this type of violence will be used as a club against us all — because of some whacko

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Christian and pro-life leaders will hold a news conference in front of the US Supreme Court on Monday, June 1, at 10:00 A.M…

Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, Director of the Washington, DC based Christian Defense Coalition is presently available for comment at 540-538-4741

Rev. Patrick Mahoney condemns the shooting of Dr. George Tiller.

I can’t help but to follow the logic. “Doctor” Tiller is committing late-term abortions, which by any sane person’s calculation is infanticide. This is murder. Through perversion of the law, this is permitted, despite it flying the face of the history of civilization. This has been tolerated for two decades, and nothing has happened to stop the killing. He would have continued to commit this crime.

I can’t escape the conclusion that killing Tiller was the right thing to do. I am uncomfortable with this conclusion because it’s dangerous. But nevertheless, it was the ethical thing to do. Tiller would have continued to take numerous lives. Nothing was going to stop him. So someone did stop him. And now fewer lives will be taken.

We celebrate the breaking the laws every time the media canonizes Rosa Parks. She broke the law. There is no question of that. The question is whether it was the ethical thing to do (it was.) We celebrate the Nazi resistance, we celebrate the Tiananmen Square uprising. I’m sure those were all illegal actions, yet were unquestionably the moral things to do. So how would killing a killer, when all options are exhausted, not also be the right thing to do?

You have to wonder if the reason why we have a legal system is in order to steal the oxygen from moral vigilantism. You have to wonder if the legal system breaks down whether vigilantism, when all other options fail, becomes a moral imperative.

has been around for years and years so if it was a pro-life hit he would have been dead YEARS ago. I will NOT shed tears for this man. He was a MURDERER!

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

This type of action does nothing to help our cause. Only a crazy person would do something like this.

Removing one abortionist is nowhere close to the answer. This does nothing to bring people closer to understanding our side of the matter. If anything, it justifies the other side in believing that there are all too many nuts on our side.

Foolish, unjustifiable, and very sad.

in connection with slaying of abortion provider George Tiller.

Press conference at 4.

enough said let us move on to bigger and better discussions.

I don’t agree with the vigilante act but I won’t be shedding any tears for him. I doubt it will happen but I hope his clinic is shut down.

It’s hard enough to comprehend how a baby killer can be comfortable in church. To make matters even more confounding is the minister who allowed him to serve as an usher. Oh well. Neo-nazis, the Klan, and Reverend Wright all call themselves Christians too.

Here is a statement from Father Frank Pavone, National Director of Priests for Life:

“I am saddened to hear of the killing of George Tiller this morning. At this point, we do not know the motives of this act, or who is behind it, whether an angry post-abortive man or woman, or a misguided activist, or an enemy within the abortion industry, or a political enemy frustrated with the way Tiller has escaped prosecution. We should not jump to conclusions or rush to judgment.

“But whatever the motives, we at Priests for Life continue to insist on a culture in which violence is never seen as the solution to any problem. Every life has to be protected, without regard to their age or views or actions.”

According to the police report, Dr Tiller was murdered as he was serving as an usher, and as his wife was in the choir. (These details were released and reported, no doubt, to cast the good doctor is the most favorable light, and to highlight how heinous an act the murder really was.)

And to turn a church into a place of violence is especially vile.

Both sides lose.

can you say hyperbole?? seriously…does this women even think before they spew?

I think the murder of this man deserves the punishment to be meted out on the killer. He (the man who pulled the trigger) is a murderer just as Tiller was, and deserves our contempt just as Tiller did. Tiller should have been allowed to pass naturally and face his maker. There is no punishment man could hand out that will rival what he will face on judgement day.

The upshot is that the pro-abortion sect will use this as a catalyst to get even further protection from a very willing democratic led government, who will increase access, at the taxpayers expense, to ghastly procedures like partial birth abortion.

They will dominate the news cycle and use it for their propaganda machine, twisting the facts to persuade another generation of young American girls that abortion is a normal procedure and an out to any inconvenient consequence of random sex.

They will fail to note that this is the 8th (to my liberal friends thats a fact please look it up) “murder” of a pro-abortionist in over 20 years. They will use the MSM to paint this event as something that occurs on a daily basis.

Its a truly sad event for everyone, the family of Tiller and the pro-life movement included.

