I want honesty, folks. I had to get the kids ready for bed, and then was tempted to see it, but I decided I would much rather watch my favorite NBA team, the San Antonio Spurs, bow down to the Phoenix Suns. A friend of mine watched it and said there was nothing new except the same “hope and change” crap he recites every time he’s on TV.
Granted my friends and I are just “a tad” biased, but I seriously want to know if there was anything new, besides dropping the $250,000 down to $200,000 in this commercial that he hasn’t said before that will hinder McCain’s movement in the polls. I’m sad to say that if Obama gets back up to a seven or eight point lead nationally after all of this, then it just might be time to start thinking about 2012.
So let me hear it. Anything signifigant happen?
So, Will the Infomercial Blunt McCain’s Progress in the Polls?
Sorry to say, but I "missed" the Obamabot feature. Was it something that will seal the deal?

Did not watch it...
izoneguy Wednesday, October 29th at 10:57PM EDT (link)…but I doubt you will get people at this stage to change based on your same old tired rhetoric. Look for polls tomorrow that say people trust McCain on the economy more than O
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Every single time
Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) Wednesday, October 29th at 11:03PM EDT (link)Barack Obama comes across as a level-headed and non-threatening person it undercuts the narrative your side is trying to create.
The only truly “undecided” person I know, someone with whom I’ve spoken off and on for the last few months about the race, has finally come off the fence. He gave two reasons:
1) Obama doesn’t scare him.
2) McCain keeps trying to make Obama scary.
None of you are going to give a fig about that anecdote, or about the underlying views that created it. You’re missing what’s happening because you don’t want to see it. Obama has managed to keep his temper throughout the race. He has never had a nasty outburst of any kind. He has intentionally come across as non-threatening because, I suspect, he knew that these sorts of attacks were inevitable.
You are the Republican base. You folks eat this up because you want very much to believe the worst in Obama. That’s your prerogative, and I am not taking issue with it. Just understand this: if Obama doesn’t actually scare people when he gets across to them unfiltered (and in my experience that is correct) doing things like this infomercial hurt your party’s efforts to define him.
Flame me, dog me, do whatever you like. That’s how it looks from my perspective. You can think he’s a liar all you want. You can think he’s some kind of crypto-Muslim/liberation theology freakjob/socialst/Marxist/Kenyan/Indonesian/gay murderer/whatever. It does not matter if “undecided” voters just don’t see him that way.
Buying a half hour of TV gave him the chance to reinforce his own self-definition. We’ll know next week if it worked.
I’m a lying troll.
So, did you watch it? <NT>
Moe Lane Wednesday, October 29th at 11:07PM EDT (link)NT
Check out my new blog at http://moelane.com/.
http://twitter.com/moelane
My (blogging-related) wish list.
Some of it, Moe. I was in class
Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) Wednesday, October 29th at 11:10PM EDT (link)I’ll get the rest of it in a few minutes. My fiance is sick and I don’t want to settle down until I’m sure she’s tended to and asleep.
I’ll give you an update once I’ve had a chance to see the rest of it.
I’m a lying troll.
No need, man. I was just going to snark...
Moe Lane Wednesday, October 29th at 11:19PM EDT (link)…but ill fiance takes precedence.
Check out my new blog at http://moelane.com/.
http://twitter.com/moelane
My (blogging-related) wish list.
No affect either way
exitsfunnel Wednesday, October 29th at 11:25PM EDT (link)Seriously, did anyone watch it? I only made it through about two and a half minutes. It would be different if he were taking questions or something, but this was essentially a 30 minute version of a 30 second spot. Oh well, maybe the five million dollars he spent will at least help the economy.
-exits
Han
ILLINOIS_CONSERV Wednesday, October 29th at 11:57PM EDT (link)Obama has the unabashed, full-on support of the mainstream media so why would he be angry? He should be happy as heck! I think McCain should be the one to be commended as the level-headed candidate. If I was McCain I would be mad as hell at the unfair media coverage of his campaign. It is hard enough to make your case with an unbiased media. But to have to fight against your opponent AND also the media that you are counting on to be fair and balanced, well that is a heck of an uphill battle. That is fighting with one hand tied behind your back. And that is what McCain and Palin have had to do. BHO has millions of dollars in shady (illegal?)campaign donations and the media reports on Palin’s wardrobe? Are you kidding me? BHO got a free pass this whole election campaign. No wonder he is calm and collected.
You have already heard the growing laundry list of dubious associations that BHO has embraced so I won’t go there. I am not afraid of Obama because I know EXACTLY who he is.
