Ah, former Governor Palin?

Vegas_Rick

No guts, no glory.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Use your voice to draw attention where it is needed.

JadedByPolitics

EXCEPT late-term birth abortion and Sarah Palin is NOT for abortion AT ALL!

I have to say it is sad that he is that way and I understand he is up in MA but the bottom line is he is FOR abortion except in the last trimester according to EVERYTHING I have read. I still support him OVER Coakley who would KILL THE BABIES in the FINAL month but I don’t see Sarah jumping on this bandwagon….though she could surprise me!

http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

…since she’s not a declared anything except patriot.

I hope she does the right thing, or, at least can explain why not to RedState.

newsentinel

and I can’t see Sarah Palin compromising her own beliefs to endorse Scott Brown. I recently took a look at Brown’s voting record and he votes on environmental and union issues the way a moderate Democrat would vote. So, if Palin decides to sit this dance out, who could blame her?

Swamp_Yankee

I’m a big fan of Palin and I like Brown, but that relationship would serve nobody.

Palin doesn’t need to inject herself in every race. Brown is still a little light on some social issues. I dont think it would do her much good to back a pro-choice candidate. Nor would it her good to back such a long shot.

On Scott’s side, he doesnt need anyone from the national party, whether they are considered “establishment” or “anti-establishment” in GOP circles, they are all establishment up here. Palin, especially, is poison. She drives them mad, even the types of Democrats who may vote for Brown. All should we do is rally a portion of the local GOP that is already mobilized from Brown. Furthermore, she may mobilize liberals who are sitting this one out.

There is NO real mobilzation for Coakley. No energy. She has a lot of soft support. Palin would galvinize The Left.

Swamp_Yankee

McCain endorses Brown.

http://www.mysimplehomegarden.com tbaleno

I am a HUGE Palin fan, but her endorsing Scott Brown would be VERY BAD.

One person said you have to speculate to gain. There is no speculation here. Scott Brown needs democrats to vote for him in order to win. If Palin endorsed him he will loose democrats. he would not gain anything from it. If she wanted to help maybe she could do it quietly by giving him some money, but she should NOT publicly endorse Brown.

JadedByPolitics

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Third Street

In fact, I don’t think there are many places where Sarah Palin would be a net benefit at all, because she has the effect of energizing the Left just as much as she does the Right, canceling out any positive effect her support would generate. In Massachusetts, trotting her out would be suicide.

http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica Estrada

too early for her to steep herself into American consciousness if she wants to do the presidential run.

JadedByPolitics

especially down here in the Southern states where her LARGEST base of support is….no need to go all silly.

peg_c

Also shared on FB, where I have 100s of conservative friends and Palin fans who are friends. FB is also gearing up for Brown.

This is exactly what we need Palin to do all this year – high profile endorsements and campaigning for good conservatives all over the country. The time to start is definitely with Brown, who will start the Congressional transformation we need with a bang!

Vegas_Rick

“In fact, I don?t think there are many places where Sarah Palin would be a net benefit at all,”

Time will tell.

mbecker908

someone for an office that will have absolutely NO impact on the abortion debate for the next 50 years because he’s pro-choice?

Sorry that’s even a weaker excuse than the one she gave for resigning.

That said, she should funnel money to Scott and keep her mouth shut.

mbecker908

Vegas_Rick

And I do belive you’re correct. These are not the issues where Sarah can, or should, compromise.

http://www.mysimplehomegarden.com tbaleno

He is moderate. Neither has anything to gain by her public endorsement of him. Keep everything behind the scenes.

I beg you guys not to try to get her involved publicly. It would cost Brown the election.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

This isn’t a NY-23 situation: there was an opportunity to put in a more conservative candidate, and the Republican voters of MA declined to take it. Brown in that seat will have synergistic effects on Congressional races from Bangor to San Diego. And Brown is on the record as being ready to hit the ground running on stopping the health care rationing bill, if we still can. I’m not going to be mad at Palin if none of that convinces her to endorse, but I personally think that it’s enough.