Weren’t you guys all up in arms about the report about rightwing domestic terrorists that Napolitano released (and that the Bush admin had actually started)?

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that the report specifically mentioned people focused on a single issue such as abortion. Looks pretty smart in retrospect, perhaps even something that could use more funding. Funny how that works eh?

My thinking is that tiller the baby killer’s soul is having a reallllllllly bad afternoon!

Ironically enough, I believe that it will be the far-left abortion activists who will really celebrate George Tiller’s death; for this has given them what they really want and need;

a Martyr

Not all of us on the right are abortionist-murdering terrorists, and I don’t think anybody–not even Olbermann or Garofolo–are stupid enough to believe that. They throw around that accusation to scare us.

I do not advocate murdering abortionists, but I’m not going to fall all over myself pretending his death is sad just to prove that I’m not a terrorist. I don’t give a hoot what the MSM tries to say, it’s my right to be glad there is one less man willing to chop up babies for convenience. I don’t care that it was in a church, the Bible states that the human body is a temple and this man made his living killing there.

I just heard about this. What a terrible thing to happen in a church on a Sunday in America. God had to avert His eyes, or it would rain for 40 days.

I propose May 31st as a National Day of mourning for all the victims of Abortion. To include Dr. Tilling. No one should suggest or permit murder of a human in any stage of life. Never. Pro-Life is about all of us living, and keeping it that way.

is all that protects us from the totalitarians of the left shredding our liberty and confiscating our property. If you doubt how fragile is the tissue of the law, just ask a Chrysler bondholder.

“He needed killin’” is not a defense against murder charges. While Tiller’s life does not inspire me to mourn his loss, I regret deeply that he was deprived of any chance to repent and amend his life.

Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy.

CNN and other places reporting that the suspect in this killing has been captured, wonder when the details of this individual will start to be leaked and how the MSM will try to “spin” the details.

Taking the law into one’s own hands and attempting to effect justice according to one’s own understanding of right and wrong; action taken by a voluntary association of persons who organize themselves for the purpose of protecting a common interest, such as liberty, property, or personal security; action taken by an individual or group to protest existing law; action taken by an individual or group to enforce a higher law than that enacted by society’s designated lawmaking institutions; private enforcement of legal norms in the absence of an established, reliable, and effective law enforcement body.

The foundation of the American legal system rests on the RULE OF LAW, a concept embodied in the notion that the United States is a nation of laws and not of men. Under the rule of law, laws are thought to exist independent of, and separate from, human will. Even when the human element factors into legal decision making, the decision maker is expected to be constrained by the law in making his or her decision. In other words, police officers, judges, and juries should act according to the law and not according to their personal preferences or private agendas.

Read more: “Vigilantism” - http://law.jrank.org/pages/11129/Vigilantism.html#ixzz0H8Ajp7TZ&A

Before the left goes ballastic on the vigilante killing of Dr. Tiller
let’s take a deep breathe and read that last sentence again very slowly.

In other words, police officers, judges, and juries should act according to the law and not according to their personal preferences or private agendas.

I do not condone vigilante acts by anyone - be it a killer of an abortion doctor or the left trying to take over by ignoring the rule of law and using personal preferences and private agendas to further their pursuit of power.

The Fifth Commandment states “Thou shall not kill”. Abortion is the MURDER of the innocent unborn child in the womb. This killing of a doctor who carried out abortions is also MURDER and it cannot be justified. Tiller was a MURDERER. HE butchered the innocent unborn children. Lets dispense with this nonsense about choice. How can you have a choice to murder your own child? Lets drop the sanitized language about choice. This is used as a cover to disguise the evil of abortion. Lets call a spade a spade. Abortion=Murder.
When we die we must meet our Maker and answer for our actions here on earth.
Interestingly Obama in his condemnation expressed no concern for the innocent unborn children deprived of their right to life by Tiller.

Many people don’t think that abortion is the evil you all believe.

A doctor, who from their point of view is providing a necessary medical service, is gunned down (in a church of all places). If this shooter is willing to gun someone down in a church, where wouldn’t they be willing to gun someone down? And if the doctor, why not the “patient?”

That’s terrifying.

For some, it will affect their decision to carry on with their own decision to have an abortion or not and they will so “no” because their fear for their safety.

