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Would Ron Paul Do This?

Happy Easter everyone! May the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ strengthen and preserve you all unto eternal life.

As a fundamentalist Christian Conservative I have severe problems with Romney as the Republican nominee – I think I’ve made that very clear in the past. I don’t really know at this point what I am going to do in November.  I am at my wit’s end and I cannot seem to find a path that is consistent with most of what I believe in.

And now there is THIS.

The letter, written by Justin Raimondo, one of Ron Paul’s leading sycophants, is a call for Paul to form a third party challenge for November. And his reason for calling for this?

“In short, Republicans need to be taught a lesson, one they will never forget. By disdaining the substantial and growing libertarian wing of the GOP, and ignoring the desire for peace on the part of the larger public, they have earned nothing but defeat.”

Wow!!  Taught a lesson for not listening to a real crackpot?????

But what is this really?  We hear that Mitt is attempting to negotiate with the Paulites as to what it would take to get them on board.  It has even been suggested that Rand Paul as the VP would be their just demand.  This is the Paul campaign shooting a cannonball over the Romney campaign to start negotiating in good faith with the Paul campaign – which is actually good news that perhaps Romney is not negotiating in good faith with them.

But in the event there is some truth to the effort now or in the future, let’s parse this a little.  Nationally, Paul is between 10 and 16%.  Meanwhile, Santorum is still garnering 26 to 31%,  Both candidates have suffered from the perception that it is time to get behind the eventual winner to defeat Obama.  So let’s just stipulate that these numbers now represent the TRUE BELIEVERS in each camp.  So, by almost every reasonable honest measure Paul’s support is half of Santorum’s.  Why would there be a need to woo the Paul supporters and not the Santorum supporters when we are twice as large?

There is only one conclusion that can be reached. If true it would mean that Romney ASSUMES we Conservatives will come out and vote for him regardless.  To put this to rest, we had better start hearing of some negotiations with the Santorum people and possibly even the placement of Santorum on the ticket.  I can’t imagine Rick being willing to do that, but perhaps he would.

(BTW: This is further evidence of just why Romney is completely the wrong choice.  We need someone that can unite the factions in the Republican Party – someone that everyone can enthusiastically support.  Romney loses on almost every score.)

If Romney takes our votes for granted and therefore thinks that he can negotiate with the Paulites, then we have a very serious problem.  IF that is the direction Romney goes then we will have to act.  We will have no choice but to call for a boycott or perhaps even run an alternative candidate of our own.  Of course it will mean defeat, but a Romney/Paul coalition would already have assured that.  We would have to show our true will-power by NOT voting.  Paraphrasing Justin Raimondo:

In short, Republicans would need to be taught a lesson, one they would never forget. By disdaining the substantial and growing fundamentalist christian wing of the GOP, and ignoring their desire for true progress on reversing Roe v. Wade, they would have earned nothing but defeat.

AND, before I hear it from you all: I do know that Ron Paul professes to be a pro-life candidate, but that isn’t true. He believes in liberty in all cases and that would include the liberty to abort innocent babies.

 

 

COMMENTS

  • conservativerock5

    Ever since 1988 Paul has been trying to work inside the party, and he wouldn’t blow it now.

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      in 2008 when he endorsed the leftist Cynthia McKinney as a third party run. That is a political sin that I find unforgivable.

      For that alone, if Paul was guilty of nothing else (like the racist newsletters), I would never trust him. And I rarely use the word never, but it applies in this case.

      • mikeymike143

        After Ron Paul got destroyed in the 2008 Republican presidential primary by John McCain, he showed his pettiness by refusing to endorse fellow Republican McCain, saying that

        • conservativerock5

          Ron Paul DID NOT endorse Cynthia McKinney.

          You can read Ron Paul’s own op-ed here: http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-23/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/

          As you can see, he clearly invited the 4 third party candidates to join his platform. Only one did, and that was Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.

          I expect more accuracy from you in the future.

      • conservativerock5

        He endorsed Chuck Baldwin, and never endorsed Cynthia McKinney.

        See my response below.

        I am not here to promote Paul in any way, shape, or form, but disinformation will not be tolerated.

  • okvoter

    You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about, nor what Ron Paul stands for. Check out his last appearance on The Tonight Show. He explains his stance on abortion and this made-up alliance with Romney, as well as a few other things. There are tons of videos, but that one is nice and easy to digest.