Anyway, we’ve been told a lot of things about the effect Sarah Palin will have on races, both positive and negative. I want to see what those effects actually are.

Swamp_Yankee

Palin Will Alienate Potential Democrat Votes and Galvinize the Left

…. please dont go here. You’ll put Palin in a no win situation by urging her to do something she shouldn’t do. For the Republic, let’s just kill this now.

JadedByPolitics

his vote on that SOCIALIST hcr would be HUGE when it comes back to the Senate and a few hundred thousand dollars is worth that type of bang for her buck and ours for that matter!

aesthete

That should guarantee that the Dems stay home, hopefully.

aesthete

proudgop

Its Massachusetts it won’t serve Brown any good and it will only be something Martha will use against him

MathMom

If it sold well, she might be a valuable asset to him..

I remember that she offered to campaign for some candidates. Some accepted, some declined. She won’t go where she’s not wanted. I’ll bet they have been in contact already, and she’ll do as asked.

Re the abortion question, it’s not a deal breaker for me. You have to kill Obamacare and pull us back from the brink. Abortion question is for later. When the house is on fire, you call the fire department, not the remodeler.

massreddog

I agree with you, Swamp_Yankee. Palin wouldn’t be a help in Mass. Coakley is not inspiring many and we don’t need Palin to inspiring them for her. Palin may be a big help in many States. Mass just isn’t one of them.

SteveLA

tbaleno,

Mass is a moderate state, with voters who are moderate, so why shouldn’t a moderate R run for the seat? Even more, why not support the best and most conservative in the race, surely that is not a Democrat is it?

mbecker908

Her face on TV will insure big turn out from the far left who hate her more than they are bored by Coakley.

mbecker908

relatively speaking – Attila the Hun.

In Arizona he’d be a left leaning moderate, but we take what we can get.

aesthete

Mass is a screaming, far-left, liberal nutjob state. A “moderate” is a real steal around those parts, and I’d say that Brown is more of a Guiliani-type moderate than the backstabbing type, a la McCain.

mbecker908

Swamp_Yankee

I don’t think he is saying tht Brown shouldn’t run. He’s trying to help Brown.

JadedByPolitics

for Palin not to get involved as it would cost Brown the election however you seem to have ASSUMED he was making a knock on Brown….reading comprehension is your friend!

JadedByPolitics

there is no CHANGING that and recognizing that is the first step to her choosing her support and again she has an INCREDIBLY HUGE Christian Right following that would drop her like a hot potato if she were to support an abortion RIGHTS candidate….not a smart move for EITHER party!

mbecker908

who would vote against ObamaCare, I’m pro-choice.

aesthete

Add to that the fact that, as much as we hate to say it, Brown is an (awesome) long-shot, and the damage that it would do to Ms. Palin’s “brand” if he loses, and you’ve got yourself at least three reasons for not supporting, from her point of view.

redtillimdead

His opponent, Jack E. Robinson was a self-described “progressive Republican”

SteveLA

mbecker

Proving once again the old admonition, “All politics is local”. Guess the one size fits all “new conservatism” might not fit everywhere, could that be the proverbial “Big Tent”?

vanekl

SteveLA

Moe,

Aren’t there really only two possible outcomes?

Good: Governor Palin excites voters who come out for Brown.

Bad: Governor Palin alienates or worse excites the Liberal base to come out and vote against Brown as a Palin stand in for her brand of conservatism.

I’m not sure finding out what the Palin effect would be right now with ObamaCare on the line is the best time to run that experiment.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

Better now than in the middle of the 2010 election season.

Swamp_Yankee

There is only one shot to stop ObamaCare. We need a perfect storm, but it can be done. The worse thing that can happen is that we awaken the sleeping giant that is the Democratic Base.

