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	<title>Comments on: Occupiers, NATO, Chicago, &amp; Molotov cocktails.</title>
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		<title>By: johnms</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66513</link>
		<dc:creator>johnms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 15:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok.  I was a homebrewer for years.  The equipment briefly shown in the video is most definitely homebrew equipment.  They show two carboys, 5 gallon glass jugs, filled with what is obviously homebrewed beer, with ordinary pressure relief S-valves on the top.  There&#039;s no way you would have that in your house if you weren&#039;t making homebrew, which takes some study and practice to do.

Typical homebrewing equipment consists of a lot of plastic tubing, modified coolers, coils of copper pipe, thermometers, little plastic bags full of yeast nutrients, perhaps a bottle of iodine cleanser, and lots of empty, cleaned beer bottles.   If you had no idea what all this stuff was for and were looking for bomb-making equipment, it would all look suspicious and you&#039;d probably assume you&#039;d found your bomb-making equipment, although any homebrewing expert could easily identify every piece of equipment and how it&#039;s used in homebrewing beer.

Now if the police really did recover malatov cocktails from the apartment, and have recordings of these east coast guys plotting attacks, then that&#039;s another thing entirely.  It seems very plausible that this homebrewing guy put up a couple of east coast protestors in his house, and either had no idea that these guys were planning to firebomb the summit or either him or the east coast guys thought that his homebrewing hobby would provide cover for their firebomb making.  Or maybe they saw all his bottles and got the idea from that.  &quot;Hey, let&#039;s fill some of these with gasoline.&quot;

Either way, homebrewer-guy chose his houseguests poorly.  Hopefully the police have enough information to clear this guy if he really was taken advantage of by the east-coast guys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  I was a homebrewer for years.  The equipment briefly shown in the video is most definitely homebrew equipment.  They show two carboys, 5 gallon glass jugs, filled with what is obviously homebrewed beer, with ordinary pressure relief S-valves on the top.  There&#8217;s no way you would have that in your house if you weren&#8217;t making homebrew, which takes some study and practice to do.</p>
<p>Typical homebrewing equipment consists of a lot of plastic tubing, modified coolers, coils of copper pipe, thermometers, little plastic bags full of yeast nutrients, perhaps a bottle of iodine cleanser, and lots of empty, cleaned beer bottles.   If you had no idea what all this stuff was for and were looking for bomb-making equipment, it would all look suspicious and you&#8217;d probably assume you&#8217;d found your bomb-making equipment, although any homebrewing expert could easily identify every piece of equipment and how it&#8217;s used in homebrewing beer.</p>
<p>Now if the police really did recover malatov cocktails from the apartment, and have recordings of these east coast guys plotting attacks, then that&#8217;s another thing entirely.  It seems very plausible that this homebrewing guy put up a couple of east coast protestors in his house, and either had no idea that these guys were planning to firebomb the summit or either him or the east coast guys thought that his homebrewing hobby would provide cover for their firebomb making.  Or maybe they saw all his bottles and got the idea from that.  &#8220;Hey, let&#8217;s fill some of these with gasoline.&#8221;</p>
<p>Either way, homebrewer-guy chose his houseguests poorly.  Hopefully the police have enough information to clear this guy if he really was taken advantage of by the east-coast guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66511</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 11:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...and let the mask slip; it during that last sentence.  Which is ironic, because (vainly) trying to equate the Left and the Right&#039;s violent fringe in terms of influence, acceptance, and presence was the precisely the point of this - by God, &lt;B&gt;yes&lt;/B&gt;! - this fool&#039;s errand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and let the mask slip; it during that last sentence.  Which is ironic, because (vainly) trying to equate the Left and the Right&#8217;s violent fringe in terms of influence, acceptance, and presence was the precisely the point of this &#8211; by God, <b>yes</b>! &#8211; this fool&#8217;s errand.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66510</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 11:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...And you&#039;re really not worth further &#039;engagement,&#039; apologist.

Shoo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;And you&#8217;re really not worth further &#8216;engagement,&#8217; apologist.</p>
<p>Shoo.</p>
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		<title>By: kzimm</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66509</link>
		<dc:creator>kzimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 10:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry that I don&#039;t follow the exact same path you do, but I believe strongly in reduced scale of government, reduced government intervention, etc. and am certainly not a part of the ridiculous DailyKos crowd.  The idea that anarchists, people who are against government, are somehow in-line with either the Democrats or Republicans is just ridiculous.

Can you please refute anything I say, or your only retort is calling me a clown?

How is the Democratic Party possibly pro-anarchy?  They are for bigger government, not for no government.  As a more Libertarian minded individually, I&#039;m closer to an anarchist than the Democratic Party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that I don&#8217;t follow the exact same path you do, but I believe strongly in reduced scale of government, reduced government intervention, etc. and am certainly not a part of the ridiculous DailyKos crowd.  The idea that anarchists, people who are against government, are somehow in-line with either the Democrats or Republicans is just ridiculous.</p>
<p>Can you please refute anything I say, or your only retort is calling me a clown?</p>
<p>How is the Democratic Party possibly pro-anarchy?  They are for bigger government, not for no government.  As a more Libertarian minded individually, I&#8217;m closer to an anarchist than the Democratic Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66508</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 09:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: kzimm</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66507</link>
		<dc:creator>kzimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 09:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, which Democratic politicians have supported anarchy?  The &quot;Occupy&quot; movement is not an anarchist movement.  Yes, the structure is anarchist, in that there are no leaders, but the group itself does not encourage governmental anarchy.  They want increased government regulation of banks/financial instituions, fewer austerity measures, government bail-outs for mortgage holders, less wealth inequality, etc.  None of those things are anarchist, they are looking for the expansion of government, not the elimination of government.  Even Mitt Romney understands, having said, &quot;I look at what&#039;s happening on Wall Street and my view is, boy, I understand how those people feel.&quot;

