Made-up Aristotle quote?


Here we go again*.  From James Taranto’s Best of the Web:

Yesterday we received an email from a loyal reader who nonetheless seems to disagree with everything we write–a type of reader for whom we have a special, if slightly perverse, affection. Our correspondent included a quote that he attributed to Aristotle:

If we believe men have any personal rights at all, then they must have an absolute moral right to such a measure of good health as society can provide.

Could an ancient philosopher, a man who lived and died many centuries before the advent of either socialism or modern medicine, really have been in favor of socialized medicine? We were skeptical, to say the least, and decided to do a bit of Web sleuthing.

Said sleuthing indicated that if the quote exists in what we have left of Aristotle’s works, interested researchers have not been able to find it.  It’s also revealed an interesting point about the quote: while it’s been reported that RFK had used it during his 1968 Presidential campaign (examples here and here**), the earliest reference from it so far is from 1979.

Moe Lane

*Possibly slightly unfair to bring up the Julius Caesar / Barbra Streisand thing – but then, life isn’t fair.

**The sourcing from Thurston Clarke’s (who, by the way, passive-aggressively accused THAT WOMAN of trying to get the President assassinated) The Last Campaign is as follows:

186 when he spoke at the University of Indiana Medical School: [John] Nolan interview; JFKLOH [Oral Histories, John F. Kennedy Library], Nolan; JSOH [Oral Histories compiled by Jean Stein and George Plimpton, John F. Kennedy Library], Quinn, pp. 37-42 (Quinn made a tape of the event and played it during his interview with Jean Stein); [Jules] Witcover, 85 Days, pp. 165-66; NYT, April 23, 1968; RFKCS [RFK: Collected Speeches], pp. 342-44; Indianapolis Star, April 27, 1968

Another visit to the library is in order; fortunately, RFKCS is available at my local one. I’d be very interested to peruse the oral history records, but I don’t have the research budget to fly to Boston.  At any rate, it should be reasonably easy to verify that RFK actually used the quote; it’ll either be part of the speech transcript, or on the available recordings (the only one that isn’t would be the one from Jean Stein’s collection, but it’d be very odd if that was the only place that this showed up).

Crossposted to Moe Lane.


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I thought I'd heard some such non-sense on CNN...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, October 17th at 5:56PM EST (link)

but dismissed it as me being mistaken…. They probably ran with it or the “thought” originated there and began to make its way into the normal Lefty-loon Talking Points.

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Socrates, Plato, Aristotle

locomotivebreath1901 Saturday, October 17th at 6:51PM EST (link)

The best known student of Aristotle’s philosophy was Alexander the Great. Hardly a champion of individual liberty & God-given rights.

And I could be wrong, but I believe that very little of Aristotle’s original works exist, outside of what his students wrote down.

The Greeks were concerned with enlightenment, and practically invented the art of philosophy – ontology & epistemology with a good dose of mathematics and geometry thrown in just to epicurean the ladies horizontal at the parthenon Saturday night.

This whole ‘quote’ smacks of convenient modern era narrative: personal rights; absolute; good health; provide?

Individual liberty & God-given rights were concepts not widely regarded in society or law until many, many centuries later during the Enlightenment era. And providing health is certainly a concept only come to fruition with the advent of 20th century techno-wonders.

Gotta luv me some ol’ dead guys for wisdom, though. They know just what to demagogue from the grave.

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6eorge Jetson (Diary) Saturday, October 17th at 7:02PM EST (link)

-Aristotle, per Wikipedia

That is hilarious.

GCBWI (Diary) Monday, October 19th at 6:53PM EST (link)

Are you sure Mark Twain didn’t say that? i vaguely remember reading that when quotes are misattributed, Mark Twain is a favorite…

commonly atributed to Coach Woody Hayes of Ohio State

kyle8 (Diary) Monday, October 19th at 6:59PM EST (link)

but might have actually come from a lesser known coach.

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Kyle