Brown needs a motivated GOP base. He needs to pull independents away from Coakley by about a 2-1 margin. And he needs about half of the loyal Democrat Base to sit this one out.

Palin wouldnt rally anybody. They are already motivated. The biggest risk for Brown is that the Democrats awake from the Coakley-Deval-Obama induced slumber.

I’d rather expeiment with Sarah in 2010. We’ll win tons of seats anyway and by the Democratic Onslaught will be over as will hav a helathly filibuster and a much more conservative house.

But we only ONE SHOT here. One shot to shock the world and kill ObamCare. And a big piece of that perfect storm is not lighting a fire under ther arses of the Democrats.

chbroussard

Don’t ask Palin to compromise her principles for this seat. It’s not worth it. I can just hear the libs saying “she was against abortion before she was for it.” In order to win the war, you have to choose your battles carefully, and this isn’t one of them.

eldstenorge

Go ahead with all your crap of attacking Sarah, mbecker. She did not have any “weak excuse” for resigning as Governor of Alaska. If I were a resident of Alaska and went through all the damn Democrats did to her, all the ethics complaints costing her myriads of money, and her and her staff having to spend tons of state money on complaints which were dismissed, filed by known Democrats just trying to make her rough, I would be thanking her. Sarah Palin is one of the only true people out there today on the Republican front. No one else can light a candle to her.

And, ABORTION? We support someone who does not understand the FIRST RIGHT to personhood? Babies are children of God and even liberals have never been able to get by the FACT that a fetus IS LIFE, period. And, how can you stand for the Savior if you stand in the corner of someone who murders God’s children? In this case, I would vote for him, but I have put my checkbook away after finding he is prochoice. I was going to send him money, but will not now. But, I do hope, considering what he has to live with in the immorality capital of the nation, he wins the election.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

…support prochoice candidates. Is the reverse true as well?

dnlchisholm

Now that McCain and Romney have endorsed Scott Brown and all of Mitt’s supporters at http://www.mittromneycentral.com/2009/12/30/scott-brown-could-be-our-41st-vote-in-the-senate/ are working their tails off, I think it’s time for Sarah to throw her support behind Scott Brown. It would be awesome if she just sent out one status on facebook directing her followers to Scott Brown’s website and facebook page. With her support and all the others Scott has already gotten, we can still win this thing yet!

SteveLA

Moe,

Not speaking for anyone other than this RINO, but abortion is not what I vote for or against a candidate over.

If the person standing for office is good on fiscal matters, good on law and order, good on military matters, and pro-life, that’s not a deal breaker for me voting for them. However if that’s all they are; SIVV appeal type like say a Mike Hucka Hucka, forget about it.

As to not being an issue, it’s very rare that a politician is single dimensional, at least for a RINO voter and at least in CA.

http://www.mysimplehomegarden.com tbaleno

By doing nothing you are siding with his opponent and are guilty of her sins.

http://www.mysimplehomegarden.com tbaleno

“I don’t agree with all of his positions, but If we are to move the country away from progressivism we must give him our support.”

A post on her social networking sites would be sufficient. No major media attention or videos or anything.

She should treat it like a passing thought.

chbroussard

that pro-lifers shouldn’t support pro-choice candidates and vice-versa. A pro-choice candidate is not a deal breaker for me. What I am simply saying is that this particular race is not a battle I would send her into. There will be a lot of media attention on this race, simply because it’s Kennedy’s old seat. Sometimes you
can be a lot more effective behind the scenes rather than
standing in the spotlight.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

nt

Achance

SoCons, which is mostly code for Pro-life, will vote for a national defense and economic liberal if he/she is Pro-life and will vote against a national defense and economic conservative if s/he isn’t absolutely opposed to abortion at any time and under any circumstances.