    I’ve never found it a good idea to speak for someone else, let alone someone I’ve never met, but if you must, you should at least have your facts straight. (Hint: Rumors made up by Rick Santorum are not facts.)

  • Scope

    RS does not support the calls for “any” third parties, no matter who is heading up the ticket. Oh, and Ron Paul came the closet recently in indicating that he will make a third party bid. The guy has one foot on the banana peel already, therefore he has nothing to lose.

  • mikeymike143

    and his weird cult followers are are anti israel , anti business and code pink lovers. they tend to vote democratic anyway, so if nutjob paul runs as a third party candidate he pulls more votes from obama than he does romney.

  • APA Guy

    I sometimes venture into KosKidsville to see what the enemy is thinking. I saw THIS comment in one of their diaries:

    Wonderwoman is me! (8+ / 0-)

    it’s the first post I’ve made there in many years, and now I can’t get back on the the site depite numerous tries. So it looks like I’ve been banned for that one statement.

    Thanks for letting me know a bit about the fate of my post, bc I have no clue….

    Love the irony of you finding and quoting the one post I’ve made in all these years.

    And I was reading the same article as you with the same interest in the comments, finding some of the pushback on the racist crazy a bit heartening at times.

    OTOH, the really, really insane commenting is going on on the Breitbrat sites right now. I think they’ve finally begun to try to do a bit of moderating, but their comments have inspired an incredible series of posts over at Little Green Footballs. LGF’s blogger is a reformed Repub, so he really knows what to look for, and isn’t afraid to hit it hard.

    Thanks for an interesting diary.

    Life is a school, Love is the lesson.

    by means are the ends on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 09:55:38 AM PDT

    http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1081652/45665251#c3?mode=alone;showrate=1#c3

    Evidently, “wonderwoman” was in the primary “Derbyshire” diary here stirring the pot. She was banned…and it now looks to be appropriate.

    Point is, 3rd party snots…kos kids…they’re needling into RedState trying to stir the pot. They know how well divide and conquer works. Let’s not take the bait…there is too much at stake this Nov.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “In short, Republicans would need to be taught a lesson, one they would never forget. By disdaining the substantial and growing fundamentalist christian wing of the GOP, and ignoring their desire for true progress on reversing Roe v. Wade, they would have earned nothing but defeat.”

    You have GOT to be kidding me.

    In the Presidential debates every single of the current candidates expressed the view that Roe v Wade should be overturned. EVERY ONE.

    It’s as if you haven’t listened AT ALL to the actual debate and actual campaigns.

    And I know you will claim Romney isnt prolife because of his history of holding the other position, but the funny thing is – GHWBush did the same thing. He flipped. And as President he delivered on his promises to be a prolife President. Romney will do the same, whether you believe it now or later when it happens.

    “I do know that Ron Paul professes to be a pro-life candidate, but that isn

  • natek58

    This is a WHAT IF statement. IF Romney bows to Ron Paul to the exclusion of the religious right it will be a serious mistake. IF THAT HAPPENS, then the other stuff follows. NOT OTHERWISE.

  • texastaxpayer

    Seems someone has their *facts* wrong….

  • aesthete

    Of all the political issues out there, I’d say that life issues and gun issues are the ones that Republicans are strongest and most consistent on. Exactly *how* is Roe v Wade supposed to be overturned without the SC Justices, hmm?

    Single Issues Values Voters have made absolute fools of themselves this election, as they do every election. I do wish that they’d refrain from dragging the whole social conservative movement into the mud with them.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    you are a poor excuse for a Christian, because you distrust everyone, and especially you distrust those who have come over to your side due to the persuasion of pro life arguments.

    So do you also treat new converts to Christianity with hate and distrust?

    Might I suggest that you do more praying and soul searching and less blogging.

  • westcoastpatriette

    that people — especially on the left — come here and say the most insulting things and then are perplexed when they get banned.

    Wonderwoman’s screed here yesterday was a condescending and insulting diatribe toward all of us moronic bigoted RSers. And she was shocked because “for some reason” she got banned? ROFL

  • APA Guy

    …or ANYONE who doesn’t hope in line with the far left’s position on women’s issues. This includes federal funding of abortions…which even most pro-abortion advocates have a bit of an issue with (They want it legal, but don’t want to pay for it).

    On an unrelated note, please stay tuned for my next diary in the week to follow. You won’t believe your eyes when you read what happened in several of the college classes I teach.