Crypto-Muslim? His school record has his religion as Islam. He did travel to Pakistan in 1981 as an Indonesian citizen.
Liberation Theology Freakjob? He did attend the church of a Pastor who is a Liberation Theology Freakjob (for 21 years). This Pastor also baptized his children. And this “Pastor” is his spiritual advisor.
Socialist/Marxist/Kenyan/Indonesian? His own words and economic plan has pinned the Socialist/Marxist badge on him. If it quacks like a duck…well you know the rest. Indonesian? Well he did travel on an Indonesian passport in 1981. Gay/Murderer? These are new ones on me. I can’t comment.
Han, it isn’t one single association or one comment that is the issue here. It is the entire legacy of a man who has chosen to associate with many despicable human beings. He has said many comments and backed economic strategies that have portrayed him as a socialist. That is his own doing and blatant examples of his own bad judgment. His own book is chock full of racist comments. These are all things he has said or done. He can’t complain it is unfair when it is of his own making! He has done nothing noteworthy in any of his previous elected positions. These are the facts. Unfiltered facts. Just because he can get on TV, read through a script, and look good doing it doesn’t mean a thing! All it means is that he is a good actor. THAT, my friend, is FILTERED. It isn’t real! Unfiltered is his comments to Joe the plumber and the like. Comments that are unscripted. That is the BHO that is unfiltered. The REAL BHO. Joe Biden was right. BHO is not ready to lead. I don’t believe he has my, nor my family’s, best interests at heart. And that is why I am not voting for him next week.
The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
Han, I already think Obama's scary
Andy Smith Thursday, October 30th at 12:22AM EDT (link)because this man has misled the country on who he is and what he really believes.
1. How can you give a tax cut to 95% of Americans when only around 60% pay income taxes? Oh yeah, and why do we keep dropping the income level from $250,000 to $200,000 to $150,00?
2. In the primaries, he essentially ran on ending the war in Iraq. Had to get George Soros’ backing and CodePink to make you a vaible Demoratic candidate. Now he wants to end the war “responsibly.” Does that mean in victory? And if he was willing to bow to CodePink and MoveOn.org on the Iraq issue, why should we believe him when he says he’s going to get bin Laden?
3. All the shady associations (Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Khalidi, ACORN) and all of the sorry excuses that always seem to put him at arm’s length of them. To add on to that, the allegations of racism by his surrogates if we question them.
4. Last thing I’ll bring up is public financing. He just plainly went back on his word. I wouldn’t have an issue if he was honest about it from the start, but when he says he wanted to do public financing then do the opposite, it makes you wonder what else he’ll backtrack on.
The infomerical was probably very effective. But he once again got out of having to answer a tough question in a non-scripted environment.
Now look, I don’t buy into this Muslim/not born in the USA flap. Even if he was a Muslim, it would be of little consequence to me. But Obama’s shady past, saying one thing then doing another, and lack of vetting by his own party and the media make me afraid of what he will do to the country.
“Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it.”-Abraham Lincoln
Respectfully
Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) Thursday, October 30th at 12:27AM EDT (link)If you have come to your decision on those metrics, that is your choice and I respect that choice. I am aware of the very same data you have presented and I do not interpret it in the same fashion. And no, I am not mentally deficient in the slightest.
I have had associates, though I would not go so far as to say friends, who had done things in their lives I found despicable, self-destructive, and frightening. Some had repented and made amends, others had not. If you attempted to judge my character based on the people I’ve known you might assume I was someone who sold hard drugs and hated Jews.
I have never done an illegal drug in my life (nor sold one) and I am Jewish. That said, you could very easily interpret my past associations that way in much the same way you’ve interpreted Senator Obama’s. One might also see my willingness to associate myself with you folks at RedState as a sympathy with your ideology. It isn’t.
I cast a wide net. I learn from those I meet, so long as that association does not put me or those I care about in danger. What may seem a casual or even warm association to your eye might be something else entirely to me. You don’t know that. You can’t. In this, I suspect, I see the world in much the same way Senator Obama does.
I don’t see evil as some kind of slime that literally oozes off of people and onto others by mere proximity.
Vote however you like. I would be violating my stated promise to you folks at RedState if I ever attempted to dissuade you, and I am a man of my word. If there’s anything I’d like you to take away from my presence here it is this:
There are people in this country who love it every bit as much as you do yet disagree with you quite strongly on how we bring about prosperity, opportunity, and freedom for all. You walk one path, I walk another. I wish you well on yours. All I ask is the same in turn.