People would do well to note that even in very Red Alaska, she hardly ever made a peep about abortion in her campaigns or in her governing agenda. Sen. Lyda Green’s requests to get a parental permission bill into the ’07 (I think) Special Session that dealt with oil taxes and AGIA were bluntly rebuffed by Palin. Palin is by all appearances very much Pro-life at a philosophical and personal level, but even in a place where it is much safer to make abortion a political issue that MA, she was smart enough not to.

Scope

Back a good while ago, Erick Erickson had told me in a comment that the only requirement for front pagers was that they had to be pro-life. So, does that mean that you can be personally pro-life, but, support someone that is not pro-life all the way? I’m just curious if Erick’s policy changed, or if I misunderstand.

mbecker908

diary. I really don’t give a tinkers dam about you or your opinions based on this little brain dead screed.

Hope you like living under Democrat rule because with your standards you’ll never see a Republican in the White House or Republican control of Congress.

Shoo. Try Little Green Footballs.

sybilll

I have read, and re-read this thread going back and forth in my mind on my position. After much thought, I completely agree with you. And, I hope some of Sarah’s people are reading this. Though I’ll be begging her to take a stand when the race seems right, this one just doesn’t.

mbecker908

SoCons and SIVVs.

I’m a social conservative. I’m about as anti-abortion as you can get, if I answered truthfully, I’d never be on a jury for an abortion clinic bomber. I’m absolutely opposed to gay marriage. If it were up to me, I’d stop gay adoption.

Now then, back in the real world.

The only person who can possibly have any impact on abortion is POTUS as a result of executive orders and court appointments. On that note, I was a vigorous Rudy supporter because he would have left the EOs in place and I liked his judicial review panel alot. That combined with the fact that during his eight years as mayor of one of the most liberal cities in the nation the absolute number of abortions went down.

My goal isn’t to reduce or stop abortions. My goal is to take the country back. Then we can deal with abortion. Actually, then we will deal with it.

I think you’ll find “most” socons mirror me to a great extent. All things equal, I’ll vote pro-life. I will NEVER vote for a Democrat who says he’s pro-life and I don’t vote for marginal third parties or for single issue social candidates.

There certainly are some SIVVs out there. They fueled Huck’s campaign and they’re still around, just look at the idiot below.

mbecker908

defends the ME Girls on a regular basis here.

itsjoanne

I don’t think any person endorses another without both parties being in agreement first.

If Sarah was to endorse Scott (even just on her facebook page) wouldn’t they discuss it first?

I agree with those that she is a huge asset to some candidates and poison to others. Remember we are talking about Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states in the nation.

If I remember right her PAC sent money to McConnell and Christie but that was it. Neither of them wanted her there, and I would guess Scott would say the same.

Now on the other hand, her endorsement and help would be welcomed by some candidates. Marco Rubio, Jim DeMint, John Thune, David Vitter are examples of people who likely would appreciate her help.

SteveLA

If Brown were to win, there could be a new TRIO for the “true conservatives” to complain about…;)

mbecker908

but they probably wouldn’t have ObamaCare to bitch about.

http://www.mysimplehomegarden.com tbaleno

and win a big election in MA. Even if you are you have to tone it down. For instance he may claim to be pro-choice, but if you look, he is for parental consent which is against what most pro-choice people would say.

So it is hard to say if he is pro-life or pro-choice. He has made claims that he is “pro-life personaly” So I think his heart is in the right place but politically he has to take a step back and fight the fight behind the enemy lines. First he requires parental consent, then more and more limitations. In this state if you want things to happen you can’t just go in guns blazing to get what you want. You have to be more subtle.

SteveLA

Like all good Political Prostitutes, do the ME sisters have a price that if Horrible Harry and the Boy President would offered, they’d take for their votes in favor of Obamacare? I sure don’t want to find out.

rbdwiggins

to represent Massachusetts in the United States Senate, and when elected and sworn to office, I will respect his honest opinion. But, I too will stand on my principles of protecting the innocent, and will do everything in my power to persuade him to change his mind. That’s the beauty of open and honest debate.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

Longer version: RS as a site will not endorse prochoice candidates, and front-pagers are universally prolife. But I can support a prochoice Republican candidate, and even front that support, as you might recall from a past NJ-12 post.