  • APA Guy

    nt

  • westcoastpatriette

    That’s what makes them fascinating to us conservatives. Jesus would have had fun with ‘em…”White-washed tombs full of dead men’s bones.”

  • natek58

    Poor excuse for a Christian? I don’t get it. Please explain how my saying I do not believe Ron Paul on the abortion issue indicates that I am a poor Christian?

    You can ignore the messenger and dismiss. I thought that I was calling attention to a potential problem that needs to be addressed before it is too late.

    Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse Me!!!!!

  • conservativerock5

    Ron Paul wrote a book in 1983 called “Abortion and Liberty” Here, you can read it:

    http://files.meetup.com/504095/Ron%20Paul-Abortion%20and%20Liberty.pdf

    Personally, I believe in liberty and am pro-life.

    They are not incompatible.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    issue of longstanding with him.. Or Romney either really.

    If people have come over to your way of thinking but you then do not want to give them any credit or trust, that is not only wrong, it is not wise.

  • texastaxpayer

    If Paul endorses Johnson upon exiting the GOP primary Johnson WILL inherit his supporters. I think Romney is rightly worried by that prospect as it destroys his chances at the whitehouse. Paul can pretty much demand anything he wants from Romney as long as he is holding this loaded gun. I personally think Paul’s supporters will move to Johnson anyway wants Paul drops out. But who knows perhaps Rand as VP would satisfy them enough to keep them from bailing. Time will tell I guess. But as Johnson is already on the ballots in all 50 states and polling nationally in the 7-9% range I think we should all get ready to see 3 podium’s at the presidential debates this fall. Disaster GOP……

  • mikeymike143

    and nobody is going to chooose either paul for anything. nutjob ron has the highest negatives of any candidate in the race and is also the only candidate was unable to win so much as a single state. LOL

  • conservativerock5

    He breaks with Ron Paul on the issues of immigration, abortion, and foreign policy. I disagree with Johnson on abortion; I am pro-life. I believe in immigration, but legally. Johnson supports amnesty. On foreign policy, I take a cost-benefit approach and dislike both the peaceniks and neocons. We must have a balanced and non-emotional, reasoned approach. Johnson is unclear on his foreign policy; it is cloudy.

    Generally he is very good but I would rather have him on the lower part of the ticket instead of the top.

    I love what he did as governor. Most vetos in history. He could deliver Romney New Mexico and a plethora of young voters if Romney invited him on the ticket.

  • texastaxpayer

    Is the point. According to gallop Paul is polling 11% nationwide right now. Are you saying Romney doesn’t need that 11% to win? Guess its my turn to *laugh out loud*… Further Obama is beating Romney 49% to 45% nationwide among registered voters. I would also point out that Gary Johnson has risen from 2% (higher than Huntsman at the time btw) to 7 in one poll and 9 in another with 76% of people polled unaware of who he is. If he gets Paul’s supporters and name recognition which I am sure team Obama will ensure between now and the debates. It’s pretty easy to see him reaching the 15% he needs to be included in the 3 presidential debates. If *when* that happens Romney is in serious trouble…. Goodbye Whitehouse.

  • acat

    Being savvy about where to insert his pork amendments is not a strong argument for him as a presidential candidate.

    Mew

  • Scope

    that posted a concern (troll) idea that the Ron Paul supporters were going to switch over to the Gary Johnson campaign, and of my, God Forbid, Holy Cow, Johnson will take enough votes away from the R nominee to swing the vote to Obama? Somewhere in that post you cited that Johnson was polling in the 9-10% range, yet I have yet to see any poll showing those results. Do you have any links to those polls showing those results?

  • texastaxpayer

    Just pointing a pretty glaring inaccuracy in someone’s statements. Away put your claws *he says mimicking yoda*

  • mikeymike143

    and didnt nutjob ron paul lose to fred karger in puerto rico? fred karger. LOL

    Ron Paul not only placed last in Sunday’s Puerto Rico primary, he lost to Fred Karger, the former actor and political consultant who has never before held elected office. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ron-paul-topped-ran-fred-karger-puerto-rican-153210979.html

  • texastaxpayer

    With the link in the post. As to concern troll…. If pointing out basic data is being a concern troll then send me the t-shirt and hat. Now if you would like to point to an intelligent verifiable reason you believe I am wrong I am all eyes. But name calling demonstrates nothing but your ignorance in my eyes.

    Just for grins where do you see those avid libertarians ending up? Big government lib 1 Obama, big government lib 2 Romney or you fill in the blank….

