Professor Bainbridge (via Instapundit) is having fun with demolishing this one by bringing up public sector unions, and why the Democrats won’t abandon them for libertarian votes. It’s a perfectly good practical observation, but I’d like to kick liberaltarianism right in its fundamental principles, so here goes:
What, precisely, is the liberaltarian response to health care? Putting only one-twelfth of the US economy under government control?
Thanks, I’m here all week! Tip your waiter! …until the beginning of the next fiscal quarter, when the new federal guidelines on compulsory nondiscriminatory automatic gratuity surcharges on all waitperson-customer interactions go into effect.
Moe Lane
PS: The fact that you were worried there for a second that there might actually be new federal guidelines goes a long way towards proving my point.
Crossposted to Moe Lane.
Jeff Emanuel
North Carolina Third Party
redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 2:52PM EDT (link)fielded by…
SEIU to defeat those North Carolina Democrats who voted against Ocare. Okay, blue dogs went from endagered species to nonexistent already with passage of Ocare. What’s next, scattering of their ashes in the desert? More, please
I’d be very interested to know where this union third party strategy fits in with Obama 2010 legislative agenda.
Right
cringinghere (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 11:28PM EDT (link)So if Democrats won’t abandon unions, unions will abandon Democrats. Imagine having a politician whose first loyalty is to a union instead of the voters!
Too good to be true?
gamechange11two Sunday, April 11th at 12:51AM EDT (link)I haven’t looked into this yet, so I don’t know if there’s any fire behind the smoke. BUT.., isn’t this what the hard left is hoping the TEA party movement will produce: a third party split? I’m seeing a lot of high hopes and low expectations based on a few rumours.
Call me paranoid, but here’s the theory. Could this be an attempt to create some media ready hostility (they want to see the left split this bad) or a sucker punch to make the TEA talk itself into absolute puritanist exclusion? I doubt that SEIU is dumb enough to forget Nader in 2000 and the handful of votes that he cost Gore. Is a union that has defined fundraising as it’s reason for being really going to break from and compete against its own piggy bank? For ideological purposes? Get back.
somehow the nutroots, specifically Kos
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 2:57PM EDT (link)thought once they could co-opt libertarians who did not like Bush’es big government. The reality is the Dems are for big government in everything, they want socialism in the economic sphere and political correctness in the personal sphere. What they don’t want anywhere is individualism.
They would have better luck trying to pick off social cons who think government should tell people how to live than they ever would have with libertarians. What amazes me is that some still think libertarians are anything other than radicals, they are not “moderate” in any way shape or form.
Molon Labe!
The private sector labor movement
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 3:35PM EDT (link)you know, the people with the real jobs, better wake up and smell the coffee. It’s not about big labor, it’s about gubmint big labor. The latter now eclipses the former in terms of membership for the first time ever. If the Henry Waxman inquisitions of Deere, Cat, and AT&T aren’t dots they connect to their jobs, they’re screwed. If Soviet styled industrial policy disguised as green jobs doesn’t make them rethink their political allegiance, nothing will.
http://www.libertytreehugger.com
Here's a Libertarian's response to health care.
muffin Saturday, April 10th at 3:44PM EDT (link)I am a registered Republican although I lean heavily towards Libertarian views. I fought tooth and nail to keep this bill from getting passed. I wrote, I called, I emailed, I sent postcards. I banged my head against that brick wall so many times, I now have a dent in my forehead. Nothing I did kept this bill from becoming law. I will vote for whomever will repeal this law. I will contribute to and support any challengers of those who voted for this bill.
We don’t need the government to watch over every single step we take in our lives. We aren’t stupid, knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing neanderthals. I am so angry, I could chew 10 penny nails and spit out tacks.
That’s one “Libertarian” view for you, Professor!
Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer
Thanks for your post and your efforts
earlgrey (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 3:54PM EDT (link)I feel your pain.
The two philosophies that ecompass our two party political system
Return to Revolution (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 9:28PM EDT (link)should be conservative and libertarian. Whatever debates occur, they won’t be about the legitamacy of the constitution. Liberalism, er COLLECTIVISM, is so blatantly anathema to EVERY principle upon which this country was founded, it should exist only in the moonbat, kook fringes of our society. Oh wait, it is, they just happen to be in the White House.
Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
Liberals want to isolate themeslves from some corporations
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 4:21PM EDT (link)and the people, union or not, who work for them. I think we should help them to do that.
http://www.libertytreehugger.com
Did I sound like this when I was 18?
gamechange11two Saturday, April 10th at 11:37PM EDT (link)You’ve got to admit, despite all the mixing of tenses, run-on sentences and use of premises as conclusions, this author is articulating thoughts that young voters are discussing today:
http://www.examiner.com/x-42601-Detroit-Republican-Examiner~y2010m4d10-You-Can-Make-November-Voting-Decisions-Now
And so do we all with a bit more hindsight. Consider this a shot from the dark from the minds-full-of-mush who also vote, but not so much in mid-term elections.
I hope we do better next time around
jackbenimble (Diary) Sunday, April 11th at 9:24AM EDT (link)The libertarians had good reason to be disgusted with the Republican Party during the Bush years. We did not even come close to living up to the small, limited government aspects of our own political platform. The liberaltarian argument made a certain amount of sense when they were not getting anything from Republicans that even slightly resembled fiscal sanity. I have pretty strong libertarian leanings (although I think the open borders stuff is insanity) and I came very close to re-registering as independent. The only reason I did not was so that I could participate in the Republican Primaries in Wyoming as that is the only game that matters here. I hope the Republican Party has learned some lessons. They have done pretty well as opposition which is a step in the right direction. But I am sceptical because the majority of the leadership from the Bush years is still in leadership.
The Republican Party should be the natural home for libertarians but I think the jury is still out as to whether or not it will be.
“I repudiate the idea of voting for a Democrat