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/08/30/hmm-meet-mike-halfacre-r-cand-nj-12/

Abortion isn’t my primary yardstick for judging a candidate, although I am prolife (particularly now that I have kids). I can easily tolerate a MA prochoice Senator who’s on the record as running in order to kill Obamacare dead, dead, dead. Heck, he’s less likely to be tempted into making a false choice by Stupak-style language in the Senate version.

aesthete

isn’t endorsing Scott Brown?

LittleL1954

The RNSC has offered $50K to his campaign and the RNC… wonders why we no longer give money to National’s. I know Brown is not as Conservative as many of us would like but if the RNSC/RNC is willing to give to Crist, Snow, Collins… why are they blowing a chance to keep the Dems from getting to 60 in the Senate.
When will the National’s get with the grassroots and get back to Honesty and Truth beiong more important than who a candidate sucks up to to get money. The grassroots have figured it out, the Natl’s have not!

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

The subject hasn’t really come up.

mbecker908

any more than a Palin endorsement.

He’s getting lots of press here and I suspect some cash. I don’t think an “endorsement” will give him any more.

BlackConservative

We are told to sit down and shut up about social issues over electability. Now I do understand this is Taxachussetts that we are talking about, but the fact is, pro choice people may get Republican support, but they should not get full fledged Conservative support and endorsements. I certainly don’t see the moderate crowd coming oiut for us-in fact its more likely they shove us in the corner until they want us to do the GOTV and the heavy lifting because moderates cannot win a race without us. Should we do heavy hitting for a McCain winger whose going to pull a McCain on us as son as he hits the Senate? Not on my dime.

conservativemusician

And if she is harboring 2012 presidential aspirations (as I beleve that she is) she might not get the nomination in 2012 if she endorses this guy. Palin is marketing herself as the outsider, so to me, this would look like another inside-the-beltway kind of action where principle is sacrificed just to get another person with and “R” next to their name. Haven’t we all had enough of RINOs that we can’t depend on in crunch time? Not sure I agree with you either that he wouldn’t vote yes on Obamacare when push comes to shove. That’s the whole point with RINOs – you can’t really depend on them to vote ideologically on conservative principle.

Like you, I agree that if this is the best MA can do in offering up an alternative to the Dems, then fine, I wish him the best. However, we also have to consider that this endorsement has the potential to seriously damage Palin’s credibility with the base, which is very pro-life. We’re probably going to pick up at least 5 to 6 seats even without Brown getting elected, so I say it would be wise for her to leave this one alone and let the McCains of the world do the endorsing of these types of northeastern candidates.

I really don’t see any up side to her making this endorcement, especially if he loses because then the media would beat up on her again that she doesn’t really have enough influence or credibility to get this guy elected – just like in NY-23. Just my 2 cents.

http://www.mysimplehomegarden.com tbaleno

Lifenews.com says “In a state known for its left-leaning and pro-abortion politics, Brown has an uphill battle but he enjoys the support of Massachusetts Citizens for Life.”

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

[NT]

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

If you mean ‘Expedient Republicans like Arlen Specter?’ Sure, we’ve all had enough of that type.

If you mean ‘Republicans that I don’t like’ – nope, sorry, the designation’s far too vague to be meaningful.

conservativemusician

Just like Specter and the ME twins and the other RINOs, like Graham who is all over the map. I honestly don’t know a lot about Brown, but it is good that he is campaigning against Obamacare in his platform. However, as we’ve seen in recent weeks, politicians have a tendency to get rolled when the money flows their way and that is my real fear with Brown. Is he really going to stand strong against the Dems, seeing that his philosophy is more closely aligned as a moderate and wanting to “reach across the aisle”?