    According to gallup Paul is 11% right nationally now… Couple that with Obama winning at 49% with registered voters to Romney’s 45%….. I can see why you aren’t worried about a two term successful ex governor and businessman being in the field especially with Romney favorability rating south of 40%. But why don’t you lay it out for the readers so they can get the full effect of your brilliance….

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    than Santorum does of stopping Mitt.

  • texastaxpayer

    Next… While I know we usually let Puerto Rico determine our nominee… Let’s look at some other numbers from the last couple months…

    Date State Paul’s vote %
    04/03 DC 12.0%
    04/03 MD 9.5%
    04/03 WI 11.2%
    03/24 LA 6.1%
    03/20 IL 9.3%
    03/13 AL 5.0%
    03/13 HI 19.3%
    03/13 MS 4.4%
    03/10 KS 12.6%
    03/10 WY 12.2%
    03/06 AK 24.1%

    If Gary Johnson breaks 5% in any of these states the whitehouse is gone… It’s that simple..

    BTW this “unelectable loon who no one would vote for” has served in Congress three different periods: first from 1976 to 1977, after he won a special election, then from 1979 to 1985, and finally since 1997.

  • JSobieski

    a 3% share of the vote in a critical state is enough to change the outcome.

    Think Green Party in Florida, circa 2000.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Ignore him.

    Although generally speaking, Paul is a loon and then some. He’s also not a Republican. Left the Party formally in the mid-nineties and for who knows why was allowed back in the caucus. He’s also not endorsed a Republican Presidential nominee since at least Reagan who he spoke against.

    This has been beaten to death here both on 08 and this year, search Redstate for “Ron Paul” and you’ll get the flavor. In 08 his “supporters” were so bad they were banned on sight and while the policy was relaxed for a while, it’s still in place. And rightly so.

    With respect to Paul’s polling performance in the primaries, he’s always been a protest vote for all but a very small handful of core supporters. They should be freely ignored because if RP isn’t on the ballot they don’t show up and the rest vote Republican. The issue for Johnson won’t be winning over Paul voters, it will be winning over real libertarians – and Paul isn’t one of those either.

  • Scope

    shilling for a third party. You really never did fool the majority here. Hopefully the moderators will recognize your position here, and your posts will be seen as a “concern troll.” You’ve now crossed that line. But who am I too say.

  • texastaxpayer

    Since you should now realize I DIDN’T be big enough to apologize…

  • JSobieski

    Don’t sweat it.

    I am very much concerned with the scenario you paint, although hopefully team Romney is smart enough to see it too.

    Heck, it might keep Romney sounding more conservative during the campaign.

  • texastaxpayer

    nt..

  • aesthete

    has been relatively cordial to Ron Paul in the primaries — damage control.

    Romney is a craven and unconservative, but I don’t think anyone’s gonna accuse him of being dumb anytime soon.

  • acat

    (nothing further)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Frankly, if I knew you were a Paultard, I’d have dashed off an email to a moderator.

  • Scope

    but are you a Gary Johnson supporter?

  • texastaxpayer

    At this point I am not anyone’s supporter. Newt is the closest thing I have as a candidate. I despise Obama and I feel Romney is an outright liar only marginally better than the big O himself. Come November I will vote Republican in house,senate and state legislature races and for whoever has the best shot at defeating Obama on the top of the ticket. Period end of story. That is my position. If that doesn’t pass your litmus test frankly I don’t care.

  • lineholder

    libertarianrock5? Defensive on behalf of Ron Paul, even though you say you don’t support him. Backed him up on earmarks. Stated you support them, too, even though the way our government wastes money on trivial things is a down-right disgrace.

    Much the same on behalf of Gary Johnson. Sounds like you lean more Libertarian than Conservative.

  • conservativerock5

    But I did not want to get banned off the bat. Libertarian is really a buzz word around some people who do not understand what it means. Libertarianism derives from classical liberalism. I am a classical liberal. Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith, John Locke, Milton Friedman, F.A. Hayek etc. were classical liberals/libertarians.

    However, I am a cultural conservative(Christian, southern and family values) so my name is not that far off track.

    Also, I gave Ron Paul’s true position on earmarks. He is not hypocritical because he vocally supports earmarks. However I do support a ban, in contrast with him.

    I also stated my similarities and differences with Johnson.

  • Scope

    Haven’t seen you here in at least a few days. Have you been in exams?