Such words will likely carry little meaning or have little effect so close to the election. The cleavages betwixt us become all the greater at such times.
Do I think that Senator McCain is encumbered by various albatrosses? Absolutely! Does the media treat him fairly? No, but some of what you see as anti-McCain bias is an honest assessment by the media as to how they actually see things. Some is overt cheerleading too. I can’t argue with that, nor will I try.
The greatest albatross around Senator McCain’s neck? No matter how much your party tries to pretend President Bush is a past tense issue, he’s still in office for a few months yet. Somewhat unfairly perhaps, many Americans will impute President Bush’s actions and character on Senator McCain. It can’t be helped, but in fairness they are of the same party.
This was always going to be an uphill struggle for your party. What I find amazing, absolutely amazing in my time here at RedState is this. You folks are willing to express your dissatisfaction with President Bush (by the by, some of my issues with him are the same as some of yours), but it doesn’t quite click for some of you that while you see him as a very poor conservative (spends too much), he’s still of your party. You all own his successes and his failures. So does Senator McCain.
You’re all very sure of your beliefs. I respect that. You’re all absolutely certain that your ideas, properly applied, would bring about the most opportunity for the most people. Let’s assume that’s true for a moment. Why do you think that’s enough right now? A lot of people are very mad at President Bush, and some have very good reasons for it. A visceral anger such as this is simply too tough to trump by yelling “socialist” now and again. You’ve been trying to bring Obama down. You’ve not articulated a positive message, you haven’t made it plain HOW your ideas are better. Many people were better off in the 1990’s than the last seven years. Your party needs to do better in explaining why that facile understanding of the two parties is wrong.
Many of you are mad about your situation politically. I can’t say that I blame you. I wouldn’t enjoy such an uphill fight. But I just don’t understand why more of you don’t admit that your party has a lot to do with its problems.
Be well.
I’m a lying troll.
Mscout, you're emphatically NOT his audience
Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) Thursday, October 30th at 12:31AM EDT (link)Just as I’m not the target of a McCain advertisement. I’m as much in Obama’s camp as you are in McCain’s. I react to Republican ads in much the same way you react to Democratic ones.
At this point in the ballgame it is all about the folks in the middle.
I’m a lying troll.
The answer is no.
joeljournal Thursday, October 30th at 1:09AM EDT (link)It was a 30-minute yawn-fest.
I did not watch the whole thing because it was completely boring.
Americans do not have patience for Castro-like harangues.
Perhaps Obama can work at PBS after the election.
Joel Pollak
Guide to the Perplexed
http://guidetotheperplexed.blogspot.com
It was interesting...
Jumpedship Thursday, October 30th at 1:25AM EDT (link)**Joel Journal, you are too harsh on the Illinois lad.
I felt sorry for him when I noticed, during his game of pocket pool, he mis-cued and his eyes crossed. Ouch!
Here’s the complete transcript:
Me, me, yada-yada, blah blah, me, change, change, me, Socialism, $250,000, I mean, $200,000, oops, I mean…. blah, yada, change, patriot, and finally…8-ball in the side pocket.
I didn't watch
clove Thursday, October 30th at 7:07AM EDT (link)I already voted and wouldn’t have voted for him anyway. However, he’s hid so many truths, it’s obvious and no matter what he does it’s not going to help him. I’m confident McCain will win and the polls are wrong. It always backfires on the left. McCain never did have to drill him on his ideology. Just by planting that seed in the back of voters minds was enough. I believe the Bradley effect will happen, but voters just needed a reason other than race to vote against him and his communist ideology gives them a legitimate excuse. We’ll see, but no I don’t see him being president. Matter of fact, I see it as being impossible. Kerry and Gore both had a chance, slim chance, but a chance by winning my state. However, with Obama, there’s no question about it that he’ll lose it. Despite unheard of funds that went in to his campaign, the economy, extra air time and everything else in his favor he still can’t get the upper hand. That should tell everybody something. My state Tn, is only different from the rest in one way, we’re blatant about who we’re voting for. Watch how the silent majority votes next week. However, we’re for sure going to know here real soon.
That IS Question
dld1717 Thursday, October 30th at 8:20AM EDT (link)Supposedly, it got 24 mill watchers on all the networks it was on which is pretty big number
I think it shores up those who like him and energizes them and those who hate him didn’t watch
The undecided who watch will like all Hollywood and meaningless theme he spews but it had zero substance
Hey dld where did you get you 24 million watched number?