You may all think that’s a good, if unplanned outcome, but it’s terrifying to the woman and her family. It’s always been true I guess, but going forward, it’s got to be on the mind of people that “hey, I may get shot/wounded/maimed/killed if I go to see a doctor for an abortion.”

Sounds like demostic terrorism to me.

We don’t know any real facts as yet. It could be some crazy person, but Tiller has already been shot and his office was recently vandalized. That only makes it worse.

1. Murder is murder, so I cannot condone what this wackjob did.

2. He did not help his cause (I’m assuming it’s a political statement).

3. I equate it to the Palestinian case. I’ve had many a lefty friend tell me that the Palestinians murdering people as they indiscriminately fire rockets into Israel is okay, because, you see, they cannot bring about their ‘justice’ any other way.

But I keep coming back to number 1 (and it’s why I don’t support the Palestinians, their tactics make it impossible for me to support them).

I knew one day it would come, and I’d be torn.
My bottom line;
Tiller was a murderer who shouldn’t have been murdered.

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There is a reason why Martin Luther King Jr. is revered by people of all races: his means were always non-violent.

The pro-life movement must always be non-violent.

The death of Tiller is a terrible tragedy. His hands will no longer dismember infants–but now the pro-choice movement has a martyr, they will be harder to stop, and more babies than ever may ultimately die.

Scott Roeder, if guilty, is not only a murderer, he was a stupid protester. Killing the abortion doctor now means abortion will become easier.

is that it happened in a Church, and so soon after Pro-Life groups were added to the terrorist watch list…and at a time where polling showed >50% of the US showing anti-abortion sentiments for the first time since RVW. If I was a conspiracy theorist I’d think that a liberal set the gunman up so that Pro-Lifers would all look like Non-Christian anti-American terrorists!!

Freaking moron gunman!! If he just had to go and off Tiller, why couldn’t he do it while Tiller was doing something compromising?? “Abortionist shot watching Tijuanna donkey show” wouldn’t be nearly as damaging a headline to our pro-life cause!!

that sure doesn’t surprise me any… so what “forces” are Eric Holder mustering?!?!? He getting his old buddies that botched the Branch Dividian Raid that he was #2 to Reno on!?!? Or the Elian Gonzalez crew?

Holder (AG prior judgement?)

If Kathleen Sebelius would have enforced the law, Dr. Tiller would be a live and living comfortable at the state expense.

We should have a dummy abortion or affirmative action diary every couple of weeks just to draw the trolls out into the open so we can shoot them like fish in a barrel. They just can’t resist it.

Just think of the MORONIC position on abortion that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and other “so-called” Catholics in politics use on abortion, and then imagine if we used that same logic in expressing our condolences to the widow of Dr. Tiler.

“Ma’am, I am personally opposed to murder, so I would like to express my sympathy for your loss, but I wouldn’t want to impose my values on the murderer and deny him his right to choose too kill your husband.”

Sounds pretty stupid and insulting doesn’t it?

It doesn’t sound any more intelligent when the left uses it to justify abortion.

To all of you who denounce Tiller as a murderer, I am going to ask you a serious question, and I would appreciate a serious answer:

If a woman is at risk of dying or being irreparably harmed by the pregnancy, or if the woman is carrying a fetus whose abnormalities are incompatible with life (its intestines have developed outside of its body, or it has no face, or three-quarters of its brain is missing — and yes, this DOES happen) - what should be done?

If you are so opposed to late-term abortion that you feel it should never be performed, then WHAT, in all seriousness, is your suggestion for those situations that I have described above?

I am genuinely, honestly curious to learn what you feel should be done in those particular circumstances, as it seems that I have yet to hear anybody in the pro-life movement even acknowledge that dangerous pregnancies and/or fetal anomalies occur.

So, I’m asking very respectfully for someone to please ponder my question and to answer it seriously: a) what alternative do you suggest, and b) is this an alternative that you would be comfortable with if it was you or a loved one faced with this situation?

And as an FYI, I am not trolling or trying to win a political argument here, I set up this account ages ago and argued once or twice with people here before moving on, but this incident has really struck a chord with me, and I am genuinely trying to understand where other people are coming from on this. So I figured, why not go directly TO the people who are vehemently opposed to late-term abortion?

Thank you.