These people may have participated in the Occupy movement, but they clearly do not follow the ideals of the movement.  They latch onto it to feel included and use it as an excuse for violence, just like Operation Rescue (and other anti-abortion groups) separated itself from Scott Roeder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, which Democratic politicians have supported anarchy?  The &#8220;Occupy&#8221; movement is not an anarchist movement.  Yes, the structure is anarchist, in that there are no leaders, but the group itself does not encourage governmental anarchy.  They want increased government regulation of banks/financial instituions, fewer austerity measures, government bail-outs for mortgage holders, less wealth inequality, etc.  None of those things are anarchist, they are looking for the expansion of government, not the elimination of government.  Even Mitt Romney understands, having said, &#8220;I look at what&#8217;s happening on Wall Street and my view is, boy, I understand how those people feel.&#8221;</p>
<p>These people may have participated in the Occupy movement, but they clearly do not follow the ideals of the movement.  They latch onto it to feel included and use it as an excuse for violence, just like Operation Rescue (and other anti-abortion groups) separated itself from Scott Roeder.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66506</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 08:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A number of Democrats have endorsed the anarchist Occupy movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of Democrats have endorsed the anarchist Occupy movement.</p>
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		<title>By: checkmate2012</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66505</link>
		<dc:creator>checkmate2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 07:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[n/t]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>n/t</p>
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		<title>By: kzimm</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66504</link>
		<dc:creator>kzimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 07:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How is this issue/topic left vs. right?  The three people arrested are clearly anarchists, according to their own words.  If anything, anarchists are as far right as you can get, they want the smallest government, no government.

I don&#039;t believe either party supports anarchy...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this issue/topic left vs. right?  The three people arrested are clearly anarchists, according to their own words.  If anything, anarchists are as far right as you can get, they want the smallest government, no government.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe either party supports anarchy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 02:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[also considered the NATO gathering as a potential target. Nice to know that the FBI has a bead on these terrorists. 

At least two of the &quot;Cleveland 5&quot; are claiming entrapment by the informant as their defense.  It&#039;s becoming the most-favored narrative on leftist sites. 

As far as the bomb-making beer machines....pretty handy if you can figure out a way to kill two birds with one stone like that. The &quot;Cleveland 5&quot; used the 1970&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Anarchist Cookbook&lt;/em&gt; to find recipes. Wonder if they have beer-bomb instructions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also considered the NATO gathering as a potential target. Nice to know that the FBI has a bead on these terrorists. </p>
<p>At least two of the &#8220;Cleveland 5&#8243; are claiming entrapment by the informant as their defense.  It&#8217;s becoming the most-favored narrative on leftist sites. </p>
<p>As far as the bomb-making beer machines&#8230;.pretty handy if you can figure out a way to kill two birds with one stone like that. The &#8220;Cleveland 5&#8243; used the 1970&#8242;s <em>Anarchist Cookbook</em> to find recipes. Wonder if they have beer-bomb instructions?</p>
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		<title>By: renl57</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66499</link>
		<dc:creator>renl57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 23:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;claiming that their ... alleged bomb-making equipment ? is actually for home-brewing beer.&quot;

Easy way to test this.
Fill one bottle with that liquid from the equipment.

Then tell the National Lawyers Guild lawyer to drink the contents.

If it&#039;s beer, it&#039;s on the house. Cheers!

If it&#039;s gasoline, well, the Revolution demands much from all comrades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;claiming that their &#8230; alleged bomb-making equipment ? is actually for home-brewing beer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Easy way to test this.<br />
Fill one bottle with that liquid from the equipment.</p>
<p>Then tell the National Lawyers Guild lawyer to drink the contents.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s beer, it&#8217;s on the house. Cheers!</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s gasoline, well, the Revolution demands much from all comrades.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave_A</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66496</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave_A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 22:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Harrington</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66492</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 17:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They would need to bomb the media... TWICE!

The first time the media would try to make it look like the Tea Party did it while inserting commentary on how silencing a liberal press is bad.

The second time they would realize OWS does not think they are liberal enough and therefore they would fry OWS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would need to bomb the media&#8230; TWICE!</p>
<p>The first time the media would try to make it look like the Tea Party did it while inserting commentary on how silencing a liberal press is bad.</p>
<p>The second time they would realize OWS does not think they are liberal enough and therefore they would fry OWS.</p>
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		<title>By: johnt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66490</link>
		<dc:creator>johnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 16:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[at some point they&#039;ll start to get a bad press.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at some point they&#8217;ll start to get a bad press.</p>
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		<title>By: macbookben</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2012/05/19/occupiers-nato-chicago-molotov-cocktails/#comment-66488</link>
		<dc:creator>macbookben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 16:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...between the NLG and OWS&#039;ers, which ones are the scumbags?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;between the NLG and OWS&#8217;ers, which ones are the scumbags?</p>
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