JadedByPolitics Thursday, October 30th at 8:41AM EDT (link)I have been checking all morning to see how many watch and could find nothing.
I believe Perot got 16 million viewers for the first one way back in the day so 24 million would be paltry in comparison…
Perot crazy like a fox and the reason we end up with a fox in the henhouse in the WH
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Han Pritcher, a most excellent point that I both strongly agree and disagree with!
ZootSuit Thursday, October 30th at 9:25AM EDT (link)One of the most profound quotes ever on RedState:
I absolutely agree that George W. Bush is the root cause of the problems Republicans are facing. I personally think he will go down in history as one of our worst Presidents. Not simply because he did so many “bad” things but that he did so many “bad” things as a so-called conservative when the “bad” things he was doing were not conservative in the first place.
But the problem is, conservatives never owned up to that. Except for a very, very few exceptions, we conservatives Bush’s liberalism on. Indeed, the only thing I think we as a group spoke out about is his amnesty program for illegal aliens: I fear that even Harriett Miers would be on the Supreme Court now if it was not found out that she gave a couple of hundred dollars to a pro-abortion group many years ago (and possibly a speech in support of abortion rights, I honestly don’t remember the details at the moment).
But it did not have to be!
We conservatives could have spoken up and said that George W. Bush was most definitely not a conservative. We could have a stood athwart against his massive increase in the size of the Federal government. Even on the faulty way he was conducting the war in Iraq — which is a separate issue as to whether the war should have been commenced in the first place — we could have stood up and stood for our conservative principles.
But we conservatives did not.
Interestingly enough, John McCain was one of the very few Republicans who stood against the rapid increase in the size of the Federal government and the faulty strategy in the Iraq War; but how did we conservatives respond to John McCain?
We hated McCain the more.
And further embraced the failures and liberalism of George W. Bush.
Even now, I think many conservatives here on RedState will take offense at me calling George W. Bush one of the worst Presidents in history. But if he had the honesty and courage to recognize that before, conservatives and Republicans would not be in the predicament they are in now. We cannot blame the American people in general for blaming conservative principles for the failures of the country today when we conservatives did not have the courage to admit and tell them seven years ago that those failures were not the enactment of conservative principles.
Many conservatives lament that what the conservative movement needs is another Reagan but that is not true. What the conservative movement needs is another Goldwater. What the conservative movement needs is its conscience back.
***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!
Amen, Zoot!!!
eburke Thursday, October 30th at 10:01AM EDT (link)I spent the first term of the Bush administration excusing his atrocious fiscal policy because of his WOT stance.
I didn’t start screaming until Harriet and the illegal immigration fiasco but I haven’t shut up since. His utter refusal to engage in the arena of ideas has set the conservative movement back years. While appreciative of the appointments of Roberts and Alito, his opportunity to fill the courts with constitutionalists was squandered because of his refusal to fight for them.
Even at this late date, with the Supreme Court ruling that the law gives the standing to sue for violations of the fair voting law in Ohio only to the Justice Department, THE BUSH JUSTICE DEPARTMENT APPARENTLY HAS MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN TO ENSURE FAIR ELECTIONS!
Utterly disgraceful.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy
“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior
Amen Zoot
kyle8 Thursday, October 30th at 10:01AM EDT (link)I was one of the few to be willing to go against Bush in my early days here and it almost got me banned. Truth is, I never cared for him or his father.
I remember the way that GW was thrust upon the party by the movers and shakers back in the primaries of 1999. They talked him into running, gave him a lot of early financial support, and viciously attacked McCain, the same guy who is now their savior.
My hope is that there is a new crop of leaders coming from the states. Jindal, Pawlentny, and Palin are a few. We have to either bypass, or just dump the old inside the beltway crowd of republicans.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Han
ILLINOIS_CONSERV Thursday, October 30th at 10:04AM EDT (link)I respect your argument and this is why I thank God I live in a country where we are free to express our opinions. You say that one shouldn’t be judged by the company one keeps, yet John McCain is to be blamed for all of Bush’s mistakes? If they were lock-step in policy I could understand it, but they are very dissimilar.
As for the media it is not their job to judge, it is their job to report. You admit to a bias against the McCain campaign and then say it is ok because that is the way THEY see it! That’s dangerous.