I would sure feel better about things if we were talking about a true conservative in the way most of us here interpret conservatism. I know that this is not the reality of the situation here, but my point still stands that Palin should not endorse Brown as there is more negative that could happen than positive, especially in such a liberal state like MA that hates her guts.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

But to drill down a little: we know – or at least we’re told – that voters in liberal states will hate her guts. But we don’t really know why: and the difference in why might be relevant. Frex, if it’s because they see her as hyper-conservative, that’s not the same as because they see her as unintelligent – or because they see her as they were carefully told to see her by loudmouthed Democrats. I’d rather get data on this now, in a state that’s already D, then find out six months down the line.

That’s all. I know that opinions on this differ.

conservativemusician

Especially that how she is perceived in liberal states has been highly influenced by the leftist Dems. Still a risky strategy, but it would be interesting to see how this would play out on both sides of the aisle if she did make the endorsement.

gekster

You can find out about his Ma voting record, speaches and such.

from Project Vote Smart:
http://votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=18919

Maybe this will help you and others to decide.
Maybe not.

gekster

itsjoanne

They certainly could do some ads there if they want to. However, I know the Club only endorses candidates they are 100% sure are fiscally conservative.

Also I’m 100% pro life myself, and wish Brown was, but at least he supports parental notification and the partial birth abortion ban. With Coakely you get someone who would be rated 100% by NARAL. So Brown’s beliefs are a step in the right direction.

And someone like him could possibly be persuaded to be totally pro life at some point. Sure wouldn’t happen with Martha.

antisocial

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jyalai

She could just tweet a phrase saying that any candidate that wants to limit government is the smart choice, and refer to that race. She may have the ability to sway independents without mobilizing the Democrats. That’s the fine edge she would need to walk. I am adamantly pro-life, but it is currently secondary to defeating the democratic machine. We must stop the socialization of America.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

How often, if ever, have endorsements been given that are not welcomed by a candidate. Does Brown want Palin’s endorsement? Unless he asks, no endorsement should be given. It it is requested, for me it’s a tough call – based on the social issues, and I’d defer to Palin on the decision. although I’d personally vote for Brown if I was in MA.

arc_ut

I am amazed that former Gov. Palin has seemed not to be endorsing national candidates generally.

Sen. Bob Bennett (UT) is almost as liberal of senator as the Republican’s have.

Does anyone have Sarah Palin’s list, and why other races are not on it?

aesthete

I keep forgetting that RS has gotten into the big leagues.

Josh Painter

It’s Scott Brown’s call. Sarah Palin would not consider endorsing him without first being asked by Brown or his campaign manager. Interesting how the Palin haters try to put the onus on Palin for not endorsing Brown.

Word has it that he said on a local talk radio show that he didn’t want Palin’s endorsement, but he would love to have John McCain’s, which he got.

Would he take some of that SarahPAC cash, though? You betcha!

- JP

jbinvirginia

It will be interesting to see if Sarah Palin endorses Scott Brown because of her strong pro-life stance. Scott Brown is decidedly pro-choice, which is very disappointing because I want to support any fiscally conservative, less-government candidate…but I can’t support a pro-choice candidate. It’s far worse to support abortion than it is to misspend (even criminally misspend) money.

jbinvirginia

I believe that people who are pro-life find this issue more important than fiscal conservatism, and even a socialistic take-over of our health care issue. I would hate to think Sarah Palin would begin tempering her values to support a candidate that is just “the best choice.” NO SUPPORT would be a better statement from her, and maybe, just maybe, a real conservative who believes in protecting ALL life will step forward to run.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Timestamp has Josh saying this before me, even though my comment comes before Josh’s . We must have been writing this at the same time because I hadn’t seen Josh’s comments previous to posting my comment.

For the administrators, just alerting you to a possible small Y2K glitch in the system.

RS

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Ah, former Governor Palin?

Time to start the waltz, methinks.

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