, we’re restricted pretty much to getting the word out well enough to make people think for themselves. It’s not brain surgery. The folks at the town hall meetings have done wonders without even intending to.

  • Flagstaff

    It was impromptu, and therefore subject to being off the mark.

  • Flagstaff

    and yet I have never read a post from you before?

    You sound like a smart guy; have you contributed any diary entries? Thomas Paine accomplished a lot with the written word.

  • cclive

    I don’t think I could add any. Writing letters to newspapers is a great idea.

  • cclive

    So what are some of your ideas from keeping Obama from controlling all outlets of mass media? Aaron Gardner offered some good suggestions, have any to add?

  • cclive

    Thanks for the added suggestions!

  • Aaron Gardner

    since you have yet to do so.

    We are all waiting.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • Amy Miller

    It’s a good one!

  • Flagstaff

    They never want to blame the content of the letters.

    Their letters don’t make sense, and ours do.