I disagree with nearly every position that Obama takes. His naivete was apparent during both the Russian incursion into Georgia and his response to the financial crisis. He wanted NATO to weigh in on the Russian invasion not knowing that Russia is part of NATO with veto power. Then he basically said to “call me if you need me” during the financial crisis. I want my president to lead, not to be “present”. You may say this is all an attempt to tear down Obama. It is not. It is his history. He wrote his auto-biography. His words are part of history. If he is being exposed then it is by his own hand (and words). His response to Joe the plumber is scary. He said he wanted the guy “behind” Joe to have his shot at success too. If I was Joe I would have asked Obama how come nobody helped Joe get to where he was. How come nobody helped Joe when he was behind someone else? Joe worked and went to school to learn his trade. NOTHING should be handed to anyone. You earn what you reap. You go to work and raise a family and teach them right from wrong and to be self-sufficient. My parents instilled that into me and I have instilled that to my kids. My parents raised me to NEVER accept handouts. I have passed that down to my kids and expect them to do the same to their kids. Why expect the government to prop you up and give you what you have not earned? Han, that is socialism. When you take money away from people who have success and GIVE it the ones who don’t, you start down a very slippery slope.
I wouldn’t be worried if Congress was balanced, but it’s not. Giving a rubber stamp to the Pelosi, Reid, Obama triumvirate honestly scares me.
You are correct on your view of the republican party. I am a conservative. The repubs while in power spent money like drunken sailors. It is time to tighten our collective belts, shrink government, and try to balance the budget. Obama speaks of an economy built fron the ground up. He is wrong wrong wrong. Big business employs large numbers of people. They are not the devil. Tax them and what do you think will happen to their payroll? Impose windfall profit taxes and what do you think will happen to the price of the products we buy? Tax small businesses and they reduce parolls as well. Or worse they go under.
Bottom line is that Obama is an inexperienced, first term Senator (who has campaigned the last 19 months of his term). He has never held an executive position. He hasn’t passed any meaningful legislation. And we are going to hand him the keys to the White House? That is absurd. His resume is light at best. His own writings, his choice of church and spiritual advisors, reveal a disturbing pattern of his racist tendencies. I am not judging him by his associations only. I am judging him by his words, his writings, and his disturbing history of people he surrounds himself with. Like I said before, it isn’t one comment or one association. It is a very clear pattern and it should be disturbing to everyone who looks at his candidacy.
Han, I wish you well too. We are, in the end, very fortunate fellow Americans who only want what is best for this country.
The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
Illinois Conserv, if you please
Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) Thursday, October 30th at 10:35AM EDT (link)But what you’ve just described is, in broad strokes, a “progressive tax code.” That’s what that is, after a fashion. All that’s left is a matter of degrees. The tax rate paid by the upper bracket is lower now, lower by far than it was fifty years ago (and most of the time since then). Obama’s proprosed increase on the upper bracket still puts it well below, waaaaaay below, the historic highs.
If you’re going to define socialism as a 3% increase on the upper bracket and a decrease on the lower ones, well you’re stretching the word a bit. Socialism means a good deal more than that!
From dictionary.com (a very basic and simple definition):
That’s not at all what Obama has proposed, nor is it something that this Democrat would support. Now, you could easily say that you believe that he really means to do these things, but you would be doing so based on your own supposition, not any of his proposals.
I know it’s en vogue to call Obama a “socialist” or a “marxist” but those words have meaning! You have to use them in the broadest possible sense for them to even remotely fit. No, he’s a liberal in the same way other liberals have been. You folks are just using harsher language to describe the same thing you’ve faced in the past.
I would also remind you that the closest thing to socialism any President has done in recent memory is in VERY recent memory. Most of you guys at RedState opposed the bailout, but our President and nearly half of your elected members of Congress supported it. Things may be clear-cut as far as what you want and how you define “liberalism” and “conservatism” but the actual application of those ideologies has been anything but clear-cut.
I’m a lying troll.
For the record
ILLINOIS_CONSERV Thursday, October 30th at 11:09AM EDT (link)I did oppose the bailout. I think most conservatives have. If you want further descriptions of Socialism I submit-
Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved
Sound like anyone you know? I said that it is a slippery slope to go down that path. You already know the wealthiest pay the most tax percentage wise. You also know that the BHO/Biden ticket is all over the place as to who is “wealthy” and who isn’t.
Free market capitalism works. BHO has promised that 95% of working families will get a tax cut. I have read that 40-50% of those families pay nothing now. So essentially they will get a handout from the government. BHO rambles on about the deficit and yet he wants to give out checks to people who don’t pay a dime. How can this possibly be fair? It isn’t fair. We can’t afford it!
The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke