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	<title>Comments on: How Important Was NY-23? Ask Bill Clinton</title>
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		<title>By: notreallyrepublican</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/natenelson/2009/11/10/how-important-was-ny-23-ask-bill-clinton/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>notreallyrepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There wasn't any. I'm not in VA, so your governors race, while great for you, didn't do much for me. The GOP letting 2 seats fade away in congress, however, does. That abomination of a 'health care' bill was made all the easier to get through. So sure, shout about beating the democrats all you want.

But conservatism is what I work for, and that got nowhere. It sickens me. We need to ditch the GOP once and for all. Get real conservatives in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There wasn&#8217;t any. I&#8217;m not in VA, so your governors race, while great for you, didn&#8217;t do much for me. The GOP letting 2 seats fade away in congress, however, does. That abomination of a &#8216;health care&#8217; bill was made all the easier to get through. So sure, shout about beating the democrats all you want.</p>
<p>But conservatism is what I work for, and that got nowhere. It sickens me. We need to ditch the GOP once and for all. Get real conservatives in office.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/natenelson/2009/11/10/how-important-was-ny-23-ask-bill-clinton/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, all of those Governors and down ballots races at the local level that shifted to the R after years of being controlled by the D's says absolutely nothing.  

As a resident of VA, I respectively disagree with your downplaying of the switch of the Governor, Lt. and Attorney to alll R's.  My delegate is replacing the Democrat incumbant, and Richmond republican majority increased by at least 6. 

Bummer dude, gee whiz we blow-sacarsm off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, all of those Governors and down ballots races at the local level that shifted to the R after years of being controlled by the D&#8217;s says absolutely nothing.  </p>
<p>As a resident of VA, I respectively disagree with your downplaying of the switch of the Governor, Lt. and Attorney to alll R&#8217;s.  My delegate is replacing the Democrat incumbant, and Richmond republican majority increased by at least 6. </p>
<p>Bummer dude, gee whiz we blow-sacarsm off.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/natenelson/2009/11/10/how-important-was-ny-23-ask-bill-clinton/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no turds were laid in this race.  You are a little wet behind the ears if you think that the vote in the House was not gerrymandered.  BTW, if Hoffman would have won and Cao voted against the bill the final vote count would have been 218-217 instead of 220-215.  So I am not seeing how even if scuzzy voted against it we would have stopped this.  

Come on man, use your head.  BTW, you're assuming that Pelosi was trying to pass the bill with limited amount of House members that would be hemmorraged in the next election.  I guarantee if we had both NY-23 (Hoffman) and CA-10 and Cao, the vote still would have been 218-217.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no turds were laid in this race.  You are a little wet behind the ears if you think that the vote in the House was not gerrymandered.  BTW, if Hoffman would have won and Cao voted against the bill the final vote count would have been 218-217 instead of 220-215.  So I am not seeing how even if scuzzy voted against it we would have stopped this.  </p>
<p>Come on man, use your head.  BTW, you&#8217;re assuming that Pelosi was trying to pass the bill with limited amount of House members that would be hemmorraged in the next election.  I guarantee if we had both NY-23 (Hoffman) and CA-10 and Cao, the vote still would have been 218-217.</p>
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		<title>By: notreallyrepublican</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/natenelson/2009/11/10/how-important-was-ny-23-ask-bill-clinton/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>notreallyrepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first things Owens (NY-23) and Garamendi (CA-10) did, literally their first actions as congresscritters after being sworn in, was vote for Pelosi's health care bill.

I like a Republican Governor as much as anyone else, but they don't get a vote in congress. Or the senate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first things Owens (NY-23) and Garamendi (CA-10) did, literally their first actions as congresscritters after being sworn in, was vote for Pelosi&#8217;s health care bill.</p>
<p>I like a Republican Governor as much as anyone else, but they don&#8217;t get a vote in congress. Or the senate.</p>
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		<title>By: notreallyrepublican</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/natenelson/2009/11/10/how-important-was-ny-23-ask-bill-clinton/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>notreallyrepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor's are great and all, but there were exactly 2 elections that mattered that day. NY-23, a recently republican district, and CA-10, which hadn't had anybody in it for half a year at that point.

And we laid a turd in both of those races. The (D)'s picked up 2 seats, one a switch, and the other for all intents and purposes a newly created district (as far as balance of power in the house goes, both sides dropped it from all whip/vote counts it had been empty for so long) 

The democrats whipped us good, and I'm  entirely convinced now it's because we're stuck with the GOP as a prom  date, when we should have stood tall, proud and conservative on our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor&#8217;s are great and all, but there were exactly 2 elections that mattered that day. NY-23, a recently republican district, and CA-10, which hadn&#8217;t had anybody in it for half a year at that point.</p>
<p>And we laid a turd in both of those races. The (D)&#8217;s picked up 2 seats, one a switch, and the other for all intents and purposes a newly created district (as far as balance of power in the house goes, both sides dropped it from all whip/vote counts it had been empty for so long) </p>
<p>The democrats whipped us good, and I&#8217;m  entirely convinced now it&#8217;s because we&#8217;re stuck with the GOP as a prom  date, when we should have stood tall, proud and conservative on our own.</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the dems shuffle people around to get the votes they need.
They would have made someone else walk the plank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the dems shuffle people around to get the votes they need.<br />
They would have made someone else walk the plank.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedoms Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/natenelson/2009/11/10/how-important-was-ny-23-ask-bill-clinton/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedoms Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it did matter. The Dems have had some tactical luck that is blinding them to their strategic error of over-reach. Hoffman would have made it a Trifecta and would have made the 'narrative' impossible to spin for Pelosi and Co.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it did matter. The Dems have had some tactical luck that is blinding them to their strategic error of over-reach. Hoffman would have made it a Trifecta and would have made the &#8216;narrative&#8217; impossible to spin for Pelosi and Co.</p>
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